Brother admits murdering model sister over "honor" lost to Facebook pics

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

ksazma posted:

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

Pakistan and muslims cannot enter 21st century if they are not willing separate religion and state  and to reform their holy book teaching that all infidel and even their own women are lesser creature that deserve death for non compliance with their rules of the holy book...

sachin_05 posted:

ksazma posted:

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

Pakistan and muslims cannot enter 21st century if they are not willing separate religion and state  and to reform their holy book teaching that all infidel and even their own women are lesser creature that deserve death for non compliance with their rules of the holy book...

Why do Muslims need to reform their holy book when it is the most modern of all holy books? If people of the much older holy books can live in the 21st century, what would preclude Muslims from doing so also? How do you explain that more than 95% of the world's Muslim population already live in the 21st century? Try engaging your brain whenever you try to think.

That guy is a coward to give his sister a sedative and then choke her while she was sleeping. Thank heavens our Muslim brother Sammy Baksh had an enlightened attitude towards his sister Dolly. 

ksazma posted:

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

They will claim religious justification for this.

This is what tribal Islam is about.

Hopefully as Caribbean Muslims turn themselves into Arabs, by wrapping themselves head to toe, in our hot and humid climate no less, they don't go full hog and adopt Middle Eastern/Southwest Asian tribal culture.

Such attire was designed for protection from the hot desert sun by a light skinned people who didn't have access to sun block lotions.   So what does it have to do with being a good Muslim?

Gilbakka posted:

That guy is a coward to give his sister a sedative and then choke her while she was sleeping. Thank heavens our Muslim brother Sammy Baksh had an enlightened attitude towards his sister Dolly. 

Unfortunately someone else found it necessary to murder her.

ksazma posted:

 

Why do Muslims need to reform their holy book when it is the most modern of all holy books? If people of the much older holy books can live in the 21st century, what would preclude Muslims from doing so also? How do you explain that more than 95% of the world's Muslim population already live in the 21st century? Try engaging your brain whenever you try to think.

What makes the Koran more holy than the Torah or the Bible.  These religions operate from the SAME principle.

But what I find funny about Muslims is that they correctly diagnose the hypocrisy of Christians and Jews, but find 200 excuses for Muslim terrorists.

Well when Bush invaded the wrong country and killed thousands and set up conditions that led to ISIS he was no more a Christian than this honor killing savage is a Muslim.

Muslims sin just as much as do Jews and Christians, so get over yourselves. Especially when the biggest crisis facing the world is the behavior of insane lunatics who claim inspiration by their incorrect interpretation of the Koran. And the core of this interpretation comes from certain madrasahs of Pakistan, Afghanistan as well as errant mosques in Europe.  Funded by thugs from Saudi Arabia.

95% of the Muslims do NOT live in the 21st century!  If this was the case then why is honor killing widespread throughout many Muslims lands? Even in the Philippines there are Muslim terror groups.  And Indonesia isn't immune either.   Again the tribal Muslims of Saudi Arabia fomenting mischief in that country.  Bangladesh isn't a pillar of modernity either.

http://www.indonesia-investmen...adical-islam/item245

And look at Nigeria.  Compare the modern (though violent and corrupt) majority Christian south with the violent and backward north where they have disease control issues because the imams tell the Muslim population that vaccinations are evil. And there is also the infamous Sharia law, where woman ACCUSED of having extra marital sex risks stoning.

The Boko Haram, using the Koran as their shield, engage in barbarity against Christians and moderate Muslims.

So cease with your rant that the Koran is the holiest book. It is no more holy than the Bible and Muslims are just as likely to be large scale sinners as those of any other religion.   And unlike other religions, they possess a lunatic fringe which uses the Koran as an excuse to do serious damage.

As Sparrow said "where you have church and state, is share vengeance and hate".

Thankfully Ted Cruz will not be president, or the USA would be just like those Muslims nations where church and state are entwined.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Why do Muslims need to reform their holy book when it is the most modern of all holy books? If people of the much older holy books can live in the 21st century, what would preclude Muslims from doing so also? How do you explain that more than 95% of the world's Muslim population already live in the 21st century? Try engaging your brain whenever you try to think.

What makes the Koran more holy than the Torah or the Bible.  These religions operate from the SAME principle.

 

 

Where in my post above did you see the claim that the Qur'an is more holy than the Torah or the Bible? I think you are losing your mind now bai.  

caribny posted:

As Sparrow said "where you have church and state, is share vengeance and hate".

Thankfully Ted Cruz will not be president, or the USA would be just like those Muslims nations where church and state are entwined.

Excellent. So you too agree that it is not only limited to Muslims and Islam.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

They will claim religious justification for this.

 

People make all kinds of claims. We claimed that Iraq had WMD also.

ksazma posted:

Gilbakka posted:

That guy is a coward to give his sister a sedative and then choke her while she was sleeping. Thank heavens our Muslim brother Sammy Baksh had an enlightened attitude towards his sister Dolly. 

Unfortunately someone else found it necessary to murder her.

That was not a so-called "honor killing." The point I'm illustrating is that Guyanese Muslim men do not kill their sisters who show independence of spirit. They are more enlightened than those backward fools in Pakistan.

Then why are many Guyanese Muslims want to be like Pakistani and ME Muslims?

Gilbakka posted:

ksazma posted:

Gilbakka posted:

That guy is a coward to give his sister a sedative and then choke her while she was sleeping. Thank heavens our Muslim brother Sammy Baksh had an enlightened attitude towards his sister Dolly. 

Unfortunately someone else found it necessary to murder her.

That was not a so-called "honor killing." The point I'm illustrating is that Guyanese Muslim men do not kill their sisters who show independence of spirit. They are more enlightened than those backward fools in Pakistan.

The point I am making is that I was not old enough to enjoy Dolly Baksh entertainment and if someone didn't kill her I may have had that opportunity.

Keep in mind that honor killing is not a Muslim thing only. Others do it also and it is still horrible.

Nehru posted:

Then why are many Guyanese Muslims want to be like Pakistani and ME Muslims?

Saudi marketing. Even the Pakistani are influenced by the Saudis.

ksazma posted:

Nehru posted:

Then why are many Guyanese Muslims want to be like Pakistani and ME Muslims?

Saudi marketing. Even the Pakistani are influenced by the Saudis.

I think people need to think for themselves.  No marketing in the World would make me want to be a Lawless Bihar Hindu.

Nehru posted:

I think people need to think for themselves.  No marketing in the World would make me want to be a Lawless Bihar Hindu.

I agree.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Why do Muslims need to reform their holy book when it is the most modern of all holy books? If people of the much older holy books can live in the 21st century, what would preclude Muslims from doing so also? How do you explain that more than 95% of the world's Muslim population already live in the 21st century? Try engaging your brain whenever you try to think.

What makes the Koran more holy than the Torah or the Bible.  These religions operate from the SAME principle.

 

 

Where in my post above did you see the claim that the Qur'an is more holy than the Torah or the Bible? I think you are losing your mind now bai.  

ksazma posted:

Nehru posted:

Then why are many Guyanese Muslims want to be like Pakistani and ME Muslims?

Saudi marketing. Even the Pakistani are influenced by the Saudis.

And here go non Arab Muslims accepting tribal Islam, therefore aiding and abetting those who peddle it as the "purest" form of Islam.

ksazma posted:

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Keep in mind that honor killing is not a Muslim thing only. Others do it also and it is still horrible.

Yes its the tribal Islam which uses a religious justification for honor killing.

And other Muslims don't loudly condemn this. You all modern Muslims really need to block these tribalists and stop taking their money.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

As Sparrow said "where you have church and state, is share vengeance and hate".

Thankfully Ted Cruz will not be president, or the USA would be just like those Muslims nations where church and state are entwined.

Excellent. So you too agree that it is not only limited to Muslims and Islam.

Yes, and in fact Christians ensure that there is no entwining of church and state.  Now it would be good if Muslims did the same thing.

So you can have your mosque in FL, whereas if I go to church in Pakistan serious injury, or even death, is a likelihood.  The  govt sanctions this by doing nothing about it.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Why do Muslims need to reform their holy book when it is the most modern of all holy books? If people of the much older holy books can live in the 21st century, what would preclude Muslims from doing so also? How do you explain that more than 95% of the world's Muslim population already live in the 21st century? Try engaging your brain whenever you try to think.

What makes the Koran more holy than the Torah or the Bible.  These religions operate from the SAME principle.

 

 

Where in my post above did you see the claim that the Qur'an is more holy than the Torah or the Bible? I think you are losing your mind now bai.  

 

Most modern means it is the newest. It is about 1500 years old. The New Testament is around 2000 years with the Old Testament going back some 6000 years. The Hindu scripture are about the same age as the Torah. I have to admit I didn't expect this display of weak comprehension or knowledge of the world's major holy books from you.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

"I was determined either to kill myself or kill her," Azeem told The Associated Press as he was being led away.

He definitely chose the wrong and cowardly option.

Regarding the other cases mentioned above, Pakistan really need to enter the 20th century quickly and then move rapidly to the 21st.

They will claim religious justification for this.

This is what tribal Islam is about.

Hopefully as Caribbean Muslims turn themselves into Arabs, by wrapping themselves head to toe, in our hot and humid climate no less, they don't go full hog and adopt Middle Eastern/Southwest Asian tribal culture.

Such attire was designed for protection from the hot desert sun by a light skinned people who didn't have access to sun block lotions.   So what does it have to do with being a good Muslim?

Correct!

caribny posted:

So you can have your mosque in FL, whereas if I go to church in Pakistan serious injury, or even death, is a likelihood.  The  govt sanctions this by doing nothing about it.

That is not my problem. I live here in America. You can go change things in Pakistan if you so desire. I don't even care to change anything in Guyana where I am from, why would I lose sleep over Pakistan which I only know from a world map? You can lose sleep, gripe, complain or weep as much as you want. I don't have time for all the problem of the world.

ksazma posted:

 

 

Most modern means it is the newest. It is about 1500 years old. The New Testament is around 2000 years with the Old Testament going back some 6000 years. The Hindu scripture are about the same age as the Torah. I have to admit I didn't expect this display of weak comprehension or knowledge of the world's major holy books from you.

1.  the Koran is almost as ancient as the  New Testament, so to claim it as more modern is stretching it.  Its like making a deal that a 92 year old is younger than a 100y/o.

2. Your implication that the Koran is the "most modern" and therefore cannot be changed suggests that you claim it to be the "holiest" as it is a new and improved version.

If you didn't imply that the Koran is a better version then why the comparison with the other two?

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

Such attire was designed for protection from the hot desert sun by a light skinned people who didn't have access to sun block lotions.   So what does it have to do with being a good Muslim?

Correct!

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions. Plus Carib probably still wear his dashiki anyway.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

So you can have your mosque in FL, whereas if I go to church in Pakistan serious injury, or even death, is a likelihood.  The  govt sanctions this by doing nothing about it.

That is not my problem. I live here in America.

And you ought to thank God that even the Christians who don't like Muslims don't set out to destroy them as happens to Christians in most modern lands.

Nehru posted:

ksazma posted:

Nehru posted:

Then why are many Guyanese Muslims want to be like Pakistani and ME Muslims?

Saudi marketing. Even the Pakistani are influenced by the Saudis.

I think people need to think for themselves.  No marketing in the World would make me want to be a Lawless Bihar Hindu.

Many don't think for themselves!  And you must bear in mind, Muslims societies are generally less tolerant than other societies.  The only Muslim majority societies where I experienced tolerance was in Malaysia and Indonesia!

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Most modern means it is the newest. It is about 1500 years old. The New Testament is around 2000 years with the Old Testament going back some 6000 years. The Hindu scripture are about the same age as the Torah. I have to admit I didn't expect this display of weak comprehension or knowledge of the world's major holy books from you.

1.  the Koran is almost as ancient as the  New Testament, so to claim it as more modern is stretching it.  Its like making a deal that a 92 year old is younger than a 100y/o.

2. Your implication that the Koran is the "most modern" and therefore cannot be changed suggests that you claim it to be the "holiest" as it is a new and improved version.

If you didn't imply that the Koran is a better version then why the comparison with the other two?

Now I know that you have completely lost your mind. Let me try to break it down for you.

1. The Qur;an is definitely not as ancient as the New Testament. There are like 600 years between them. 600 years is definitely not the same as 6 years. Only Adam and Noah I think live for more than 600 years whereas like a gazillion people have lived for 6, 94 or 100 years.

2.  I did not say that it cannot be changed nor did I say that it is the holiest. I stated that it does not need to be changed because the others didn't need to be changed for their adherents to be modernized. Well not in as many words but you forced me to break it down for you.

The last comment is proof positive that you are losing it.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

So you can have your mosque in FL, whereas if I go to church in Pakistan serious injury, or even death, is a likelihood.  The  govt sanctions this by doing nothing about it.

That is not my problem. I live here in America.

And you ought to thank God that even the Christians who don't like Muslims don't set out to destroy them as happens to Christians in most modern lands.

 

I don't have to thank anyone bai. I came here as a immigrant and if I had chosen to just be a slacker, I would have nothing or no life. Even in Christian great America, there are many people sleeping under bridges. I am not there because I did what is necessary to not be there. I don't thank anyone for that, Christian or not.

caribny posted:

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

Correct, Shalwar is an Indian Muslim wear!  Why the rush to embrace Arab wear is strange.  Also, Iranian Muslims don't dress like Saudis.  And Iranians treat their females much better and pushing them in higher education such as medicine and teaching, and they are allowed to drive!

I don't understand why Muslims in Guyana and other places, including the followers of Louis Farakhaan, embrace the medieval and backward Islamic beliefs and practices of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

caribny posted:

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

That is their choice. Guyana is a free country. I personally don't wear Arab or Indian clothes. I wear suits, dress shirts and slacks or polo shirts and jeans. And I like wearing Clarks. But I am not losing sleep on what others do. I prefer to spend my time not being miserable.

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

Correct, Shalwar is an Indian Muslim wear!  Why the rush to embrace Arab wear is strange.  Also, Iranian Muslims don't dress like Saudis.  And Iranians treat their females much better and pushing them in higher education such as medicine and teaching, and they are allowed to drive!

I don't understand why Muslims in Guyana and other places, including the followers of Louis Farakhaan, embrace the medieval and backward Islamic beliefs and practices of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

Saudi marketing bai. All those religious scholars went back to Guyana with their fancy recitation and preaching and it impressed many who want to be like them. Just like how so many want to be like Mike. They don't see the medieval and backward teachings you mentioned. They hear the wonderful stories of saints of yore and long to be there.

Notice how Carib excluded my comment about the dashiki?

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

That is their choice. Guyana is a free country. I personally don't wear Arab or Indian clothes. I wear suits, dress shirts and slacks or polo shirts and jeans. And I like wearing Clarks. But I am not losing sleep on what others do. I prefer to spend my time not being miserable.

I know many Muslims like that, but they got their wives and daughters to cover from head to toe!

ksazma posted:

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

 

Don't let Carib influence you bai. Indians worldwide still wear their saris, shalwar and kamees at religious and cultural functions.

So why do Guyanese Muslims want to dress like Arabs when they have their own traditions?

Correct, Shalwar is an Indian Muslim wear!  Why the rush to embrace Arab wear is strange.  Also, Iranian Muslims don't dress like Saudis.  And Iranians treat their females much better and pushing them in higher education such as medicine and teaching, and they are allowed to drive!

I don't understand why Muslims in Guyana and other places, including the followers of Louis Farakhaan, embrace the medieval and backward Islamic beliefs and practices of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

Saudi marketing bai. All those religious scholars went back to Guyana with their fancy recitation and preaching and it impressed many who want to be like them. Just like how so many want to be like Mike. They don't see the medieval and backward teachings you mentioned. They hear the wonderful stories of saints of yore and long to be there.

Notice how Carib excluded my comment about the dashiki?

Terror marketing.  Still medievalist!  The House if Saud needs to be brought down.

Trump's model to take their oil and let them have the rest of the desert might be the only choice.  Then we give them money from the funds for living and monitor where it goes!

ba$eman posted:

I know many Muslims like that, but they got their wives and daughters to cover from head to toe!

Or their wives and daughters chose to cover from head to toe themselves. Women are not immune to influence so they too can be beholden by the stories of the saints of old. 

ksazma posted:

ba$eman posted:

I know many Muslims like that, but they got their wives and daughters to cover from head to toe!

Or their wives and daughters chose to cover from head to toe themselves. Women are not immune to influence so they too can be beholden by the stories of the saints of old. 

Stop making excuses.  They cover like that in public, then rip it off to go to parties and clubs.  They do it to not gave their father/brother angst!

ba$eman posted:

Terror marketing.  Still medievalist!  The House if Saud needs to be brought down.

Trump's model to take their oil and let them have the rest of the desert might be the only choice.  Then we give them money from the funds for living and monitor where it goes!

I am not so sure about terror marketing. Outside of the Bin Laden bunch responsible for 9/11, not many if any of the terrorist actions over the past I don't know how long were by Saudis. It have been more the other countries of the Middle East and Asia. A puritanical approach to Islam, yes. Terror, I am not sure.

Trump is still an idiot. He still don't know if he wants Pence to be his running mate. He thought that Alaska is too far a travel for Sara Palin t get to Cleveland when she was the only one by his side when no one else outside of the fringes of America would dare be seen near him.

Trump seeking to take their oil without paying for it is perfectly in line with how he acquired everything else that he possess. He buys them on credit and then files bankruptcy so he doesn't have to pay for them. I am not surprised that he thinks he can take Mexico's money and Saudi's oil illegally.