You're not getting it. I am not coming after anybody. Somebody pelt yuh, by all means pelt back a bigger brick. I hold mothers as sacred.

GTAngler posted:

You're not getting it. I am not coming after anybody. Somebody pelt yuh, by all means pelt back a bigger brick. I hold mothers as sacred.

That's good for you. I play by my own rules.

Mars posted:

GTAngler posted:

You're not getting it. I am not coming after anybody. Somebody pelt yuh, by all means pelt back a bigger brick. I hold mothers as sacred.

That's good for you. I play by my own rules.

Bana, play on. I know meh lil Ancient Roman Mythology. I ent messin wid nobaddy named after the god of war

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

What do you mean how much you can trust the news media?  You cutting and pasting from that same news media every single freaking daaaaaaayyyyy!!!!!

I does read all and pick the article from the waan that sounds the most truthful.

You ever thought of switching to other reading material like Cosmopolitan magazine?

waan waan time does go to see the real ones here,some good places with all sizes and shades.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Another Indian formed a company,the acronym QAII,Guyanese believed it's a foreign company investing their $$ in the country,which is not true,got huge contracts and became a multi-billionaire,one of the reasons kick backs to Government officials.

Post the evidence, the hard fact, not rumour. Let this discussion be evidence based.

this is the first I have heard that people thought that QA11 was a foreign company. By the way, the land they bought was was offered for sale in the newspaper and there was not a single bid, until it was readvertised and QA11 made a successful bid.

That company got Multi billion dollars drug contracts from the gov't.

When i was there a while back,there was some political discussion ,one guy mentioned it's a foreign company.

That is the evidence? Give me a r break. Receiving numerous contracts does not make it corrupt. You live abroad, you have tge same argument for companies that receive government contracts in the US?

 

You are surely in denial,

that company got the most contracts for drug supply and the CEO is a friend of Jagdeo.

You are urinating against the wind when you accuse me of denial. My point is that if you are going to post something, let it be fact based. Do not accuse people of being in denial because you cannot prove your assertions.  Do not just go on gut instincts because we all know what emantes from the guts.  

From what I understand, there is a tender board through which contracts are awarded. In the case of drugs, I understand that there was a procedure for vetting which company will be qualified to participate in supplying pharmaceutical. 

For you to prove the point you are trying to make, you have to show a situation where Jagdeo directly intervened in the process to ensure that a particular person or company gets a contract and that contract was exhorbitant and that contract was in excess of the offer by other companies bidding. Just go through one example for me! 

Mars, thanks for mentioning the number of East Indians as ambassadors. A thread in the tapestry of reality. Awaiting the others to provide more so we can get a complete and accurate picture.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Jagdeo is not a racist.  And as FC pointed out, many Guyanese living in Guyana are not racist.  GNI has taken roots in racism.  It promotes racism and lies to undermine the credibility of many good people.

He can be credited for assisting majority his kind and a few blacks to enrich themselves form the Government coffers.

Hey jango, please post the hard numbers, how many jobs did he create directly and indirectly and what percentage were Indo Guyanese and what were the ethnic composition of the others who benefitted directly or indirectly from the Jagdeo government.

I have this feeling you are in denial,that friends and families of the PPP didn't benefited during Jagdeo era,look around you will see who they are.

By the way does Guyana have any recorded stats??

It is not a matter of denial. If someone says something, let them provide the data, let the discussion be fact based. Too often, unsupported statements gather a life of their own with no validation of their authenticity.

regarding recorded facts, I think that there is a Statistical  Bureau.

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Another Indian formed a company,the acronym QAII,Guyanese believed it's a foreign company investing their $$ in the country,which is not true,got huge contracts and became a multi-billionaire,one of the reasons kick backs to Government officials.

Post the evidence, the hard fact, not rumour. Let this discussion be evidence based.

this is the first I have heard that people thought that QA11 was a foreign company. By the way, the land they bought was was offered for sale in the newspaper and there was not a single bid, until it was readvertised and QA11 made a successful bid.

That company got Multi billion dollars drug contracts from the gov't.

When i was there a while back,there was some political discussion ,one guy mentioned it's a foreign company.

That is the evidence? Give me a r break. Receiving numerous contracts does not make it corrupt. You live abroad, you have tge same argument for companies that receive government contracts in the US?

 

Let me interject here. He was corrupt as skunk. The evidence of crony capitalism is overwhelming. This fellow passed off to his "friend" millions in sole sourcing and on top of that give him juicy property options. He was paid some 14 thousand US a month to deliver satellite service for distance learning in  the interior and that was spotty as hell and not worth a 6 dollar DVD. Meanwhile, NCN had the equipment in storage in their office. Add to that the nations money used to build the Berbice river bridge and these bitches squatting on it and getting fat.Note he got hand delivered a five million contract days before the election and that is still to be delivered as commented on in the press. To sententiously demand "evidence" in the presenc of overwhelming crony capitalism is an insult.

Note the yapping here on this thread about grand theft by Miss Lawrence. I surmise that what went on there with her  is untoward and needs investigating because it reeks of a quid quo pro on the surface. Her explanation that it is not here doing and that the four contracts came from underlings speak of incompetence not theft yet she is called a out as such.  The reality is that she is being tarred and feathered and all sorts of malevolent name calling with nary a complaint about evidence yet you discount the long list of obvious cronyism entertained by Jagdeo and Ramotar with this very company by bobby the boob and that is only one instance of a serial pattern of crookedness from the kelptocratic PPP

BTW, we are stuck with 35 million in loans from the incompetent handling of the cable contract so Alex was working for the Government or Vishal would be stuck with the loan.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

What do you mean how much you can trust the news media?  You cutting and pasting from that same news media every single freaking daaaaaaayyyyy!!!!!

I does read all and pick the article from the waan that sounds the most truthful.

You ever thought of switching to other reading material like Cosmopolitan magazine?

Trying to pass on your heavy reading habits to him? Day after day you are here implying the gentleman is some sort of awful dunce when the very act of doing speaks to a desperate meanness if not somewhat slow in the head.  He knows tech so he cannot be a doddering fool. He writes better than Nehru and Nehru has a PhD he cannot be a fool. He may not have gone to Queens college in GY or in Queens but he is is competent to speak to our political concerns where not much academic competency is necessary since most of the players there like Ms Lawrence or Gail or Rohee are not genius caliber and they held our high office. If you think he is a dummy, assault his errors with your cutting edge analysis. Otherwise, chill with the insults.

Zed posted:

Mars, thanks for mentioning the number of East Indians as ambassadors. A thread in the tapestry of reality. Awaiting the others to provide more so we can get a complete and accurate picture.

There was testimony in the Jagdeo vs Kissoon case to the effect that there were no Black Guyanese ambassadors representing Guyana. You must have missed it conveniently. How is that possible if not for institutional racism being practiced by Jagdeo? And then that fool Luncheon goes on to explain that there were no Black Guyanese who were qualified to be ambassadors.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...ervice-appointments/

Many of the new appointees serve to debunk Head of the Presidential Secretariat Dr Luncheon’s statement made in open court last year that the absence of African Guyanese as ambassadors of Guyana was not due to racism but to the fact that no Guyanese Africans are qualified to be ambassadors of Guyana. Luncheon had made the statement while testifying in the $10 million libel suit filed by former president Bharrat Jagdeo against Kaieteur News and its columnist Freddie Kissoon.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....court-battle-begins/

Freddie vs Jagdeo court battle begins - Court told Ambassadors, heads of key state agencies all Indians - Luncheon claims Govt. impartial
AUGUST 20, 2011 | BY KNEWS | FILED UNDER NEWS
By Latoya Giles

The highly published and much anticipated court battle – President Bharrat Jagdeo vs. Kaieteur News Columnist Frederick Kissoon – got underway yesterday with Head of the Presidential Secretariat Dr Roger Luncheon being the first person called to give evidence in chief. The Head of State is suing Kissoon and National Media and Publishing Company, publishers of Kaieteur News, and Editor-in-Chief Adam Harris for over $10M, claiming libel in one of Kissoon’s daily columns last year.


Freddie Kissoon

The matter is being heard before Justice Brassington Reynolds. Yesterday Kissoon’s legal team comprising prominent lawyers Nigel Hughes, Christopher Ram and Khemraj Ramjattan were present. Meanwhile the state was represented by attorneys at law Anil Nandlall, Jaya Manickchand, Bibi Shaddick, Sase Gunraj. As the proceedings started yesterday Dr Luncheon was examined by attorney at law Anil Nandlall. Despite carrying a walking stick, the witness had to be helped into the area of the witness box and was allowed to be cross-examined outside of the box while sitting on a chair provided by the court.

As reporters struggled to listen to the proceedings, due to the noise made by the traffic outside and the construction that is being done at High Court, the matter commenced with Dr Luncheon being asked about his opinion of the article. He answered that the article intended to confuse the readers about the position of His Excellency President Bharrat Jagdeo held, with regards to Afro-Guyanese. It was also stated that the article attempted to place the President as a racist, which was put forward by Nandlall. As regards the article, which was titled as “King Kong sent his goons to disrupt the conference”, Dr Luncheon in responding to questions by Nandlall said that in his opinion “King Kong” referred to the president.

Luncheon was asked by the lawyer about how many persons within the Government are non-Indians and still held positions in it. Nandlall then asked Dr. Luncheon to call out the persons within the government who are non-Indians. This was done. The article in question was then tendered into evidence by Nandlall. Defence Counsel Nigel Hughes then began cross-examining the witness.


Frederick Kissoon (partly hidden, second from left) listens as his attorneys discuss the matter after the proceedings had concluded.

The first question the witness was asked was about the ethnicity of persons who headed a majority of the Government agencies and state institutions, and held all the ambassadorial positions. Hughes called out a list of over 41 persons who are all of Indian ethnicity who hold these positions, to which Luncheon admitted during his evidence in chief. These persons included Commissioner of the Guyana Revenue Authority Khurshid Sattaur; Chief Executive Officer of the GPHC; Michael Khan; Heads of GuySuCo, GPL, GWI, Guyoil, the Civil Service, NCN, GINA, CANU, the New GMC, EPA, NARI; Forestry Commission, Civil Aviation, Cheddi Jagan International Airport, Privatization Committee, the Judiciary, the Magistracy, the Director of Public Prosecutions, High Court Registrar, Auditor-General, GOINVEST, All Service Commissions …the list went on.

Attorney at law Anil Nandlall then objected to the line of questioning that the defence was taking. He said that the justification had not been properly or legally pleaded which is required by the rules of plead, for it to be available as defence of the libel. Nandlall told the court that Hughes could not continue that line of questioning because it was not included in the plea of justification. The judge then informed Nandlall that he saw nothing wrong with the line of questioning and the stage hasn’t been reached to decide on justification, but Nandlall asked the court to allow time to introduce authorities to buttress his point.

Defence attorney Hughes then addressed the court and explained that what the defence was doing was basic to law – questioning a witness based on the testimony that came out of the witness’ mouth. He told the judge this was far from the argument of justification, and was in fact a fundamental right in a court of law. He said that the defence put questions to Luncheon based on what Luncheon told the court and that was the basic right of any defence, the question of the plea of justification did not arise. The judge then gave Nandlall the afternoon session to submit his authorities.

On resumption, Nandlall contended that in a plea of justification, there must be a set pattern to follow and the defence did not do so.
In reply, Hughes contended that Nandlall was dealing with frivolities and not substance. He cited the position of the Caribbean Court of Justice that says that it is not presentation that matters but substance. He then went through paragraph by paragraph to show that his line of questioning was in fact based on his original plea of justification. Attorney Khemraj Ramattan dismissed Nandlall’s argument by saying that Nandlall wanted to have the current evidence presented in the original plea of justification. Citing authorities, he said justification can be broad and it would not be strategic for a defence to put in the plea of justification the evidence they have.

Using the defence plea of justification, he said that it is sufficient, but what Nandlall wants are all the research of Kissoon and all the documents the defence have, to have been included in the plea of justification. He explained that in such a case, a plea of justification will be about one hundred pages. The judge will rule next Wednesday if Hughes will be allowed to cross-examine Luncheon on the number of East Indians in the hierarchy of the state structures.

President Jagdeo has claimed that the article suggests that he is a racist and that “by extension, the State and Government of Guyana, practise racism as an ideology, dogma, philosophy and policy.” The president had told the media that he was looking forward to the “wonderful day” in court when Kissoon will have to prove that he, Jagdeo, is a racist and that his government’s policy has its origin in racism. Yesterday as the matter was adjourned several government ministers – Robert Persaud, Priya Manickchand, Irfaan Ali and Pauline Sukhai – were present to lend support.

So Zed, what is your conclusion? Burnham and the PNC were/are racists and Jagdeo and the PPP are not. Burnham did maginalze Indians based the bound volumes of evidence you have in your poession and Jagdeo and PPP did not marginalize blacks. 

You are trying to be cute but you are a fraud. Gwan dah side!!!!

Bibi Haniffa posted: According to the words of John F. Kennedy, "Cheddi Jagan is a stupid man."

 

Source? In any case, smartman Kennedy got himself killed only two years after allegedly making that pronouncement. On the other hand, "stupid man" Jagan lived to observe 32 anniversaries of Kennedy's death and to get an apology from Kennedy adviser Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. Who had the last laugh, smartypants?

Looks like both PNC and PPP practiced racism? This is no surprise thought as the real truth may lie somewhere in between. Party affiliation is being confused with racism. Blacks are affiliated with the PNc and Indians with the PPP. Both parties put a few tokens in to make up the status quo and then scream racism against each other. 

Gilbakka posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted: According to the words of John F. Kennedy, "Cheddi Jagan is a stupid man."

 

Source? In any case, smartman Kennedy got himself killed only two years after allegedly making that pronouncement. On the other hand, "stupid man" Jagan lived to observe 32 anniversaries of Kennedy's death and to get an apology from Kennedy adviser Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. Who had the last laugh, smartypants?

Kennedy actually referred to Jagan as a "Naïve Marxist".

D2, thanks for your interjection.  other than the issue with the GLC., I have said the same things in the past. I am not a supporter of any party nor have I ever met Jagdeo. However, I am raising questions, as I have been challenged to show the evidence, data, to follow the process to its logical conclusion.

regarding the Learning Channel, the decision was made my the Board, Ms. Roth and the Minister of Education because of the inability of CNN to provide the service. None in that decision knew otherwise.

I have already mentioned the issue of the Sanaa land. 

Please show me the evidence where he intervened to enrich himself. Yes, we all know about PRadoville 1 &2.  Let irfan or whom so ever, say who ordered them to develop PRadoville. I have not heard of any official from the ministry of health or the GPH or the Tender board stating that Jagdeo intervened in the procurement process. With the Berbice bridge, through the news report, I understand that there was intervention to secure funding for the bridge. Did the Bridge and the owners make any profit as yet? I really do not know. Many here have been posting what a bad deal it was for the NIS to invest in it.

yes, we all know that some businessmen and Jagdeo are friends and that under his government  companies, including his friends received concessions. Please name one country in this world that does not give concessions  to encourage investment and economic activity. Also, please name one country where the head of state or top officials do not have close relations with top business persons.

my point is and remains -show me the concrete evidence, show me how he used the process or set up procedures to benefit himself. My intent is not to defend Jagdeo, not to close my eyes to excesses. It is to really get people here to be fact based, to question assertions.

FC posted:

So Zed, what is your conclusion? Burnham and the PNC were/are racists and Jagdeo and the PPP are not. Burnham did maginalze Indians based the bound volumes of evidence you have in your poession and Jagdeo and PPP did not marginalize blacks. 

You are trying to be cute but you are a fraud. Gwan dah side!!!!

Please see my post to Mars regarding his post. It is one piece one thread. Provide some other for me so that I can have a better picture if what has been touted. One tree does not a forest make.

At my age, I cannot "cute" any more. 

Zed posted:

D2, thanks for your interjection.  other than the issue with the GLC., I have said the same things in the past. I am not a supporter of any party nor have I ever met Jagdeo. However, I am raising questions, as I have been challenged to show the evidence, data, to follow the process to its logical conclusion... me how he used the process or set up procedures to benefit himself. My intent is not to defend Jagdeo, not to close my eyes to excesses. It is to really get people here to be fact based, to question assertions.

From church mice to fat cat is good enough for me. He never made more than a good Mikeydees manager but he sports loud loot. I wonder what does 20 containers of swag from his friend in queens buy? I do not care to argue the integrity of this man. That is a foregone conclusion.

GTAngler posted:

Cheddi was a trusting man. As per a CIA evaluation of the situation in Guyana, Janet Jagan was the communist. She was part of the communist party here in the United States and was under close scrutiny. She couldn't cut it here so she went to Guyana. I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me but she should have been HUNG.

Yeah, right! Hung on a bamboo fishing rod! 

Seriously, we must not take things for granted. Thousands of Guyanese have reasons to be grateful to Jagan for having a positive impact on their lives. Up to the early 1950s the overwhelming majority of East Indian parents did not send their daughters to secondary schools. After primary school, the girl was put on the marriage market. Janet Jagan travelled up and down the villages and estates, urging those parents to give their girl children high-school education and let them enter the job market. Her PPP government built secondary schools in rural areas, charging low tuition fees compared to the Georgetown school fees. This enabled thousands of Indo girls to accomplish secondary school training with opportunities for further education at the PPP-founded University of Guyana and other such institutions.

Also, up to the mid-1950s any married or unmarried female civil servant who got pregnant had to resign. As Minister of Labour, Health and Housing 1957-1961, Janet Jagan got the civil service rules changed so that working women could not only keep their jobs after making babies but also get paid maternity leave.

For those two reasons alone, I contend that Janet Jagan was not a candidate for HANGING.

Zed posted:

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Appears you want to silence individuals,if they prove a theory with the limited information.

GTAngler posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted: According to the words of John F. Kennedy, "Cheddi Jagan is a stupid man."

 

Source? In any case, smartman Kennedy got himself killed only two years after allegedly making that pronouncement. On the other hand, "stupid man" Jagan lived to observe 32 anniversaries of Kennedy's death and to get an apology from Kennedy adviser Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. Who had the last laugh, smartypants?

Kennedy actually referred to Jagan as a "Naïve Marxist".

Thank yuh, sah! Me read dat too.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Appears you want to silence individuals,if they prove a theory with the limited information.

Please educate me on how you can accurately prove a theory with limited or/and questionable information.

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Appears you want to silence individuals,if they prove a theory with the limited information.

Please educate me on how you can accurately prove a theory with limited or/and questionable information.

Have you dabble in Science ??

I am in the tech field fixed a lot of stuff daily with limited information.

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Appears you want to silence individuals,if they prove a theory with the limited information.

Please educate me on how you can accurately prove a theory with limited or/and questionable information.

Theories are not proved but validated because they anticipate outcomes and their value to us is how well what they predict is observed using their generalizations as a guide line. In social science these generalizations are based on normative expectations.

We expect a man to marry by age 35  and have babies. If he is not married by fifty and have no evidence that such bonds will be formed one begins to speculate based on the normative conditions. If one sees him hugging a man one says "a ha", an understanding.

Theories in science and social science are seeking facts and not truths etched in stone. 99% of they time they will be right. If failure rate exceeds a certain sigma value one then thinks it has failed and one has to make new generalizations. That is how science and society pursue facts and by which they are transformed.

Here the generalization is that if one makes a specific salary and even if one is an investment maven, there is a finite amount of cash one would accrue given a specific time. If one exceeds those normative expectations one is within reason to speculate.

If that person begins to flout serious cash, if his company loses lots of money or wastes it on poor judgement and useless projects   one intuitively understands something is amiss. Other forms of scrutiny comes into play, who are his friends and associates and are they on the same trajectory...mice to fat cats! If they are then one is within reason to say over there are a bunch of crooks.  

FC posted:

Surprised you did not blurt out the N word.  You seem to get an orgasim when you do.

I can coin many words with the acronym FC. Haul you ugly ass dah side.

D2 posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Not much there,have noticed recently it's updated with current records.

Difficult to get info on Guyana,one has to depend on the news media,how much can you trust their information each have an agenda,guess that is how third world countries operate,the corruption level is very high in these countries.

So all these statements you have been making are based on questionable statistics? Well. You need to state this proviso when you make categorical statements and you need to review and report on the ones you have made ppreviously. Lol

Appears you want to silence individuals,if they prove a theory with the limited information.

Please educate me on how you can accurately prove a theory with limited or/and questionable information.

Theories are not proved but validated because they anticipate outcomes and their value to us is how well what they predict is observed using their generalizations as a guide line. In social science these generalizations are based on normative expectations.

 

We expect a man to marry by age 35  and have babies. If he is not married by fifty and have no evidence that such bonds will be formed one begins to speculate based on the normative conditions. If one sees him hugging a man one says "a ha", an understanding.

 

Theories in science and social science are seeking facts and not truths etched in stone. 99% of they time they will be right. If failure rate exceeds a certain sigma value one then thinks it has failed and one has to make new generalizations. That is how science and society pursue facts and by which they are transformed.

Here the generalization is that if one makes a specific salary and even if one is an investment maven, there is a finite amount of cash one would accrue given a specific time. If one exceeds those normative expectations one is within reason to speculate.

If that person begins to flout serious cash, if his company loses lots of money or wastes it on poor judgement and useless projects   one intuitively understands something is amiss. Other forms of scrutiny comes into play, who are his friends and associates and are they on the same trajectory...mice to fat cats! If they are then one is within reason to say over there are a bunch of crooks.  

All of your explanation does not answer my question to Django. One can say that they are a bunch of crooks, but you have not proved it. That is the bottom line. Take that line to a court of law and they will laugh you out of the court.

Please tell me the finite amount of cash/net wealth that Jagdeo has so we can calculate the variance between what he has earned from salary, investment, tax free allowances and other forms of income, expenses so we can accurately determine if it is possible for him to legally acquire that wealth. The only serious cash he has sprouted, as far as I know is to build his houses. Maybe You have a better idea of how much he has been spending or how much he is worth.  I think somewhere in one of the newspaper some time ago, it was reported he received lots of stuff from Ed Ahmad. He made quite a sum, it was reported  from the sale of his first house.

i have heard lots of stories about him benefitting from deals. Some of these were from persons I have complete trust in. I wonder why the coalition govt. has not  moved against him except in the case of the PRadoville house, and from what I understand, the case is not a "slam dunk" In one of his weekly interview, the president said that the evidence for conviction is not there.

My only intent in this long discussion is to keep things fact based, not to defend Jagdeo.

Zed you are talking nonsense and you are trying to be clever.  I will indulge you a while longer. Do you have evidence on everything that you are commenting on? No. Evidence takes many forms. Oral evidence which has been attested to those present when he said PPP is a collie party, published reports in the media reports, public records etc.  A lot evidence exits which has not been disputed and challenged in the courts.  That in itself is evidence if it goes unchallenged.

There are many ways you can hide the money trail such as off book accounting.  It takes time and a lot of forensics to analyze what took place. So you are ignorant of how this work has to be done. Yet you bray like the other apologists they haven't found anything. 

skeldon_man posted:

FC posted:

Surprised you did not blurt out the N word.  You seem to get an orgasim when you do.

I can coin many words with the acronym FC. Haul you ugly ass dah side.

Look, you garden variety racists are easily dealth with a fly swat.

FC posted:

Zed you are talking nonsense and you are trying to be clever.  I will indulge you a while longer. Do you have evidence on everything that you are commenting on? No. Evidence takes many forms. Oral evidence which has been attested to those present when he said PPP is a collie party, published reports in the media reports, public records etc.  A lot evidence exits which has not been disputed and challenged in the courts.  That in itself is evidence if it goes unchallenged.

There are many ways you can hide the money trail such as off book accounting.  It takes time and a lot of forensics to analyze what took place. So you are ignorant of how this work has to be done. Yet you bray like the other apologists they haven't found anything. 

First, the president indicated that the evidence was not there for a criminal charge. Second, asking people to provide proof for their statements is not being an apologist. It is trying to ensure that people are able to support what they say with evidence. Third, I have not heard the speech and just read excerpts in the newspapers and from social commentators. Fourth, you do not know my background and you ptrsume I know nothing about forensic audits, etc. I am aware of the many ways that one can hide money. I also know that it is becoming more difficult to do so. I also know that it takes some time to unravel the financial mess. Until someone is charged and convicted in a court of law, I refuse to bray  like many on this site who make unsupported statements, sixth, you guys are the ones making the allegations and I am asking for proof to support the allegation. You are telling me about oral evidence. All we have at this point is anecdotal and newspaper pieces which are not worth the paper they are printed on. Seventh, if a lot of evidence exists, then provide it, instead of labelling and resorting to name calling. Last but not least, this is about fact based arguments, not defending Jagdeo. Not because nature gives us fingers does not mean we must we use them to post unsupported statements. 

It is Past 11 pm here so until later. 

Banna you sound like a cheap Kmart lawyer.  But I tell you what the best evidence is what blacks experienced under Jagdeo the same way Indians felt under Burbham. Bury your head in the sand if you wish.

Blacks benefitted tremendously under the PPP. They suffered immensely under two Black Dictators Burnham and Hoyte and that pattern is now continuing under this flat bread Granijaw and his Clueless Dog Shyte PNC Administration.

Zed asks for evidence and the classic response by the PNC Dog Shyte administration is that "blacks suffered under the PPP" with ZERO proof.

Just like how the PNC claimed that the treasury was empty and then immediately looted and emptied it and are now taxing the nation to death. Blacks are feeling the squeeze under the PNC and are praying for Jagdeo's golden days where they could work, save and still have enough to spend.

What has the PNC done to benefit Blacks lately ? Tax, Tax Tax ?

What was the percentage of pay increase again for civil servants which is mainly blacks ?

How much of a pay increase percentage did the Dog Shyte PNC administration took at the expense of hard working Guyanese ?

Don't bring this race shyte here. Let us speak facts.

You were dropped on your head at birth..a few times....that's a fact.

Zed,

I will work on some numbers this weekend and presented on another thread,the amount of Salary the past president of Guyana Bharat Jagdeo earned during his presidency,with that figure it may or may not justify his current wealth,let the public decide.

Gilbakka posted:

GTAngler posted:

Cheddi was a trusting man. As per a CIA evaluation of the situation in Guyana, Janet Jagan was the communist. She was part of the communist party here in the United States and was under close scrutiny. She couldn't cut it here so she went to Guyana. I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me but she should have been HUNG.

Yeah, right! Hung on a bamboo fishing rod! 

Seriously, we must not take things for granted. Thousands of Guyanese have reasons to be grateful to Jagan for having a positive impact on their lives. Up to the early 1950s the overwhelming majority of East Indian parents did not send their daughters to secondary schools. After primary school, the girl was put on the marriage market. Janet Jagan travelled up and down the villages and estates, urging those parents to give their girl children high-school education and let them enter the job market. Her PPP government built secondary schools in rural areas, charging low tuition fees compared to the Georgetown school fees. This enabled thousands of Indo girls to accomplish secondary school training with opportunities for further education at the PPP-founded University of Guyana and other such institutions.

Also, up to the mid-1950s any married or unmarried female civil servant who got pregnant had to resign. As Minister of Labour, Health and Housing 1957-1961, Janet Jagan got the civil service rules changed so that working women could not only keep their jobs after making babies but also get paid maternity leave.

For those two reasons alone, I contend that Janet Jagan was not a candidate for HANGING.

Thank you for pointing that out to me. That was before my time, I am in my late 40's, and my parents kept us out of politics. My animosity towards Janet Jagan has to do with the fiasco after Cheddi died and the fallout and also the fact that the United States considered Cheddi the lesser of two evils between him and Burnham/D'Aguiar but SHE was the one they didn't trust or like hence the CIA covert intervention. " Hanging" might have been too harsh a word. I have said time and time again "passed on to me" and "to the best of my knowledge" and am very thankful when actual facts are pointed out to me. In addition to all of the arguing we do here, we must also treat this as a learning experience. At least I do.

Django posted:

Zed,

I will work on some numbers this weekend and presented on another thread,the amount of Salary the past president of Guyana Bharat Jagdeo earned during his presidency,with that figure it may or may not justify his current wealth,let the public decide.

Django, thanks for moving in the direction of making fact based statements. That was my point. Like many here, I too mouthed those statements about Jagdeo until I was asked to prove my point. Additionally, I had to remind myself that during my leadership seminars, I always tell participants to look for the data, analyse the at data, and use it to validate your point or position.

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed,

I will work on some numbers this weekend and presented on another thread,the amount of Salary the past president of Guyana Bharat Jagdeo earned during his presidency,with that figure it may or may not justify his current wealth,let the public decide.

Django, thanks for moving in the direction of making fact based statements. That was my point. Like many here, I too mouthed those statements about Jagdeo until I was asked to prove my point. Additionally, I had to remind myself that during my leadership seminars, I always tell participants to look for the data, analyse the at data, and use it to validate your point or position.

You are welcome.

I did a rough calculation and it's not in his favor,will PM you when finished before starting the thread.

Django why are you fascinated about Jagdeo salary..

do someting to helf Africans, go drill a Well in Africa 

Imran posted:

Django why are you fascinated about Jagdeo salary..

do someting to helf Africans, go drill a Well in Africa 

Not a fascination bhai,he is a Public Figure,just showing the truth he is not clean as a whistle.

Why should i go to Africa and not help the people in the country of my birth??

Django posted:

Imran posted:

Django why are you fascinated about Jagdeo salary..

do someting to helf Africans, go drill a Well in Africa 

Not a fascination bhai,he is a Public Figure,just showing the truth he is not clean as a whistle.

Why should i go to Africa and not help the people in the country of my birth??

Guyanese don't need our help, them people rass Appy like one big family. Indians and Africans a hug up and do all thing together 

there is an increase in Dougla picknee bai. 

Zed posted:

I been away from Guyana during most of the jagdeo years and am not too knowledgable about the extent of his rule.  Returned to Guyana in 2009. Since I joined this forum, Carib has been arguing that the Jagdeo government has practised racism against Afro Guyanese. I am asking Carib to provide the facts to  support this position. 

 

FACTs  I have presented numerous times. Listen I don't care what you think. If the PPP isn't racist then Burnham wasn't towards Indians.

Jagdeo sued Freddie K when the latter called him an institutional racist.  Freddie K and Nigel Hughes responded with facts and threw the matter back at Jagdeo. Even Luncheon couldn't respond to that.

Now it might be YOUR opinion that the PPP treated blacks equitably to how they treated Indians. Just that it is YOUR opinion that the PNC discriminated against Indians.

FACT. Blacks perceive the PPP as being hostile to them just as Indians perceive the PNC to be hostile.

Leave it at that.  If you wish blacks to respect how Indians feel about the PNC in general and about Burnham in particular then learn to respect blacks when they say that Jagdeo is a racist.

Imran posted:

Django posted:

Imran posted:

Django why are you fascinated about Jagdeo salary..

do someting to helf Africans, go drill a Well in Africa 

Not a fascination bhai,he is a Public Figure,just showing the truth he is not clean as a whistle.

Why should i go to Africa and not help the people in the country of my birth??

Guyanese don't need our help, them people rass Appy like one big family. Indians and Africans a hug up and do all thing together 

there is an increase in Dougla picknee bai. 

That explains why Prashad includes Douglas in his independent Indo-whatever nation.