ksazma posted:

I am a high school dropout.

So. Are you the only one who did well?  But I can see your issue. Still insecure so you must invent a notion of Afro Guyanese inferiority.

ksazma posted:

Question for Caribj. If Indian Guyanese do menial jobs just like or more than black Guyanese, why does it seem like Guyanese Indians have a higher standard of living than Guyanese blacks? Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. You are free to dismiss this as me being racist but that will only prolong you acknowledging some real problems in black communities. We just had hurricane Irma and to get some people something to eat some schools and organizations were giving out free food. The crowds were mostly black. You can again dismiss that as racism but again you will only be deliberately denying a real issue in the black communities. Think about those two examples and others. Think.

You are making a mistake by stating definitively that Indians have a higher standard of living than Africans. You are parsing your conclusion on the assumption that Indians in general are richer and that is also a false hood.

There are two studies on the nature of poverty in guyana that gleaned information from WB and locally generated data. One was produced by Dr Clive thomas and the other by Ravi Dev crew, Somdat and Gampat. The latter two give more weight to rural poverty and standard of living on account the lack of essentials ie running water, indoor toilet, access to communications and electricity.

As for the west indian islands....they enjoy far higher standard of living than us. Despite being devastated, these islands will rebound since they have what we do not have, beaches and blue water. They will always be a magnet for the rich with disposable income. Guyanese presently adversely affected by the hurricane on these islands are not returning home. That is a fact.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

only prolong you acknowledging some real problems in black communities. We just had hurricane Irma and to get some people something to eat some schools and organizations were giving out free food. The crowds were mostly black.

What babbling nonsense is this.

1.  Those islands are mainly black so obviously those requiring hurricane assistance will be mainly black.  When Guyana had major flooding several years ago Indians were lining up for flood relief just as were blacks.

2. If you refer to NYC what % of the black population of NYC consists of black Guyanese?

Now run off and peddle your notion of black inferiority. Clearly it seems that you need to feel better than Afro Guyanese to feel good about yourself.

In your effort to quickly divert from the harsh reality you mistakenly thought I was referring to crowds in the islands when I was referring to crowds in Miami and Fort Lauderdale and its suburbs. How is it that while blacks are not the majority here, they are among the needy. I don't remember recognizing any Indians although there could have been some. But keep on denying the reality.

Drugb posted:

 

Dude not everyone can be a software developer of significant complexity, 

That is true except that this isn't you.   Now run off and get back to your coding before your white boss hires an H1B and fires you.

ksazma posted:

Question for Caribj. If Indian Guyanese do menial jobs just like or more than black Guyanese, 

Among Guyanese migrants within the Caribbean Afro Guyanese are more likely to be nurses and other para professionals. Much of it being due to the rampant racism that blacks faced under Jagdeo which led to many of them fleeing. In addition being culturally similar, and in many instances being re-migrants whose grandparents went to Guyana it is easier for them to integrate.

Reality is that many Indo Guyanese in the islands are in fact doing menial jobs. 

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. 

I look at statistics. You walk around neighborhoods and don't even know what you are looking at.

I bet you walk down Church Ave and think that this is an Afro Guyanese neighborhood.

As I expected and indicated as much in my comment, you will choose to go into denial. Carry on smartly.

No all you reveal is that your basic racism causes you to think that you are better than Guyanese of African descent so you peddle nonsense. 

Where is your statistical data to show that Indo Guyanese are better off?

Conflating African Americans with black immigrants is your dodge to hide your basic racism.  

I trust my sight. You choose to not believe your lying eyes. I grew up in Prashad Nagar. We owned our house. Indians were home owners in Campbellville, Prashad Nagar and Kitty. Blacks lived in range houses in Campbellville and La Penitence. Now hide behind the silly notion that I am a racist instead of acknowledging that truth.

 

Drugb posted
Dude not everyone can be a software developer of significant complexity, 

Complex software development is in Astronomy, Physics and AI not in banking and finance. Wall street hires theoretical physicists because business school grads do not have the skill set to create financial instruments.

Anyone can be a software developer. Most developmental tool box are erector sets so the individual with a specific idea who can logically organize his/her ideas. Eclipse for example makes anyone an app developer in and afternoon. Ruby on Rails can make an individual a master web developer in a couple of weeks.

Stormborn posted:

 

 

You are making a mistake by stating definitively that Indians have a higher standard of living than Africans. You are parsing your conclusion on the assumption that Indians in general are richer and that is also a false hood.

There are two studies on the nature of poverty in guyana that gleaned information from WB and locally generated data. One was produced by Dr Clive thomas and the other by Ravi Dev crew, Somdat and Gampat. The latter two give more weight to rural poverty and standard of living on account the lack of essentials ie running water, indoor toilet, access to communications and electricity.

As for the west indian islands....they enjoy far higher standard of living than us. Despite being devastated, these islands will rebound since they have what we do not have, beaches and blue water. They will always be a magnet for the rich with disposable income. Guyanese presently adversely affected by the hurricane on these islands are not returning home. That is a fact.

That is what I keep telling CaribJ as to why the Guyanese are fleeing there. However his head is heard and he does not listen. White sand beaches and blue water will always trump jungle, malaria and mud water.

Stormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Question for Caribj. If Indian Guyanese do menial jobs just like or more than black Guyanese, why does it seem like Guyanese Indians have a higher standard of living than Guyanese blacks? Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. You are free to dismiss this as me being racist but that will only prolong you acknowledging some real problems in black communities. We just had hurricane Irma and to get some people something to eat some schools and organizations were giving out free food. The crowds were mostly black. You can again dismiss that as racism but again you will only be deliberately denying a real issue in the black communities. Think about those two examples and others. Think.

You are making a mistake by stating definitively that Indians have a higher standard of living than Africans. You are parsing your conclusion on the assumption that Indians in general are richer and that is also a false hood.

There are two studies on the nature of poverty in guyana that gleaned information from WB and locally generated data. One was produced by Dr Clive thomas and the other by Ravi Dev crew, Somdat and Gampat. The latter two give more weight to rural poverty and standard of living on account the lack of essentials ie running water, indoor toilet, access to communications and electricity.

As for the west indian islands....they enjoy far higher standard of living than us. Despite being devastated, these islands will rebound since they have what we do not have, beaches and blue water. They will always be a magnet for the rich with disposable income. Guyanese presently adversely affected by the hurricane on these islands are not returning home. That is a fact.

I didn't state anything definitely Stormy. I stated that it seem so. Nonetheless the argument about utilities in rural areas seem weak given that rural areas have to provide their own utilities while urban areas ones are provided by the government. When we built our house in Prashad Nagar we had to buy our own sand to pave our roads. Burnham didn't care for Prashad Nagar.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Dude not everyone can be a software developer of significant complexity, 

That is true except that this isn't you.   Now run off and get back to your coding before your white boss hires an H1B and fires you.

My position is not threatened by h1b, a new buzz word you picked up recently. In fact if you were up on your research you would note that Trump has tightened the regulations for h1b, if you have black relatives you should now encourage them to pursue a computer science degree. I might even throw you a bone by hiring them. 

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. 

I look at statistics. You walk around neighborhoods and don't even know what you are looking at.

I bet you walk down Church Ave and think that this is an Afro Guyanese neighborhood.

As I expected and indicated as much in my comment, you will choose to go into denial. Carry on smartly.

No all you reveal is that your basic racism causes you to think that you are better than Guyanese of African descent so you peddle nonsense. 

Where is your statistical data to show that Indo Guyanese are better off?

Conflating African Americans with black immigrants is your dodge to hide your basic racism.  

I trust my sight. You choose to not believe your lying eyes. I grew up in Prashad Nagar. We owned our house. Indians were home owners in Campbellville, Prashad Nagar and Kitty. Blacks lived in range houses in Campbellville and La Penitence. Now hide behind the silly notion that I am a racist instead of acknowledging that truth.

You are looking at a small sampling. In general, Indians and African Guyanese are comparably in the same financial boat. Given Sugar is done that is almost 25000 indians more affected directly and another 60 thousand who rely on the multiplier effect of spending in this industry. That is almost a third of the population of indians directly thrown into poverty this year

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Dude not everyone can be a software developer of significant complexity, 

That is true except that this isn't you.   Now run off and get back to your coding before your white boss hires an H1B and fires you.

My position is not threatened by h1b, a new buzz word you picked up recently. In fact if you were up on your research you would note that Trump has tightened the regulations for h1b, if you have black relatives you should now encourage them to pursue a computer science degree. I might even throw you a bone by hiring them. 

Trump has done nothing on H1B. He has suggested that he will make sure H1B  workers do not take the place of a worker in the US. Given H1B workers were never here to fill a need but to lower cost it is likely that more of the work done by these tech workers will be done abroad. Companies will cut corners any way they can.

ksazma posted:

 

I trust my sight. 

There you go.  You are a blind racist man who peddles your inability to see the fact that large numbers of Guyanese of African descent are in fact progressive.  Cannot show data.  Shows what you "see".

I cannot cure you of your racist disease, but thank you for making my point about racist attitudes which are so prevalent among Indians.

Drugb posted:

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My position is not threatened by h1b, a new buzz word you picked up recently. 

No wonder you love Trump so much. You taught us all about H1B when several years ago you were screaming that they were going to do you out of your job.

I see thanks to Trump you don't have that much to fear.

Stormborn posted:

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You are looking at a small sampling. 

He sees that which he wants to see. In the same Kitty that he claims to be an expert on legions of blacks were home owners as well. But he will only notice those who aren't as he needs to feel racially superior to love himself.

He cannot feel superior to whites as these types normally grovel for their support. So he picks on blacks.

What is ironic is that the PPP itself used to peddle data to show that there was little difference in the overall condition of the two major groups. This when they wanted to deny the rampant ethnic exclusion that they were then engaged in.

Stormborn posted:

You are looking at a small sampling. In general, Indians and African Guyanese are comparably in the same financial boat. Given Sugar is done that is almost 25000 indians more affected directly and another 60 thousand who rely on the multiplier effect of spending in this industry. That is almost a third of the population of indians directly thrown into poverty this year

I am willing to bet that if sugar goes away, those canecutters will come up with a solution. I don't expect them to sit on their hands and make excuses.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 

I trust my sight. 

There you go.  You are a blind racist man who peddles your inability to see the fact that large numbers of Guyanese of African descent are in fact progressive.  Cannot show data.  Shows what you "see".

 

I cannot cure you of your racist disease, but thank you for making my point about racist attitudes which are so prevalent among Indians.

Your argument is what many make because it is the easy one to make. Anyone who point out reality is quickly deemed a resist. You and those can keep doing that and ignore what is really happening and the black communities will continue to suffer because they are not ready to rise above the excuses and denials. 

caribny posted:

Stormborn posted:

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You are looking at a small sampling. 

He sees that which he wants to see. In the same Kitty that he claims to be an expert on legions of blacks were home owners as well. But he will only notice those who aren't as he needs to feel racially superior to love himself.

He cannot feel superior to whites as these types normally grovel for their support. So he picks on blacks.

What is ironic is that the PPP itself used to peddle data to show that there was little difference in the overall condition of the two major groups. This when they wanted to deny the rampant ethnic exclusion that they were then engaged in.

You are hallucinating. I don't feel inferior to whites. I don't feel inferior or superior to anyone. It is not about me. It is about the conditions in black communities which you choose to deny. For a change, try honesty.

ksazma posted:

. It is not about me. It is about the conditions in black communities which you choose to deny. For a change, try honesty.

I suggest that you admit to the condition of Indo Guyanese given that they are no better off.  Afro and Indo Guyanese have comparable socio economic indices.  This as stated by the PPP when it was denying that its ethnic exclusionary tactics aimed at Afro Guyanese was hurting that community.

But any assertion that the two groups have comparable socio economic conditions assaults your sense of racial superiority.

Now let us start a discussion as to why Indians in the Caribbean are worse off than are the others who arrived as indentures.  The Portuguese and Chinese are way ahead of Indians.  So relish in your flawed view of Indian superiority instead of dwelling on that fact.

ksazma posted:

that and ignore what is really happening and the black communities will continue to suffer because they are not ready to rise above the excuses and denials. 

I am still waiting for you to furnish verified third party data to suggest that Indo Caribbean people in the USA are better off than are Afro Caribbean people.  And this despite the fact that they are not directly targeted for racist treatment as are black immigrants.

I also await your data to show that Indians in Guyana are AS A GROUP, better off than are blacks.  No anecdotes about what your racist eyes don't see will be acceptable. You are a racist so only see what suits your racist agenda.

ksazma posted:

 

I am willing to bet that if sugar goes away, those canecutters will come up with a solution. I don't expect them to sit on their hands and make excuses.

Really.  So if Indians don't need Guysuco then why has almost US $1 billion been squandered on that entity in terms of debts, subsidies and bailouts over the past 10+ years?

Tell Jagdeo to stop running around screaming "black man a starve ahbe" if Indians no longer need employment in sugar.

In fact GAWU the PPP and others are screaming that shutting down sugar is tantamount to ethnic genocide given that a high % of the Indian population is directly and indirectly dependent on income from that industry. Also given the safety net of flight to Trinidad and Barbados no longer exists as it did 10 years ago as the economies of those islands have greatly slowed so fewer jobs are available.

Pat yourself on your racist back but Indo Guyanese have done much worse than did their fellow indentures the Portuguese and the Chinese.  I suggest that you dwell on this issue rather than pretending that Indo Caribbean people are better off than are Afro Caribbean people.

And in fact the mere issue of the high rates of suicides within the Indo Guyanese Hindu communities shows that there are problems. Why are so many Guyanese Indians killing themselves if their lives are so problem free?

And yes ksazma 3rd party verified data shows that Guyana has a rate many multiple times the levels of majority black places like Jamaica.  It is also worthy of note that the other Caribbean societies which are suicide prone are Trinidad and Suriname.  This suggests that, as in Guyana, much of this abnormally high suicide rate is within their Indian populations.

This is so much an issue that in some Caribbean islands they see suicide as a "Guyanese" thing, and the Guyanese involved are almost always Hindus.

I know that your racist screams about Indian superiority don't allow for this fact but it is what it is.

Caribj, keep making excuses and the problem will continue. It is your problem and you can ignore it as much as you want. I live in South Florida and I don't see hardup Indians anywhere. I do see many hardup blacks. Maybe the Indians know how to hide their neediness. You can continue to talk about what menial jobs Guyanese Indians do in the other islands but my guess is that you will, if you are honest, have to acknowledge that they get more out of their menial jobs than their black Guyanese counterparts. Similar to how they fare in New York, South and Central Florida. But you would need to be honest in order to get that right. You can't hide behind the institutionalized racism excuse forever.

caribny posted:

 

Pat yourself on your racist back but Indo Guyanese have done much worse than did their fellow indentures the Portuguese and the Chinese.

  

We were comparing the conditions of Guyanese Indians and blacks. Why did your excuse driven tendency allow you to exclude blacks and drag Portuguese and Chinese into the discussion. Looks like the truth is killing you dude.

caribny posted:

 

I suggest that you admit to the condition of Indo Guyanese given that they are no better off.  

Not where I live in South Florida. I don't see hardup Guyanese Indians here. So there is nothing to admit to. Face the truth bro.

ksazma posted:

Caribj, keep making excuses and the problem will continue. It is your problem and you can ignore it as much as you want. I live in South Florida and I don't see hardup Indians anywhere. I do see many hardup blacks. ..

And yet a very successful Afro Caribbean population lives in Broward county. Many college educated. Most homeowners and the majority earning household median incomes higher than the norm for So Florida.

But you go running around the black ghetto because you must convince yourself that blacks are all ghetto hood rat failures.  I will suggest to you that few Guyanese blacks live in Miami's black ghettoes. Mostly American blacks, some Bahamians and Haitians and maybe some Cuban blacks.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

Pat yourself on your racist back but Indo Guyanese have done much worse than did their fellow indentures the Portuguese and the Chinese.

  

We were comparing the conditions of Guyanese Indians and blacks. .

You have yet to furnish evidence that Guyanese Indians are better off.  I decided to burst your bubble by suggestion to you that the Portuguese and Chinese must be laughing at you knowing full well that they are better off than BOTH Indians and blacks so finding your babbling to be quite entertaining.

And ksazma thanks for explaining the fact that you are a high school drop out.  This explains your inability to grasp complex thought or the notion that you cannot use your observations to make global pronouncements as to how well or poorly communities are doing.  You must use 3rd party data from credible sources.

Jamaicans can be assumed to be an Afro Caribbean group. Guyanese a mix of Indo and Afro Caribbean people.  The trick is to compare statistical data to see any difference in the performance of these two groups. What is interesting is that even though Jamaicans have higher levels of female headed households and fewer people in the household, indicating a lower presence of adult children, there isn't a huge difference in socio economic indices. 

This in fact suggests that Jamaican females are much more successful income earners than are Guyanese females and so almost offset the fact that there are fewer income earners in their households.

I know of nothing that suggests that Afro Guyanese underperform Jamaicans.  In fact data suggests that black immigrants from South America outperform other black groups.  Guyana is one of the largest sources of immigrants from South America and the other two large ones, Colombia and Ecuador, aren't known to send many blacks to the USA.  So we can infer that this is in fact Guyanese blacks who perform well once they migrate to the USA.

To your chagrin data also suggests that Jamaicans are slightly more likely than are Guyanese to be self employed.  Clearly this indicates that the Indo Guyanese population is a mainly wage earning group.

But feel free to drive around Liberty City and other black ghettoes to make your point.  If in the process you become a victim of crime I know that all of these upper middle class Caribbean professionals will be blamed by you as you indict the entire black population of So FL for your plight.

Stormborn posted:

Trump has done nothing on H1B. He has suggested that he will make sure H1B  workers do not take the place of a worker in the US. Given H1B workers were never here to fill a need but to lower cost it is likely that more of the work done by these tech workers will be done abroad. Companies will cut corners any way they can.

Don't step outside your comfort zone and speak on topics that you know nothing of. Trump has done something, he fired a warning shot across the bow of the big consulting firms to the point where they have changed their strategy in few months after he took office. The ibm, infosis, cognizant, hcl, tcs and others are now actively seeking out green card holders and citizens for software work over the h1b's. The laws were always there but with a wink wink, nod nod, they persons responsible for handing out these visas were not enforcing the wage requirements. Now with Trump in they are enforcing it, now software developers with a new h1 must be hired at 130k or above. The accounting end of it no longer works for these companies as it is cheaper to hire US residents at this price. 

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Caribj, keep making excuses and the problem will continue. It is your problem and you can ignore it as much as you want. I live in South Florida and I don't see hardup Indians anywhere. I do see many hardup blacks. ..

And yet a very successful Afro Caribbean population lives in Broward county. Many college educated. Most homeowners and the majority earning household median incomes higher than the norm for So Florida.

But you go running around the black ghetto because you must convince yourself that blacks are all ghetto hood rat failures.  I will suggest to you that few Guyanese blacks live in Miami's black ghettoes. Mostly American blacks, some Bahamians and Haitians and maybe some Cuban blacks.

Caribbean blacks live primarily in East and Central Miramar, Lauderhill and other less lucrative areas so you can keep making excuses. It is not about running around black ghettos which bring up another question. Have you seen an Indian ghetto in South Florida? But as I mentioned earlier, it is not about what Indians do with what they get but how folks like you keep making excuses for why your folks struggle. Keep blaming others.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

Pat yourself on your racist back but Indo Guyanese have done much worse than did their fellow indentures the Portuguese and the Chinese.

  

We were comparing the conditions of Guyanese Indians and blacks. .

You have yet to furnish evidence that Guyanese Indians are better off.  I decided to burst your bubble by suggestion to you that the Portuguese and Chinese must be laughing at you knowing full well that they are better off than BOTH Indians and blacks so finding your babbling to be quite entertaining.

I told you that I trust my sight. You chose to pick on that rather than take my advise and stop believing your lying eyes. You and your folks would have been better served if you and the other 'leaders' in your community would stop looking for places and people to blame rather than come up with some revolutionary ideas to fix the problem.

And you brought in the Portuguese and Chinese argument in your effort to deflect from your real problem but you can only deflect for so long before the reality stare you in your face. The question is if you are ready to accept it or if you are going to continue deflect.

Lastly, I really don't care how people see me of if anyone is laughing at me. My position is that I will be who I am and have what I have regardless of how anyone sees me. What I have or who I am are entirely up to what effort and dedication I put in. Imagine what that kind of attitude would do for your community.

caribny posted:

And ksazma thanks for explaining the fact that you are a high school drop out.

  

Interestingly how easily you accept my high school dropout statement as FACT and not the others just because you feel that it benefits your excuse making agenda and deflects from the realities in your communities.

Well said Kaz. You are one of GNI's most balanced poster and call a spade a spade.

It is unfortunate how Carib spreads his racist agenda at GNI.

yuji22 posted:

Well said Kaz. You are one of GNI's most balanced poster and call a spade a spade.

It is unfortunate how Carib spreads his racist agenda at GNI.

Deflection only manages to do disservice to people. That is exactly why I avoid making excuses for Muslims' behavior. It is very easy for me to recognize their wickedness and comment on them. If I can do that so easily, I don't see why Carib is struggling at face reality. He is his peoples' worse enemy.

ksazma posted:

 

Caribbean blacks live primarily in East and Central Miramar, Lauderhill and other less lucrative areas so you can keep making excuses. 

Are these ghettoes?

ksazma posted:

yuji22 posted:

Well said Kaz. You are one of GNI's most balanced poster and call a spade a spade.

It is unfortunate how Carib spreads his racist agenda at GNI.

Deflection only manages to do disservice to people. .

The fact that one of the worst racists on GNI calls you "balanced" just confirms what a racist indeed you are.

Now continue to project blacks as a uniformly impoverished group when in fact many are not.   Your ego rests on this fact.  And just to show the moron that you are I am pointing out that many Caribbean blacks SUCCEED, so where are the excuses for that? DESPITE the racism that they face they find a way.

Racists like you cannot see blacks outside of the bottom 30%.  The remaining blacks work hard to succeed and many even break through.  But you cannot allow that as you drive through Liberty City as you seek evidence of black failure.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...mmigrant-population/

The assorted racists including ksazma and druggie can read through this.  They will see that black immigrants aren't this group of welfare dependent and impoverished failures that they imagine us to be.

Note that the Caribbean numbers including black immigrants from Haiti, Cuba and the DR who underperform those from the English speaking Caribbean because they arrive less educated and with English language limitations.

Guyanese are included in the South American data.  Given that there are few black immigrants from Colombia and Ecuador, the largest suppliers of South American immigrants, or from Brazil, then we can safely assume that Guyanese account for a disproportionate % of the total.  So the South American data can also be used as a proxy for the English speaking Caribbean.

I am willing to bet if you were able to find data on Indo Guyanese migrants the data wouldn't be any better.

Drugb posted:

 

That is what I keep telling CaribJ as to why the Guyanese are fleeing there. However his head is heard and he does not listen. White sand beaches and blue water will always trump jungle, malaria and mud water.

Druggie tourism doesn't provide lucrative jobs.  Waiters, cleaners, taxi drivers, sales clerks in tourism shops, front desk staff.  These aren't high wage jobs.

In fact in places like the BVI and St Maarten the tourist related jobs are held mainly by the Caribbean immigrants.  BVI folk work for government, the financial services sector or in the utilities.  Those jobs offer higher pay, and year round employment. 

Those in tourism can expect to be unemployed from Aug to early November with some only finding employment in the peak Dec-April period.

The fact that Guyanese flee for those jobs just shows how desperate conditions in Guyana are.  Jamaica, Cuba and the DR have the largest tourist industries in the Caribbean.  They are only marginally less poor than is Guyana and in fact migrants from those islands can be found scattered around the Caribbean.  

And the bulk of the better paid workers in Jamaica and the DR can be found in Kingston and Sto. Domingo.  Negril and Punta Cana aren't zones of highly paid people.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

And ksazma thanks for explaining the fact that you are a high school drop out.

  

Interestingly how easily you accept my high school dropout statement as FACT and not the others just because you feel that it benefits your excuse making agenda and deflects from the realities in your communities.

It is an explanation for the range of very illiterate comments that you make.   You don't assess the condition of an ethnic group by furnishing 3rd party data.  You stereotype based on your assessment of a community as you drive through.

No one with advanced education would be so stupid.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

And you brought in the Portuguese and Chinese argument in your effort to deflect from your real problem but you can only deflect for so long before the reality stare you in your face. The question is if you are ready to accept it or if you are going to continue deflect.

 

I bring it up to suggest to you that Indo Guyanese have their own severe problems.  They arrived on the same basis as did indentures from China and Madeira and have done much worse.

People, including Ravi Dev, hardly an apologist for Afro Guyanese, have stated that to claim that Indo Guyanese are better off is misleading when one looks at the overall picture, using various indices. 

Rav Dev is not a man noted for painting a flattering portrait of Afro Guyanese.