Iran begins naval drills in Strait of Hormuz
Tehran's latest display of military power will bring it into close proximity of US warships in strategic oil route.
Last Modified: 25 Dec 2011 07:30


Iran's navy has started a 10-day drill in international waters near the strategic oil route that passes through the Strait of Hormuz.

The exercises, dubbed "Velayat 90", could bring Iranian ships into proximity with United States Navy vessels in the area. "Velayat" is a Persian word for "supremacy" and it is currently used as a title of deference for the Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The war games cover a 2,000km stretch of sea off the Strait of Hormuz, northern parts of the Indian Ocean and into the Gulf of Aden, near the entrance to the Red Sea, state television reported.

The drill will be Iran's latest show of strength in the face of mounting international criticism over its controversial nuclear programme, which the West fears is aimed at developing atomic weapons. Tehran denies those charges, insisting the program is for peaceful purposes only.

Adm Habibollah Sayyari, the navy chief, said Iran is holding the drill to show off its prowess and defense capabilities.

"To show off its might, the navy needs to be present in international waters. It's necessary to demonstrate the navy's defense capabilities," state TV quoted Sayyari as saying.

Sayyari said submarines, surface-to-sea missile systems, missile-launching vessels, torpedoes and drones will be employed in the maneuvers.

Strategic waterway

The Strait of Hormuz is of strategic significance as the passageway for about a third of the world's oil tanker traffic. Beyond it lie vast bodies of water, including the Arabian Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

The US Navy's Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet is also active in the area, as are warships of several other countries that patrol for pirates there.

Iran regularly holds war games and has also been active in fighting piracy. Both the US and Israel have not ruled out a military option against Iran over its nuclear program.

Iranian hard-liners have come out with occasional threats that Tehran would seal off the key waterway if the US or Israel moved against the country's nuclear facilities.

Iranian authorities have given no indication the strait will be closed during the exercise, and it has not been shut during previous drills.

The US, Britain and Canada announced new measures against Iran's energy and financial sectors last month and the European Union is considering a ban, already in place in the US, on imports of Iranian oil.

Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

haven't you noticed that the Americans never attack a nation that can hit back?

They invaded Afghanistan after that nation face 10 years of soviet occupation. They invaded Iraq after they face a 10 years war with Iran and 12 years of economic sanctions. They bombarded a nation of 5 million people (Libya) 5 years after they gave up their nuclear weapons.

If invading crippled nations took the US 10 years of trouble and economic bleeding, imagine what it would take to subdue Iran.
Iran will lose the war of course but after 10 years during which time China, India, Russia and Brazil will have taken advantage of the US stupidity of waging it.

Watchout for the flying jets at dawn.. a covert operation is on it's way...

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Watchout for the flying jets at dawn.. a covert operation is on it's way...

an underground war is taking place and Iran has already felt its effects. Economic sanctions are applied to nations that will be bombed by the US because the west has never attacked nations than haven't been crippled by proxy wars or economic sanctions. Apart from Germany, the white nations have never attacked a country that can strike back.

Lucas, you speaketh shit.

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Originally posted by cain:
Lucas, you speaketh shit.

Remember that Guyana cannot strike back in case of any foreign attack.

Iran sey bring it on..we ready.

am..am..ammm can we have our drone back please

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

haven't you noticed that the Americans never attack a nation that can hit back?

They invaded Afghanistan after that nation face 10 years of soviet occupation. They invaded Iraq after they face a 10 years war with Iran and 12 years of economic sanctions. They bombarded a nation of 5 million people (Libya) 5 years after they gave up their nuclear weapons.

If invading crippled nations took the US 10 years of trouble and economic bleeding, imagine what it would take to subdue Iran.
Iran will lose the war of course but after 10 years during which time China, India, Russia and Brazil will have taken advantage of the US stupidity of waging it.

The soviet union was defeated with US aid.

Iran has no long range missiles, no satellites and a bunch of decades old planes so how can it defend against last decade tomahawks the us have and would love to decommission on their behind. The US does not have to defend and hold territory. The only thing saving those mullahs is its people who detest their behind and more than once tried to take them out. Their time is coming as well as people get tired of living under totalitarianism when they have the aptitude to truly reach for the skies and in peace.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

haven't you noticed that the Americans never attack a nation that can hit back?

They invaded Afghanistan after that nation face 10 years of soviet occupation. They invaded Iraq after they face a 10 years war with Iran and 12 years of economic sanctions. They bombarded a nation of 5 million people (Libya) 5 years after they gave up their nuclear weapons.

If invading crippled nations took the US 10 years of trouble and economic bleeding, imagine what it would take to subdue Iran.
Iran will lose the war of course but after 10 years during which time China, India, Russia and Brazil will have taken advantage of the US stupidity of waging it.

The soviet union was defeated with US aid.

Iran has no long range missiles, no satellites and a bunch of decades old planes so how can it defend against last decade tomahawks the us have and would love to decommission on their behind. The US does not have to defend and hold territory. The only thing saving those mullahs is its people who detest their behind and more than once tried to take them out. Their time is coming as well as people get tired of living under totalitarianism when they have the aptitude to truly reach for the skies and in peace.

Iran sey if yall big and bad come try something.
obama sey...please can we have our drone back..come on Iran give us back our drone..NOW

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

haven't you noticed that the Americans never attack a nation that can hit back?

They invaded Afghanistan after that nation face 10 years of soviet occupation. They invaded Iraq after they face a 10 years war with Iran and 12 years of economic sanctions. They bombarded a nation of 5 million people (Libya) 5 years after they gave up their nuclear weapons.

If invading crippled nations took the US 10 years of trouble and economic bleeding, imagine what it would take to subdue Iran.
Iran will lose the war of course but after 10 years during which time China, India, Russia and Brazil will have taken advantage of the US stupidity of waging it.

The soviet union was defeated with US aid.

Iran has no long range missiles, no satellites and a bunch of decades old planes so how can it defend against last decade tomahawks the us have and would love to decommission on their behind. The US does not have to defend and hold territory. The only thing saving those mullahs is its people who detest their behind and more than once tried to take them out. Their time is coming as well as people get tired of living under totalitarianism when they have the aptitude to truly reach for the skies and in peace.

Wet dreaming again. The soviet union defeated itself. They appointed a stupid leader called Gorbachev, a gullible man who didn't understand world politics. He surrendered the soviet union to the west.

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lucas,

The Iranians are asking for trouble. They fought a protracted war with Iraq for 10 years and could not win. The Americans destroyed the Iraqis in weeks. Think about what they would do with the Iranian Navy. The US will quickly destroy the Iranian Navy and Air Force. They better stop all that sabre-rattling.

haven't you noticed that the Americans never attack a nation that can hit back?

They invaded Afghanistan after that nation face 10 years of soviet occupation. They invaded Iraq after they face a 10 years war with Iran and 12 years of economic sanctions. They bombarded a nation of 5 million people (Libya) 5 years after they gave up their nuclear weapons.

If invading crippled nations took the US 10 years of trouble and economic bleeding, imagine what it would take to subdue Iran.
Iran will lose the war of course but after 10 years during which time China, India, Russia and Brazil will have taken advantage of the US stupidity of waging it.

The soviet union was defeated with US aid.

Iran has no long range missiles, no satellites and a bunch of decades old planes so how can it defend against last decade tomahawks the us have and would love to decommission on their behind. The US does not have to defend and hold territory. The only thing saving those mullahs is its people who detest their behind and more than once tried to take them out. Their time is coming as well as people get tired of living under totalitarianism when they have the aptitude to truly reach for the skies and in peace.

Wet dreaming again. The soviet union defeated itself. They appointed a stupid leader called Gorbachev, a gullible man who didn't understand world politics. He surrendered the soviet union to the west.

I guess Brezhnev, Khrushchev and Stalin were your kind of leaders. As far as I am concerned and the consensus among scholars appear predominantly on my side;, Gorbachev was the salvation of the soviet state, and one of the most endearing of the modern world leaders.

Russia is now a free state and so is the rest of the eastern block states. He ushered in a new political paradigm ie states are responsible onto themselves and group identity is of consequence. As I said, you enjoy being a slave so much you miss it hence the affinity for totalitarianism. Note that without him there would be no modern =China. The US would never have saved their sorry behind from their medieval status.

If I were Russian I would consider Gorbachev as a traitor.

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Originally posted by Lucas:
If I were Russian I would consider Gorbachev as a traitor.

Well you are not Russian but a semi operational and disoriented human.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Lucas:
If I were Russian I would consider Gorbachev as a traitor.

Well you are not Russian but a semi operational and disoriented human.

Am I hurting your pro-white supremacist sentiments?

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Originally posted by Lucas:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Lucas:
If I were Russian I would consider Gorbachev as a traitor.

Well you are not Russian but a semi operational and disoriented human.

Am I hurting your pro-white supremacist sentiments?

to the contrary; white folks have little to do with reasoning which is the property of all thinking beings

This is the guy (D2) who condemns constitutional democracy in Guyana and now endorses a similar system in Russia which may not be as democratic and transparent.. Is Russia really a free country? Don't confuse free markets with political freedom.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
This is the guy (D2) who condemns constitutional democracy in Guyana and now endorses a similar system in Russia which may not be as democratic and transparent.. Is Russia really a free country? Don't confuse free markets with political freedom.

you are just plainly nuts. Putin is to Russia what jagdeo was to the PPP. He turned democracy on its head as he sets himself as the pontiff. Russia had a good thing going until Putin.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
This is the guy (D2) who condemns constitutional democracy in Guyana and now endorses a similar system in Russia which may not be as democratic and transparent.. Is Russia really a free country? Don't confuse free markets with political freedom.

you are just plainly nuts. Putin is to Russia what jagdeo was to the PPP. He turned democracy on its head as he sets himself as the pontiff. Russia had a good thing going until Putin.

Jagdeo is nowhere near Putin when it comes to controlling gov't. No PPP leader including Jagdeo has been abled to excercise full political power in the history of Guyana. They have all been pushed around by the PNC and forced to make concessions at the expense of their supporters. Quit the non-sense about Jagdeo being a Putin. Internal fights in the PPP is a different issue.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
This is the guy (D2) who condemns constitutional democracy in Guyana and now endorses a similar system in Russia which may not be as democratic and transparent.. Is Russia really a free country? Don't confuse free markets with political freedom.

you are just plainly nuts. Putin is to Russia what jagdeo was to the PPP. He turned democracy on its head as he sets himself as the pontiff. Russia had a good thing going until Putin.

Jagdeo is nowhere near Putin when it comes to controlling gov't. No PPP leader including Jagdeo has been abled to excercise full political power in the history of Guyana. They have all been pushed around by the PNC and forced to make concessions at the expense of their supporters. Quit the non-sense about Jagdeo being a Putin. Internal fights in the PPP is a different issue.

Jagdeo had totalitarian power and acted like a pontiff, micromanaging everything to the exclusion of all other parties, political and civil. That is why the PPP imploded and why the destruction of their patronage system has begun. The only nonsense uttered here is from an addled brained fool with little knowledge of the constitution of our country and the scope of power it awards an executive president and how it can be misused by an individual as Jagdeo.

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Jagdeo had totalitarian power and acted like a pontiff, micromanaging everything to the exclusion of all other parties, political and civil. That is why the PPP imploded and why the destruction of their patronage system has begun. The only nonsense uttered here is from an addled brained fool with little knowledge of the constitution of our country and the scope of power it awards an executive president and how it can be misused by an individual as Jagdeo.

First of all, the PPP did not implode. It won the elections with almost 49% of the popular votes casted. Secondly, Jagdeo had no balls to govern Guyana they way he ought to. Many in the AFC who were once on the ROAR platform lambasted the Jagdeo for being too soft on the opposition. They said he did not have the political will to deal with the opposition and other problems such as the AFro-Dominated Judiciary and security forces. This is all true. How can a head of state be totaltarian when he cannot command the loyalty of the security forces and the judiciary.... too main institutions that are absolutely necessary in controlling a society. You cannot be dictator in any country if you cannot countrol these two main institutions. I did not even mention the press which is free to cuss at government 24 hours a day.

D2, you started well on this forum many moons ago. You were on the right side of things. Today, you have gotten on the wrong track belting out statements that are totally preposterous. You need to take a six month break from this forum. Go sell cassava bread in Richmond Hill or brew paiwari under some basement. It will help you get back your once clear vision. You owe this to yourself.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

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Jagdeo had totalitarian power and acted like a pontiff, micromanaging everything to the exclusion of all other parties, political and civil. That is why the PPP imploded and why the destruction of their patronage system has begun. The only nonsense uttered here is from an addled brained fool with little knowledge of the constitution of our country and the scope of power it awards an executive president and how it can be misused by an individual as Jagdeo.

First of all, the PPP did not implode. It won the elections with almost 49% of the popular votes casted. Secondly, Jagdeo had no balls to govern Guyana they way he ought to. Many in the AFC who were once on the ROAR platform lambasted the Jagdeo for being too soft on the opposition. They said he did not have the political will to deal with the opposition and other problems such as the AFro-Dominated Judiciary and security forces. This is all true. How can a head of state be totaltarian when he cannot command the loyalty of the security forces and the judiciary.... too main institutions that are absolutely necessary in controlling a society. You cannot be dictator in any country if you cannot countrol these two main institutions. I did not even mention the press which is free to cuss at government 24 hours a day.

D2, you started well on this forum many moons ago. You were on the right side of things. Today, you have gotten on the wrong track belting out statements that are totally preposterous. You need to take a six month break from this forum. Go sell cassava bread in Richmond Hill or brew paiwari under some basement. It will help you get back your once clear vision. You owe this to yourself.

Lets be real, the PPP imploded. Given their dire warnings of the present circumstances ( still on this site in a pre elections thread) they saw this as the worse possible scenario and akin to losing. Your concern about Jagdeo's balls is your own. I was concerned with his complete disregard for accountable government.

The PPP is not ROAR. I argued with everyone of ROAR's intellectual cadre and know well their positions. They; were they not concerned with ethnic controlled states in a consociational federation, would have arrived at a great possible solution for us. The AFC has it right. They do not presume they know the totality of any constitutional framework but understands that one is necessary and that the inclusion of civic bodies to frame that work product will get us away from an autocracy.

Jagdeos inability to control the security forces was the core to his decay to abhorrent rule. It allowed him the option secure extrajudicial alliances where he became a part of the murder for hire scheme using a drug lord, Roger Khan. We have a free press in name. It can be easily dominated by a state propaganda machinery and Jagdeo selectively permits pointed queries to his authority or offered explanations for his decisions.

I am not different from when I started on this site. My views are filtered by the same philosophical constraints and while then they looked at the PPP with hope for a difference they now look at them with contempt for their corrupt political rule.

And why should I sell cassava bread or piwari? Is that the supposed expectation of an Amerind? Well I am educated and I am quite capable of earning monies from a myriad of sources all on the ground of my intellect alone. However, if piwari and cassava bread could be a substantial earning resource I do not mind selling that either. You and a thousand other miserable racists would never ever make me feel bad about who I am and who my people are.

That is because I can always remind you to respect your ancestors ability to crawl on hands on knees to the light because our homeworld alone was enough to lift them from a 6000 years enslavement as untouchables. Yes; pay homage to us for being able to breathe in a free world. All that piwari crapola is just a gratuitous ceremony because you removed from your understanding how terrible racism and castism can be. It is the purest of the low lives among your kind that would take pleasure to pretend you can humiliate another on some metrics of superiority. I suggest you get in-touch with your inner self and see what beauty resides in this new synthetic Indian culture that your fore parents forged on Guyanese soil.

As for my vision; it is a measure of the best in the Canadian, British and American education systems. Guyana did have a formative hand in it as well. To that end I do a daily metaphorical puja to my Amerind mother. I am the shape of the clay she molded with her hands

Lets be real, the PPP imploded. Given their dire warnings of the present circumstances ( still on this site in a pre elections thread) they saw this as the worse possible scenario and akin to losing. Your concern about Jagdeo's balls is your own. I was concerned with his complete disregard for accountable government.

The PPP is not ROAR. I argued with everyone of ROAR's intellectual cadre and know well their positions. They; were they not concerned with ethnic controlled states in a consociational federation, would have arrived at a great possible solution for us. The AFC has it right. They do not presume they know the totality of any constitutional framework but understands that one is necessary and that the inclusion of civic bodies to frame that work product will get us away from an autocracy.

Jagdeos inability to control the security forces was the core to his decay to abhorrent rule. It allowed him the option secure extrajudicial alliances where he became a part of the murder for hire scheme using a drug lord, Roger Khan. We have a free press in name. It can be easily dominated by a state propaganda machinery and Jagdeo selectively permits pointed queries to his authority or offered explanations for his decisions.

I am nor different from when I started ont his site, My views are filtered by the same philosophical constraints and while then they looked at the PPP with hope for a difference they now look at them with contempt for their corrupt political decadence.

And why should I sell cassava bread or piwari? Is that the supposed expectation of an Amerind? Well I am educated, I am quite capable of earning monies from a myriad of sources all on the ground of my intellect. However, if piwari and cassava bread could be a substantial earning resources I do not mind selling that either. You and a thousand other miserable racists would never ever make me feel bad about who I am and who my people are.

That is because I can always remind you to respect your ancestors ability to crawl on hands on knees to the light because our homeworld alone was enough to lift them from a 6000 years enslavement as untouchables. Yes; pay homage to us for being able to breathe in a free world. All that piwari crapola is just a gratuitous ceremony because you remove from your understanding how terrible racism and castism can be. It is the purest of low lives among your kind that would take pleasure to pretend you can humiliate another on some merit of superiority. I suggest you get in-touch with your inner self and see what beauty resides is this new synthetic Indian culture that your fore parents forged on Guyanese soil.

As for my vision; it is a measure of the best in the Canadian, British and American education system. Guyana did have a formative hand in it as well. To that ends I do a daily metaphorical puja to my Amerind mother.[/QUOTE]


Have you ever experienced caste discrimnation in Guyana?

India's ancient caste system resembles the social hiearchy of Britain. Churchill was an admirer of a layered society, especially where kings and queens ruled. India was fascinating to the British. It's efficient village economy and the peaceful order of its society with the priestly caste (Brahmin) has never been fully understood by wEstern Scholars. Kings and Queens are usually at the top of the hierarchy, but not in ancient India. Just a hundred years ago, most of Europe was governed by kings and Queens. The freedom you enjoy in Western Society today came about as a result of struggle by men with great minds. It was not always like that. Every society evolves itself over time and India is no different. Change maybe slow but it is changing. It took independent India under Nehru to outlaw the caste system while the British strenghtened it officially with laws to further own self-interest as a colonial power. Interfering with the system was not in their interest if it meant loss of privileges. The Whiteman sat at the top of everyone while hypocritically speaking of democracy, rule of law, and respect for individual rights. Why don't you go back and study the Portugese use of the Mondacaru tribes on the Amazon to decimate other tribes to exploit the resources of the Jungle? The Hindu caste system has been criticized by many Indian scholars back in the 19th century, from Dianana, Vikenananda, and others. The Arya Samaj faith rejected the caste system to the extent where anyone can qualify to be priest once he/she has the qualifications, temperament, and character . The context in which you criticize the horrible caste system is truly meant to appeal to the emotions and prejudices of Anti-Indian racist elements in Guyana. This is artful demagoguery. I do not subscribe to any system that discriminates. Caste discrimination is tantamount to racism in the West.

The India that the West discovered had a thriving culture and written language. Cities and School of learning to propagate the religious beliefs were well respected. India was never all about hunger and starvation and oppression of the lower caste by those at the top. Likewise, Western Societies, where you have been educated, was never all about progress and learning and being civilized to the high heavens. Europes history has been one of war and severe repressions of people against people. Think about the holocaust and what preceded for centuries. You need to take a good at others before you heap scorn on a people who are today rising like China. Chinese and Hindu entreprenuers are most successful in the diaspora.

BTW, the AFC attracted votes from one race. They can be classified as Indian party. Who chased the Afro-voters from AFC? Want to take a shot at that?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Lets be real, the PPP imploded. Given their dire warnings of the present circumstances ( still on this site in a pre elections thread) they saw this as the worse possible scenario and akin to losing. Your concern about Jagdeo's balls is your own. I was concerned with his complete disregard for accountable government.

The PPP is not ROAR. I argued with everyone of ROAR's intellectual cadre and know well their positions. They; were they not concerned with ethnic controlled states in a consociational federation, would have arrived at a great possible solution for us. The AFC has it right. They do not presume they know the totality of any constitutional framework but understands that one is necessary and that the inclusion of civic bodies to frame that work product will get us away from an autocracy.

Jagdeos inability to control the security forces was the core to his decay to abhorrent rule. It allowed him the option secure extrajudicial alliances where he became a part of the murder for hire scheme using a drug lord, Roger Khan. We have a free press in name. It can be easily dominated by a state propaganda machinery and Jagdeo selectively permits pointed queries to his authority or offered explanations for his decisions.

I am nor different from when I started ont his site, My views are filtered by the same philosophical constraints and while then they looked at the PPP with hope for a difference they now look at them with contempt for their corrupt political decadence.

And why should I sell cassava bread or piwari? Is that the supposed expectation of an Amerind? Well I am educated, I am quite capable of earning monies from a myriad of sources all on the ground of my intellect. However, if piwari and cassava bread could be a substantial earning resources I do not mind selling that either. You and a thousand other miserable racists would never ever make me feel bad about who I am and who my people are.

That is because I can always remind you to respect your ancestors ability to crawl on hands on knees to the light because our homeworld alone was enough to lift them from a 6000 years enslavement as untouchables. Yes; pay homage to us for being able to breathe in a free world. All that piwari crapola is just a gratuitous ceremony because you remove from your understanding how terrible racism and castism can be. It is the purest of low lives among your kind that would take pleasure to pretend you can humiliate another on some merit of superiority. I suggest you get in-touch with your inner self and see what beauty resides is this new synthetic Indian culture that your fore parents forged on Guyanese soil.

As for my vision; it is a measure of the best in the Canadian, British and American education system. Guyana did have a formative hand in it as well. To that ends I do a daily metaphorical puja to my Amerind mother.

Have you ever experienced caste discrimnation in Guyana?

India's ancient caste system resembles the social hiearchy of Britain. Churchill was an admirer of a layered society, especially where kings and queens ruled. India was fascinating to the British. It's efficient village economy and the peaceful order of its society with the priestly caste (Brahmin) has never been fully understood by wEstern Scholars. Kings and Queens are usually at the top of the hierarchy, but not in ancient India. Just a hundred years ago, most of Europe was governed by kings and Queens. The freedom you enjoy in Western Society today came about as a result of struggle by men with great minds. It was not always like that. Every society evolves itself over time and India is no different. Change maybe slow but it is changing. It took independent India under Nehru to outlaw the caste system while the British strenghtened it officially with laws to further own self-interest as a colonial power. Interfering with the system was not in their interest if it meant loss of privileges. The Whiteman sat at the top of everyone while hypocritically speaking of democracy, rule of law, and respect for individual rights. Why don't you go back and study the Portugese use of the Mondacaru tribes on the Amazon to decimate other tribes to exploit the resources of the Jungle? The Hindu caste system has been criticized by many Indian scholars back in the 19th century, from Dianana, Vikenananda, and others. The Arya Samaj faith rejected the caste system to the extent where anyone can qualify to be priest once he/she has the qualifications, temperament, and character . The context in which you criticize the horrible caste system is truly meant to appeal to the emotions and prejudices of Anti-Indian racist elements in Guyana. This is artful demagoguery. I do not subscribe to any system that discriminates. Caste discrimination is tantamount to racism in the West.

The India that the West discovered had a thriving culture and written language. Cities and School of learning to propagate the religious beliefs were well respected. India was never all about hunger and starvation and oppression of the lower caste by those at the top. Likewise, Western Societies, where you have been educated, was never all about progress and learning and being civilized to the high heavens. Europes history has been one of war and severe repressions of people against people. Think about the holocaust and what preceded for centuries. You need to take a good at others before you heap scorn on a people who are today rising like China. Chinese and Hindu entreprenuers are most successful in the diaspora.

BTW, the AFC attracted votes from one race. They can be classified as Indian party. Who chased the Afro-voters from AFC? Want to take a shot at that?

I can say with clarity I never understood the contempt some Indians had for my "buck" mother and had my daddy not been a wealthy man I am sure at times the village folks where she stayed for awhile would have flayed her in the streets just for being who she was.

Yes I saw racism, lived with it and your view that cassava bread and piwari as my lot reflects a parochialism that is no less than what those simple village folks displayed towards my mother. And like her, with respect to the village folks, your knowledge of my aptitude means little to you and it is that easy clinging to a contemptuous racist view that is troubling. You are not unique to that.It is a curse of the hapless.

I care little to engage you in a history of Indian struggle against colonialism or the nature of castism itself. My concern is yours and others persistent racism with respect to Amerinds. Address that first and then we can go to the rest.

I suggest you look at the polling data and reassess your view as to who voted for the AFC.

D2,

Stop pretending to be a victim of Indian Racism. Your story does not sound credible. Indians are the most tolerant people in Guyana. I worked with Amerindians in ranches from Essequibo to Berbice and I have never witnessed Indians discriminating against them. They would eat and drink at the homes of East Indian people just like any other people.

I recall working with an Amerindian called "Big One" in Dobson Ranch (Kabawer Cattle Ranch) 14 miles from Blairmont Sugar Estate. He had a great deal of respect for East Indians mainly because of the way he was treated. Please stop fabricating stories of racism.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
D2,

Stop pretending to be a victim of Indian Racism. Your story does not sound credible. Indians are the most tolerant people in Guyana. I worked with Amerindians in ranches from Essequibo to Berbice and I have never witnessed Indians discriminating against them. They would eat and drink at the homes of East Indian people just like any other people.

I recall working with an Amerindian called "Big One" in Dobson Ranch (Kabawer Cattle Ranch) 14 miles from Blairmont Sugar Estate. He had a great deal of respect for East Indians mainly because of the way he was treated. Please stop fabricating stories of racism.

Are you so without any semblance of moral grounding that you would presume the rest of us stupid that your use of the analogy of me selling cassava bread and piwari is just a casual common conversational happenstance? You are a bloody bigot and believes that gives you a measure of solace outside of dealing with what I stated. After all, buck people are not smart so piwari is our lot.

I do not have to pretend racism against amerinds exists. The reality of their experience will speak to that. I do not give an damn if you say you and the PPP are saints but if your actions speak different I confront it. I do not sell cassava bread and piwari and the two are not items vended together in Guyana. That exists only in your bigoted mind.

I, am not ashamed of my heritage. Your gratuitous attempts at insults will not make me think less of myself or my people. I think less of you.

Further, let me say straight up; Guyanese Indians are some of the most obnoxiously racist people I have ever met. While I have met wonderful Indian people and share great friendships with many, I can state beginning with many my own Indian family, the obsessive preoccupation with race in the Indian community is a disease.

You may wish that away but that remains a fact one can experience in any bar in any city where Indian Guyanese congregate and any who say to the contrary I will gladly call them a liar. I am pleased to say I have also seen our young people confront this disease constantly but you old ****s are the worse.

I was speaking figuratively when I said you should take a break and sell cassava bread or brew Piwari. It merely meant for you to ground with your tradition to relieve an ancient energy that can bring you back to a sort of mental equilibrium. This will help to re-align your warped political mind that has been grazing too long on the GNI barren pasture. You need to re-connect with tradition to free yourself from this mental bondage that you find yourself in. The AFC will die a natural death in the next five years. You don't want to shrivel away with.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I was speaking figuratively when I said you should take a break and sell cassava bread or brew Piwari. It merely meant for you to ground with your tradition to relieve an ancient energy that can bring you back to a sort of mental equilibrium. This will help to re-align your warped political mind that has been grazing too long on the GNI barren pasture. You need to re-connect with tradition to free yourself from this mental bondage that you find yourself in. The AFC will die a natural death in the next five years. You don't want to shrivel away with.

Do not use racist stereotypes when you speak to me. I made it a point to sanitize this board of its aggressive bigotry against Amerind people by taking on all comers for over a decade so you will not get a pass. I do not speak to any in that way so your use of it to address me could only come from that dark place that oppresses my people and casually accepts our young girls as who.res in bars across the coast. The next time you go into one and see the groping hands on our young women ask why they are there. And why in the world would I be disconnected from my Identity? Have you ever fallen out of your Indian skin? Please shut your damn mouth and avoid tripping into another racist quagmire if you do not have a sensible thing to say.

The only mental bondage I am in is that I am forced to confront the intellectually stunted folks like yourself who are blind to concepts of social justice and sees the PPP attitude as sacrosanct. They governed corruptly for 2 decades with nary a comment from many who now screams the AFC ( not yet with a political history) is the worse thing yet! Justice knows no color and judicious rule is not in back rooms of party halls but open to main-street scrutiny. After all, the state belongs to us and not the PPP. I am glad the AFC put a pin to their balloon. Pop goes the weasel!

Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

It is the PPP appointed minister that said they have too much land ( as I said previously, amerinds did not ask others to come in such numbers that they would seem to have too much land compared to this new groups). It is the PPP that re-adjusted the criteria as to what they can have vs that is traditionally theirs by treaties. Yes the PPP trade beads with them for crumbs and that is why they are still 70% in deep poverty and now their communities are threatened with disintegration as the men are forced to leave their areas to eke out a menial living in distant regions leaving their women folks to the mercy of predation. It is under the PPP that small miners begun to invade their areas ( rivers not possible to be claimed under the titled lands) with no regard for the water pollution etc. Yes the PPP has been a curse to native peoples in my opinion.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

It is the PPP appointed minister that said they have too much land ( as I said previously, amerinds did not ask others to come in such numbers that they would seem to have too much land compared to this new groups). It is the PPP that re-adjusted the criteria as to what they can have vs that is traditionally theirs by treaties. Yes the PPP trade beads with them for crumbs and that is why they are still 70% in deep poverty and now their communities are threatened with disintegration as the men are forced to leave their areas to eke out a menial living in distant regions leaving their women folks to the mercy of predation. It is under the PPP that small miners begun to invade their areas ( rivers not possible to be claimed under the titled lands) with no regard for the water pollution etc. Yes the PPP has been a curse to native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

It is the PPP appointed minister that said they have too much land ( as I said previously, amerinds did not ask others to come in such numbers that they would seem to have too much land compared to this new groups). It is the PPP that re-adjusted the criteria as to what they can have vs that is traditionally theirs by treaties. Yes the PPP trade beads with them for crumbs and that is why they are still 70% in deep poverty and now their communities are threatened with disintegration as the men are forced to leave their areas to eke out a menial living in distant regions leaving their women folks to the mercy of predation. It is under the PPP that small miners begun to invade their areas ( rivers not possible to be claimed under the titled lands) with no regard for the water pollution etc. Yes the PPP has been a curse to native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour

My dog walker would be insulted if you make that offer to her.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

It is the PPP appointed minister that said they have too much land ( as I said previously, amerinds did not ask others to come in such numbers that they would seem to have too much land compared to this new groups). It is the PPP that re-adjusted the criteria as to what they can have vs that is traditionally theirs by treaties. Yes the PPP trade beads with them for crumbs and that is why they are still 70% in deep poverty and now their communities are threatened with disintegration as the men are forced to leave their areas to eke out a menial living in distant regions leaving their women folks to the mercy of predation. It is under the PPP that small miners begun to invade their areas ( rivers not possible to be claimed under the titled lands) with no regard for the water pollution etc. Yes the PPP has been a curse to native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour

My dog walker would be insulted if you make that offer to her.

come on it's still better than sitting in dat ole home ans sucking off the state...you parasite...come on and send me yu damm resume ..ah promise fu get yu a job...not fu you so much but fu the state and hard working people who you sucking...dog walker..you gann drinking paiwari again EH??

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Girls from all races are in prostitution. The Gov't of Guyana does not encourage it. Amerindians have been given titles to thousands of acres of land. This will help uplift them socially and economically. Amerindian farmers are thriving in the Laluni area up the highway. More plantains, egg plants, pumpkins and other crops are coming out of this area than Black Bush Polder. Stop trying to make people believe they (Amerin) are being punished by the PPP gov't. Absolute garbage.

It is the PPP appointed minister that said they have too much land ( as I said previously, amerinds did not ask others to come in such numbers that they would seem to have too much land compared to this new groups). It is the PPP that re-adjusted the criteria as to what they can have vs that is traditionally theirs by treaties. Yes the PPP trade beads with them for crumbs and that is why they are still 70% in deep poverty and now their communities are threatened with disintegration as the men are forced to leave their areas to eke out a menial living in distant regions leaving their women folks to the mercy of predation. It is under the PPP that small miners begun to invade their areas ( rivers not possible to be claimed under the titled lands) with no regard for the water pollution etc. Yes the PPP has been a curse to native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour

My dog walker would be insulted if you make that offer to her.

come on it's still better than sitting in dat ole home ans sucking off the state...you parasite...come on and send me yu damm resume ..ah promise fu get yu a job...not fu you so much but fu the state and hard working people who you sucking...dog walker..you gann drinking
paiwari again EH??

I believe you mistake me for your kin. Sorry, state welfare is what your buddy is going down on for scamming the government in crooked loans. I guess you will need to save the job for him when he gets out in 15.

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Originally posted by D2:
native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour[/QUOTE] My dog walker would be insulted if you make that offer to her.[/QUOTE]

come on it's still better than sitting in dat ole home ans sucking off the state...you parasite...come on and send me yu damm resume ..ah promise fu get yu a job...not fu you so much but fu the state and hard working people who you sucking...dog walker..you gann drinking
paiwari again EH??[/QUOTE] I believe you mistake me for your kin. Sorry, state welfare is what your buddy is going down on for scamming the government in crooked loans. I guess you will need to save the job for him when he gets out in 15.[/QUOTE]

my buddy will walk away from this...but you will still be sucking off the state and hard working people...you low life bastard talking about dog walker like if you even gat a dog in that assisted living quarters...look naa feel shame man send me yu resume...just ease the state lil.

Aright, now back to Iran readies to give colonialist powers a final and deadly blow


I thought we woulda bombed these guys by now and taken away their destructive toys.

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Originally posted by cain:
Aright, now back to Iran readies to give colonialist powers a final and deadly blow


I thought we woulda bombed these guys by now and taken away their destructive toys.

OHH it's ok now to kill innocent people now rite....Iran sey dem ready...yall play big and bad and do something.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:
native peoples in my opinion.

send me yu resume quick..ah get a lil wuk fu you..staating at 10:50 an hour

My dog walker would be insulted if you make that offer to her.

come on it's still better than sitting in dat ole home ans sucking off the state...you parasite...come on and send me yu damm resume ..ah promise fu get yu a job...not fu you so much but fu the state and hard working people who you sucking...dog walker..you gann drinking
paiwari again EH??

I believe you mistake me for your kin. Sorry, state welfare is what your buddy is going down on for scamming the government in crooked loans. I guess you will need to save the job for him when he gets out in 15.[/QUOTE]

my buddy will walk away from this...but you will still be sucking off the state and hard working people...you low life bastard talking about dog walker like if you even gat a dog in that assisted living quarters...look naa feel shame man send me yu resume...just ease the state lil.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] You can imagine me in any living condition. His behind is going to be bubba's butt boy for real!