Them folks ain't getting rich on cane cutting jobs. They will now flee to the Islands and soon have caribJ brothers working for them as store clerk. 

GTAngler posted:

I was trying to stay from anything very political but ........here goes. I have said this before. Sugar in it's current and previous state is NOT profitable. The PPP subsidized the sugar industry heavily. It needs to be restructured. Something which is being done now and which that Jagass knew but didn't do anything because he didn't want to lose his power base. Now he's lying to the workers again and using them. Why doesn't he tell them the truth? And this is the man you simpletons want to run Guyana again? He in an unscrupulous, lying, nasty, poor excuse for a human being, bastard who only has HIS and the interests of his cronies at heart.

Nonsense and simplistic.  Sugar, in the larger macro-economic sense, is still very viable.   Sugar is viable for the same reason Ganger pushing for the cultivation of local potatoes.  The PNC can only fool the dumb.  The move by the PNC to strangle and kill of sugar is a "final solution", as Hitler put it, to the "Indian problem" in Guyana.

This is racist ethnic cleansing at it's best using Sugar and the smoke screen!

Baseman, next move apartheid. Lol You all get your boat ready to sail for UP.

FC posted:

Baseman, next move apartheid. Lol You all get your boat ready to sail for UP.

We ain't getting no boat and going anywhere.  The first PNC apartheid came and went with much suffering, but the Indian remained standing and unbroken!  This PNC attempt at apartheid will also falter!

alena06 posted:

. Anyways, PNC has already decided to sell them all.

So then those who scream that sugar is profitable can then go and buy these lands, and these factories. What cannot happen is an unending litany of subsidies.

Drugb posted:

Them folks ain't getting rich on cane cutting jobs. They will now flee to the Islands and soon have caribJ brothers working for them as store clerk. 

Druggie why don't you name all of these Indo Guyanese owned businesses that Bajans will work for. Gafoors, yes, and what else.

To the contrary its the Bajans who hire your folks as cheap labor.  And use the women is bedroom entertainment as well.  This enrages both Bajan women, and Indo Guyanese men.

ba$eman posted:

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Nonsense and simplistic.  Sugar, in the larger macro-economic sense, is still very viable.   .!

How. The costs are double the revenues?  And the market is being lost?

Who is going to continue to subsidize sugar.  If sugar is good why don't you organize a consortium and buy it out. 

A poor country cannot run up its indebtedness to keep a failing industry alive, at least that is what Jagdeo said when it was blacks who were going to lose their jobs.

ba$eman posted:

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We ain't getting no boat and going anywhere.  The first PNC apartheid came and went with much suffering, but the Indian remained standing and unbroken! .!

And then they fled when the PPP came to power. In 1970 Indians were 51% of the population, falling to 49% by 1991. By 2012 they were only 40% of the population.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

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At least, I am not calling everyone who doesn't look like me - Indo KKK!

Bibi you are an Indo KKK, so is baseman, yuji, cobra and some others. Kari isn't, neither are Chief, gilbakka, Django, or riff raff.

Even GTAngler seems to consider some of you as possible racists, now that he has come to know you all better.

GTAngler posted:

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Exactly. The difference is, one side admits and the other denies. Nowhere have I said that Granger has all the answers. Let's see what happens in the remainder of his term. But give him a fair chance and don't blame the previous administrations follies on him.

I will support you here. Just yesterday you said that if Granger fails he should be tossed out, clearly suggesting some growing concerns.

There is not ONE person on GNI who is an uncritical support of Granger. Bibi needs to examine her unrelenting love for Jagdeo.  She is virtually his PR agent.

alena06 posted:

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Having said that, we should have come up with a plan for the thousands of workers who will practically be starving when the Estates are all sold.  We NEED a plan to create jobs where those affected can be retrained to leverage their skills to make a few dollars to put bread on the table.  Neither Government has proven that they are interested in such a plan and they have both failed the people and themselves.

 

Let us also examine within our souls why the same compassion was NEVER expressed for bauxite workers.  Yes we heard about their ingratitude and laziness.  The little concession they got with cheaper electricity, no doubt offset by higher costs for other products, raised all sorts of animosity with some jumping for joy when they were gunned down a few years ago.

Solutions for sugar workers are easier as the lands can be made available to them with support to assist a transition to other forms of agriculture. Guyana can do what Mauritius did and that is to transition sugar away from raw exports to specialty products and energy.

Django posted:

 

In one breath not sure the idea is feasible,having no clue blame the PNC,sell it government should not be in Business,from day one Nationalization was a bad move by the commies.

And even if it must be owned by gov't it should be contracted out to private sector interests.  Bookers reversed the destruction of the Burnham era, and then Jagdeo tossed them out and sent Guysuco right back into a path of decay.  And after US$800 million spent when subsidies, guaranteed loans, and amounts owed to local suppliers is factored in.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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We ain't getting no boat and going anywhere.  The first PNC apartheid came and went with much suffering, but the Indian remained standing and unbroken! .!

And then they fled when the PPP came to power. In 1970 Indians were 51% of the population, falling to 49% by 1991. By 2012 they were only 40% of the population.

I have no problem with people getting out of Granger's hell hole.  Indians or anyone else.  Burnham's ethnic cleansing chased out blacks as well as Indians.  If people can run away and find a better life elsewhere, let it be.  Humans have an instinct for survival.  Let the chips fall where they may.

GTAngler posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

  He is too dumb to realize that Ramotar was the last PPP president and not Jagdeo.

That's your stand? Everybody with a brain knows that Ramoutar was a rubber stamp.

Here is the issue.

1. Jagdeo was president de jure from 2000 to 2011 and de facto up to 2015.  The fact that he was able to toss out Ramotar after the election loss, and with no protest attests to his power.

2.  Jagdeo is the leader of the opposition currently, so should be behaving responsibly. Rather than raising racial animosity with his poor disguiued innuendos he should be advocating for the sugar workers, coming up with real solutions. Jagdeo knows full well that long ago they planned to shut down sugar in Demerara and focus it in Berbice, based around the Skeldon factory. So why hide it?  Clearly the PPP should have been transitioning the Demerara sugar workers  LOONG ago.

3. Jagdeo screams that he wants to be president after 2020 so what his past record is very relevant.

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

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At least, I am not calling everyone who doesn't look like me - Indo KKK!

Bibi you are an Indo KKK, so is baseman, yuji, cobra and some others. Kari isn't, neither are Chief, gilbakka, Django, or riff raff.

Even GTAngler seems to consider some of you as possible racists, now that he has come to know you all better.

Conclusion:  PNC Indians are not racists!  PPP Indians are racists!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

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At least, I am not calling everyone who doesn't look like me - Indo KKK!

Bibi you are an Indo KKK, so is baseman, yuji, cobra and some others. Kari isn't, neither are Chief, gilbakka, Django, or riff raff.

Even GTAngler seems to consider some of you as possible racists, now that he has come to know you all better.

Conclusion:  PNC Indians are not racists!  PPP Indians are racists!

Its is your Indo KKK mentality which informs you that any Indian who isn't enslaved by the PPP is a PNC Indian.

As to the PPP. Well their record of racism stands and even Luncheon cannot defend them against this.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

Them folks ain't getting rich on cane cutting jobs. They will now flee to the Islands and soon have caribJ brothers working for them as store clerk. 

Druggie why don't you name all of these Indo Guyanese owned businesses that Bajans will work for. Gafoors, yes, and what else.

To the contrary its the Bajans who hire your folks as cheap labor.  And use the women is bedroom entertainment as well.  This enrages both Bajan women, and Indo Guyanese men.

Cribby, we all are aware of your vendetta against Indians ever since that incident with the Indian woman 10 years ago. You make up stories about Indians washing Bajan bottoms etc. However thankfully these lies were debunked by forum members who actually visited Barbadoes and saw for themselves that Black Bajans were working for Indians. Indians will start out with a lil roti shop and in a matter of a few years will be owning a supermarket. 

Druggie sex workers in the red light district in St Maarten are Guyanese Indians women.  Plus many who have moved there do work that they would not do in Guyana like cleaning drains. So stop spreading falsities about Guyanese living in the islands.  In Trinidad they live in abondoned tanker containers and are treated with scorn by Trinidadians of Indian origin.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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We ain't getting no boat and going anywhere.  The first PNC apartheid came and went with much suffering, but the Indian remained standing and unbroken! .!

And then they fled when the PPP came to power. In 1970 Indians were 51% of the population, falling to 49% by 1991. By 2012 they were only 40% of the population.

I have no problem with people getting out of Granger's hell hole.  Indians or anyone else.  Burnham's ethnic cleansing chased out blacks as well as Indians.  If people can run away and find a better life elsewhere, let it be.  Humans have an instinct for survival.  Let the chips fall where they may.

I wonder why you left and never served a day under the Jagdeo PPP? When you taught at Bygeval, that would be very early in your career.

Guyanese living in abandoned oil tank

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

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Nonsense and simplistic.  Sugar, in the larger macro-economic sense, is still very viable.   .!

How. The costs are double the revenues?  And the market is being lost?

Who is going to continue to subsidize sugar.  If sugar is good why don't you organize a consortium and buy it out. 

A poor country cannot run up its indebtedness to keep a failing industry alive, at least that is what Jagdeo said when it was blacks who were going to lose their jobs.

You cannot just look at it like that.  The input cost are almost all local currency, costs incurred in GYD.  Even the energy comes from burning the crushed cane.  There are very little import costs coming into the system!  On the contrary, the earnings are mainly Forex and Hard currency!  This is used to bring basic industrial material into Guyana to create multiple times the value of itself.  Without this, a lot of industrial material shortages could occur putting the brakes on industrial output.  Furthermore, the Fx shortage will create further GYD devaluation causing local inflation and increase the prices of anything with a Forex cost input component.

Tell me, what plans does Granger have for potatoes, which will be produced at a cost higher then available on the global spot market?  I can tell you, he will add duties on imports and likely use funds to provide a back-stop to local farmers.  The value proposition here is the savings of Forex.  This could then be diverted to higher value-added imports!  He will directly and indirectly subsidize local potato production!

Caribj, I'm not saying dismantling sugar is bad only because Indian workers are directly affected.  It will affect everyone as the nation loses this vital Forex stream!  Those rustic [coolie] cane cutters pay the bills/costs of many of your brethren in civil and service sectors!  You need to pay heed!  Your brethren will be left with white mouth.  Caribj, racism does not pay!  It did not pay the first time, it will not pay this time!

Nice post there Mr. Baseman. Much appreciated.