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In the coming decades after all the gerrymandering is over, this report will be an important document in the annals of Guyana's history. It is objective and is a testament to the government's desire for transparency, at least in this instance. The next logical steps in transparency is disclosure of income, assets of govt and opposition officials. Also a civilian review board, the success of this inquiry suggests it should be made up of members of the Caribbean countries. There is hope yet for Guyana. Some see the glass half empty, I see it half full. 

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

President will go down as the GREATEST PRESIDENT of Guyana.

yOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT JAGDEO.

Jagdeo tamed the vultures, dragons and terrorists, which made him great in that light.  Ramotar's role now is to build on that and create a better civil society.  It was because of BJ's accomplishments Linden and Agricola did not spin out of control.  No one is perfect but the trajectory is one direction. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

President will go down as the GREATEST PRESIDENT of Guyana.

yOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT JAGDEO.

Jagdeo tamed the vultures, dragons and terrorists, which made him great in that light.  Ramotar's role now is to build on that and create a better civil society.  It was because of BJ's accomplishments Linden and Agricola did not spin out of control.  No one is perfect but the trajectory is one direction. 

Jagdeo is going down in history as a classic case of the ignorant and uninformed given the helm of a state by a party cabal and who excelled at turning it into a kleptocratic society. He is the chief architect of the fatted calves Klan in the PPP.

 

His lack of depth allowed a progressive built up of backwoods insurgency that came out of a prison gang and not where  anything  such is usually located; reactionary fermentation of intellectual displeasure turned to violence. Had it been the black middle class and the political culture of black political hacks turned against him the PPP would have been history. 

 

And what was his responsible to this? Instead of seeking the appropriate legal redress he sought out a drug lord and used him as an instrument of state law enforcement to murder his enemies. We now have the legacy of an elected government murdering its own citizens within the jurisdiction of our state.

 

This man will go down as a leader who lacked the talent to lead; an uncreative hack who saw the scourge of a drug culture rise to dominate our society. Under his watch it became vogue for the PPP to flash cash as a an emblem of its success and to rabidly appeal to ethnic victimization  and the embrace the dictatorial burnhamite constitution as its justification for being. In short, he criminalized the party, destroyed its ethic, trampled on its ideological foundation and reasons for being  and left it in  a morass of disrepute.

FM
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Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

President will go down as the GREATEST PRESIDENT of Guyana.

He is well on his way to being one we forget ...

We = Stormborn, Stormborn, and Stormborn.

Indeed, we are a clan, Stormborns...we are forged in the corrupt crucible of the despotic PPP regime. And we will be that mighty wind, that strom force convergence of the elements into a perfect clenching dynamism for change to wash those crooks  into the sewer where they belong....happy

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

President will go down as the GREATEST PRESIDENT of Guyana.

He is well on his way to being one we forget ...

We = Stormborn, Stormborn, and Stormborn.

Indeed, we are a clan, Stormborns...we are forged in the corrupt crucible of the despotic PPP regime. And we will be that mighty wind, that strom force convergence of the elements into a perfect clenching dynamism for change to wash those crooks  into the sewer where they belong....happy

HEHEHE Who deh RASSS NEED jAY lENO.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

President will go down as the GREATEST PRESIDENT of Guyana.

He is well on his way to being one we forget ...

We = Stormborn, Stormborn, and Stormborn.

Indeed, we are a clan, Stormborns...we are forged in the corrupt crucible of the despotic PPP regime.

 

And we will be that mighty wind, that strom force convergence of the elements into a perfect clenching dynamism for change to wash those crooks into the sewer where they belong....happy

Stormborn tries again to rise on his wet soggy clay legs in the sewer desperately wishing that he is invincible.

FM
Linden CoI findsâ€Ķ : Police did not act solely in govt’s interest : --Blames violence on protest organisersPDFPrintE-mail
 
Saturday, 02 March 2013 22:00

THE Commission set up to enquire into the events of July 18 last at Linden, Region 10, has completed its work, and its findings have been compiled into a report which has been delivered to His Excellency President Donald Ramotar. That report has reaffirmed that there is no evidence to support the view of the persons who testified that the police behaved “as agents of the government, acting solely in the interest of the government, and by extension the political party forming the administration.”

The eminent commissioners thus concluded: “There was no concrete evidence before us to substantiate that view.” Instead, the commissioners laid blame for the unfortunate incidents that transpired at the Wismar/Mackenzie Bridge squarely at the feet of the organisers of the planned, five-day protest action.

Led by Former Jamaican Chief Justice Mr Lensley Wolfe, the commissioners in fact chided A Partnership for National Unity’s (APNU’s) Member of Parliament Desmond Trotman, who had held the view that the police should not have intervened to quell the unlawful actions taking place.

That attempt by the police to clear the Wismar/Mackenzie Bridge was met with a hostile crowd, and resulted in the fatal shootings; but according to the commissioners’ findings, it was the breaching of the conditions that accompanied the permission granted to the organisers of the march that served as the catalyst for the mayhem.

The commissioners concluded that the breaching of the conditions accepted by the organisers “was the birth of the ensuing problems.”

The commissioners found that permission was granted to the organisers of the march, but “with conditions attached to ensure that the rights of the citizens were balanced.”

In reference to the protection of freedoms and a right to demonstrate peacefully, as guaranteed by the Guyana Constitution, its framers enshrined that this is not an absolute right, according to the commissioners.  

The report said that APNU’s Parliamentarian Desmond Trotman, who was at the scene at the time, “stubbornly refused to accept that the protesters had resorted to unlawful means to carry out what would otherwise have been a lawful endeavour.”

The report documents that “to him, the police ought not to have intervened, because the protest was for a just cause.”

The commissioners said in response to Trotman’s action and posture that “the justice of a cause seldom, if ever, justifies a breach of the Constitution; and certainly, in this situation, we are of the view that, whilst we empathise with the citizens, resorting to unlawful means could not have been condoned by the police.”

In deciphering the evidence that had been presented to the Commission of Inquiry during the weeks of gruelling testimony, the commissioners found that, “from all accounts, the acts of violence and destruction that immediately followed the shootings on July 18th were committed by unidentified protestors.”

The Linmine Secretariat was torched, and burned for several hours as ranks of the Guyana Fire Service were prevented access to the scene. The commissioners conclude that, based on the evidence presented, it is apparent that the burning of the state-owned Linmine Secretariat building and the attempt to burn down the Peoples Progresssive Party building which occurred after 7.00 pm “suggests that this was in reaction to the shootings which would have occurred just prior to these actions.

“The evidence of the fire officials, that when they attempted to proceed to the address of the Secretariat they came under attack from protestors who threw stones, bottles and other missiles at them in the vicinity of Five Corner and Washer Pond Road, supports the contention that it was the protestors who engaged in violence immediately after the shootings of July 18th.”, the commissioners concluded.

 

Taken from the Guyana Chronicle

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

In the coming decades after all the gerrymandering is over, this report will be an important document in the annals of Guyana's history. It is objective and is a testament to the government's desire for transparency, at least in this instance. The next logical steps in transparency is disclosure of income, assets of govt and opposition officials. Also a civilian review board, the success of this inquiry suggests it should be made up of members of the Caribbean countries. There is hope yet for Guyana. Some see the glass half empty, I see it half full. 

Well said.

 

The government should now begin criminal and civil action against the responsible individuals. The death penalty should be applied in this case.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

In the coming decades after all the gerrymandering is over, this report will be an important document in the annals of Guyana's history. It is objective and is a testament to the government's desire for transparency, at least in this instance. The next logical steps in transparency is disclosure of income, assets of govt and opposition officials. Also a civilian review board, the success of this inquiry suggests it should be made up of members of the Caribbean countries. There is hope yet for Guyana. Some see the glass half empty, I see it half full. 

Well said.

 

The government should now begin criminal and civil action against the responsible individuals. The death penalty should be applied in this case.

 The government knows implicitly its officers murdered those people. They will not risk a court of law where different rules apply and interrogation for fact finding is a different matter.

 

They are happy with the spin here and will gladly let this stay where it is and have the option to claim they are victims of opposition excesses.

 

FM

i donot know about the people that get kill in linden but if that police officer kill any child of mind my brother or sister i will kill him you can take that to the bank this is one of the main reason i leave guyana you ppp low life have the police killing people so you can stay in power and do as you like well until the day sheep become men

FM

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992. Today they are great defenders of the bastardized Constitution when it serves their purpose to defend one of the most debased HA ministers in the country's history. Incidentally the same bastardized Constitution calls for an establishment of an independent procurement commission. Expect that part of it never to be implemented.  

FM

the ppp have a gift in this contutition how long guyana have this contutition it will always be the worse country in the caribbean the oppsition have to start buying guns and start killing people then is when the government will listen there is one passage in the koran i belive in there is more true in the tip of a sword that in a thousand words 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

In the coming decades after all the gerrymandering is over, this report will be an important document in the annals of Guyana's history. It is objective and is a testament to the government's desire for transparency, at least in this instance. The next logical steps in transparency is disclosure of income, assets of govt and opposition officials. Also a civilian review board, the success of this inquiry suggests it should be made up of members of the Caribbean countries. There is hope yet for Guyana. Some see the glass half empty, I see it half full. 

Well said.

 

The government should now begin criminal and civil action against the responsible individuals. The death penalty should be applied in this case.

 The government knows implicitly its officers murdered those people. They will not risk a court of law where different rules apply and interrogation for fact finding is a different matter.

 

They are happy with the spin here and will gladly let this stay where it is and have the option to claim they are victims of opposition excesses.

 

The COI reports clearly stated that the bullets from the deceased were not the ones used by the Police. Now run away and stop spreading lies. It is there for all to see.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by warrior:

you so right the people was shooting themself with their fingers what you doing fool is only distroying your country

Yu prappa sthupid. Yu nah see pass yu nose. Go run and play with your hot wheels at granam's house. She is expecting you. 

Skeldon, most of the folks who are criticizing the COI report have not read it but like warrior, they are quick to condemn the PPP.  

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

In the coming decades after all the gerrymandering is over, this report will be an important document in the annals of Guyana's history. It is objective and is a testament to the government's desire for transparency, at least in this instance. The next logical steps in transparency is disclosure of income, assets of govt and opposition officials. Also a civilian review board, the success of this inquiry suggests it should be made up of members of the Caribbean countries. There is hope yet for Guyana. Some see the glass half empty, I see it half full. 

Well said.

 

The government should now begin criminal and civil action against the responsible individuals. The death penalty should be applied in this case.

 The government knows implicitly its officers murdered those people. They will not risk a court of law where different rules apply and interrogation for fact finding is a different matter.

 

They are happy with the spin here and will gladly let this stay where it is and have the option to claim they are victims of opposition excesses.

 

The COI reports clearly stated that the bullets from the deceased were not the ones used by the Police. Now run away and stop spreading lies. It is there for all to see.

The police did not link the bullets to the ones they say they use. But it does not mean they could have used different shells. The People said they were shot by the police and that is more pressing a story.  It is clear the inference is they were shot by the police though there is no direct finding of fact except eyewitness accounts.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

 

2/3 NOT EQUAL TO 51%.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

 

2/3 NOT EQUAL TO 51%.

The AFC cum PNC is hoping to follow Burnham's approach to get about "seventy five percent ( 75 % }" of the votes at the polls.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

 

That IQ 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

 

That IQ 

A fifth rated professor with an IQ problem, weak on math and writing imaginary papers. 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

 

That IQ 

A fifth rated professor with an IQ problem, weak on math and writing imaginary papers. 

==

 

That is not very creative...

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

He has a PhD in economics and that would cover a considerable amount of calculus and probability. I think you are talking about yourself. Otherwise, we can test it on a discussion on the subject. How about something simple, a discussion on mathematics itself. Wanna talk on probability theory? The calculus? How computers do mathematics? Or you can select the topic

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

He has a PhD in economics and that would cover a considerable amount of calculus and probability. I think you are talking about yourself. Otherwise, we can test it on a discussion on the subject. How about something simple, a discussion on mathematics itself. Wanna talk on probability theory? The calculus? How computers do mathematics? Or you can select the topic

You will run to admin like a cry baby so both of you are not worthy of my association. Rev already exposed many of his weakness especially in the area of math, any further defeat will be of great embarrassment to both of you.

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:

The PPP invested great effort to claim its legitimacy by using the bastardized Burnham Constitution, against which it fought great battles pre-1992.

Again, at least, two-thirds of the MPs are needed to vote for the changes to the Constitution.

 

When has the AFC cum PNC, with about 51% of the MPs, taken the initiatives to make the necessary amendments?

DG

 

The man is a bit weak on math. 

He has a PhD in economics and that would cover a considerable amount of calculus and probability. I think you are talking about yourself. Otherwise, we can test it on a discussion on the subject. How about something simple, a discussion on mathematics itself. Wanna talk on probability theory? The calculus? How computers do mathematics? Or you can select the topic

You will run to admin like a cry baby so both of you are not worthy of my association. Rev already exposed many of his weakness especially in the area of math, any further defeat will be of great embarrassment to both of you.

 

===

 

 

 Only you with your IQ can figure out Rev.

FM

In the Stabroek News online edition which published the report in its entirety the commission said that APNU Parliamentarians Sharma Solomon, Vanessa Kissoon and Desmond Trotman must take blame for the violence and loss of lives which took place following the protest.

"Mr. Sharma Solomon is the Chairman for the Regional Democratic Council Region 10 which includes Linden the person who made the application for permission to stage “a peaceful march”. When questioned he said it did not occur to him that blocking of the Bridge was in breach of the permission which was granted to hold a peaceful march." the report said.

The commission said "This is indicative of the attitude of the organisers of the protest and they must accept some responsibility for what subsequently transpired on the 18th July, 2012 at Linden."

FM

The Police were the only ones found guilty of killing the protestors.

 

From the COI report -

 

Page 24 - 

 

Determine whether the shooting to death of the persons was done by the police detachment on the bridge and if so determined, inquire who gave the order to fire and whether the police had justification for the use of lethal force at the scene.

 

 

Page 35 - 

 

From these factors, one can therefore reasonably conclude that the fatal shooting was done by the Police.

 

Page 85 - 

Summary

 

We believe that the police were responsible for the shooting to death of the three deceased as well as the injuries caused to several other persons at Linden on July 18, 2012

Mars

APNU Parliamentarians , Vanessa Kissoon and Desmond Trotman also Regional Chairman Sharma Solomon must take blame for the violence and loss of lives which took place following the protest.

The commission of Inquiry said "This is indicative of the attitude of the organisers of the protest and they must accept some responsibility for what subsequently transpired on the 18th July, 2012 at Linden".

FM

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