My point is that if you are not willing to hold Christianity responsible for Christians' evil actions, you cannot hold Islam responsible for Muslims; evil actions. To do so would be hypocritical. To remain fair, you would have to hold that Muslims' evil acts are because of their extreme view of Islam just like Christians' evil acts are because of their extreme view of Christianity. Any position other than that is as mentioned earlier hypocritical. I don't mean you here.

How can you hold a religion responsible for the actions of extremists?

The attitudes of many muslims and christians who embrace intolerance is the issue and that is a prevalent problem in many religions.

Is that not a fact? the hate preaching priests, pandits and Imams is the problem is that not correct?

I thought I gave a few examples in my second and third post on this topic. Obviously you missed them.

I get the sense you are trying to assert that extremism does not exist in islam and if that is the case you are talking pure bullshit because it is there as it is in many religions if not all.

This is not limited to ISIS don't only paint ISIS as the only problem.

There are many Guyanese muslims I am telling you here that I have met who have more extreme views than ISIS.

Actually I never hold any religion responsible for the extreme actions of some of their adherents. That is precisely why I was so pointed in my question. The suggestion being made here (and on other Muslim related topics) is that Islam is responsible for these Muslims' actions. I believe that there are good and bad in every community. I like Islam and will always be a Muslim no matter how many Muslims become vagrants. I don't have any problem with others choosing whatever faiths they like or even of they choose not to adhere to any. If you give respect, you get respect from me. Want something otherwise, then do otherwise. Again, not you.

I think the reluctance of Muslims to condemn the violent and extreme views of many extremist muslims may lead persons to the assumption that the religion if responsible for these extremists and the subsequent violence.

Religion and these perceptions of religion in particular are difficult and tough subjects.

But I think many religions and many muslims make the mistake of not condemning these fools publicly and shaming their backside, it leads to the perception that the religion encourages these fools and that is what many should be addressing.

This is why you see many people come out asking well will the muslim community condemn this fool or that fool who commits these heinous acts claiming they are jihadists and all sorts of bullshit. 

My answer unreservedly condemn their backside and you will immediately erase and end the conversation.

I don't think that Islam has extreme views. The prophet taught his companions to follow the middle road and stay away from extreme on either side of the spectrum. They Qur'an constantly teaches about a God who wants us to find the easy way to do things. I was always of the impression that Islam was an easy religion to follow. I don't mean people who don't follow their religion thereby having things easy but people who do complete their religious duties in an easy manner. The extreme is something only non-Muslims know of. How many times have you heard Muslims complaining about their prayer times, fasting of charity? Most of the people who complain about Muslims' prayer times, fasting or charity are non-Muslims.  

This is not about the Prophet or the tenets if islam or any of that. I have many muslims cousins who are in no way violent, My grandfather was a muslim they were very good to me.

But in Islam there are extremists like there are in every religion who create their own interpretation of islam and refer to people as infidels and all sorts of other dehumanizing bullshit.

When dem chickens come home to roost is a different story. But I digress, the bottom line is Muslims need to be more forth coming in condemning these extremists rather than trying to deflect and get defensive about Islam. 

Stop being blind and try to understand what people are saying. No sane person will attack any religion but the actors is a different story.

Actually Muslims have been condemning these acts since the early days of 9/11 but unfortunately those don't reach the evening news. No doubt Muslims needs to do more but I am more surprised that so many people have the impression that Muslims don't condemn these acts.

If it doesn't make it to the mainstream media they are not doing a good enough job. Hire a PR agency.

I think you get my point on that note. Over and out......

If you read between the lines (and in many cases, you don't even have to read between the lines) you will notice that the attention is quickly shifted from the perpetrator to Islam itself.

I don't think so, I think there is misunderstanding on all sides. The onus is again on muslims to educate others.

The Jews were able to successfully overcome being trampled on there are many societies over the years who have successfully overcome negative perceptions. The first step begins at recognizing these negative perceptions exist then do something about it.

Tried and denied. There are many cases where the main street media refuse to give air time to Muslims. They were even denied advertising time on the Super Bowl. The justification is that there were propaganda attempts by Muslims.

Actually Muslims have tried the educate others approach. They were accused of trying to push Islam down others throats.

Bannas i'm done. Do some soul searching.

aarite. Have a good night.

Christians were fed to the lions; they are here today. Blacks were in chains; they are here today. Native Americans lost their landsl they are here today....all as part of this unmixable pot but not actively trying to murder others on account of it.

Islam is forced down the throats when we see riots from Islamabad to Baghdad to Amsterdam to Spain to NYC just because some idiot decide to draw  cartoons and say it is mohamed. Meanwhile, no one took to the streets condemning the destruction of those giant Buddhas in Afghanistan or even care if there is bible burning or open prohibitions of other religions as policy in some muslim states.  I do not give a damn about the bible or the Koran or the Vedas except they are nice stories. If I happen to throw any in the trash or in my fireplace, why should anyone want to kill me? After all the books were mine and the religions dont mean a damn to me.

What is extreme view?

Give me an example.Only muslims hold extreme views?

In the first instance our religioin does not permit that type of behaviour, Islam is a way of life.

.I am tired about we are not doing enough condemning, every mad man that pick up a gun and shout the name of God we are responsible for that.

Man care you skont

I am less interested in your comments above as I am in whether or not you think that Christianity is responsible for the evil acts of Christians, including murder or mass killing or any of the evils you noted above when they say that they are doing God's will.

Focus on your own religion rather than others. It will pay you better.

Islam is not forced down anyone throats.

If others are passive and do not take offense when their religion or prophet is insulted then too bad for them. Muslims are different and hold our religion and our  prophet(on whom be peace) closer to us than ourselves and this is universal.

An American journalist made note of this when he observed the behavior of family members who lost their loved ones when a drunken American soldier went house to house one night and murdered several people in Iraq. They did not riot nor retaliate they took the blood money that was offered and that was it. Now a few weeks after there was just a case where some American soldiers allegedly flushed down the holy Quran down a toilet, for three weeks there was disturbance. No money ain't fixing that all because of the love that muslims hold for their religion and that is something that people like you will never understand.

If there were a bunch or marauders in the name of christianity committed to genocide I would beyond doubt insist they are oriented by a perverse reading of religion. The bible has many offensive verses that I consider anachronisms if not completely bunk. I also see the same in the Koran. No one in christianity will doubt or obfuscate on what they mean and insist I got them wrong being ignorant of the ancient Hebrew or Greek that is their source or even want to kill me. And I get into lots of fights with Christians on these points

Our religion is one of peace !

Unfortunately I see your comments above as a non-response to my very simple question.

All religions are about peaceful serene submissive to god life....not yours alone.

A very quick scan of the topics here would leave you no doubt that it is not the Muslims here who need to heed your very good advise above.

I agree!!

Indeed.

You can see it whatever way pleases you but my point is there are no christian  armies out there intending to purify the place and reclaim some misguided golden era in Christianity. I see people calling themselves Muslims and they get my attention.

Home run!

What sort of home run? To the contrary I think most of you are outside american mainstream belief since you do not let it touch you. Everyone including  you with the exception of the women and Ray Ray...insisted America bombed the trade center. You insisted the Pentagon was hit by a US missile when I know first hand it was a bloody plane. I bet most of you still hold fast to those beliefs and that is what is problematic for me. I argued the same with you Kaz, TI Abu Jihad, Reds in vain. 

If we get into theology, you are perfectly all right to insist jesus was no son of god and the bible was a holey book. If I say Mohamed was a plagiarist  you are driven to convulsions. Well, that is what I believe because I cannot say the Jews  stole from anyone and I am entitle to believe that no less than you are entitle to your beliefs it is a perfect book. From my end we can co exist. From your end, it is an insult. I say bullshit and I do not care if that is your attitude. I am a happy heathen and all this religions driven bull crap is exactly that...bull crap. Take away the religion and Isis Is still a bunch of people that cannot be let to live.

I think for Kazsma to have an honest conversation if you said that it was conspiracy and US missiles that bombed the pentagon etc. You should own up to that and accept your mistake because it is comments like that communicate the negative perception about muslims and islam living in some sort of delusion.

I have absolutely no idea where I stated that missiles hit the WTC and Pentagon. How could I when I clearly saw the planes approaching the WTC. On TV that is so don't go wasting DHS time.

Ksaz, Ignore this waste man. His mouth and ass are misplaced.

Storm if the man saying what he is saying I have to accept his word that he is telling the truth.

Just like you are entitled to cherry pick which question to answer, I am entitled to recognize your response as evasive. Keep in mind, I respect you because you are a bright guy.

Actually I have had a very enjoyable discourse with HM_Redux tonight.

Same here Ksazma, Doan worry wid dat low breed Shelly e lookin fuh lil attention since Anil call dem low breed. Ow throw e a lil bone......