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The 1973 Rigged Election
The PNC Two-thirds Majority


By Odeen Ishmael PhD
Guyana Journal, May 2006


National Registration

On 6 March 1973, the PNC Government announced that there would be a national registration of all Guyanese who would be 14 years and over on September 30, 1973. It also stated that out of this registration process, the electoral list would be compiled for the general elections to be held later in the year.

Both the parliamentary opposition parties (PPP and United Force) protested that the period of two hours each day, during 15-21 March, was inadequate for the registration of Guyanese in Guyana. The period allowed for overseas registration (15-31 March) was even more insufficient since the opposition parties did not have enough time to alert their supporters abroad. And to deliberately place obstacles in the way of these parties, the Government did not state the location of the registration centers in foreign countries

The PNC Government ignored all protests and appeals for more time and proceeded with the registration and preparation of the electoral lists. For this task, as happened in 1968, it again resorted to placing partisan officials in complete charge of the registration and election machinery.

The actual registration in Guyana was conducted in a deliberate manner to frustrate opposition supporters. During the national registration period, gross irregularities occurred in the registration of youths – heavy registration in PNC areas of strength and low registration in PPP areas.

Among the strategies applied in areas where the PNC had little support were the absence or non-attendance of the registration officers and delays in dealing with each registrant. Persons who failed to be registered meant that they would not be on the electoral lists and could not vote in the elections due for that year.

Efforts by way of motions in the National Assembly to ensure that the registration exercise was operated democratically also failed. One motion on 25 April calling for the annulment of the registration regulations was simply ignored

On the same day the Government announced the plan for national registration, the PPP had tabled a motion in the National Assembly calling for the vote to be given to 18-year-olds. However, the PNC Government refused to debate the motion. This refusal and the deliberate actions to frustrate registration of young opposition supporters drew this statement from the PPP in March 1973:

“It would seem that the exercise has been carried out so as to permit mainly PNC youths to be registered. After this was accomplished and a preponderance of the PNC youths clearly established, the government will most likely reduce the voting age to 18. It will then put on the pose of being progressive. . . .”

This was exactly what eventually happened. In May, the PNC introduced a constitutional motion in the National Assembly to reduce the voting age from 21 to 18, a principle the PPP supported. But because the PNC Government refused to address the problems regarding registration of opposition supporters, the PPP refused to support the motion which was defeated since it failed to obtain the two-thirds majority to amend the constitution.
The PNC, thus blocked, then began to use the postal vote illegally – forging some 20,000 postal vote applications. Some of the postal votes were subsequently used in the general election to cast votes for dead and non-existent voters. The others were also used to defraud legitimate voters who were denied their right to cast their votes on election day. Despite the failure of the constitutional motion, the PNC regime deliberately proceeded to flout the constitution by putting 18-year-olds on the electoral lists. Shortly after the date of the election was announced a number of Guyanese teenagers resident in Trinidad were sent their ballot papers by post from the office of Guyana’s resident representative. When this was exposed by the PPP, the Chief Elections Officer said it was a “mistake”.

Opposition parties’ meetings with Elections Commission

The PPP and the other two opposition parties – the Liberator Party (LP), and the People’s Democratic Movement (PDM) led by a former Minister of Home Affairs in the PNC government – were naturally very much concerned over the irregularities in the registration exercise and also in the administration of the forthcoming election. As a result, they held several joint and separate meetings with the Elections Commission requesting it to exercise its functions of “general direction and supervision over the registration of electors and the administrative conduct of the elections”. The parties asked the chairman of the Commission, Sir Donald Jackson, to take action to ensure impartiality, fairness and compliance with the provisions of the constitution.

Fearing tampering of the boxes, the opposition parties, while fighting against all the forms of electoral fraud, concentrated on the security of the ballot boxes. They were particularly anxious to ensure that party representatives should be allowed to affix fool-proof seals around the ballot boxes at the close of the poll, and that these representatives would be allowed to accompany the ballot boxes to the official counting places and to keep them in sight at all times until counting commenced. They reminded Jackson, who had been chairman also during the 1968 election, of instances of the electoral fraud that took place on that occasion.

Jackson informed the opposition representatives that the Commission had no power to take any of the actions requested; he said he had sought unsuccessfully to obtain guidelines setting out the powers which he had felt necessary for the Commission to have. He added that the Commission had no control over the preparation of the electoral lists and said he had requested a copy.

Regarding requests for opposition representatives to affix fool-proof seals on ballot boxes and to accompany them to the counting center, Jackson said he would transmit those proposals to the Minister of Home Affairs. The Minister, who was a PNC candidate in the elections, replied that it was impossible, because of unavailable space, to allow polling agents of political parties to accompany the ballot boxes.

Since the security of the ballot boxes was crucial to free and fair elections, the three opposition parties then proposed to the Elections Commission that one polling agent representing them should be chosen to accompany each ballot box. They stated in a letter to Jackson: “We feel that the Commission would agree to this proposal to ensure the secrecy of the ballot since its implementation is in no way contrary to any existing law or regulation.” Jackson never replied.

At another meeting Jackson had with the PPP, the Chairman of the Commission gave the Party’s representatives a set of electoral lists which, he claimed, contained the names of 18-year-olds. He explained that the district electoral officers were in the process of removing the names of 18-year-olds from the list. After this meeting, the other opposition political parties were also provided with similar lists.

A final attempt to ensure free and fair elections ended with the rejection by the High Court of an injunction to prevent overseas and postal voting. And during the final meeting of the National Assembly, the PPP tabled a “last-minute” motion to annul postal voting, but the Speaker refused to allow any debate on it.

Worsening economic and political situation

The general elections were eventually fixed for 16 July 1973, a period when Guyana was experiencing a worsening economic situation. Growing disenchantment by former PNC supporters and rising resentment from the rest of the population were accelerated because of the startling rise in unemployment, now estimated to be 30 to 35 percent, the rising cost of living and the decline in the economic position of the small farmers brought on by government’s neglect and victimization because of their support for the PPP.

There were also widespread political and racial discrimination, and erosion of civil liberties, including denial of passports, police harassment and searches without warrants and restrictions on press freedom.

But what caused the greatest alarm was the PNC’s pre-election declaration that it would secure a two-thirds majority of the seats. This immediately caused a strong feeling of fear of further abuse of power among the population, including PNC supporters. This was revealed in house to house canvassing by the PPP in Georgetown, generally regarded as a stronghold of the PNC, where large numbers of voters stated firmly that they did not intend to vote.

To justify its two-thirds “victory”, the PNC embarked on an extensive pre-election propaganda campaign claiming that the PPP had lost support and had become irrelevant.

Election Day

Election day itself was peaceful with a heavy turnout in the rural areas where the PPP enjoyed massive support. The Georgetown area did not see this enthusiasm; the 8 electoral districts in the capital showed the lowest turnout of voters – about 20 percent lower than in the countryside.

There were a few incidents in which PPP polling agents were refused entry into polling places by the election officers who were mainly partisan PNC supporters. Also, hundreds of PPP supporters who waited hours in queues to vote were turned away by the presiding officers who told them that they had already voted by post or proxy. These persons protested that they never applied to vote by proxy or post and that they did not receive any postal ballots.

Then late in the afternoon, many young PNC supporters without identification cards and who whose names were not on the list as voters were permitted to vote despite objections from the PPP polling agents. As a result more votes were cast in some polling centers than electors on the list.

But despite all of this, the unpopular PNC realized by mid-afternoon that even the massive use of the proxy, overseas, and postal voting was no guarantee for its return to power. It then instituted its back-up plan – to deploy the Guyana Defence Force (GDF) soldiers to take control of the ballot boxes to ensure a PNC two-thirds majority.

When voting closed at 6 p.m., the majority of the PPP polling agents were not permitted to affix their seals on the ballot boxes by the presiding officers. And almost immediately, many of the polling agents of the opposition parties were forced out of the polling stations at gun point by policemen and GDF soldiers while others were not allowed to observe the sealing of the ballot boxes by the presiding officers. In addition, the GDF soldiers and armed police forcibly prevented opposition polling agents to follow behind the vehicles transporting the ballot boxes. Only in Georgetown were opposition agents allowed to accompany the ballot boxes to the national counting center at the Government Technical Institute.

Seeing the sudden movements of GDF vehicles at the polling centers, large numbers of people gathered near the polling centers in the areas of PPP strength and looked on in dismay as the GDF soldiers commandeered the ballot boxes. In anger, they protested noisily the action of the solders and immediately expressed fears that the votes would be rigged. At No. 63 Village on the Corentyne, the soldiers opened fire on the crowd, killing 45-year-old Parmanand Bholanauth and wounding several others. Jagan Ramessar, a 17-year old youth was seriously wounded during the shooting, but instead of taking him to hospital, the police and GDF soldier transported him to the No. 51 Police Station where they refused to provide him with medical attention. He died there after he was further physically brutalized by the police and soldiers. Bholanauth and Ramessar soon after became popularly known as the “Ballot-box martyrs”.

The rigging activities

Members of the GDF took control of the ballot boxes in all polling centers outside of Georgetown and, contrary to the election regulations, transported them to their headquarters in Thomas Lands, Georgetown where they were kept overnight, and in some cases for more than 36 hours. There PNC operatives worked throughout that period to switch previously prepared ballot boxes with votes supporting the PNC or to empty the official ballot boxes and stuff them with fresh fraudulently marked ballots overwhelmingly in favor of the PNC.

The pattern of fraud emerged almost immediately after the poll ended. Ballot boxes for the Vreed-en-Hoop district crossed the Demerara River at 10 p.m. on 16 July, arriving in Georgetown some 15 minutes later. But the boxes did not arrive at the counting center until five and a half hours later! And then some of the keys for the ballot boxes could not be found. The boxes for Corentyne East did not arrive at the counting centre until 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday, 17 July, twenty-three and a half hours after the close of poll. Here again, keys for many boxes were also missing while some boxes were not sealed.

Ballot boxes from the East Coast Demerara electoral districts were finally delivered to the counting center by GDF soldiers at 1:30 p.m. on 17 July, eighteen and a half hours after the polls closed.

The boxes from the North-West District, which were transported by airplane, arrived 47 hours after the close of poll. Six ballot box keys were missing and when these boxes were broken open, twenty-one wads of ballot papers, some wrapped with rubber bands and others bound with paper clips were found inside. All were marked for the PNC. Two counting agents objected strongly drawing the returning officer’s attention to this unusual occurrence. They were immediately told that if they continued to protest the police would be called to eject them! This was how the PNC gave itself a 550 per cent increase over its 1968 votes in that district.

At the Canals Polder Electoral District, where the PPP had a majority in all the elections from 1953 to 1968, its votes went down four times and those of the PNC doubled. The PPP polling agent at one of the polling centers had objected during the voting exercise that the ballot-papers were being officially stamped on the inside instead of the outside. He was so concerned, fearing that the ballots would be declared invalid, that he made written notes that the ballots were being stamped on the inside. He also recorded the names of voters inside the station as well as the police constable who was on duty. In addition, as evidence of the fact, he obtained the signatures of the polling agents for all the parties, including the PNC, that this event had in fact taken place.

When the counting took place much later, the PPP counting agent, equipped with the document, kept an eye out for the particular box, No. 300. When it was counted, all 511 ballots were stamped on the outside and every single ballot was marked for the PNC!

The pattern was the same throughout. Ballot boxes, on arrival at the counting center from the GDF headquarters were found to be inadequately sealed, or not at all. Keys were missing or mixed up and there were numerous cases where the number of votes counted did not tally with the number cast. The mixed-up and missing keys for the ballot boxes apparently occurred when the keys were taken out of their sealed envelopes and used to open the ballot boxes, and then placed in the wrong envelopes afterwards.

During the counting process, at which representatives of the opposition parties were present, numerous irregularities were observed. In many cases, the ballots in the boxes did not correspond with the figures stated on the returns by the presiding officers. A large number of boxes had unsealed, exposed slots while others did not carry the seals of the opposition parties’ polling agents.
There was also obvious fraud with the postal voting. One box containing the postal ballots for an East Demerara district did not have the seal of the Chief Election Officer or any other person connected with the election. The box contained more envelopes with ballots than should have been placed in it. Five of the envelopes contained not only the ballots as required by law but also the declaration of identity which was not signed by anyone. It meant therefore that postal ballots were marked by persons claiming to be the voters who were not identified.

The law dealing with postal voting required the Chief Election Officer or his assistants to ensure that the declaration of identity – which was not to be enclosed in the same envelope with the ballot – be signed before a postal ballot is cast. Undoubtedly, from what took place, the law dealing with postal voting was not observed in the sending out and the casting of postal ballots.

The overseas votes were also massively manipulated. In view of the wide exposÉ of the padding of the overseas lists, the Government drastically reduced the number of names on the overseas list from 68,597 in 1968 to 34,801 in 1973. But even this list was rigged as proven by Granada Television of the United Kingdom which, in its investigative reporting, showed that there were over 8,000 bogus names on the list. The final “results” gave the PNC 98 percent of the overseas votes!

The “results”

The final count gave the PNC its two-thirds majority. So angry were the voters that there were countrywide demonstrations and protests. The security forces continued their harassment of PPP supporters as they did even before the elections and more than 400 persons were arrested. To further counter such protests, the PNC soon after re-enacted the preventative detention law.

The result of the fraudulent election officially gave the ruling PNC 37 seats, PPP 26.5 percent 14, Liberator Party (LP) 2, and People’s Democratic Movement (PDM), no seat, in the 53 Member National Assembly. The PNC obtained 243,803 votes or 70.1 percent of the votes cast; the PPP 92,374 votes or 26.5 percent; the LP 9,580 votes or 2.75 percent; and the PDM 2,053 votes or 0.6 percent. There were 1,766 spoilt votes.

All three opposition parties rejected these figures and in a joint statement declared that the election had been rigged. The two opposition parties which had been allocated seats, namely, the PPP and the LP (which was a coalition, formed a few weeks before the election of a new party of that name with the older United Force) stated that in protest they would not take up their seats in Parliament. But two United Force members on the LP list decided to reject the party decision and to take up their seats, and declared that they were UF representatives. One of the two, Marcellus Fielden Singh, officially declaring himself as a “UF Member of Parliament”, was soon after appointed Leader of the Opposition. Guyana thus became unique in having parliamentary representatives from a political party that never contested an election.

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Originally Posted by yuji22:

AFC is now working to bring back rigging by supporting the PNC.

PPP did that since 1974.

Jagan the fool, just 9 months after Burnham stole the elections, went public with "critical support" for the PNC.

Chief

yuji, why are you so daft?

Which intelligent person will swallow your stale spiel?

2014 is not 1973.

The Guyana Elections Commission of today is not the same GECOM of 1973.

GECOM Chairman Steve Surujbally is not a puppet like Chairman Sir Donald Jackson in 1973.

Unlike 1973, ballots are now counted at voting centres.

Unlike 1973, there is no overseas voting.

Unlike 1973, the electorate is more educated and wise.

Unlike 1973, proxy voting is strictly limited.

How can the AFC bring back rigging by supporting the PNC?

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

 

Which intelligent person will swallow your stale spiel?

2014 is not 1973.

The Guyana Elections Commission of today is not the same GECOM of 1973.

GECOM Chairman Steve Surujbally is not a puppet like Chairman Sir Donald Jackson in 1973.

Unlike 1973, ballots are now counted at voting centres.

Unlike 1973, there is no overseas voting.

Unlike 1973, the electorate is more educated and wise.

Unlike 1973, proxy voting is strictly limited.

How can the AFC bring back rigging by supporting the PNC?

 

PNC is the same old PNC.

 

They only changed their name. AFC and PNC crooks are no different.

FM

The average Guyanese voter is 35 years old. Why does the PPP think that they care about events before their time.  Don't they know that many Guyanese only vaguely know who Forbes Burnham was?

 

What interests Guyanese is the fact that Marriott is being built to benefit privet investors using PUBLIC funds. What interests Guyanese is the fact that Fip Motilall made millions off a project where he did NOTHING, and is now in jail.  What interests Guyanese is that a man who had carte blanche to do what he wanted at Timehri was caught in PR smuggling funds, quite likely drug proceeds.  What interest Guyanese is that the AG can call some one and threaten to murder him and yet not be arrested for such a criminal act.  What interests Berbicians is that they must pay high tolls so wealthy people connected to the PPP can benefit, when the ferry was much cheaper. What interests Guyanese is that crime today is FAR WORSE than it ever has been and that Rohee is too busy doing God knows what to deal with this problem.

 

The PPP refuses to engage in those topics.  These and not events of 1973, which could well be 1943 as far as most Guyanese are concerned.

FM

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

Chief
Originally Posted by Chief:

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

And are Indians who are 35 and under still mainly obsessed with what happened before their time? Now I know that the PPP wishes that they are, but is this really as true as the PPP would wish it to be?

 

Will these people look past what the PPP is doing TODAY and focus 100% on what the PNC did 40 years ago?  Of course those who are older will, but will a younger and more educated Indian be caught in that trap?

 

This is not to suggest that APNU will get the Indian vote, of any age group, but what of the AFC?  Or about simply not voting out of disgust for what the PPP represents today, if all that they can do is raise demons from an era long gone, this while they engage in blatant theft and arrogance?

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Chief:

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

And are Indians who are 35 and under still mainly obsessed with what happened before their time? Now I know that the PPP wishes that they are, but is this really as true as the PPP would wish it to be?

 

Will these people look past what the PPP is doing TODAY and focus 100% on what the PNC did 40 years ago?  Of course those who are older will, but will a younger and more educated Indian be caught in that trap?

 

This is not to suggest that APNU will get the Indian vote, of any age group, but what of the AFC?  Or about simply not voting out of disgust for what the PPP represents today, if all that they can do is raise demons from an era long gone, this while they engage in blatant theft and arrogance?

 

Carib

 

What you say makes zero sense.

 

Are we then to accept that the racism and discrimination that existed in the 60's in the USA and the struggles MLK must be forgotten ?

 

The PNC  machinery is still in place including Burnham's rigger Oscar Clarke and all.

 

Get real.

FM
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Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 

Carib

 

What you say makes zero sense.

 

Are we then to accept that the racism and discrimination that existed in the 60's in the USA and the struggles MLK must be forgotten ?

 

The PNC  machinery is still in place including Burnham's rigger Oscar Clarke and all.

 

Get real.

 

 

One of the masterminds of the 1973 was Kit Nascimento. Norman McLean was a senior GDF officer, unlike Granger, who was a junior officer at the time.

 

 In addition many of the goons who beat up people when they protested in the late 70s and early 80s are now with the PPP.

 

So why should the PPP babble about 1973 when many of those responsible for the excesses of the Burnham regime are WITH THE PPP TODAY.

 

When I get a robo call and some one starts chatting about JFK and MLK I put down the phone.

 

I am concerned about what those who want my vote wish to do for my NOW.  Not what to tell me what they did for me, or the other side did to me 40 years ago.

 

The fact that the PNC was brutal to Indians 40 years ago doesn't give the PPP to ride rough shod over them today.  Nor does it give the PPP the right to ne enraged that the AFC dares to "steal" their votes.  Indeed the very notion that the Indian vote will be "stolen" is one which should anger Indians. 

 

If Indians are foolish enough to vote PPP when it has made peace with the Burnham goon squad, then all power to them.  Nagamootoo will remind them of this, and if they still vote PPP then they deserve what they get.  Just as Burnham's goon squad was initially for use against Indians, but was then unleashed against blacks, so will those who blindly support the PPP will learn.

FM
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Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Chief:

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

And are Indians who are 35 and under still mainly obsessed with what happened before their time? Now I know that the PPP wishes that they are, but is this really as true as the PPP would wish it to be?

 

Will these people look past what the PPP is doing TODAY and focus 100% on what the PNC did 40 years ago?  Of course those who are older will, but will a younger and more educated Indian be caught in that trap?

 

This is not to suggest that APNU will get the Indian vote, of any age group, but what of the AFC?  Or about simply not voting out of disgust for what the PPP represents today, if all that they can do is raise demons from an era long gone, this while they engage in blatant theft and arrogance?

 

Carib

 

What you say makes zero sense.

 

Are we then to accept that the racism and discrimination that existed in the 60's in the USA and the struggles MLK must be forgotten ?

 

The PNC  machinery is still in place including Burnham's rigger Oscar Clarke and all.

 

Get real.

Yugi ,i attend business conventions(related to my business) yearly

all held in the southern states I have made some friends

with some of the southerners,they treat you with respect.

 

Guyanese need to look to future, what happen in the 60's

is gone think about present.When i explain to my younger

son how i struggled,his response is that is your time,he

migrated to US when he 6+years now a college grad.

 

 

 

Django

Unfortunately for people like yugi, they cannot find anything else to attack the PNC with, except for going back to the last millennium to find an example that can support their racist rant. 

If you go through the political history of all the countries currently in the UN, only Guyana and Israel dig up decades old argument to support their views for why things should remain bad for the current inhabitants of the land.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by Django:

Yugi ,i attend business conventions(related to my business) yearly

all held in the southern states I have made some friends

with some of the southerners,they treat you with respect.

 

Guyanese need to look to future, what happen in the 60's

is gone think about present.When i explain to my younger

son how i struggled,his response is that is your time,he

migrated to US when he 6+years now a college grad.

 

 

 

Django congratulations to your Son.

Chief
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Unfortunately for people like yugi, they cannot find anything else to attack the PNC with, except for going back to the last millennium to find an example that can support their racist rant. 

If you go through the political history of all the countries currently in the UN, only Guyana and Israel dig up decades old argument to support their views for why things should remain bad for the current inhabitants of the land.

Thank you, thank you and thank you!!!!!!

And they are getting away with it or I should say it is working.

Chief
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Chief:

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

And are Indians who are 35 and under still mainly obsessed with what happened before their time? Now I know that the PPP wishes that they are, but is this really as true as the PPP would wish it to be?

 

Will these people look past what the PPP is doing TODAY and focus 100% on what the PNC did 40 years ago?  Of course those who are older will, but will a younger and more educated Indian be caught in that trap?

 

This is not to suggest that APNU will get the Indian vote, of any age group, but what of the AFC?  Or about simply not voting out of disgust for what the PPP represents today, if all that they can do is raise demons from an era long gone, this while they engage in blatant theft and arrogance?

 

Carib

 

What you say makes zero sense.

 

Are we then to accept that the racism and discrimination that existed in the 60's in the USA and the struggles MLK must be forgotten ?

 

The PNC  machinery is still in place including Burnham's rigger Oscar Clarke and all.

 

Get real.

Yugi ,i attend business conventions(related to my business) yearly

all held in the southern states I have made some friends

with some of the southerners,they treat you with respect.

 

Guyanese need to look to future, what happen in the 60's

is gone think about present.When i explain to my younger

son how i struggled,his response is that is your time,he

migrated to US when he 6+years now a college grad.

 

 

 

 

Yuji does not boast about business. I keep it humble. Silence is golden.

 

Healing in Guyana will begin when the PNC apologizes for the Apartheide practiced by them during their 28 years of dictatorship.

 

Carl Greenidge, Hamilton Greene, Granger and others who were an integral part of the system practiced under the evil PNC still scares Guyanese and the fear is real. History has a habit of repeating itself.

 

I see a PNC struggling to clean up it's image but it can do so in one swipe by issuing an apology. 

 

As for children, my daughter is studying law. I have never discussed my experiences in Guyana and do not care to bother them with my Guyanese "baggage".  Our children do not see race as an issue in relationship to politics.

 

I am willing to forgive the PNC as soon as a long overdue apology is issued.

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Django:

Yugi ,i attend business conventions(related to my business) yearly

all held in the southern states I have made some friends

with some of the southerners,they treat you with respect.

 

Guyanese need to look to future, what happen in the 60's

is gone think about present.When i explain to my younger

son how i struggled,his response is that is your time,he

migrated to US when he 6+years now a college grad.

 

 

 

Django congratulations to your Son.

Thank you,Chief.

Django
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

Unfortunately for people like yugi, they cannot find anything else to attack the PNC

And yet the PNC is such an easy target as they are the party of "NO".   They let the PPP do what they want and are so weak and silly in their response.    What grand ideas does the PNC have to transform LINDEN, or Georgetown.  I focus on these towns as this is where their base is largely concentrated.  If they cannot/will not help these people then what ideas to do they have transform Guyana as a whole.

 

The PPP and the AFC could easily clean up in these PNC strongholds if they cared enough about these people.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

I am willing to forgive the PNC as soon as a long overdue apology is issued.

 

 

The only time that the PNC shold apologize is when the PPP joins them.  If the PPP doesn't want to apologize then neither should the PNC.

 

BOTH have done tremendous damage to Guyanese, so why should it be only one who ought to apologize.  Try and get beyond your narrow focus of YOUR ethnicity for once and understand that Afro Guyanese fear the PPP (and have since the early 60s) because of what the PPP has DONE!   Just as how Indo Guyanese fear the PNC.

FM

So we stcuk on 1973 where more than 60 percent of Guyana never experienced and more than 80 percent of our people were not even of voting age.

 

Get with the program, this is 2014, let us focus on the present day.

 

Bad habits can change, stop lying for 10 days YUJI.  See the end results.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Chief:

CaribJ  I thought you were politically smart but now I think otherwise.

 

The PPP need to hold on to the ills of the PNC in order to stir fear in Indians.

 The 35 year and younger iNDIAN IS BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THAT THE pnc and blackman will kill them iF THE ppp is to be removed from power. 

And are Indians who are 35 and under still mainly obsessed with what happened before their time? Now I know that the PPP wishes that they are, but is this really as true as the PPP would wish it to be?

 

Will these people look past what the PPP is doing TODAY and focus 100% on what the PNC did 40 years ago?  Of course those who are older will, but will a younger and more educated Indian be caught in that trap?

 

This is not to suggest that APNU will get the Indian vote, of any age group, but what of the AFC?  Or about simply not voting out of disgust for what the PPP represents today, if all that they can do is raise demons from an era long gone, this while they engage in blatant theft and arrogance?

 

Carib

 

What you say makes zero sense.

 

Are we then to accept that the racism and discrimination that existed in the 60's in the USA and the struggles MLK must be forgotten ?

 

The PNC  machinery is still in place including Burnham's rigger Oscar Clarke and all.

 

Get real.

Yugi ,i attend business conventions(related to my business) yearly

all held in the southern states I have made some friends

with some of the southerners,they treat you with respect.

 

Guyanese need to look to future, what happen in the 60's

is gone think about present.When i explain to my younger

son how i struggled,his response is that is your time,he

migrated to US when he 6+years now a college grad.

 

 

 

 

Yuji does not boast about business. I keep it humble. Silence is golden.

Good for you.

 

Healing in Guyana will begin when the PNC apologizes for the Apartheide practiced by them during their 28 years of dictatorship.

The word is "apartheid". That word means racial segregation, ie, one race forced to live separately from the ruling race. Jagan never said the PNC practised apartheid.

 

Carl Greenidge, Hamilton Greene, Granger and others who were an integral part of the system practiced under the evil PNC still scares Guyanese and the fear is real. Hamilton Green scares Guyanese? Which Guyanese? Green can't scare Carol Sooba, who else can he scare? Granger scares Guyanese? Only the other day you were praising Granger and running down Naga, you forget? Carl Greenidge scares Guyanese? How come? Greenidge ever operated a phantom gang/death squad? Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

 

I am willing to forgive the PNC as soon as a long overdue apology is issued. You want Granger to give you a special apology? You ran away from Guyana in 1983. I stayed and faced the PNC to the end, but I don't want apology.

 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

FM
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Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

Yall got convenient memory....Jagan himself give critical support to Burnham to ruin the  economy...I remember clearly at PYO meetings  were PPP speakers including Chedy preaching like gospel that  - the nationalizing of Bookers, Demba etc   was all the PPP plans Burnham stole....

sachin_05
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Originally Posted by sachin_05:
 

Yall got convenient memory....Jagan himself give critical support to Burnham to ruin the  economy...I remember clearly at PYO meetings  were PPP speakers including Chedy preaching like gospel that  - the nationalizing of Bookers, Demba etc   was all the PPP plans Burnham stole....

Please remind them of this.  Remind them that it was because of this that the Guyana economy collapsed, indeed just as did the economy of Cuba, the 4th richest in the Americas behind the US, Canada and Argentina, when Castro also destroyed it.

 

The PPP reported news of the USA in Vietnam.  What they never reported was that the invasion of the USSR was a similar act of arrogant imperialism by a greedy and oppressive super power.

 

So the PPP need to spare us the notion that had they run Guyana as an independent nation there would have been a difference. All that would have been different is that the comrades destroying things would have been Indian rather than African.

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

AFC is now working to bring back rigging by supporting the PNC.

PPP did that since 1974.

Jagan the fool, just 9 months after Burnham stole the elections, went public with "critical support" for the PNC.

The clown was more infatuated with the PNC leftist shift than the welfare of the people.  Burnham mek rings around Jagan.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

 

Only fools in the AFC consider Carl Greenidge an expert when in fact he ruined Guyana's economy. 

 

Carl boldly stood in parliament and declared that the treasury of Guyana was empty !

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

AFC is now working to bring back rigging by supporting the PNC.

PPP did that since 1974.

Jagan the fool, just 9 months after Burnham stole the elections, went public with "critical support" for the PNC.

The clown was more infatuated with the PNC leftist shift than the welfare of the people.  Burnham mek rings around Jagan.

Baseman happy holidays and I am happy to see that we agree on something.

Chief
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

AFC is now working to bring back rigging by supporting the PNC.

PPP did that since 1974.

Jagan the fool, just 9 months after Burnham stole the elections, went public with "critical support" for the PNC.

The clown was more infatuated with the PNC leftist shift than the welfare of the people.  Burnham mek rings around Jagan.

Bai yuh drinking the PPP milk and bad mouth dem is not gona to get duh plot in prad II...betta be carful dem bais guh tek back de 15 acre and dem mule dem give yuh...

sachin_05
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

Ksazma, Carl Greenidge was Minister of Finance in the Desmond Hoyte administration.

In 1989, Hoyte-Greenidge launched an Economic Recovery Programme [ERP] to turn the economy around after a long period of decline.

The ERP started bearing fruit in 1991 when the GDP grew by 6 percent. In 1992, the GDP rose by 7.8 percent.

The PPP took over the government in late 1992 when the economic outlook was promising, thanks to Hoyte-Greenidge's ERP. 

The PPP did not inherit a bankrupt economy from the PNC. What it inherited was a massive national debt which had accrued over 28 years and for which it would be unreasonable to blame the then young Finance Minister Carl Greenidge.

Lest we forget, the young economist Bharrat Jagdeo cut his teeth jobwise in Greenidge's State Planning Secretariat and acquired valuable work experience there.

I am saying that, at this moment, Carl Creenidge is an experienced and competent financial-economic analyst.

FM
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Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

Ksazma, Carl Greenidge was Minister of Finance in the Desmond Hoyte administration.

In 1989, Hoyte-Greenidge launched an Economic Recovery Programme [ERP] to turn the economy around after a long period of decline.

The ERP started bearing fruit in 1991 when the GDP grew by 6 percent. In 1992, the GDP rose by 7.8 percent.

The PPP took over the government in late 1992 when the economic outlook was promising, thanks to Hoyte-Greenidge's ERP. 

The PPP did not inherit a bankrupt economy from the PNC. What it inherited was a massive national debt which had accrued over 28 years and for which it would be unreasonable to blame the then young Finance Minister Carl Greenidge.

Lest we forget, the young economist Bharrat Jagdeo cut his teeth jobwise in Greenidge's State Planning Secretariat and acquired valuable work experience there.

I am saying that, at this moment, Carl Creenidge is an experienced and competent financial-economic analyst.

The ERP came after the country was bankrupt. Greenidge was there for 6 years prior to that ERP induction and personally participated in the country's bankruptcy. Greenidge can't evade his role. Bringing the PPP into the discussion is unnecessary since it is unrelated to Greenidge's record. Maybe he has learnt over the years but he sill owns his record between 1983 & 1992.

 

"

Hoyte's  change in direction

     When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later. However, within less that a year he began to find this pursuit untenable as Guyana continued to experience a serious economic crisis, a spill-over from the Burnham administration.

 

Faced with a steady decline in production levels and an acute shortfall in balance of payments, Hoyte ordered a cut in public spending and made attempts to encourage foreign investment. He also curtailed all policies geared towards "cooperative socialism" in the attempt to attract investment from North America and Western Europe and also to win financial support from the multilateral financial institutions. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) since 1983 had curtailed all further lending to Guyana because payments on previous loans were long overdue and, in 1985, declared the country ineligible for further     credit and loans.

 

No doubt, these IMF decisions caused Hoyte to declare during his address to the PNC's sixth biennial congress on 19 August 1985 that "we have concluded that the standard IMF prescription is not only palpably irrelevant and useless, but also positively dangerous and counter productive in our particular situation. We must resist with all our might the pressures that might be exerted to force us on to the IMF's procrustean bed."

 

Real GDP had declined by an average 10 percent in 1982-83 as a result of sharp contractions in the bauxite sector and decline and stagnation in most other productive sectors. Economic decline eased up in 1984, but the economy remained stagnant through 1987. With a per capita gross domestic product of only US$500, Guyana was one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere.

 

Confronted with these stark economic realities, Hoyte was forced to depart from Burnham's economic policy because he realised that "cooperative socialism" had failed. At the same time, the country was burdened with a stifling foreign debt and a large payment of arrears which the PNC regime had accumulated. The arrears by 1988 were more than US$885 million (about four times the Guyana's annual exports), and Hoyte feared that all credit to the country would be     completely cut off by international donors. In this situation, he was propelled to carry out negotiations in 1988 with the IMF which quickly arranged with the World Bank an Economic Recovery Programme (ERP) aimed at re-introducing a pro-capitalist market economy in place of the failed "cooperative socialist" programme of the past eighteen years."

 

http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

FM
Originally Posted by sachin_05:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Greenidge is a finance expert; his indepth analyses can scare only the corrupt PPP cabal.

Wasn't Greenidge the Finance Minister who presided over a bankrupt Guyana between 1983 and 1992? What in-depth analyses can he really provide?

Yall got convenient memory....Jagan himself give critical support to Burnham to ruin the  economy...I remember clearly at PYO meetings  were PPP speakers including Chedy preaching like gospel that  - the nationalizing of Bookers, Demba etc   was all the PPP plans Burnham stole....

Other than a weak attempt at a smokescreen, what does this have to do with Greenidge's record between 1983 & 1992?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by sachin_05:
 

Yall got convenient memory....Jagan himself give critical support to Burnham to ruin the  economy...I remember clearly at PYO meetings  were PPP speakers including Chedy preaching like gospel that  - the nationalizing of Bookers, Demba etc   was all the PPP plans Burnham stole....

Please remind them of this.  Remind them that it was because of this that the Guyana economy collapsed, indeed just as did the economy of Cuba, the 4th richest in the Americas behind the US, Canada and Argentina, when Castro also destroyed it.

 

The PPP reported news of the USA in Vietnam.  What they never reported was that the invasion of the USSR was a similar act of arrogant imperialism by a greedy and oppressive super power.

 

So the PPP need to spare us the notion that had they run Guyana as an independent nation there would have been a difference. All that would have been different is that the comrades destroying things would have been Indian rather than African.

So now the PPP was responsible for the PNC bankrupting the Guyanese economy between 1983 & 1992? Jagan was mostly never even allowed to speak in Parliament. I lost count of how many times the Speaker of the House (obviously acting on the wishes of Burnham and Hoyte) threw Jagan out of Parliament.

 

Regarding your woulda, coulda, shoulda, all wild speculation. Evidence however is that Guyana looks a lot better today than it did back when I left in 1987.

FM
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It is no secret it is a well known fact that without Jagan's support Burnham would not have been able to nationalize demba, bookers and other companies that were the core of the industrial base and that was the economic engine of Guyana.

The PPP had as much a hand as the PNC in destroying Guyana. These are the facts.

The PPP has also embraced all the PNC criminals and taken them into OP even Burnham never went they far. Yes?
FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
It is no secret it is a well known fact that without Jagan's support Burnham would not have been able to nationalize demba, bookers and other companies that were the core of the industrial base and that was the economic engine of Guyana.

The PPP had as much a hand as the PNC in destroying Guyana. These are the facts.

The PPP has also embraced all the PNC criminals and taken them into OP even Burnham never went they far. Yes?

No disagreement. However, the buck has to stop with someone and that person at the time was Greenidge. Jagan and Burnham shared similar ideologies and as luck would have it, Jagan was robbed of the opportunity to implement his. Burnham stole that opportunity and as such is more responsible for the events during his rule.

 

The PPP embracing the thugs of the PNC's days is indefensible. They should have taken lesson from the days when those thugs used to show up and break up PPP rallies.

FM
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