Mars posted:

Labba posted:

Mars posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Victoria used to have a lot of Indos and Portuguese living there.  In the 1964 riots every single one of them was driven out.  Many of their homes and businesses burned to the ground.  There was the Sayroo family who had a huge bakery.  Giving food to many who couldn’t afford to buy.  Today they have survived and built another Sayroo bakery in Tampa, Fl.  The ashes of their home left far behind in Victoria.

Your story is not correct. I personally asked Sayroo about your story the last time you mentioned it. He said that you’re full of shyte.

Eh, eh...hey hey hey...yu know Miss Ivy too...wow dis GNI wurl is a small wurl...yuh defendin yuh PNC bais dem 

I was never a member of any political party in Guyana. I'm not like you and Uncle DG kissin PNC ass fuh lil wuk. So you runnin back home to the PPP this time around in a last ditch effort to get lil ministuh wuk? Yuh really desperate bhai, especially with oil money lying around. Miss Ivy is a serial liar like a few others here. Always making up some Anansi story and scandalizing people name. What is there to be gained from telling lies on a nondescript internet site? The last time she mentioned this, I was in Sayroo's bakery shortly afterwards. He told me that none of their property was ever burned. They moved to Enmore but it had nothing to do with a loss of property. The only thing he said that was burned was probably a few cheese rolls he left too long in the oven.

Hey hey hey...all dem bais know yuh want lil contracta contract so yuh can pay yuh kickback tax ... hey hey hey 

ksazma posted:

Cheese is made from milk and although Guyana had cows that produced milk, even milk was scarce in the early 80's. Another boastful record of the PNC. 

Milk, but augmented with other non-dairy products that stretch the milk.  I got a pilot sample of the cheese planned to produce in Guyana.  It had a deep yellow to slight Orange tone due to the Palm Oil component. East Germany was going to build the processing plant close to Moblissa. But the power-grid collapsed as did the rest of the country!  And everybody Tek plane run get away!

Mars posted:

Labba posted:

Mars posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Victoria used to have a lot of Indos and Portuguese living there.  In the 1964 riots every single one of them was driven out.  Many of their homes and businesses burned to the ground.  There was the Sayroo family who had a huge bakery.  Giving food to many who couldn’t afford to buy.  Today they have survived and built another Sayroo bakery in Tampa, Fl.  The ashes of their home left far behind in Victoria.

Your story is not correct. I personally asked Sayroo about your story the last time you mentioned it. He said that you’re full of shyte.

Eh, eh...hey hey hey...yu know Miss Ivy too...wow dis GNI wurl is a small wurl...yuh defendin yuh PNC bais dem 

Miss Ivy is a serial liar like a few others here. Always making up some Anansi story and scandalizing people name. What is there to be gained from telling lies on a nondescript internet site? The last time she mentioned this, I was in Sayroo's bakery shortly afterwards. He told me that none of their property was ever burned. They moved to Enmore but it had nothing to do with a loss of property. The only thing he said that was burned was probably a few cheese rolls he left too long in the oven.

Hey hey hey...De man Sayroo na go give yu he political story if yuh turn up and buy lil buttaflap and salara. Nobady do dat. Me tink Miss Ivy gat de story right foh dis one...hey hey hey...

My father was exporting "copra" to GT to making soap, toffee, and other products from coconuts. At home, he uses to make cassareep and cooking oil from the extracted water. Guyanese only know about cassava cassareep. I believe cheese should have made in Guyana rather than important cheese. Bread and cheese are two homemade products in hundreds of varieties. Egypt alone produced over 500 variety of cheese which I tasted about 50 right here in New York. Only Guyana seem like a country stuck in time. 

Baseman posted:

ksazma posted:

Cheese is made from milk and although Guyana had cows that produced milk, even milk was scarce in the early 80's. Another boastful record of the PNC. 

Milk, but augmented with other non-dairy products that stretch the milk.

 I got a pilot sample of the cheese planned to produce in Guyana.  

It had a deep yellow to slight Orange tone due to the Palm Oil component. East Germany was going to build the processing plant close to Moblissa. But the power-grid collapsed as did the rest of the country!  And everybody Tek plane run away!

That's good idea.

Baseman posted:

ksazma posted:

Cheese is made from milk and although Guyana had cows that produced milk, even milk was scarce in the early 80's. Another boastful record of the PNC. 

Milk, but augmented with other non-dairy products that stretch the milk.  I got a pilot sample of the cheese planned to produce in Guyana.  It had a deep yellow to slight Orange tone due to the Palm Oil component. East Germany was going to build the processing plant close to Moblissa. But the power-grid collapsed as did the rest of the country!  And everybody Tek plane run away!

Everything collapsed during the first PNC cursed rule. It happening again. The PNC is a scourge to Guyana.

Prince posted:

My father was exporting "copra" to GT to making soap, toffee, and other products from coconuts. At home, he uses to make cassareep and cooking oil from the extracted water. Guyanese only know about cassava cassareep. I believe cheese should have made in Guyana rather than important cheese. Bread and cheese are two homemade products in hundreds of varieties. Egypt alone produced over 500 variety of cheese which I tasted about 50 right here in New York. Only Guyana seem like a country stuck in time. 

Soap and Detergents was produced in Guyana.

Prince posted:

My father was exporting "copra" to GT to making soap, toffee, and other products from coconuts. At home, he uses to make cassareep and cooking oil from the extracted water. Guyanese only know about cassava cassareep. I believe cheese should have made in Guyana rather than important cheese. Bread and cheese are two homemade products in hundreds of varieties. Egypt alone produced over 500 variety of cheese which I tasted about 50 right here in New York. Only Guyana seem like a country stuck in time. 

You can go back to the 70's and find many things that Guyana could have produced rather than import or be deprived of had the PNC government been more concerned with developing the country rather consolidating their black power agenda pushing everyone else to the side. Eventually, those ignored talents shipped themselves out creating the brain drain that is so present all over the Guyana landscape.

Django posted:

Prince posted:

My father was exporting "copra" to GT to making soap, toffee, and other products from coconuts. At home, he uses to make cassareep and cooking oil from the extracted water. Guyanese only know about cassava cassareep. I believe cheese should have made in Guyana rather than important cheese. Bread and cheese are two homemade products in hundreds of varieties. Egypt alone produced over 500 variety of cheese which I tasted about 50 right here in New York. Only Guyana seem like a country stuck in time. 

Soap and Detergents was produced in Guyana.

I was living in GT and know all the industrial sites and what they produce. I had one foot in Berbice and one in GT, later in life. My homemade experience was a great start with coconut oil and cassareep. Unfortunately, I wasn't known to produce "bush rum" that would have made me a millionaire today.   

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

Bai after emancipation free black peopkle save money and buy nuff, nuff land all over de east coast and berbice. Nuff land...dis is know fact.

Okay. So dem buy land and Indos buy land tuh. So whah dem complaining about? Nobody tek dem land from dem.

In fact the authorities did take the land away from them and wanted them to FAIL.  Your lot were given well drained lands in land settlement schemes.

Now make yourself useful and go feed the swine!

Hey hey hey...me see dat loud mout TK deh write bout that. Dem Indoes get de drain land because de sugar people want dem foh stay in de plantation foh provide dem cheap labour. Only 12% Indos live pon well drain land. De free African dem buy nuff, nuff, nuff land in far place. De colonial did NOT always flood out African land deliberate. De place deh below sea level and dem days yuh had natural mud bank. Dis is why de colonial had to tek over responsible and dem put high tax foh drain dem village. Dis is de point that pot solt loud mout TK mek...stop blame wite man foh all abie trouble. Even Ronnie reflux stop blamin white man...hey hey hey...

Django posted:

Labba posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

What Mr Granger seh is fine. Is true black peopkle use education foh leave dem village foh de urban city. What wrong wid dat? De labba go pepper dem though when dem seh Indoes didnt gat right foh move in city and Indoes tek dem land. Me wonder who tek Ronnie Reflux and green sali land? Hey hey hey...

Me doubt dem ever had any land in Guyana. Based on dem arguments, dem land wuz in Afrika and dem wuz forcefully taken from dem land to another person's land dat dem know nuttin about?

Bai after emancipation free black peopkle save money and buy nuff, nuff land all over de east coast and berbice. Nuff land...dis is know fact.

In April 1840 Buxton Village was established on the East Coast, Demerara,British Guiana by 128 Africans who had been freed from chattel slavery on August 1st, 1838. The Africans pooled their money and bought a 500-acre plantation, New Orange Nassau from its owner James Archibald Holmes, for $50,000. They named the village Buxton in honour of abolitionist Thomas Fowell Buxton. Buxton was the second village established by Africans in British Guiana.

Victoria Village, also on the East Coast of Demerara was purchased in November 1839, by a group of 83 formerly enslaved Africans.    

https://guyaneseonline.net/201...ast-demerara-guyana/

This is only two, there are more.

Django, quit wasting your time with calcified racist scum whose racism is surpassed only by their gross ignorance of Guyana's history and facts. No black person posting here would bother to respond to them, only laugh at the jackass.

The history of black people's rise from slavery to owners of land is well documented, as is the opposition of the British who flooded those lands trying to subjugate blacks again, and taxing them out of business. Blacks then entered the civil service because many were EDUCATED! The vast amount of Indians at that time were illiterate, but would soon emerge from the plantations to enter business and so on as their literacy grew.

In the annals of Guyana's history, the nurses, midwives, teachers etc. were black. They were an educated class who could perform civil service jobs!

Blacks stayed in teaching, nursing, civil service etc. while Indians gravitated more toward entrepenurship. Note - their rice lands etc. were never flooded out by the British, nor were their efforts to farm.

To suggest that any one group, Indians or blacks, is superior in their emergence from slavery/indentureship is gross ignorance. The genetically bigoted indian posting here attempting to paint blacks as inferior displays his pure ignorance of Guyana's history.

But what can one expect from a neva see cum fuh see backwater trash whose  biggest accomplishment in Guyana was moving to the outskirts of georgetown.

Iguana posted:

Django posted:

Labba posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

What Mr Granger seh is fine. Is true black peopkle use education foh leave dem village foh de urban city. What wrong wid dat? De labba go pepper dem though when dem seh Indoes didnt gat right foh move in city and Indoes tek dem land. Me wonder who tek Ronnie Reflux and green sali land? Hey hey hey...

Me doubt dem ever had any land in Guyana. Based on dem arguments, dem land wuz in Afrika and dem wuz forcefully taken from dem land to another person's land dat dem know nuttin about?

Bai after emancipation free black peopkle save money and buy nuff, nuff land all over de east coast and berbice. Nuff land...dis is know fact.

In April 1840 Buxton Village was established on the East Coast, Demerara,British Guiana by 128 Africans who had been freed from chattel slavery on August 1st, 1838. The Africans pooled their money and bought a 500-acre plantation, New Orange Nassau from its owner James Archibald Holmes, for $50,000. They named the village Buxton in honour of abolitionist Thomas Fowell Buxton. Buxton was the second village established by Africans in British Guiana.

Victoria Village, also on the East Coast of Demerara was purchased in November 1839, by a group of 83 formerly enslaved Africans.    

https://guyaneseonline.net/201...ast-demerara-guyana/

This is only two, there are more.

Django, quit wasting your time with calcified racist scum whose racism is surpassed only by their gross ignorance of Guyana's history and facts. No black person posting here would bother to respond to them, only laugh at the jackass.

The history of black people's rise from slavery to owners of land is well documented, as is the opposition of the British who flooded those lands trying to subjugate blacks again, and taxing them out of business. Blacks then entered the civil service because many were EDUCATED! The vast amount of Indians at that time were illiterate, but would soon emerge from the plantations to enter business and so on as their literacy grew.

In the annals of Guyana's history, the nurses, midwives, teachers etc. were black. They were an educated class who could perform civil service jobs!

Blacks stayed in teaching, nursing, civil service etc. while Indians gravitated more toward entrepenurship. Note - their rice lands etc. were never flooded out by the British, nor were their efforts to farm.

To suggest that any one group, Indians or blacks, is superior in their emergence from slavery/indentureship is gross ignorance. The genetically bigoted indian posting here attempting to paint blacks as inferior displays his pure ignorance of Guyana's history.

But what can one expect from a neva see cum fuh see backwater trash whose  biggest accomplishment in Guyana was moving to the outskirts of georgetown.

Your problem is you make these bigots intemidate you. Retards and bigots come in all races. Do you also take to task the uneducated whites - dumb as a doornail yet pull rank on you because they happen to be white....

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

What Mr Granger seh is fine. Is true black peopkle use education foh leave dem village foh de urban city. What wrong wid dat? De labba go pepper dem though when dem seh Indoes didnt gat right foh move in city and Indoes tek dem land. Me wonder who tek Ronnie Reflux and green sali land? Hey hey hey...

Me doubt dem ever had any land in Guyana. Based on dem arguments, dem land wuz in Afrika and dem wuz forcefully taken from dem land to another person's land dat dem know nuttin about?

Based on whose arguments. There is a well known narrative that former slaved acquired failed plantations and built villages.   There is also another narrative that the colonial entities taxed them heavily and refused to provide drainage, and flooded out these villages, then refused to sell additional lands as the need for this was necessitated.  Indians did NOT go through this abuse.

So sit down, shut your swine mouth and learn something!

These claims are not documented. Where is the evidence that you are claiming. A flood is a flood water will eventually flood your area if you don't pretend floods in other areas.

Prashad posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

What Mr Granger seh is fine. Is true black peopkle use education foh leave dem village foh de urban city. What wrong wid dat? De labba go pepper dem though when dem seh Indoes didnt gat right foh move in city and Indoes tek dem land. Me wonder who tek Ronnie Reflux and green sali land? Hey hey hey...

Me doubt dem ever had any land in Guyana. Based on dem arguments, dem land wuz in Afrika and dem wuz forcefully taken from dem land to another person's land dat dem know nuttin about?

Based on whose arguments. There is a well known narrative that former slaved acquired failed plantations and built villages.   There is also another narrative that the colonial entities taxed them heavily and refused to provide drainage, and flooded out these villages, then refused to sell additional lands as the need for this was necessitated.  Indians did NOT go through this abuse.

So sit down, shut your swine mouth and learn something!

These claims are not documented. Where is the evidence that you are claiming. A flood is a flood water will eventually flood your area if you don't pretend floods in other areas.

Flooding neighboring with better equipment or drainage cannals is happening to this day. I can tell you there is fighting and killing to get water when there is drought or drainage when floods come around.

Prince posted:

My father was exporting "copra" to GT to making soap, toffee, and other products from coconuts. At home, he uses to make cassareep and cooking oil from the extracted water. Guyanese only know about cassava cassareep. I believe cheese should have made in Guyana rather than important cheese. Bread and cheese are two homemade products in hundreds of varieties. Egypt alone produced over 500 variety of cheese which I tasted about 50 right here in New York. Only Guyana seem like a country stuck in time. 

Prince is a youngster. Guyana had a cheese factory. It survived 6 months. It just could not compete with imported cheese from Holland and New Zealand. It was more expensive to produce cheese in Guyana than to import cheese.

When it comes to cottage cheese. That is a different ball game. Guyanese should make their own cottage cheese and use more cottage cheese rather than cheese.

sachin_05 posted:

Iguana posted:

Django posted:

Labba posted:

ksazma posted:

Labba posted:

What Mr Granger seh is fine. Is true black peopkle use education foh leave dem village foh de urban city. What wrong wid dat? De labba go pepper dem though when dem seh Indoes didnt gat right foh move in city and Indoes tek dem land. Me wonder who tek Ronnie Reflux and green sali land? Hey hey hey...

Me doubt dem ever had any land in Guyana. Based on dem arguments, dem land wuz in Afrika and dem wuz forcefully taken from dem land to another person's land dat dem know nuttin about?

Bai after emancipation free black peopkle save money and buy nuff, nuff land all over de east coast and berbice. Nuff land...dis is know fact.

In April 1840 Buxton Village was established on the East Coast, Demerara,British Guiana by 128 Africans who had been freed from chattel slavery on August 1st, 1838. The Africans pooled their money and bought a 500-acre plantation, New Orange Nassau from its owner James Archibald Holmes, for $50,000. They named the village Buxton in honour of abolitionist Thomas Fowell Buxton. Buxton was the second village established by Africans in British Guiana.

Victoria Village, also on the East Coast of Demerara was purchased in November 1839, by a group of 83 formerly enslaved Africans.    

https://guyaneseonline.net/201...ast-demerara-guyana/

This is only two, there are more.

Django, quit wasting your time with calcified racist scum whose racism is surpassed only by their gross ignorance of Guyana's history and facts. No black person posting here would bother to respond to them, only laugh at the jackass.

The history of black people's rise from slavery to owners of land is well documented, as is the opposition of the British who flooded those lands trying to subjugate blacks again, and taxing them out of business. Blacks then entered the civil service because many were EDUCATED! The vast amount of Indians at that time were illiterate, but would soon emerge from the plantations to enter business and so on as their literacy grew.

In the annals of Guyana's history, the nurses, midwives, teachers etc. were black. They were an educated class who could perform civil service jobs!

Blacks stayed in teaching, nursing, civil service etc. while Indians gravitated more toward entrepenurship. Note - their rice lands etc. were never flooded out by the British, nor were their efforts to farm.

To suggest that any one group, Indians or blacks, is superior in their emergence from slavery/indentureship is gross ignorance. The genetically bigoted indian posting here attempting to paint blacks as inferior displays his pure ignorance of Guyana's history.

But what can one expect from a neva see cum fuh see backwater trash whose  biggest accomplishment in Guyana was moving to the outskirts of georgetown.

Your problem is you make these bigots intemidate you. Retards and bigots come in all races. Do you also take to task the uneducated whites - dumb as a doornail yet pull rank on you because they happen to be white....

I take to task bigots of any stripe. I remind you this racist clown posting his "black people are the scourge of the earth" shyte is the one who does so without referencing the person he is responding to because they are "worth nothing".

He is the one intimidated by a black man who can manners his dumb ass and expose the ignorant shyte he writes for hours every day! He has to take to the corner and mumble shyte and run away!

sachin_05 posted:

 

Can you elaborate where or when coolies were given land?

Discuss all the land settlement schemes that Bookers had on offer.

http://www.guyana.org/features...story/chapter81.html

This written by a major PPP man so don't scream that he lied.

Now tell us when did the colonial government establish these settlement schemes for blacks.  In fact they over taxed the blacks (Buxton people stop train) and allowed the planters to flood the lands.  And after the major period of purchase by these black villagers they changed the rules to make further land purchases by them to be difficult. As a result over time the lands had to be increasingly subdivided and so became too small to be viable.

caribny posted:

sachin_05 posted:

 

Can you elaborate where or when coolies were given land?

Discuss all the land settlement schemes that Bookers had on offer.

 

http://www.guyana.org/features...story/chapter81.html

This written by a major PPP man so don't scream that he lied.

Now tell us when did the colonial government establish these settlement schemes for blacks.  In fact they over taxed the blacks (Buxton people stop train) and allowed the planters to flood the lands.  And after the major period of purchase by these black villagers they changed the rules to make further land purchases by them to be difficult. As a result over time the lands had to be increasingly subdivided and so became too small to be viable.

These land settlements were established by using the return money owing to the Indians, it was not for Free. Sorry to say the Black slaves had no such deal, they were treated as cattle by the White Massa.

Indian & Portuguese Buxtonians

kp posted:

 

These land settlements were established by using the return money owing to the Indians, it was not for Free. Sorry to say the Black slaves had no such deal, they were treated as cattle by the White Massa.

It was used in lieu of sending them back to India.  Those who wished to return to India did so.  Those who wanted to remain in Guyana had a start that freed slaves didn't get. 

The former slaves had to use up all of their earnings to acquire the lands, had to face estates flooding their lands, had to pay taxes so that the planters could import indentures from Madeira and China, and then from India.  The plan of course was to prevent an independent class of successful black petty traders and small farmers developing, because they saw this as a threat at a political and economic level.  They wanted these villages to fail and passed all sorts of laws.

Now how about after working FREE for generations, and destroying their family structures, if these former enslaved peoples received what some Indo indentures did?

Btw when the former slaves were economically undermined they were used as scab labor when the Indo indentures began to rebel.  They also brought in Bajans for that purpose and at one estate the Indo workers assaulted the Bajans in their rage. The planters played each off against the other, beginning the zero sum game that we still play today. 

Before Madeira and China, it was the free Afro-Americans and Island Blacks. Why is your history so prejudiced. These things are written or you think cooolie ppl still stupid and can read.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

 

These land settlements were established by using the return money owing to the Indians, it was not for Free. Sorry to say the Black slaves had no such deal, they were treated as cattle by the White Massa.

It was used in lieu of sending them back to India.  Those who wished to return to India did so.  Those who wanted to remain in Guyana had a start that freed slaves didn't get. 

The former slaves had to use up all of their earnings to acquire the lands, had to face estates flooding their lands, had to pay taxes so that the planters could import indentures from Madeira and China, and then from India.  The plan of course was to prevent an independent class of successful black petty traders and small farmers developing, because they saw this as a threat at a political and economic level.  They wanted these villages to fail and passed all sorts of laws.

Now how about after working FREE for generations, and destroying their family structures, if these former enslaved peoples received what some Indo indentures did?

Btw when the former slaves were economically undermined they were used as scab labor when the Indo indentures began to rebel.  They also brought in Bajans for that purpose and at one estate the Indo workers assaulted the Bajans in their rage. The planters played each off against the other, beginning the zero sum game that we still play today. 

 

Blackman was not the only race who suffered separation of families. Indians suffer the same. 

Wasnt flooding the land had to do with making the land more rich. Guysuco does that all the time after every crop. 

BTW, what does Indias have to do with purchases of blacks as slave and separation of families. Ayo picking on the wrong people. Go to the British. Ayo claimed to have the best huducation and the best job in the public service. 

seignet posted:

Before Madeira and China, it was the free Afro-Americans and Island Blacks. Why is your history so prejudiced. These things are written or you think cooolie ppl still stupid and can read.

The island blacks arrived with the Portuguese and the Madeirans and very few black Americans migrated to Guyana.  And the Islanders merely arrived.  They weren't recruited as indentures so the over taxed Guyanese blacks didn't pay for their arrival.  Their arrival in fact benefitted Guyanese blacks, given that the local black population was declining because of the bad conditions that so many lived under.

Check your own racism as you scream that black people should be cursed to remain impoverished.

Dave posted:

 

Blackman was not the only race who suffered separation of families. Indians suffer the same. 

Wasnt flooding the land had to do with making the land more rich. Guysuco does that all the time after every crop. 

BTW, what does Indias have to do with purchases of blacks as slave and separation of families. Ayo picking on the wrong people. Go to the British. Ayo claimed to have the best huducation and the best job in the public service. 

If your weren't so blinded by your hatred of blacks you will see that I went DIRECTLY to the British.  Who do you think owned the estates that flooded the lands, or over taxed the black farmers, or passed laws that made it impossible for them to acquire more lands!

Oh I see. So when a plantation owner was bankrupt and wanted to raise quick cash he went to the slave quarters and sold off the parents, leaving the kids as orphans?  Preventing each from every seeing the other again, given that their movements were controlled.

Please point out when indentures were sold off like cattle.

Do you know that during slavery the balance sheets had black people listed along with farm animals as assets.  To them that it all we were FARM ANIMALS!

And yes I can see that when the sugar estates flooded the land and the water poured onto people's farms, flooding out their crops these farmers were so happy at the losses that they then controlled.  And given that malaria was rife more excess water breeding more babies who then died after contracting malaria was an event that they celebrated.