Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Prashad  you have to learn how to fight intra-racism.  This is the battle the PPP has to deal with effectively to stop the demoralizing effect it's having on the psyche of our people.  Many in this country believes an Indian who stands up for the rights of his people is a racist. This is not the same case when a blackman defends the rights of his people. We must be accorded the same respect as others when we find it necessary to speak out against injustices that harm our people.  There is no racism in doing so. 

Stay on and battle. 

Perhaps your views might get a little more respect if you were to stand up for the rights of your GUYANESE people which will encompass discrimination from all sources directed to all victims. How can you fail to understand that your point of view only perpetuates the calamity that is Guyana? Don't you think the division will cease to exist if the government is inclusive? Shyte rolls downhill. The less educated people at the bottom cannot help but mimic the people at the top.

How do you get a government to be inclusive? By not speaking out against blatant racism against a particular racial group?  Would the problem of racism perpetuates if an Amerindian chief charge that the central government's budgetary allocations reflect favoritism to Non-Amerindians? For our government to be inclusive they must accept and encourage pressure groups to speak out on issues that they feel are discriminatory.  This is the only way we can have a more understanding society. Declaring every group's complaints as part of the problem is non-sensical.   

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Declaring every group's complaints as part of the problem is non-sensical.   

Please explain the logic behind this statement. Why would individual groups be complaining if they're not part of the problem? Are you claiming that it is nonsensical to approach the government with a list of discriminatory acts against various parties?

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Declaring every group's complaints as part of the problem is non-sensical.   

Please explain the logic behind this statement. Why would individual groups be complaining if they're not part of the problem? Are you claiming that it is nonsensical to approach the government with a list of discriminatory acts against various parties?

You are getting all confused. Your logic is that if a group complain about particular problem that they find discriminatory that automatically makes them part of the problem. Where is the logic here?  

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Love it!

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

Prashad you need to accept reality... a sovereign state in Guyana for Indians will never happen. You are torching yourself and this is unnecessary stress on you ... I will think!!!

This is not the way to unite people. In today's generation, you dare not speak of segregation. 

India doesn't have this .... 

it can be interpret as a hate crime in Canada and you are in the Military. 

"A hate crime is a criminal offence committed against a person or property, the motive for which is based in whole or in part upon the victim's race, religion, nationality, ethnic origin, gender, disability or sexual orientation."

Antabanta you see this woman here. That is Ayelet Shaked.  She is the Israeli Justice Minister and an Iraqi Jew.  She is a highly trained soldier and computer expert that can probably slice you up with a knife in a few minutes. It is not how much muscles you have or strenght you have but the extensive training that you have had.  If East Indians receive quality training they can be excellent soldiers.

Imran posted:

Prashad you need to accept reality... a sovereign state in Guyana for Indians will never happen. You are torching yourself and this is unnecessary stress on you ... I will think!!!

This is not the way to unite people. In today's generation, you dare not speak of segregation. 

India doesn't have this .... 

it can be interpret as a hate crime in Canada and you are in the Military. 

"A hate crime is a criminal offence committed against a person or property, the motive for which is based in whole or in part upon the victim's race, religion, nationality, ethnic origin, gender, disability or sexual orientation."

Points taken Imran.

Are those grey eyes she have.  She is not bad looking 

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Prashad  you have to learn how to fight intra-racism.  This is the battle the PPP has to deal with effectively to stop the demoralizing effect it's having on the psyche of our people.  Many in this country believes an Indian who stands up for the rights of his people is a racist. This is not the same case when a blackman defends the rights of his people. We must be accorded the same respect as others when we find it necessary to speak out against injustices that harm our people.  There is no racism in doing so. 

Stay on and battle. 

Perhaps your views might get a little more respect if you were to stand up for the rights of your GUYANESE people which will encompass discrimination from all sources directed to all victims. How can you fail to understand that your point of view only perpetuates the calamity that is Guyana? Don't you think the division will cease to exist if the government is inclusive? Shyte rolls downhill. The less educated people at the bottom cannot help but mimic the people at the top.

Guyana border are man made. And in dispute with Venezuela and Suriname. Brazil already took half of Ankoko.

I see nothing wrong wid cooolie people teking from Abary to Crabwood Creek.

It is not segregation. It is self determination. Wasn't segregation when Biafara tried it. Bangladesh did it. Eriteria did it, South Sudan done it. Pakistan did it, Czech and Slovania done it.

Even a tiny island like Cyprus did it. 

Shyte sticks, never seen it rolling down no hill.  

Prashad posted:

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Prashad  you have to learn how to fight intra-racism.  This is the battle the PPP has to deal with effectively to stop the demoralizing effect it's having on the psyche of our people.  Many in this country believes an Indian who stands up for the rights of his people is a racist. This is not the same case when a blackman defends the rights of his people. We must be accorded the same respect as others when we find it necessary to speak out against injustices that harm our people.  There is no racism in doing so. 

Stay on and battle. 

Perhaps your views might get a little more respect if you were to stand up for the rights of your GUYANESE people which will encompass discrimination from all sources directed to all victims. How can you fail to understand that your point of view only perpetuates the calamity that is Guyana? Don't you think the division will cease to exist if the government is inclusive? Shyte rolls downhill. The less educated people at the bottom cannot help but mimic the people at the top.

Guyana border are man made. And in dispute with Venezuela and Suriname. Brazil already took half of Ankoko.

I see nothing wrong wid cooolie people teking from Abary to Crabwood Creek.

It is not segregation. It is self determination. Wasn't segregation when Biafara tried it. Bangladesh did it. Eriteria did it, South Sudan done it. Pakistan did it, Czech and Slovania done it.

Even a tiny island like Cyprus did it. 

 

 

Venezuela is occupying Ankoko not Brazil. Suriname is claiming New River Triangle. They tried in 69 and were promptly expelled. There is an excellent article by Michael Chan-a-sue, one of the pilots involved in the operation. The one thing Granger did that I like was when Maduro sent troops to the Venezuelan border, he responded by moving units to our border.

I will share this with everyone. I must admit I am guilty at times expressing my views, which can be... due to personal experience ... but everyone is Not the same .

At the East Coast car park, a East Indian was intoxicated and sitting on the edge of a concrete barrier, he fell backwards in a muddy canal ... the Indians who were around fail to render any assistance  . A few blacks came together and help him out and wash him down. The Taxi and bus drivers ( INDIANS)refused to take him in there vehicle. 

The blacks pool money and a black taxi driver takes him home . 

Prashad posted:

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

BS, Anta is still alive and well.

The Turks in Cyprus were forced to have their own land because of Greek discrimination and oppression.

GTAngler posted:

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

Be honest now. Do you think they killed him because of being an Indo or another reason?

I would wrestle with her anytime anyplace anyhow. mmm mmm mmm

Imran posted:

I will share this with everyone. I must admit I am guilty at times expressing my views, which can be... due to personal experience ... but everyone is Not the same .

At the East Coast car park, a East Indian was intoxicated and sitting on the edge of a concrete barrier, he fell backwards in a muddy canal ... the Indians who were around fail to render any assistance  . A few blacks came together and help him out and wash him down. The Taxi and bus drivers ( INDIANS)refused to take him in there vehicle. 

The blacks pool money and a black taxi driver takes him home . 

Wow. That was something.

GTAngler posted:

Prashad posted:

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

Thanks for sharing Gt

cain posted:

GTAngler posted:

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

Be honest now. Do you think they killed him because of being an Indo or another reason?

Pretty sure it was because he didn't join and they were afraid he was going to rat on them.

Imran posted:

I will share this with everyone. I must admit I am guilty at times expressing my views, which can be... due to personal experience ... but everyone is Not the same .

At the East Coast car park, a East Indian was intoxicated and sitting on the edge of a concrete barrier, he fell backwards in a muddy canal ... the Indians who were around fail to render any assistance  . A few blacks came together and help him out and wash him down. The Taxi and bus drivers ( INDIANS)refused to take him in there vehicle. 

The blacks pool money and a black taxi driver takes him home . 

Absolutely right. I think I said this a few weeks ago. The older generation has the burden of what they, both sides, endured. We can't expect them to forgive and forget overnight. We were not in their shoes. My parents kept political discussions away from us but every once in a while I'd hear stories. Some of them you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. The younger generation has the luxury of not carrying that burden. It's going to be up to us and the future generations to move forward and I'll keep the faith that one day it will happen. Maybe not in my time.

GTAngler posted:

cain posted:

GTAngler posted:

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

Be honest now. Do you think they killed him because of being an Indo or another reason?

Pretty sure it was because he didn't join and they were afraid he was going to rat on them.

Thank you for your honesty, so in reality this part does not go with the rest of the post and no part of the discussion when you think of it,   "In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit."

Yet again, this is where a certain poster loses it on you guys. I ain't callin name.

Well true to a point. Had he not been Indian, would he have been spared the beheading? We don't know. I know a soldier who served under Granger and when I expressed hope that a military man might be able to straighten things out, he said Granger was a racist and was particularly harder on the Indo Guyanese.  I also knew one other Indo Guyanese soldier and he went through a hard time. Fortunately he was a badass so nobody really wanted to tangle with him.

cain posted:

Prashad posted:

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

BS, Anta is still alive and well.

They are not aware that I, of mostly East Indian descent, am a former infantry officer of the GDF.

Would you mind giving us an honest recapitulation of your experience?

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Declaring every group's complaints as part of the problem is non-sensical.   

Please explain the logic behind this statement. Why would individual groups be complaining if they're not part of the problem? Are you claiming that it is nonsensical to approach the government with a list of discriminatory acts against various parties?

You are getting all confused. Your logic is that if a group complain about particular problem that they find discriminatory that automatically makes them part of the problem. Where is the logic here?  

You're nagging, not complaining, and only about one ethnic group, completely ignoring the atrocities committed by that same ethnic group. The logic is that in ignoring other issues/incidents of discrimination against other ethnic groups you paint yourself as ethnocentric and lacking objectivity.

GTAngler posted:

Prashad posted:

antabanta posted:

Prashad posted:

Antabanta it is not a matter of excluding anyone. When you have a sovereign country you can have the tools to protect your own people. We East Indians are not only a bunch of sellers of dry goods or like the anti-koolies say a bunch of hill koolie . We come from warriors who faced huns, Mongolians and Greeks. 

Guyana is a sovereign country. The six Guyanese races are the people of Guyana. Why don't all those hun-facing warriors enter the military in Guyana?

Antabanta the East Indians of Guyana are riisking their lives in basic training by racists then they face discrimination when they are in the service.

In all seriousness, Indo Guyanese are picked on and given a really hard time to make them quit. Few years ago, a friend of my father-in-law's son was beheaded because he found out about an internal arms smuggling ring and refused to join.

Not true. I'm am a former infantry officer in the GDF.

Prashad posted:

Antabanta you see this woman here. That is Ayelet Shaked.  She is the Israeli Justice Minister and an Iraqi Jew.  She is a highly trained soldier and computer expert that can probably slice you up with a knife in a few minutes. It is not how much muscles you have or strenght you have but the extensive training that you have had.  If East Indians receive quality training they can be excellent soldiers.

So, your excuse for IndoGuyanese abstaining from military service is that they know, before-hand, that they will not receive training? That makes no sense. Thank you for the lecture in the benefits of training. I successfully completed Officer Cadet training in Guyana, hold a black belt in martial arts, and have fared well in physical training and competition.

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Prashad  you have to learn how to fight intra-racism.  This is the battle the PPP has to deal with effectively to stop the demoralizing effect it's having on the psyche of our people.  Many in this country believes an Indian who stands up for the rights of his people is a racist. This is not the same case when a blackman defends the rights of his people. We must be accorded the same respect as others when we find it necessary to speak out against injustices that harm our people.  There is no racism in doing so. 

Stay on and battle. 

Perhaps your views might get a little more respect if you were to stand up for the rights of your GUYANESE people which will encompass discrimination from all sources directed to all victims. How can you fail to understand that your point of view only perpetuates the calamity that is Guyana? Don't you think the division will cease to exist if the government is inclusive? Shyte rolls downhill. The less educated people at the bottom cannot help but mimic the people at the top.

Guyana border are man made. And in dispute with Venezuela and Suriname. Brazil already took half of Ankoko.

I see nothing wrong wid cooolie people teking from Abary to Crabwood Creek.

It is not segregation. It is self determination. Wasn't segregation when Biafara tried it. Bangladesh did it. Eriteria did it, South Sudan done it. Pakistan did it, Czech and Slovania done it.

Even a tiny island like Cyprus did it. 

Shyte sticks, never seen it rolling down no hill.  

 

Venezuela took Ankoko, not Brazil. You and the 2 or 3 other coolies who want to take from Abary to Crabwood Creek are not entitled to it.

GTAngler posted:

Would you mind giving us an honest recapitulation of your experience?

Sure. The top brass of the military (all races) were (still are) PNC loyalists with a few (all races) anti-PNC who risk ruining their careers. Lower ranking officers and Other Ranks don't give a shyte about PNC or PPP and only care that their comrade will stick around when booleggeh brace. To this day I have strong, and tested, bonds with my squaddies. The cameraderie rises above race, religion, and creed.

Does that answer your question?

Yes it does. Thank you.

GTAngler posted:

Imran posted:

I will share this with everyone. I must admit I am guilty at times expressing my views, which can be... due to personal experience ... but everyone is Not the same .

At the East Coast car park, a East Indian was intoxicated and sitting on the edge of a concrete barrier, he fell backwards in a muddy canal ... the Indians who were around fail to render any assistance  . A few blacks came together and help him out and wash him down. The Taxi and bus drivers ( INDIANS)refused to take him in there vehicle. 

The blacks pool money and a black taxi driver takes him home . 

Absolutely right. I think I said this a few weeks ago. The older generation has the burden of what they, both sides, endured. We can't expect them to forgive and forget overnight. We were not in their shoes. My parents kept political discussions away from us but every once in a while I'd hear stories. Some of them you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. The younger generation has the luxury of not carrying that burden. It's going to be up to us and the future generations to move forward and I'll keep the faith that one day it will happen. Maybe not in my time.

Well said !!! No races can live without each other in Guyana.

The public service has majority of blacks... the blacks spend their money at  the Indian businesses . At The blacks restaurant more spices/ ingredients in the food not forgetting  napkins and cutlery in abundance... not the same at Indians restaurant. 

Within our own race there is jealousy and envy . Religions have their own problems and within the same religion their is two groups who wants to behead the other.

antabanta posted:

seignet posted:

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Prashad  you have to learn how to fight intra-racism.  This is the battle the PPP has to deal with effectively to stop the demoralizing effect it's having on the psyche of our people.  Many in this country believes an Indian who stands up for the rights of his people is a racist. This is not the same case when a blackman defends the rights of his people. We must be accorded the same respect as others when we find it necessary to speak out against injustices that harm our people.  There is no racism in doing so. 

Stay on and battle. 

Perhaps your views might get a little more respect if you were to stand up for the rights of your GUYANESE people which will encompass discrimination from all sources directed to all victims. How can you fail to understand that your point of view only perpetuates the calamity that is Guyana? Don't you think the division will cease to exist if the government is inclusive? Shyte rolls downhill. The less educated people at the bottom cannot help but mimic the people at the top.

Guyana border are man made. And in dispute with Venezuela and Suriname. Brazil already took half of Ankoko.

I see nothing wrong wid cooolie people teking from Abary to Crabwood Creek.

It is not segregation. It is self determination. Wasn't segregation when Biafara tried it. Bangladesh did it. Eriteria did it, South Sudan done it. Pakistan did it, Czech and Slovania done it.

Even a tiny island like Cyprus did it. 

Shyte sticks, never seen it rolling down no hill.  

 

Venezuela took Ankoko, not Brazil. You and the 2 or 3 other coolies who want to take from Abary to Crabwood Creek are not entitled to it.

I mean Venezuela, not Brazil, took Ankoko. I doubt that Venezuela could take Brazil.

Imran posted:

Within our own race there is jealousy and envy . Religions have their own problems and within the same religion their is two groups who wants to behead the other.

This means there is no difference from race to race and from religion to religion. We are all one, regardless of our ethnic and religious differences. Those differences are abused by individuals who manipulate our emotions and use us as the support for their personal agendas.

Prashad posted:

Antabanta you see this woman here. That is Ayelet Shaked.  She is the Israeli Justice Minister and an Iraqi Jew.  She is a highly trained soldier and computer expert that can probably slice you up with a knife in a few minutes.

I would gladly stand up for her.

GTAngler posted:

Well true to a point. Had he not been Indian, would he have been spared the beheading? We don't know. I know a soldier who served under Granger and when I expressed hope that a military man might be able to straighten things out, he said Granger was a racist and was particularly harder on the Indo Guyanese.  I also knew one other Indo Guyanese soldier and he went through a hard time. Fortunately he was a badass so nobody really wanted to tangle with him.

Anti-koolie is an ideology that is hard to break once it is indoctrinated.

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

antabanta posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Declaring every group's complaints as part of the problem is non-sensical.   

Please explain the logic behind this statement. Why would individual groups be complaining if they're not part of the problem? Are you claiming that it is nonsensical to approach the government with a list of discriminatory acts against various parties?

You are getting all confused. Your logic is that if a group complain about particular problem that they find discriminatory that automatically makes them part of the problem. Where is the logic here?  

You're nagging, not complaining, and only about one ethnic group, completely ignoring the atrocities committed by that same ethnic group. The logic is that in ignoring other issues/incidents of discrimination against other ethnic groups you paint yourself as ethnocentric and lacking objectivity.

Please go back to my original statement and show me where I said only one group has the right to complain. 

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

Would you mind giving us an honest recapitulation of your experience?

Sure. The top brass of the military (all races) were (still are) PNC loyalists with a few (all races) anti-PNC who risk ruining their careers. Lower ranking officers and Other Ranks don't give a shyte about PNC or PPP and only care that their comrade will stick around when booleggeh brace. To this day I have strong, and tested, bonds with my squaddies. The cameraderie rises above race, religion, and creed.

Does that answer your question?

I can't think of anything honorable the GDF has ever done for Guyana. I can think of many dishonorable things they have done at the behest of Forbes Burnham and Desmond Hoyte. The GDF did a shameful job in stopping criminals from using Buxton as a base for crime during operation Plaster Paris.  Shame you bastards!  The people of Guyana deserve a better military that is free from political ties.  Take your hypocritical self somewhere else. We know the military and we know you .