The other day, I read the Burning of the University of Nalanda in Bihar. The Moslem Invader enquired from the Teaching Holy Men, "Do you have a copy of the Quran in your vast libraries." The answer was no. And the Muslim barbarian set the place on fire. It burnt for four months just from the vast amount of written knowledge stored in its vaults. That was in the 12th century, the muslim barbarian severed the heads of thousands during his celebration of Allah uh Akbar. This 21st century, they are still barbaric-in their thinking and deeds.

Strange disciples.

yuji22 posted:

Keffer posted:

yuji22 posted:

Good point. Look how the PNC fooled up an entire young generation and now they are getting a good kick from them.

Excellent observation.

My prayers to the families of those affected by 9/11. I visited the sight soon after it occured and it was very horrific.

 

I hope you also offered prayers for the estimated 2 million Vietnamese who were slaughtered in their own country by the USA; on the basis of a concocted pack of lies !

Keff,

I am quite shocked by your response. Are you saying that the attack on 9/11 was not real ? 

A friend of mine lost his wife during that terrorist attack. 

BTW, my prayers have nothing to with politics. It is shocking that someone especially you cannot show some sympathy for the victims and families affected.

 

Yuji, what did you find shocking about my response ? Please point to anything in my statement that indicates my denial or pleasure with this horrific event. Two of my cousins lost their lives in this tragedy and the effect on their wives and children is still evident to this day. One of my closest friends and his wife were injured too; the wife quite severely and they are still very edgy about working in that part of NYC ! As much as we must all detest and reject the barbarity of 9/11, I also know that we cannot continue to ignore the root cause; resentment that has been built up in various parts of the world because the USA has consistently been less than even-handed ! One cannot seek solutions to problems without resolution of discontent that was bred through injustice and blatantly improper use of power. Stokely Carmichael, a man I admired, used to say: There can be no remission of sin without the shedding of blood ! While I do not agree with this in its entirety, it certainly speaks about the need for the rich and powerful to be just and even-handed. In this respect, the USA has been blatantly opportunistic on scores of occasions; Iraq, Palestine, Cuba and several others readily come to mind ! Why does the USA need to have a staff compliment of >5600 at its embassy in Iraq, a nation that it invaded and from which it and its sidekick England boldly and brazenly stole Iraqi oil that was valued many, many billions of dollars ! I have been to Iraq and, as a function of what my job demands, I have travelled extensively in the Middle-East, Africa, India, Pakistan and further east. On several occasions I have noted clear indications of resentment of the USA in several countries.

The lesson that I learnt was 'do not expect to be welcome in someone's home after you have barefacedly cheated them or stolen from them'. The USA has done that time and time again; even in our own little Guyana! As a function of what I do, I travel quite frequently and it never ceases to surprise me when I hear ugly comments and questions about America.  

The USA has been blatantly less than even-handed in its relationships and dealings with many countries; often times they have been bullies too. I am no longer surprised when I hear Americans complaining about not being able to have their own way... the reality is that most people are resentful of strangers being loud and disrespectful to them in their own homelands. We can deal with Vietnam later on .... it is time to sleep.

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

cain posted:

Keffer , if Islam forbids harm to others can you remember what happened when a cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed?

How about the beheadings, was that carried out by Hindus?

You need to understand that laws and the actions of individuals are two separate things. If the drawing of the Prophet was in contravention of the law in a particular country, then anyone who violates the law is subject to sanctions as prescribed by law; simple, isn't it ? Similarly, with respect to your second question, beheadings done by Hindus; wherever that took place, would have been subject to the laws the country in which the beheadings were done. I have no idea where this occurred but one would expect that there would be laws that prescribe punishment in such cases. 

Prashad posted:

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

Well Prash, if that turns you on, you are entitled to buy the hotdogs, etc. What is the point that you are trying to make ? America is not the only country that has street vendors; we have had loads of them in GT for many years now !

Keffer posted:

cain posted:

Keffer , if Islam forbids harm to others can you remember what happened when a cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed?

How about the beheadings, was that carried out by Hindus?

You need to understand that laws and the actions of individuals are two separate things. If the drawing of the Prophet was in contravention of the law in a particular country, then anyone who violates the law is subject to sanctions as prescribed by law; simple, isn't it ?

Keff,

It's not a law,it's a prohibition,a central tenet of Islam to worship God alone.

"The prophet himself was aware that if people saw his face portrayed by people, they would soon start worshiping him," Akbar Ahmed, who chairs the Islamic Studies department at American University, told CNN. "So he himself spoke against such images, saying 'I'm just a man.' "

https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04...et-images/index.html

Keffer posted:

Prashad posted:

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

Well Prash, if that turns you on, you are entitled to buy the hotdogs, etc. What is the point that you are trying to make ? America is not the only country that has street vendors; we have had loads of them in GT for many years now !

I think his point is about America's tolerance.

Gilbakka posted:

September 11, 2018. Terrible Misunderstanding Day in GNI Political Forum.

the misunderstanding is on your part. You sought to politicize and interject your communist bullshit and hatred of America on the remembrance of an occasion where there was the highest loss of CIVILIAN life on America's shores. Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea and China beckon you. Make haste!

Keffer posted:

cain posted:

Keffer , if Islam forbids harm to others can you remember what happened when a cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed?

How about the beheadings, was that carried out by Hindus?

You need to understand that laws and the actions of individuals are two separate things. If the drawing of the Prophet was in contravention of the law in a particular country, then anyone who violates the law is subject to sanctions as prescribed by law; simple, isn't it ? 

SOMEHOW THIS DOES NOT MAKE KILLING SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THEIR DRAWING, RIGHT.

Similarly, with respect to your second question, beheadings done by Hindus; wherever that took place, would have been subject to the laws the country in which the beheadings were done. I have no idea where this occurred but one would expect that there would be laws that prescribe punishment in such cases. 

I WAS SPEAKING OF BEHEADINGS CARRIED OUT BY NONE OTHER BUT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM.

Mitwah posted:

Keffer posted:

Prashad posted:

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

Well Prash, if that turns you on, you are entitled to buy the hotdogs, etc. What is the point that you are trying to make ? America is not the only country that has street vendors; we have had loads of them in GT for many years now !

I think his point is about America's tolerance.

He is speaking to himself (prashad) and even then he misunderstands. Dumb as a fcking rock! Multiple long winded, ranting, jihadist type posts without a point. Brevity is not his strong point. Wading thru the shit he writes in order to craft a response is a waste of time. This fool is "concerned" about wastage of disk space, but yet he responds multiple times to the same post with the same response and only one line different. He is a certified jackass.

cain posted:

Keffer posted:

cain posted:

Keffer , if Islam forbids harm to others can you remember what happened when a cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed?

How about the beheadings, was that carried out by Hindus?

You need to understand that laws and the actions of individuals are two separate things. If the drawing of the Prophet was in contravention of the law in a particular country, then anyone who violates the law is subject to sanctions as prescribed by law; simple, isn't it ? 

SOMEHOW THIS DOES NOT MAKE KILLING SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THEIR DRAWING, RIGHT.

Similarly, with respect to your second question, beheadings done by Hindus; wherever that took place, would have been subject to the laws the country in which the beheadings were done. I have no idea where this occurred but one would expect that there would be laws that prescribe punishment in such cases. 

 

I WAS SPEAKING OF BEHEADINGS CARRIED OUT BY NONE OTHER BUT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM. 

Cain,  this Jihadist is playing ignorant. His Islamist ancestors slaughtered millions of Hindus and forced their religion, which was founded on paganism,  on the Hindus. 

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

Strong words,to distinguish Keffer.

My opinion, you have a problem with it ?

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

I disagree that it is no longer relevant. India's was about 600 million Hindus at the time of the Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500's the population was 200 million Hindus.

As you know, Dharma is the first word in the Bhagavat Gita and Lord Krishna implores his devotees to protect it. 

Keffer is highly educated. Do you think that he did not comprehend Cain's question? 

yuji22 posted:

My opinion, you have a problem with it ?

The strong accusation is what matters.

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

My opinion, you have a problem with it ?

The strong accusation is what matters.

None of your bloody business. You missed the big picture here.

yuji22 posted:

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

My opinion, you have a problem with it ?

The strong accusation is what matters.

None of your bloody business. You missed the big picture here.

Rude !! when confronted.

What picture ?

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

Iguana posted:

Mitwah posted:

Keffer posted:

Prashad posted:

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

Well Prash, if that turns you on, you are entitled to buy the hotdogs, etc. What is the point that you are trying to make ? America is not the only country that has street vendors; we have had loads of them in GT for many years now !

I think his point is about America's tolerance.

He is speaking to himself (prashad) and even then he misunderstands. Dumb as a fcking rock! Multiple long winded, ranting, jihadist type posts without a point. Brevity is not his strong point. Wading thru the shit he writes in order to craft a response is a waste of time. This fool is "concerned" about wastage of disk space, but yet he responds multiple times to the same post with the same response and only one line different. He is a certified jackass.

The point that I am trying to make is that there are certain fundamental rights that are guaranteed in the ABC countries.  A halal pushcart vendor working at the 9/11 memorial site. That is why Keffer is living in North America in a $700,000 dollar house and getting a very nice pension at the end of every month.

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

The fault lies with spiritual leaders not dharma. I do not practice Karma Kanda sections of the Vedas. The problem lies with a disconnect with the young generation and Karma Kanda practices. It will continue to decline in Guyana unless Pandits present dharma the way it was spoke to by Krsna in BG.

There is a reason why I broke away from Karma Kanda practises. It just does not make sense. 

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And I suppose Guyana's Muslims are to blame?

yuji22 posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

The fault lies with spiritual leaders not dharma. I do not practice Karma Kanda sections of the Vedas. The problem lies with a disconnect with the young generation and Karma Kanda practices. It will continue to decline in Guyana unless Pandits present dharma the way it was spoke to by Krsna in BG.

There is a reason why I broke away from Karma Kanda practises. It just does not make sense. 

On point.  Jai Shri Krishna. 

Np. Have a good day. 

GTAngler posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And I suppose Guyana's Muslims are to blame?

Nope. In Success ECD, there is place called Khan's bar. I understand there are underaged girls working there. The bar is filled and there were only about 6 people in the temple on a special observation night. Go figure.

Iguana posted:

Mitwah posted:

Keffer posted:

Prashad posted:

There is a man with his pushcart that now sells Halal Hotdogs, Halal hamburgers and Falafel in front of the new World Trade Centre and memorial every day.  That is America for you.

Well Prash, if that turns you on, you are entitled to buy the hotdogs, etc. What is the point that you are trying to make ? America is not the only country that has street vendors; we have had loads of them in GT for many years now !

I think his point is about America's tolerance.

He is speaking to himself (prashad) and even then he misunderstands. Dumb as a fcking rock! Multiple long winded, ranting, jihadist type posts without a point. Brevity is not his strong point. Wading thru the shit he writes in order to craft a response is a waste of time. This fool is "concerned" about wastage of disk space, but yet he responds multiple times to the same post with the same response and only one line different. He is a certified jackass.

Looks like you mixed up Prashad with Demerara Guy.

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And still Hindus are fighting each other.  A pandit complained to me recently that those Kali people are out to make trouble.  He just does not get it that nothing is keeping them from leaving Hinduism.

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

Strong words,to distinguish Keffer.

Keffer knows that he comes from Hindu roots.  That is why those Pakistanis are looking at him like a hawk when he is in Pakistan.

Prashad posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And still Hindus are fighting each other.  A pandit complained to me recently that those Kali people are out to make trouble.  He just does not get it that nothing is keeping them from leaving Hinduism.

What do mean by Kali people?

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

I disagree that it is no longer relevant. India's was about 600 million Hindus at the time of the Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500's the population was 200 million Hindus.

As you know, Dharma is the first word in the Bhagavat Gita and Lord Krishna implores his devotees to protect it. 

Keffer is highly educated. Do you think that he did not comprehend Cain's question? 

Mits, what rass are you peddling here? India's population has always been on the increase and in 1500 was 99 Million. India came close to 200 million only in the early 1800s.

Mitwah posted:

Prashad posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And still Hindus are fighting each other.  A pandit complained to me recently that those Kali people are out to make trouble.  He just does not get it that nothing is keeping them from leaving Hinduism.

What do mean by Kali people?

Kali mai puga people

Prashad posted:

Mitwah posted:

Prashad posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits, last time I checked, dharma is strong. Krsna consciousness is growing very strong espcaially in foreign countries. 

There is zero threat to dharma right now.

I do appreciate your anger and position. 

I think, you are really out of touch of what's happening in Guyana. For more than 2 decades now Guyana has become very adharmic. Hindus are on the decline and the mandirs are virtually empty.

And still Hindus are fighting each other.  A pandit complained to me recently that those Kali people are out to make trouble.  He just does not get it that nothing is keeping them from leaving Hinduism.

What do mean by Kali people?

Kali mai puga people

Thanks for the clarification. Kali people to me means black people. Worship of Kaali Maya is part of Hinduism. What trouble is your pandit talking about? Most pundits in Guyana lack any formal training.

The pandits of Guyana worldview extends to their village and surrounding areas. They only know about fighting other hindus. They should have started decades ago introducing the religion to Afro Guyanese and Amerindian converts.

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

What radical ? Since when does disagreement with you translate into someone being a radical ? How many time do millions of Muslims need to proclaim their disagreement with acts of violence to make them acceptable to you ? Where was your voice when violence was launched against some residents of a village because they ate beef ? That was very peaceful, wasn't it ! How many times do ignoramuses like you need to be reminded that there are radicals in every group, be it religion, race, politics, sport, etc. ? 

Keffer posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

What radical ? Since when does disagreement with you translate into someone being a radical ? How many time do millions of Muslims need to proclaim their disagreement with acts of violence to make them acceptable to you ? Where was your voice when violence was launched against some residents of a village because they ate beef ? That was very peaceful, wasn't it ! How many times doDo ignoramuses like you need to be reminded that there are radicals in every group, be it religion, politics, sport, etc. ? 

Ever thought that your foreparents were most likely Hindus who were forced to convert to Islam at the tip of a sword?

cain posted:

Keffer , if Islam forbids harm to others can you remember what happened when a cartoonist drew a picture of Mohammed?

How about the beheadings, was that carried out by Hindus?

Yes, I remember that, however, you evidently have a massive problem with English comprehension, don't you ! Since when and by what bizarre method of reasoning do you conclude that the actions of people who do wrong are indicative of the doctrine of their religion ? If you drive through and intersection while the traffic light was red, does that mean people of your faith, community or ethnicity should have their driver's licenses revoked ? By your method reasoning, given what occurred during WW2, all Germans are culpable for the massacres of various peoples in Europe and should therefore have been executed. Is that what you are trying to tell us ? That is precisely what your statement translates into !

Mitwah posted:

Keffer posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mits there is no question that Keffer has exposed himself as a radical.

On the other hand, we should avoid bringing up what invaders did to India. It is no longer relevant and will just start a whole new unnecessary argument.

Just my two cents. 

What radical ? Since when does disagreement with you translate into someone being a radical ? How many time do millions of Muslims need to proclaim their disagreement with acts of violence to make them acceptable to you ? Where was your voice when violence was launched against some residents of a village because they ate beef ? That was very peaceful, wasn't it ! How many times doDo ignoramuses like you need to be reminded that there are radicals in every group, be it religion, politics, sport, etc. ? 

Ever thought that your foreparents were most likely Hindus who were forced to convert to Islam at the tip of a sword?

The notion that Islam was 'spread by the sword' does not mean that people of other faiths were forcefully converted 'at the tip of a sword; that is just that; a notion ! Sword or no sword, do you think it is possible to force millions of people into believing and accepting a religion that is entirely unheard of and new to them and their existing way of life ? Even if that was attempted by the Mughals, the converted people would have resorted to their previous faiths and practices the minute their captors turned their backs. By conquest, the Mughals invaded India and maintained control of it for a long period of time and there were indeed conversions but not as you think and outlined above. Do you know that during the period of colonial ownership/control of Guyana and other colonies by the British many Indo Guyanese converted from Hinduism and Islam to Christianity because, unless they did that, it was virtually impossible for them to gain entry into the teaching profession and civil service. I have no doubt whatsoever that my forebears many generations ago, while they were in India, were indeed Hindus. Their conversion to Islam, however, was not by force as you and some others would like us to believe. If that was the case, people within the entire mass of India would have been Muslims today.    

There was the case of the poet Muhammad Iqbal. His grandfather was a Kashmir Hindu Bramin who got a job as a Treasury bookkeeper for the Mughal king. He stole a quality of gold from the Treasury and was caught. He was given the option by the Mughal king of converting to Islam or have his head chopped off. He chose to convert and live.

Prashad posted:

There was the case of the poet Muhammad Iqbal. His grandfather was a Kashmir Hindu Bramin who got a job as a Treasury bookkeeper for the Mughal king. He stole a quality of gold from the Treasury and was caught. He was given the option by the Mughal king of converting to Islam or have his head chopped off. He chose to convert and live.

Prashad, we are dealing with reality; not fairy tales !