Since when closing a non profitable Sugar Estate is a "Sinister Plan".

The picture with dat sleazeball up deh is a sinister pla.

PPP like non performing businesses...no wonder Guyana got in the state it's in

cain posted:

The picture with dat sleazeball up deh is a sinister pla.

LOL

BTW...what's dat Dr. business...what was his PhD thesis

This is a not a viable business operation when they are not able to produce sugar for less than 55 cents per pound.

1700 plus 1000's other will suffer, tell me what plans the government has for the unemployed, why not sell Wales to a private company, maybe they can do better than the government. All you jokers can bray, and bray, you are all in North America collecting Welfare/ social assistance, so what do you care of Guyanese, Black , Brown , and Yellow. In Canada if a government owned corporation should close, there will be provisions to pay generous severance packages and early pensions and or assist with relocation.

It was well known that the Demerara estates weren't profitable. In fact when the PPP moved ahead with the infamous Skeldon factor the plan was to focus sugar in Berbice and phase out Demerara.

So why isn't Jagdeo not focusing on developing alternate forms of agriculture, and ensuring that displaced workers get help in transitioning to this.  It can include a waiver of lease expenses for a few years, with the lease costs then used against the gradual purchase of the lands.

But Jagdeo doesn't get a chance to scream "black man bad" if he does this.

Now when Jagdeo abandoned Lindeners to the Chinese, and many were dumped into starvation, what did Jagdeo do?  NOTHING!

Mitwah posted:

This is a not a viable business operation when they are not able to produce sugar for less than 55 cents per pound.

Producing beet sugar is not profitable either.  Why is the US govt subsidizing the beet farmers? They do the same for the sugar cane industry in Louisiana.

Is is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

kp posted:

1700 plus 1000's other will suffer, tell me what plans the government has for the unemployed, why not sell Wales to a private company, maybe they can do better than the government. All you jokers can bray, and bray, you are all in North America collecting Welfare/ social assistance, so what do you care of Guyanese, Black , Brown , and Yellow. In Canada if a government owned corporation should close, there will be provisions to pay generous severance packages and early pensions and or assist with relocation.

Which private company will invest in an unprofitable company,Sugar is no more king in Guyana.

Who told you that.

kp posted:

why not sell Wales to a private company,

The Chinese are broke, and no one else is interested in sugar, and certainly not with workers who have a high propensity to be absent and to go on strike.

Best thing is to divide the lands, and give priority to the workers to engage in some other type of farming.

I wonder though, did you cry when Lindeners were dumped on the bread line? No you laughed and screamed "blackman lazy".

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

This is a not a viable business operation when they are not able to produce sugar for less than 55 cents per pound.

Producing beet sugar is not profitable either.  Why is the US govt subsidizing the beet farmers? They do the same for the sugar cane industry in Louisiana.

Powerful sugar interests force subsidies. 

Plus aren't you all always screaming that the country is broke? They do NOT have money to endlessly subsidize GuySICKO!

yuji22 posted:

Is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

Are you saying they should strike?? that will be bad GUYSUCO.

yuji22 posted:

Is is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

When former bauxite workers protester, you called them hooligans, savages, lazy, and you had a powerful orgasm when PPP police goons fired into them, with some killed, and many more injured.

Given the racial dynamics of Guyana sugar and rice areas will vote PPP in the LGE. Once APNU wins G/town, Linden, Bartica, New Amsterdam, and a few other areas, they really don't have to care about this.

When the PPP shot down Lindeners, did the sugar workers empathize with them, with the notion that they might have the same problem down the road?  NO!  They screamed "ungrateful lazy blackman" and rejoiced when the police fired into the crowds.

yuji22 posted:

Is is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

Yuji, remember the police force and the army are saturated with PNC thugs. You might be asking the sugar workers to be human sacrifice.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

why not sell Wales to a private company,

The Chinese are broke, and no one else is interested in sugar, and certainly not with workers who have a high propensity to be absent and to go on strike.

Best thing is to divide the lands, and give priority to the workers to engage in some other type of farming.

I wonder though, did you cry when Lindeners were dumped on the bread line? No you laughed and screamed "blackman lazy".

Me thinks that was mentioned here,that route should be looked at.

Mr Jagdeo is going to deal with this purely as a political opportunity. I hope the workers are smart enough to ask what he would have done differently. I hope they understand the connection between Skeldon mal-investment and its cause of overall loss of revenues that make subsidizing Wales more difficult. All sides have to take blame here. Even Komal Chand said over 20 years ago Hoyte wanted to close Wales. You cannot keep subsidizing a loss making entity that was never really competitive going back 200+ years. By now the political class ought to have a viable alternative. In any case, sugarcane is very different than bauxite. Sugarcane has numerous industrial applications. That is what makes this whose episode so sad. GAWU has to also understand it has a greater role to play than just delivering the Indo vote bank to the PPP. In Germany unions often suggest alternatives. That's how the German corporate governance system is structured.

Django posted:

caribny posted:

kp posted:

why not sell Wales to a private company,

The Chinese are broke, and no one else is interested in sugar, and certainly not with workers who have a high propensity to be absent and to go on strike.

Best thing is to divide the lands, and give priority to the workers to engage in some other type of farming.

I wonder though, did you cry when Lindeners were dumped on the bread line? No you laughed and screamed "blackman lazy".

Me thinks that was mentioned here,that route should be looked at.

I laugh at the PPP screams. Had they won the election they would also have closed this estate. 

But its better party politics to scream "blackman bad" now that they no longer have that responsibility.

A responsible PPP would instead focus on demanding alternate plans and ensuring that the laid off workers weren't simply abandoned, but assisted in participating in these new activities. Rent free lands (for a period), free technical assistance, low interest loans, etc.

skeldon_man posted:

yuji22 posted:

Is is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

Yuji, remember the police force and the army are saturated with PNC thugs. You might be asking the sugar workers to be human sacrifice.

Bhai,

Don't underestimate cane cutters.

Indo sugar workers of today are not like Indo sugar workers of yesterday. This might sendup up shaking up this administration. They need a shake up right now.

Timing could have not been any better.

If the AFC/PNC military ends up murdering sugar workers, Guyana might see the entire sugar industry backing Wales.

Interesting times ahead.

yuji22 posted:

 

Bhai,

Don't underestimate cane cutters.

Into sugar workers of today are not like Indo sugar workers of yesterday. This might sendup up shaking up this administration. They need a shake up right now.

Timing could have not been any better.

Ramotar set a precedent when he allowed Lindeners to be shot down in cold blood.

See how things come back to haunt!

And from a political point of view why should APNU care?  How many votes did they get from these people?

Granger might be smart and just simply ignore them. What then?

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

Is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

Are you saying they should strike?? that will be bad GUYSUCO.

The country is broke because the corrupted PNC terrorists gave themselves 50% raise. PPP did not leave the country broke. This was a false alarm to distract the people from what the thugs were going to do.
They were planning all along to get rich by legalising their theft.

caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

 

Bhai,

Don't underestimate cane cutters.

Into sugar workers of today are not like Indo sugar workers of yesterday. This might sendup up shaking up this administration. They need a shake up right now.

Timing could have not been any better.

Ramotar set a precedent when he allowed Lindeners to be shot down in cold blood.

See how things come back to haunt!

Whatever I posted went right over your head since you are blinded by your Afro KKK.

skeldon_man posted:

 

PPP did not leave the country broke.

So why did GuySICKO scream, the day after the PPP lost, that it couldn't meet payroll, and that only security guards were going to get paid?

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

Is about time that thousands and thousands of sugar workers descend to parliament and let the AFC/PNC Police/Military dictators know that they will stand up to them.

Jagdeo is on to something here. 

This might end up being one of the biggest protest since Independence if and when such an action is organized. Workers across must join in solidarity with their brothers and sisters at Wales.

Great timing before Local elections.

Kudos to Bharat.

Are you saying they should strike?? that will be bad GUYSUCO.

The country is broke because the corrupted PNC terrorists gave themselves 50% raise. PPP did not leave the country broke. This was a false alarm to distract the people from what the thugs were going to do.
They were planning all along to get rich by legalising their theft.

The tide is shifting. Closing down Wales might be the last straw that broke the camel's back.

AFC/PNC (dumb/dumber) are playing right into the hands of the PPP.

yuji22 posted:

 

Whatever I posted went right over your head since you are blinded by your Afro KKK.

It didn't go over my head. If sugar workers protest, and Granger ignores them what then?

Will they burn down G/town?  But then rich Indians will protest!

Here is something that you don't understand.  In the LGE the PPP will win in the sugar and rice belt. APNU will not win, and has no expectation that it will win.

G/town residents, who were abused by the PPP, care little about the fate of GuySICKO workers, as the sugar workers called them "lazy blackman, and screamed that G/town should get nothing".

So what is it that went over my head?

SUGAR IS DEAD!

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

PPP did not leave the country broke.

So why did GuySICKO scream, the day after the PPP lost, that it couldn't meet payroll, and that only security guards were going to get paid?

That doesn't mean the country was broke. Guysuco was broke.

skeldon_man posted:

The country is broke because the corrupted PNC terrorists gave themselves 50% raise. PPP did not leave the country broke. This was a false alarm to distract the people from what the thugs were going to do.
They were planning all along to get rich by legalising their theft.

I agree. The PPP thugs sent out false alarms to distract people..what pricks eh?

yuji22 posted:

 

The tide is shifting. Closing down Wales might be the last straw that broke the camel's back.

AFC/PNC (dumb/dumber) are playing right into the hands of the PPP.

When Berbice finds out that Wales must be dumped to prevent the GuySICKO ship from sinking, they will say, good, go ahead.

Sad for you people act out of their own self interest.

skeldon_man posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

PPP did not leave the country broke.

So why did GuySICKO scream, the day after the PPP lost, that it couldn't meet payroll, and that only security guards were going to get paid?

That doesn't mean the country was broke. Guysuco was broke.

The PPP decided to dump Guymine because it was broke.  Be glad that, up to now, APNU isn't planning to do the same to GuySICKO.

Any reason, aside from race that GuySICKO workers should be treated better than Guymine workers were?  Both companies were broke.  Both were poorly managed.  Neither were competitive.

What is good for the goose, ought to be good for the gander!

RiffRaff posted:

SUGAR IS DEAD!

I will like any of them to try to own a company which produces at 55c and sells out 14c, meaning a loss of 41c!

caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

 

The tide is shifting. Closing down Wales might be the last straw that broke the camel's back.

AFC/PNC (dumb/dumber) are playing right into the hands of the PPP.

When Berbice finds out that Wales must be dumped to prevent the GuySICKO ship from sinking, they will say, good, go ahead.

Sad for you people act out of their own self interest.

And you act out in the interest of the poor families who are going to suffer? If the estate was predominantly PNC supporters and the PPP had chose to close it, there would have been mo fiah slow fiah. They would have needed to open a charcoal factory.

skeldon_man posted:

 

And you act out in the interest of the poor families who are going to suffer?

Now why didn't you ask that question when the PPP ruthlessly abandoned Lindeners to their fate?

You didn't care.

So let the workers march into G/town.  Let Granger ignore them.  Let them burn down G/town.  All of those rich Indos, including Bobby, will join APNU/AFC right away!

It is good to see our leader listen to the problems of the people.

TK posted:

Mr Jagdeo is going to deal with this purely as a political opportunity. I hope the workers are smart enough to ask what he would have done differently. I hope they understand the connection between Skeldon mal-investment and its cause of overall loss of revenues that make subsidizing Wales more difficult. All sides have to take blame here. Even Komal Chand said over 20 years ago Hoyte wanted to close Wales. You cannot keep subsidizing a loss making entity that was never really competitive going back 200+ years. By now the political class ought to have a viable alternative. In any case, sugarcane is very different than bauxite. Sugarcane has numerous industrial applications. That is what makes this whose episode so sad. GAWU has to also understand it has a greater role to play than just delivering the Indo vote bank to the PPP. In Germany unions often suggest alternatives. That's how the German corporate governance system is structured.

From the beginning Mr. Jagdeo was against closing any sugar factory or to privatize the industry. What political opportunity are you talking about? 1700 families will go on the bread line and wonder where their next meal will come from.

Cobra posted:

 

From the beginning Mr. Jagdeo was against closing any sugar factory or to privatize the industry. What political opportunity are you talking about? 1700 families will go on the bread line and wonder where their next meal will come from.

Well unless GuySICKO is fixed, it will be 17,000.   No company is sustainable if its costs are 3X its earnings.   This is where the PPP left Guysuco!

We are the majority from one of the Greatest civilizations not some coconut oil head koolie. It is time for us as a people to consider the final option independence if we are treated as garbage.

Prashad posted:

We are the majority from one of the Greatest civilizations not some coconut oil head koolie. It is time for us as a people to consider the final option independence if we are treated as garbage.

In your travels did you find any uninhabited island you and your people dem could go an hang out so to keep your Indian habit, you know like shit by the roadside an' so on?