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ksazma posted:

Now these fools talking about the consent of the voters in 2015. The same fools who were on the band wagon in 2014 to limit the 5 years term of Ramotar's government.

the two PARTIES (not compromised individuals on a List) representing the will of the majority voting in national elections signaled their intention to vote the PPP Gov't out of office for their crimes

Ramoutar decided to prorogue parliament to buy time and hold fresh elections

there is a difference!

FM
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Not surprised that the PNC is still as despotic as they ever were.

Since when abiding by the law is despotic ??

CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

Suddenly the “ Law is the Law “ cause if fits perfectly on the other foot . 

 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Not surprised that the PNC is still as despotic as they ever were.

Since when abiding by the law is despotic ??

CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

Suddenly the “ Law is the Law “ cause if fits perfectly on the other foot . 

 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

Django
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Django posted:
 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

I notice that while the PNC vociferously objected to Charrandas being ineligible to be an MP because of his dual citizenship, has not come forward with any process to purge their side of Parliament of any other dual citizenship MPs. It looks like they are not yet ready to change the lawlessness. The PNC likes to talk about leadership by example. What is holding them back from purging their house? 

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

I notice that while the PNC vociferously objected to Charrandas being ineligible to be an MP because of his dual citizenship, has not come forward with any process to purge their side of Parliament of any other dual citizenship MPs. It looks like they are not yet ready to change the lawlessness. The PNC likes to talk about leadership by example. What is holding them back from purging their house

We will find out when the list of candidates are presented.

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

I notice that while the PNC vociferously objected to Charrandas being ineligible to be an MP because of his dual citizenship, has not come forward with any process to purge their side of Parliament of any other dual citizenship MPs. It looks like they are not yet ready to change the lawlessness. The PNC likes to talk about leadership by example. What is holding them back from purging their house

We will find out when the list of candidates are presented.

I wonder how many more excuses the PNC will try to whip up before they actually have a list or even elections. 

FM
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Trust me. I have given up on being irrational or emotional. The actions of the PNC makes it very easy to dislike them. What the f uck is so hard for them to do the right thing? Are they so scared of the voters right now? Or is it worse. They feel that they don't require the consent of the voters to remain in power. The previous PNC didn't think the voters consent was required.

there are VERY GOOD REASONS the Guyana Gov't is elected for terms of 5 years and not, let's say, 1 year

the PPP attempted a 'Constitutional' coup d'ÃĐtat to thwart the will of the voters using a compromised, illegally-sitting MP as their instrument

NOBODY "elected" that fraud Charandaas to anything

yesss, let's talk about the "consent of the voters" . . . they spoke clearly on that issue in 2015!

And there are very good reasons the constitution allows for the early termination of Govt when the majority of the MPs see fit!

FM
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Trust me. I have given up on being irrational or emotional. The actions of the PNC makes it very easy to dislike them. What the f uck is so hard for them to do the right thing? Are they so scared of the voters right now? Or is it worse. They feel that they don't require the consent of the voters to remain in power. The previous PNC didn't think the voters consent was required.

there are VERY GOOD REASONS the Guyana Gov't is elected for terms of 5 years and not, let's say, 1 year

the PPP attempted a 'Constitutional' coup d'ÃĐtat to thwart the will of the voters using a compromised, illegally-sitting MP as their instrument

NOBODY "elected" that fraud Charandaas to anything

yesss, let's talk about the "consent of the voters" . . . they spoke clearly on that issue in 2015!

And there are very good reasons the constitution allows for the early termination of Govt when the majority of the MPs see fit!

Dem bais are now forced to scrape the battam of de barrel. Vert pathetic theatre. 

FM
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

Trust me. I have given up on being irrational or emotional. The actions of the PNC makes it very easy to dislike them. What the f uck is so hard for them to do the right thing? Are they so scared of the voters right now? Or is it worse. They feel that they don't require the consent of the voters to remain in power. The previous PNC didn't think the voters consent was required.

there are VERY GOOD REASONS the Guyana Gov't is elected for terms of 5 years and not, let's say, 1 year

the PPP attempted a 'Constitutional' coup d'ÃĐtat to thwart the will of the voters using a compromised, illegally-sitting MP as their instrument

NOBODY "elected" that fraud Charandaas to anything

yesss, let's talk about the "consent of the voters" . . . they spoke clearly on that issue in 2015!

And there are very good reasons the constitution allows for the early termination of Govt when the majority of the MPs see fit!

ahmmm, OK . . . what exactly in my post are you rebutting?

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Not surprised that the PNC is still as despotic as they ever were.

Since when abiding by the law is despotic ??

CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

Suddenly the “ Law is the Law “ cause if fits perfectly on the other foot . 

 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

Only after alyu lose you want to change "lawlessness"? What is this lawlessness (please define it in terms of Guyana's political climate) and who (be independent as possible) is perpetrating this lawlessness?

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Not surprised that the PNC is still as despotic as they ever were.

Since when abiding by the law is despotic ??

CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

Suddenly the “ Law is the Law “ cause if fits perfectly on the other foot . 

 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

Only after alyu lose you want to change "lawlessness"? What is this lawlessness (please define it in terms of Guyana's political climate) and who (be independent as possible) is perpetrating this lawlessness?

Do you own research !!! asking too much questions !!! hint start from 1968.

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Not surprised that the PNC is still as despotic as they ever were.

Since when abiding by the law is despotic ??

CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

Suddenly the “ Law is the Law “ cause if fits perfectly on the other foot . 

 

Time to change the LAWLESSNESS. Allowed for too long.

Only after alyu lose you want to change "lawlessness"? What is this lawlessness (please define it in terms of Guyana's political climate) and who (be independent as possible) is perpetrating this lawlessness?

Do you own research !!! asking too much questions !!! hint start from 1968.

I knew you would take the fisherman's approach. Wonder why I asked YOU for this? Check your responses. You seem to be a tag team partner of Redux. The man gives you a lot of likes and your return the favor.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

I knew you would take the fisherman's approach. Wonder why I asked YOU for this? Check your responses. You seem to be a tag team partner of Redux. The man gives you a lot of likes and your return the favor.

Rubbish,  too lazy to research, just coming here asking a bunch of questions.

Django
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VVP posted:

And for y'all americans:

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
  1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
  2. in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and.
  3. sign an oath of renunciation.

The only man that I know who ever gave up US citizenship is Edward Seaga of Jamaica. He was born in Boston to Jamaican parents.

Prashad
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:

I knew you would take the fisherman's approach. Wonder why I asked YOU for this? Check your responses. You seem to be a tag team partner of Redux. The man gives you a lot of likes and your return the favor.

Rubbish,  too lazy to research, just coming here asking a bunch of questions.

I am not lazy to do research. How can one research Django's supposedly legal opinion? Are you that famous that your writings are on the internet? Buddy, you make opinion statements to justify your support for a dictatorial regime. Should I consult Wikipedia for your writings and legal opinions? Or are the Russians going to do a dump of them?

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:

Bibi, seems you got the art of cut and paste. Anyway the CEO of GECOM can't make the decision to meet the CHIEF WHIPS, that authority have to be given by the GECOM Chairman.

No hullabaloo there, the law is the law.

The trouble though Django is that even Patterson said last week that he doctor said he can return to work but folks from the government told him to take more time off to get better.

When I worked in Guyana back in the 80s, I heard a co-worker seeking to get something done did not accept the explanation that the person to do it was not available. She said, "what if he dies, someone else will still have to do it". The crooked PNC clutching at another straw send the man into hiding so they can remain illegally in office. 

I doan think Django get all of that. When a person choose the side of wrong, either they know it is a wrong and being a bully or the mind clutches in to rationalize bad behaviour. This particular case the PNC.

S
Prashad posted:
VVP posted:

And for y'all americans:

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
  1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
  2. in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and.
  3. sign an oath of renunciation.

The only man that I know who ever gave up US citizenship is Edward Seaga of Jamaica. He was born in Boston to Jamaican parents.

Mrs. J did too.

What I do not understand, is the citizens of Guyana meking all this hoopla about dual citizenship. Or just the politicians.

Considerations muss be considered, it was always the Guyanese abroad who gave back to the country, in remittances and other forms of gifts to their friends and relatives back home.

The politicians total 65 miserable PRICKS, I am sure doan give the citizens nothing but miseries. String dem skonts up at the Parade Grounds.

And why the fck, the so called leader bring dem skonts to Canada, USA and Britain. Asking for Dual Citizens to help. Also, seek our participation in free and fair elections in Guyana. What the Fck.

And these same 65 pricks, offer prestige positions to their friends nd relatives in government jobs as consultants who possess citizenship of another country.

If honesty prevailed in Guyana, it would be revealed, every educated person has a document that allows free access to a foreign country.

Ignorance abundance. A struggling Guyana, weeds out the only people who could help them. PNC logic, punish the ppl.

S
seignet posted:
Prashad posted:
VVP posted:

And for y'all americans:

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
  1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
  2. in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and.
  3. sign an oath of renunciation.

The only man that I know who ever gave up US citizenship is Edward Seaga of Jamaica. He was born in Boston to Jamaican parents.

Mrs. J did too.

What I do not understand, is the citizens of Guyana meking all this hoopla about dual citizenship. Or just the politicians.

If Mrs. J refers to Mrs. Janet Jagan; reference to similarity is incorrect.

While Mrs. Janet Jagan was a born US citizen, the US_of_A government  directly deprived her of her US citizenship in the early 1940's.

That means --- she is absolutely not longer a US citizen and had to obtain the necessary permits; just like other foreigners; should she want to visit the US-of_A.

FM
ronan posted:

NOBODY "elected" that fraud Charandaas to anything

 

His name had to be on the list to be on the list prior to the last elections to be extracted.

But why y'all fariners don't read the article below, this is old news.  If y'all wuz living in Guyana y'all woulda no.

MPs with dual citizenship spotlight constitutional breach

February 5, 2015

Some current Members of Parliament (MPs) from both government and opposition hold citizenship in Guyana and other countries—a continuing breach of the Constitution that is acknowledged but has still not been corrected.

Article 155 of the Constitution states, “no person shall be qualified for election as a member of the National Assembly who – (a) is, by virtue of his own act, under any acknowledgement of allegiances, obedience or adherence to a foreign power or state.”

Further, Article 156 (1) of the Constitution states that a person shall vacate his seat in the National Assembly if he ceases to be a citizen of Guyana.

Before Nomination Day last year, commentator and newspaper columnist Christopher Ram wrote to the Chief Elections Officer Gocool Boodoo to highlight the issue and referred the Guyana Elections Commission (Gecom) to articles 53 and 155.

“I am assuming that the Leader of each Party’s List of candidates for the national elections as well as you in your capacity as Chief Elections Officer are not unaware of the clear import and intent of these provisions and in particular Article 155 (1). It is my view that there is a serious obligation on your part to verify that the eligibility requirements are satisfied. You should be aware too that while there might have been breaches in the past, this cannot justify a continuation of an unconstitutional violation in such an important matter,” Ram also stated.

Ram told Stabroek News that this was more than an academic matter, while explaining that the constitutional provisions are intended to ensure that legislators are loyal to Guyana and Guyana alone.

“A similar situation arose in Jamaica recently where politician Mr Daryl Vaz gave up his naturalized US citizenship in order to continue in Jamaican politics. That those who seek to make laws for the citizens of any country must be willing to submit themselves to those very laws at all times is almost superfluous to state,” he said.

Ram added that the “permissiveness” that characterised previous parliaments “has led us into the present state of non-governance and lawlessness.” He said that it is time “to start holding our next batch of parliamentary representatives to account begins now.”

According to a source in government, the issue is a concern to both government and opposition MPs as it would appear that the provisions of the Constitution have been breached by each of the three parties in the National Assembly. Additionally, commentators have said that from their attendance at the sittings of the Constitutional Reform Commission, between 1998 and 2000, the feeling was that persons with dual citizenship would not be fully committed to Guyana and may up and leave when the going gets tough. There was also the feeling that those with dual citizenship cannot serve two masters.

Contacted for a comment, Presidential Adviser Gail Teixeira told this newspaper to carry out proper research and pointed to a number of articles in the Constitution which speak to the issue.

AFC Chairman Khemraj Ramjattan on Thursday weighed in on the issue in his personal capacity, acknowledging that those who hold seats in Parliament and have foreign passports are in breach of the Constitution, but saying that he believed that the law should be amended to accommodate them.

He said that because of the skills that many of these persons may have, it could be argued that they should be allowed to serve the country of their birth. Additionally, it could also be argued that they should not be made to walk away from the benefits that they would be entitled to, having lived and worked in their adopted country.

“There is a challenge for the AFC. We have to be frank and say that those who have foreign citizenship [and sit in Parliament] are breaching the Constitution,” Ramjattan noted. “I think that they should be allowed to participate,” he said. “They love this country. They had to leave it because of problems with governance. This should not disallow them from participating,” he added, while pointing out the work and contributions of MPs such as Dr Leslie Ramsammy, Teixeira and Dr Rupert Roopnaraine, all of whom are believed to hold dual citizenship. Ramsammy and Teixeira are both longstanding MPs for the party in government, the PPP/C. The late MP and Minister Satyadeow Sawh was a Canadian citizen.

Ramjattan is of the view that to hinder those persons from playing a role in the country’s development would not only be a disservice to them but also to the country.

“When we formed our party we had support from the Diaspora. I don’t like the idea of asking the Diaspora for their money and not allowing them to participate,” he said. The AFC had among its campaign promises for the recent general elections the setting aside of a seat in the National Assembly for a representative from the Diaspora.

Ramjattan explained that in the globalised world, the concept of sovereignty is becoming more diluted. He feels that because of the movement of people, the Constitution should be accommodating. “To ask them to denounce their allegiance would mean that their benefits [from overseas] will be taken away. It is not practical,” he said. Ramjattan also pointed out that the AFC has people in its ranks who said they would rather not be parliamentarians because of the constitutional provisions.

Leader of the Opposition and of A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) David Granger said the coalition has not met to discuss the issue but this will be happening in the not too distant future. Speaking on his own behalf on Thursday evening, Granger said it was quite clear that there are large numbers of people living outside  Guyana and this has been the case for several decades. “From the time that law was written, the situation has changed,” he said. “The Diaspora is so large and important [to Guyana]. We should not continue to have such a dichotomy situation,” he said, noting that there are almost a corresponding number of people of Guyanese birth living outside the country as those living in it. He said too that migration is a common phenomenon.

“I am not saying here that the law must be changed. I am saying that we should hear what the people need and establish the laws they want,” Granger added.

Asked about the argument made that persons with foreign nationalities will not be loyal to Guyana, he said that when persons migrated from Guyana, they did so because of economic reasons, not because they were disloyal or because of their ideology. He further pointed out that persons from the Diaspora have come back and given of their skills and time in the interest of developing Guyana.

FM
ksazma posted:

The only reason this dual citizenship is an issue is because the crooked PNC lost a NC motion. Laughable yet is while they are desperately seeking to nullify his vote they are staunch in their position that the other dual citizens who voted are eligible. 

ahmmm, where exactly in their legal papers do you find that?

i have the full set of pleadings in front of me

y'all dunce PPP big-mouths love to talk shyte just for talk sake

FM
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Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

So it is only an issue now because the PNC lost a NC motion.

Just a HUGE if ... IF ...

-- the votes on December 21, 2018 were ...

-- 33 for the PNCR/APNU/AFC; and

-- 32 for the PPPC

most likely, there would have been tremendous laughter and happiness that the result was in favour of the PNCR/APNU/AFC.

Just like how they were yucking it up before the vote.

FM

Interesting article from this source ...

Entorno Inteligente by Herman Porras Molina

============================

Shuman must account for stewardship

2 días ago, January 13, 2019, Entorno Inteligente, Herman Porras, Molina, https://www.entornointeligente...unt-for-stewardship/

Entornointeligente.com / Former Toshao of St Cuthbert’s Mission, Luke Simon ÃĒ€” former toshao Luke Simon says SAYING that he has nothing against Lenox Shuman, a former Toshao of St Cuthbert’s Mission, Luke Simon said the presidential aspirant must first account for his stewardship in that Amerindian reservation and lamented his decision to break up a $5M eco lodge his administration had built.

Shuman will be launching his partyÃĒ€”Liberal and Justice PartyÃĒ€” on Saturday at an event billed for the Georgetown Club. He had said via the Stabroek News that some of the party’s primary objectives include constitutional reform, particularly to diminish the powers of the office of the president and to move the governance structure from a proportional representation model to a constituency-based democracy at the national level. “Give the power to the people”, and “define governance versus power-sharing formula to provide a better governance structure,” he said.

Other constitutional reforms proposal he advanced include provisions for allowing post electoral coalitions, developing and implementing a strong environmental policy that will be enforceable, and developing an economic model that will not be solely dependent on oil revenues. The new party proposes, Shuman said, that oil revenues be used to provide “free” education to all citizens.

Already numerous allegations have resurfaced about Shuman’s tenure in office as the toshao of St Cuthbert’s Mission. He has denied all of them. However, Simon said when he demitted office, Shuman took over from him and he handed over a lot of items. “I was a bit surprised to see how he used up the things that I handed overâ€Ķtake for instance, one of the most important projects that I was involved in was an ecotourism lodge, which (Shuman) brought downâ€Ķ” Simon said he is very concerned about this mostly because the project would have brought in vast revenues to St. Cuthbert’s Mission. “It was a bit odd to see how they dismantled the building and actually, I don’t know, sold the rest of the investments because for that purpose we had bought hammocks, and we had bought gas stoves and cylinders and even bought a speedboat.”

” I’m not bad-talking him, but I’m worried about what happened to that eco-lodge, because it would have brought in revenues to St. Cuthbert’s Mission and it would have enabled the village council [to become] involved in other projects and it would have meant more income for them and we wouldn’t have to be asking for money here and there. Even that, other arms like the youth group and farmers and so, would have produced and support the eco lodge as well, even poultry farmers. I thought it out carefully when I undertook such a project and more so, it was a funded project by UNDP in collaboration with IDB. So that’s what I’m worried about,” Simon said.

Also persons are questioning whether Shuman is a citizen of Canada. Shuman is reported to have left Guyana in 1990 for Canada where he attended Confederation College of Applied Arts and Technology, graduating with a Business Diploma and a Canadian Commercial Pilot’s License in 1999. Over the years, he has periodically returned to contribute to the St. Cuthbert’s Mission community, located off the Soesdyke-Linden Highway as, according to him, the chief hood can be traced back to his great, great, grandfather. He is also married to a Canadian, but became a re-migrant some years now. Prior to forming the party, he served as toshao of St Cuthbert’s Mission and vice-chairman of the National Toshaos Council (NTC).

Since he announced his running as leader for the LJP, numerous complaints have re-surfaced from residents of St Cuthbert’s Mission and others who had encounters with the former village leader. A visit by this newspaper to St Cuthbert’s Mission in December heard complaints about missing council items that were once in Shuman’s possession, coming from the current toshao; there were also reports of bad relations with members of the village. Residents say that Shuman had ejected a peaceful group of Brazilian Christian worshippers after they began hosting services in the village, while he attempted to kick out a family of East Indian mix out of the village.

Others are still awaiting the final word on an investigation launched into Shuman and his alleged molestation of a minor in the community. Meanwhile, other complaints against him still remain unanswered. These include those from persons such as Priest-in-Charge of the St. Cuthbert’s Mission Anglican Church, Bernard Amsterdam and his restriction of service to the village. Recounting a letter of complaint he wrote to the Indigenous Peoples’ Affairs Minister, Sydney Allicock, which didn’t sit well with Shuman and angered him while they were at the village’s Nomination Day, Priest Amsterdam stated: “He then told me in a harsh, uncouth and in a loud tone, ‘GET OUT OF THIS MEETING, LEAVE THE VILLAGE,’ you’re not a member of this community.”

LINK ORIGINAL: Guyana Chronicle

Entornointeligente.com

FM
ksazma posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

So it is only an issue now because the PNC lost a NC motion.

Just a HUGE if ... IF ...

-- the votes on December 21, 2018 were ...

-- 33 for the PNCR/APNU/AFC; and

-- 32 for the PPPC

most likely, there would have been tremendous laughter and happiness that the result was in favour of the PNCR/APNU/AFC.

Just like how they were yucking it up before the vote.

it was a PPPC motion you klowns! . . . look it up and have someone smart explain what that means

under ANY (counting) circumstance, a 33APNU/AFC to 32PPPC result would mean the PPPC motion is not carried

what a bunch of DUNCE prancing idiots posting here

smfh

FM
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ksazma posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

So it is only an issue now because the PNC lost a NC motion.

Just a HUGE if ... IF ...

-- the votes on December 21, 2018 were ...

-- 33 for the PNCR/APNU/AFC; and

-- 32 for the PPPC

most likely, there would have been tremendous laughter and happiness that the result was in favour of the PNCR/APNU/AFC.

Just like how they were yucking it up before the vote.

They probably would have been still laughing, partying and yelling all over the place ..... We Win, We Win .... We Win. 

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

So it is only an issue now because the PNC lost a NC motion.

Just a HUGE if ... IF ...

-- the votes on December 21, 2018 were ...

-- 33 for the PNCR/APNU/AFC; and

-- 32 for the PPPC

most likely, there would have been tremendous laughter and happiness that the result was in favour of the PNCR/APNU/AFC.

Just like how they were yucking it up before the vote.

They probably would have been still laughing, partying and yelling all over the place ..... We Win, We Win .... We Win.  

it was a PPPC motion you klowns! . . . look it up and have someone smart explain what that means

under ANY (counting) circumstance, a 33APNU/AFC to 32PPPC result would mean the PPPC motion is not carried

what a bunch of DUNCE prancing idiots posting here

FM
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ronan posted:
VVP posted:
ronan posted:

NOBODY "elected" that fraud Charandaas to anything

people voted for the AFC, not Charandaas

that's why he was legally struck from the list and replaced

what's your point?

An oo is the AFC? Yuh mean day vote fah party nat peeple?  Why fariners Roopnaraine and Harman still deh?  Dis is we lan, le dem get dem backside back to de farin lands.  We gat aile money now.

FM

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