Mars posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched. Yes, his son's house was the object of an invasion with lots of shooting. 

He started out in smuggling then moved on to illegal drugs. Lately, he has been trying to establish other businesses to create a facade that he is legitimate.  I saw him at a wedding hugging Harmon.

For a man who always asks for evidence whenever someone makes a statement, you're here spreading rumors. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Unlike many statements you over the years which are rumours not facts, I did not state it as fact. I did mention that it is rumoured. What. You are defending Chinee's good name? If and when it is verified, that it will be stated as fact. Easy enough for you to understand. 

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched. Yes, his son's house was the object of an invasion with lots of shooting. 

He started out in smuggling then moved on to illegal drugs. Lately, he has been trying to establish other businesses to create a facade that he is legitimate.  I saw him at a wedding hugging Harmon.

For a man who always asks for evidence whenever someone makes a statement, you're here spreading rumors. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Unlike many statements you over the years which are rumours not facts, I did not state it as fact. I did mention that it is rumoured. What. You are defending Chinee's good name? If and when it is verified, that it will be stated as fact. Easy enough for you to understand. 

I am not defending the guy's name. I just find it ironic that the man who always demands evidence, even when someone is saying that the sky is blue, is the one who would be spreading rumors. 

Unlike you, I am up front. When it is a fact, I will source it, if it is rumoured, then I will state it as such. 

For a minute there, I thought you were being Chinese "talking head' . My apologies for thinking so.

Zed posted:

Unlike you, I am up front. When it is a fact, I will source it, if it is rumoured, then I will state it as such. 

For a minute there, I thought you were being Chinese "talking head' . My apologies for thinking so.

I can always back up anything I say on this forum. Even when I gave you evidence that Jagdeo did not have any black ambassadors, you still denied it. Luncheon confirmed this in court but yet you are still asking for "evidence". You can choose to call yourself independent and bury your head in the sand but you don't get to rewrite history.

Even if you state it or not, you're still rumor mongering.

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Unlike you, I am up front. When it is a fact, I will source it, if it is rumoured, then I will state it as such. 

For a minute there, I thought you were being Chinese "talking head' . My apologies for thinking so.

I can always back up anything I say on this forum. Even when I gave you evidence that Jagdeo did not have any black ambassadors, you still denied it. Luncheon confirmed this in court but yet you are still asking for "evidence". You can choose to call yourself independent and bury your head in the sand but you don't get to rewrite history.

Even if you state it or not, you're still rumor mongering.

Mars, please post where I denied that Jagdeo did not have any black ambassadors.

now Since this is your second attempt to defend him, I have to change my mind, I now think that you are really Chinee's talking head.

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Unlike you, I am up front. When it is a fact, I will source it, if it is rumoured, then I will state it as such. 

For a minute there, I thought you were being Chinese "talking head' . My apologies for thinking so.

I can always back up anything I say on this forum. Even when I gave you evidence that Jagdeo did not have any black ambassadors, you still denied it. Luncheon confirmed this in court but yet you are still asking for "evidence". You can choose to call yourself independent and bury your head in the sand but you don't get to rewrite history.

Even if you state it or not, you're still rumor mongering.

Mars, please post where I denied that Jagdeo did not have any black ambassadors.

now Since this is your second attempt to defend him, I have to change my mind, I now think that you are really Chinee's talking head.

Having a change of mind can be a good thing. It's good that you can always recognize your mistakes and have a change of heart even if it a few weeks later.

Are you getting senile in your old age? Where did I ever defend Chinee? I don't know the man personally and I don't know anything about his business dealings. 

Still awaiting your post on me denying that there were no black ambassadors.

Also, maybe, you are trying to defend Harmon in a round about way.

Zed posted:

Still awaiting your post on me denying that there were no black ambassadors.

Also, maybe, you are trying to defend Harmon in a round about way.

Banna, that was weeks ago and you know what you said. Suit yourself if you choose to deny it now.

Oh Lord, first I'm defending Chinee, now I'm defending Harmon. Do you guys read what you write before you hit the post button?

Another money losing venture, just like the Marriotte.

Ramakant-P posted:

Another money losing venture, just like the Marriotte.

Nah, Corentyne is going to be Capital City for Indoes of Suriname, Trindad and Guyana. That hotel will be booked solid. Indians are going visit in droves, simply by crossing with the ferry  accross the Corentyne River. 

seignet posted:

Ramakant-P posted:

Another money losing venture, just like the Marriotte.

Nah, Corentyne is going to be Capital City for Indoes of Suriname, Trindad and Guyana. That hotel will be booked solid. Indians are going visit in droves, simply by crossing with the ferry  accross the Corentyne River. 

Siggy, There is not much business for hotels in Corriverton. There is one called Rivertown Suites, another one called Citywide. Citywide is owned by a relative who also owns a taxi service and is the mayor of Corriverton. Relatives visit relatives and they have a place to stay...hotels are out of the picture. Hope Chiney and his son do better.

seignet posted:

Ramakant-P posted:

Another money losing venture, just like the Marriotte.

Nah, Corentyne is going to be Capital City for Indoes of Suriname, Trindad and Guyana. That hotel will be booked solid. Indians are going visit in droves, simply by crossing with the ferry  accross the Corentyne River. 

My boy Siggy got it right. That is the future. No one can stop the future. The aim is to be free.

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Still awaiting your post on me denying that there were no black ambassadors.

Also, maybe, you are trying to defend Harmon in a round about way.

Banna, that was weeks ago and you know what you said. Suit yourself if you choose to deny it now.

Oh Lord, first I'm defending Chinee, now I'm defending Harmon. Do you guys read what you write before you hit the post button?

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Still awaiting your post on me denying that there were no black ambassadors.

Also, maybe, you are trying to defend Harmon in a round about way.

Banna, that was weeks ago and you know what you said. Suit yourself if you choose to deny it now.

Oh Lord, first I'm defending Chinee, now I'm defending Harmon. Do you guys read what you write before you hit the post button?

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

I have no problems understanding what I read and write. Can you back up any accusations you made about me defending Chinee and Harmon? Given that you're the retiree/senior citizen and you admit to having a "senior moment" at times, I'd say the chances are much greater that you are the one having a "senior moment" now. You should try to take your meds every day.

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Still awaiting your post on me denying that there were no black ambassadors.

Also, maybe, you are trying to defend Harmon in a round about way.

Banna, that was weeks ago and you know what you said. Suit yourself if you choose to deny it now.

Oh Lord, first I'm defending Chinee, now I'm defending Harmon. Do you guys read what you write before you hit the post button?

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

I have no problems understanding what I read and write. Can you back up any accusations you made about me defending Chinee and Harmon? Given that you're the retiree/senior citizen and you admit to having a "senior moment" at times, I'd say the chances are much greater that you are the one having a "senior moment" now. You should try to take your meds every day.

Heck, forgot to take my mess today. Just think how much better I will be with my meds since I am able to play you like a puppet and wrap you around my fingers without my meds.

you still trying to find my post? Ask Django, he might be able to help if it exists like you said.

Drugb posted:

DG does this qualify as a PNC new development or was it concieved in PPP time?

 

Hoyte created an environment which allowed the growth of the private sector under Jagan. 

If Jagan followed Burnham directly he would have continued the same socialist nonsense, and in fact would have fashioned Guyana into a carbon copy of Castro's Cuba. This given his open Marxist Leninist orientation. And with this not one private investor would have gone to Guyana.  This didn't happen because Hoyte ended the socialist nonsense and Jagan couldn't bring it back.

You don't give any credit for this to Hoyte, so sorry the PPP doesn't get any credit for this, even if the concept was developed when they were in government. Based on the size of this property construction began under the APNU/AFC government, so there was more than enough time for this man to cancel the project if he wanted to.

Drugb posted:

cain posted:

Congrats to Mr Sugrim. Hope he gets the turbine up and running asap if it is all up to standard.

Are you a jackass or can't you read. One year now the man got his turbine up and the jackass PNC can't approve it. 

And yet you know full well that in Guyana nothing gets done without a bribe and this was very true under the PPP. Loads of projects held up then.  In fact the PPP used to steal the plans from people who were seeking approvals, and had it over to their friends, who then received approval.

You would look less silly if you spent less time trying to pretend that the PPP was any better.  And when the PPP was in power you excused their corruption, so don't suddenly pretend as if this is so critically important to you.

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Drugb posted:

 

Now you ketch sense after waking up from your lsd binge. The only development under the PNC if from questionable characters. 

Yes the SAME characters who did the SAME thing under the PPP.

No wonder when commodity prices drop Guyana's economy suffers.

Zed posted:

 

Heck, forgot to take my mess today.

I'm not interested if you forgot to go to the toilet today. In your senile state, remembering that every day must be an achievement for you. Ask D_G for some advice in coping with such hardships as he has extensive experience with this type of "senior moment". 

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Zed is going to ask you for evidence that Jagdeo ever took a bribe.

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

 

Heck, forgot to take my mess today.

I'm not interested if you forgot to go to the toilet today. In your senile state, remembering that every day must be an achievement for you. Ask D_G for some advice in coping with such hardships as he has extensive experience with this type of "senior moment". 

 

 

Is that all you got? 

Still awaiting your post, or are you experiencing a premature, extended senior's moment or onset dementia. 

I thought you posted that you can back up everything you post. Well, do so.

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

 

Heck, forgot to take my mess today.

I'm not interested if you forgot to go to the toilet today. In your senile state, remembering that every day must be an achievement for you. Ask D_G for some advice in coping with such hardships as he has extensive experience with this type of "senior moment". 

 

 

Is that all you got? 

Still awaiting your post, or are you experiencing a premature, extended senior's moment or onset dementia. 

I thought you posted that you can back up everything you post. Well, do so.

Don't have time to waste with a doddering old fool who's living in denial. Hold on I'll go looking through the forum for your posts right after you back up your claims that I was defending Chinee and Harmon.

Mars posted:

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Zed is going to ask you for evidence that Jagdeo ever took a bribe.

I have never gIvan him a bribe, he has never asked me for a bribe, I have never met him or spoken to him. he has not yet been convicted in a court of law for taking bribes. As far as I know no one has come forward to allege that they paid him a bribe or that he asked him/her for a bribe. 

It has been rumoured that he is corrupt, that he has taken bribes, that he lives and has wealth beyond what he has legally earned. Some of this is from people I have great trust in. Lately, thanks to Cain and Django,  I have read something that seems to repeats some aspects of the rumor that he is and was corrupt.  

But then again, MArs does not want to hear rumours. It seems like he has read my post on wanting fact based arguments. He objected to me saying that something was rumoured instead of being like so many here who make statements when there is no factual basis to support them or even mentioning as I did that something was or is rumoured.

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Zed is going to ask you for evidence that Jagdeo ever took a bribe.

I have never gIvan him a bribe, he has never asked me for a bribe, I have never met him or spoken to him. he has not yet been convicted in a court of law for taking bribes. As far as I know no one has come forward to allege that they paid him a bribe or that he asked him/her for a bribe. 

It has been rumoured that he is corrupt, that he has taken bribes, that he lives and has wealth beyond what he has legally earned. Some of this is from people I have great trust in. Lately, thanks to Cain and Django,  I have read something that seems to repeats some aspects of the rumor that he is and was corrupt.  

But then again, MArs does not want to hear rumours. It seems like he has read my post on wanting fact based arguments. He objected to me saying that something was rumoured instead of being like so many here who make statements when there is no factual basis to support them or even mentioning as I did that something was or is rumoured.

Wrong once again. I didn't object to you saying that something was rumored. I just found it funny that the man who always asks for evidence was now spreading rumors. Irony at its best.

Demerara_Guy posted:

$1B wind-powered hotel opens doors in Corriverton

Apr 10, 2017 News, http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....oors-in-corriverton/

Hay DG...Can anyone say drug money? Seeds of the trade!

Ramakant-P posted:

Another money losing venture, just like the Marriotte.

Dude, all of that is cleanly washed loot. No Eliot Ness to ask for an accounting in our corrupt land.

"Seeds" of the trade tarassss. hehehehe

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Zed is going to ask you for evidence that Jagdeo ever took a bribe.

I have never gIvan him a bribe, he has never asked me for a bribe, I have never met him or spoken to him. he has not yet been convicted in a court of law for taking bribes. As far as I know no one has come forward to allege that they paid him a bribe or that he asked him/her for a bribe. 

It has been rumoured that he is corrupt, that he has taken bribes, that he lives and has wealth beyond what he has legally earned. Some of this is from people I have great trust in. Lately, thanks to Cain and Django,  I have read something that seems to repeats some aspects of the rumor that he is and was corrupt.  

But then again, MArs does not want to hear rumours. It seems like he has read my post on wanting fact based arguments. He objected to me saying that something was rumoured instead of being like so many here who make statements when there is no factual basis to support them or even mentioning as I did that something was or is rumoured.

Wrong once again. I didn't object to you saying that something was rumored. I just found it funny that the man who always asks for evidence was now spreading rumors. Irony at its best.

I was upfront and labelled the statement instead of all that is passed here as facts with no factual basis and not labelled as rumours.

still waiting for you to post the info. I see that you are trying to squirm off the hook. Maybe, I should be kind and let you off the hook. Got a life to live.

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

Zed posted:

Mars posted:

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

It is rumoured that he had close ties to the ppp and has now switched.

He supports whoever takes his bribes.  The interesting thing is that Harmon gets bribes from the same folks who enriched Jagdeo.

His party base are very upset with him and don't plan to vote in 2020. The same runnings that happened under the PPP continue. .

Zed is going to ask you for evidence that Jagdeo ever took a bribe.

I have never gIvan him a bribe, he has never asked me for a bribe, I have never met him or spoken to him. he has not yet been convicted in a court of law for taking bribes. As far as I know no one has come forward to allege that they paid him a bribe or that he asked him/her for a bribe. 

It has been rumoured that he is corrupt, that he has taken bribes, that he lives and has wealth beyond what he has legally earned. Some of this is from people I have great trust in. Lately, thanks to Cain and Django,  I have read something that seems to repeats some aspects of the rumor that he is and was corrupt.  

But then again, MArs does not want to hear rumours. It seems like he has read my post on wanting fact based arguments. He objected to me saying that something was rumoured instead of being like so many here who make statements when there is no factual basis to support them or even mentioning as I did that something was or is rumoured.

Wrong once again. I didn't object to you saying that something was rumored. I just found it funny that the man who always asks for evidence was now spreading rumors. Irony at its best.

I was upfront and labelled the statement instead of all that is passed here as facts with no factual basis and not labelled as rumours.

still waiting for you to post the info. I see that you are trying to squirm off the hook. Maybe, I should be kind and let you off the hook. Got a life to live.

I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that I defended Chinee and Harmon. We all have lives to live, that is until we all die.

We hope that we live in in the futures we create or change, the lives we impact on.

Have a good day.

Zed posted:

We hope that we live in in the futures we create or change, the lives we impact on.

Have a good day.

You have a good day too.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

These reporters should stop insulting us with the use of word billions.  They are always attempting to make things look rosier than what they are.  Simply state it cost about 4.5 million US dollars instead of a billion. Investors are not impressed with such show off. It's fakish and repulsive. 

The reporters are writing articles in Guyana and are rightfully using the Guyana Dollar. There is nothing fake about that. Do reporters for US newspapers use Guyana Dollars because someone in Guyana happens to read their newspapers? Think before you write crap.

Zed posted:

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

My problem with your form of denialism is not that it doubts for clarification but for doubt sake. Science is about universal doubt but we have induction to salvage the day. If one sees what constitute a pattern one generalizes and that is call induction...science. When one sees the reality that a group of people, all belonging to one party, receiving allotments of prime real state at preferential price points and one coincidentally knows that land came about by the removal of a transmitter that occupied the space and at the states expense and additionally, this said parcel of land receives intensive attention in preparation for necessary utilities services one can generalize and conclude on the obvious  planning to co opt the states assets preferentially.

If there is a refusal to allocate the nations bandwidth and days before th e election 10 is allocated to friends and family one concludes corruption.

When one passes off a 35 million dollar project to a greenhorn at project management and that individual fails as predicted one sees nepotism.

When no druglord ever was apprehended and the US on the other end captures dozens one concludes protection or reluctance to address the problem on our side....

I can go through hundreds of similar clearly inductive processes from the Berbice river bridge,Geeta knight singh on every board despite a history of all failing, Ashni with his wife auditing his department, Priya hiring mom ans sister, the revenue authority administrated over by a party patriarch and his five family members,  NICIL acting as an investment arm and all its assets ending up in friends and family of the party and its reluctance to offer any financial reporting, rice farmers suffering delay payments when the Petrocarbide deal was a give away and where those transporting and handling its sale become millionaires....25 hectares of crab island are give away to the Beharry group whose interests include oil leases, the Berbice river bridge, Pharmaceuticals and more etc one can indeed infer a practice that constitutes a strategy to be deliberately corrupt.

These and a thousand more clearly soup spigots opened by Jagdeo and his monkey and yet you have the audacity to say there is no evidence. The reality here is not about a lack of facts but willful ignorance.

Chiney....mool persaud and others were not incubated, hatched, fledged and flew as full and on the wing drug lords in isolation.

D2 posted:

Zed posted:

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

My problem with your form of denialism is not that it doubts for clarification but for doubt sake. Science is about universal doubt but we have induction to salvage the day. If one sees what constitute a pattern one generalizes and that is call induction...science. When one sees the reality that a group of people, all belonging to one party, receiving allotments of prime real state at preferential price points and one coincidentally knows that land came about by the removal of a transmitter that occupied the space and at the states expense and additionally, this said parcel of land receives intensive attention in preparation for necessary utilities services one can generalize and conclude on the obvious  planning to co opt the states assets preferentially.

If there is a refusal to allocate the nations bandwidth and days before th e election 10 is allocated to friends and family one concludes corruption.

When one passes off a 35 million dollar project to a greenhorn at project management and that individual fails as predicted one sees nepotism.

When no druglord ever was apprehended and the US on the other end captures dozens one concludes protection or reluctance to address the problem on our side....

I can go through hundreds of similar clearly inductive processes from the Berbice river bridge,Geeta knight singh on every board despite a history of all failing, Ashni with his wife auditing his department, Priya hiring mom ans sister, the revenue authority administrated over by a party patriarch and his five family members,  NICIL acting as an investment arm and all its assets ending up in friends and family of the party and its reluctance to offer any financial reporting, rice farmers suffering delay payments when the Petrocarbide deal was a give away and where those transporting and handling its sale become millionaires....25 hectares of crab island are give away to the Beharry group whose interests include oil leases, the Berbice river bridge, Pharmaceuticals and more etc one can indeed infer a practice that constitutes a strategy to be deliberately corrupt.

These and a thousand more clearly soup spigots opened by Jagdeo and his monkey and yet you have the audacity to say there is no evidence. The reality here is not about a lack of facts but willful ignorance.

Chiney....mool persaud and others were not incubated, hatched, fledged and flew as full and on the wing drug lords in isolation.

Allegations! What happened to the audits and COIs?

D2 posted:

Zed posted:

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

My problem with your form of denialism is not that it doubts for clarification but for doubt sake. Science is about universal doubt but we have induction to salvage the day. If one sees what constitute a pattern one generalizes and that is call induction...science. When one sees the reality that a group of people, all belonging to one party, receiving allotments of prime real state at preferential price points and one coincidentally knows that land came about by the removal of a transmitter that occupied the space and at the states expense and additionally, this said parcel of land receives intensive attention in preparation for necessary utilities services one can generalize and conclude on the obvious  planning to co opt the states assets preferentially.

If there is a refusal to allocate the nations bandwidth and days before th e election 10 is allocated to friends and family one concludes corruption.

When one passes off a 35 million dollar project to a greenhorn at project management and that individual fails as predicted one sees nepotism.

When no druglord ever was apprehended and the US on the other end captures dozens one concludes protection or reluctance to address the problem on our side....

I can go through hundreds of similar clearly inductive processes from the Berbice river bridge,Geeta knight singh on every board despite a history of all failing, Ashni with his wife auditing his department, Priya hiring mom ans sister, the revenue authority administrated over by a party patriarch and his five family members,  NICIL acting as an investment arm and all its assets ending up in friends and family of the party and its reluctance to offer any financial reporting, rice farmers suffering delay payments when the Petrocarbide deal was a give away and where those transporting and handling its sale become millionaires....25 hectares of crab island are give away to the Beharry group whose interests include oil leases, the Berbice river bridge, Pharmaceuticals and more etc one can indeed infer a practice that constitutes a strategy to be deliberately corrupt.

These and a thousand more clearly soup spigots opened by Jagdeo and his monkey and yet you have the audacity to say there is no evidence. The reality here is not about a lack of facts but willful ignorance.

Chiney....mool persaud and others were not incubated, hatched, fledged and flew as full and on the wing drug lords in isolation.

I told you before that you take your social science methodology and generalizations to court and they will laugh you out of it.  My point has been and continues to be - let us be engaged in fact based discussions, instead of what we have been having so far. It is not about supporting Jagdeo, the PPP or defending tgem or their actions.  And I mean verifiable facts, not the brer nancy stories and innuendoes and questionable statements.ö we read here at times.

all these accusations are thrown around and I, like many, hoped that the coalition would have had these things and people before the courts before now. It has been nearly two years since their election and now we are getting evidence of them doing the same thing that they were accusing Jagdeo of doing. Maybe, they havel their own objectives of which we are unaware.

Keep in mind that chiinee, Leslie, plantain man and the other guys from Crabwood Creek were hatched in the PNC era, had thriving and lucrative businesses prior to 1992. So were many of the current ones. Corruption was not spawn primarily in the Jagdeo years. It was spawned during the Burnham years when people did so many things to survive. You might be correct if you hold that it intensified under Jagdeo.

You seem to know these guys and know about the running, something I am not privileged to. I know that Manikchan was not minister of education when her mother was hired by the ministry, i regularly speak to the rice farmers who complain that they are facing economic ruin because of the termination of the Venezuela deal.  Were all of those who received band or land at PRadoville cronies of Jagdeo. If there were not, then how do we explain that - maybe as cover for the give away? 

Guyana is not the only country where there is a close connection between the business elite and politicians or that give handouts to business. . Look around you, even in Canada. They receive handouts from the political elites. Often, much to the detriment of the working people. 

You want to be fact based, then name the names instead of the vague generalizations. Let us take each one and then we can examine it and I can be enlightened if it leads to that. This is not about wilful ignorance, it is about having sensible discussions, not rant and rave, but reasoned arguments, not being a "rum shop" politician, but an informed individual able to have info to guide action.

Zed posted:

D2 posted:

Zed posted:

I understand what I write,. The crucial question is whether you do understand what you read.

The fact is that you cannot back up what you said I posted. Having a "Senior Moment? We all do at times.

My problem with your form of denialism is not that it doubts for clarification but for doubt sake. Science is about universal doubt but we have induction to salvage the day. If one sees what constitute a pattern one generalizes and that is call induction...science. When one sees the reality that a group of people, all belonging to one party, receiving allotments of prime real state at preferential price points and one coincidentally knows that land came about by the removal of a transmitter that occupied the space and at the states expense and additionally, this said parcel of land receives intensive attention in preparation for necessary utilities services one can generalize and conclude on the obvious  planning to co opt the states assets preferentially.

If there is a refusal to allocate the nations bandwidth and days before th e election 10 is allocated to friends and family one concludes corruption.

When one passes off a 35 million dollar project to a greenhorn at project management and that individual fails as predicted one sees nepotism.

When no druglord ever was apprehended and the US on the other end captures dozens one concludes protection or reluctance to address the problem on our side....

I can go through hundreds of similar clearly inductive processes from the Berbice river bridge,Geeta knight singh on every board despite a history of all failing, Ashni with his wife auditing his department, Priya hiring mom ans sister, the revenue authority administrated over by a party patriarch and his five family members,  NICIL acting as an investment arm and all its assets ending up in friends and family of the party and its reluctance to offer any financial reporting, rice farmers suffering delay payments when the Petrocarbide deal was a give away and where those transporting and handling its sale become millionaires....25 hectares of crab island are give away to the Beharry group whose interests include oil leases, the Berbice river bridge, Pharmaceuticals and more etc one can indeed infer a practice that constitutes a strategy to be deliberately corrupt.

These and a thousand more clearly soup spigots opened by Jagdeo and his monkey and yet you have the audacity to say there is no evidence. The reality here is not about a lack of facts but willful ignorance.

Chiney....mool persaud and others were not incubated, hatched, fledged and flew as full and on the wing drug lords in isolation.

I told you before that you take your social science methodology and generalizations to court and they will laugh you out of it.  My point has been and continues to be - let us be engaged in fact based discussions, instead of what we have been having so far. It is not about supporting Jagdeo, the PPP or defending tgem or their actions.  And I mean verifiable facts, not the brer nancy stories and innuendoes and questionable statements.ö we read here at times.

all these accusations are thrown around and I, like many, hoped that the coalition would have had these things and people before the courts before now. It has been nearly two years since their election and now we are getting evidence of them doing the same thing that they were accusing Jagdeo of doing. Maybe, they havel their own objectives of which we are unaware.

Keep in mind that chiinee, Leslie, plantain man and the other guys from Crabwood Creek were hatched in the PNC era, had thriving and lucrative businesses prior to 1992. So were many of the current ones. Corruption was not spawn primarily in the Jagdeo years. It was spawned during the Burnham years when people did so many things to survive. You might be correct if you hold that it intensified under Jagdeo.

You seem to know these guys and know about the running, something I am not privileged to. I know that Manikchan was not minister of education when her mother was hired by the ministry, i regularly speak to the rice farmers who complain that they are facing economic ruin because of the termination of the Venezuela deal.  Were all of those who received band or land at PRadoville cronies of Jagdeo. If there were not, then how do we explain that - maybe as cover for the give away? 

Guyana is not the only country where there is a close connection between the business elite and politicians or that give handouts to business. . Look around you, even in Canada. They receive handouts from the political elites. Often, much to the detriment of the working people. 

You want to be fact based, then name the names instead of the vague generalizations. Let us take each one and then we can examine it and I can be enlightened if it leads to that. This is not about wilful ignorance, it is about having sensible discussions, not rant and rave, but reasoned arguments, not being a "rum shop" politician, but an informed individual able to have info to guide action.

The point is I do not need the court to tell me a crook is a crook here. I see them in my own family and I hear others speak of them as a precautionary principle daily and no court records is dangled before me.

And induction and probability is not the domain of social science alone but the ground of hard science. None of us have seen a quark but we know from the shatter patterns at hadron collision what is probabilistically in the data.

The insistence of a court finding is spurious. Burnham is considered the worse of crooks and so are his henchmen Green et al. Even Granger who was down stream is caught up in the "crooked" nomenclature and no one was ever convicted there. You cannot have it both ways.

Sensible discussion is a foregone conclusion. I do not care for Granger and his gang but I would support them financially and otherwise as long as Jagdeo, Ashni, Ramotar, Rohee, Porcine Ifraan, Plumpy Mania et al are the alternative. Let these crooks stew in the dog house. Further, I do wish the APNU can put a few of them in jail for good measure.

By the way, the petrocarbide deal termination was in the work before the election. Notice was given. There is no chance of rehabilitating that even if the government changes in Venezuela. The fact remains the PPP raided the coffers there as well

You are an academic so. Will you believe everything that you read in a newspaper, every piece of second hand news or gossip or anything you hear from me. You do not know me. I do not know anyone if the people who post here. Why should I believe what they post as fact without it being sourced? Though a long time ago someone told me that they post on this site as D2.

one of the things I have learnt in the sever years here is that trust no one, believe no one, always be careful. That is what I am all about.

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You are an academic so. Will you believe everything that you read in a newspaper, every piece of second hand news or gossip or anything you hear from me. You do not know me. I do not know anyone if the people who post here. Why should I believe what they post as fact without it being sourced? Though a long time ago someone told me that they post on this site as D2.

one of the things I have learnt in the sever years here is that trust no one, believe no one, always be careful. That is what I am all about.

Good advice...not to trust...However, we are not asking for trust but rationality in judgement. The PPP has not been good for us these past 23 years. Cheddie inherited a transitioning democracy. He did nothing to facilitate the transition but saw to it the fraudulent Burnham's constitution were pruned of parts offending to donor states and kept intact the onerous whole intact so we have ethnic based dictatorships and the farce of elections. Worse, he never even changed the PPP internal Leninist democratic centralism organization where a few decides. Instead we have a bunch of dunces decides who sit in office. These breed corruption. No young ambitious, patriotic and conscientious good human being gets a chance to make his or her mark with these old crows at the helm.

Who selected Jagdeo? The reality is JJ did the switch and passed him on as "leader" and that infernal stench of crookedness was launched on the scene. I would never support him or a party in which he has overwhelming influence. I do hope the APNU and all they portend squats on the office for another decade. Somewhere, lessons need to be learned.

HAHAHAHAHAHA  After 28 years of pure HELL, you still need lessons. The depth of the stupidity and naivety in your statement is astonishing. But in a Democracy all opinions are allowed!!!