Simple logic means to look at the glass half empty or half full. Optisim is to see the glass half full and hope things will be better as progress continues. 232 additional employments and another 100 next year means people are being put to work with the promise of more employment. Employment is good for the country and the economy at best. One took away food form 10,000 families and another replacing food for those families. That's the simple logic between talkers and doers. GNI should break away from race based politics and put your country first. No sour puss comments.

They just have to figure out ways of making the sugar industry profitable.

Since sugar estates re-opened,932 re-employed ,6,000 workers still waiting in the line for the past three years [ It was claimed 7,000 workers was laid off ] GUYSUCO struggling to meet the target for the second crop with three estates. Don't forget the recent bail out of G$5 billion.

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

They just have to figure out ways of making the sugar industry profitable.

Can you help them ?

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

They just have to figure out ways of making the sugar industry profitable.

heheheheheheheeeeeee. Stupid man. Times change, industries change, competition emerges. The nature of business. Guyana's sugar industry is NO LONGER VIABLE. This is not a black or Indian thing. It is a fact, borne out in the prices of sugar on the world markets. It simply costs Guyana too much to produce a pound of sugar and will NEVER be profitable to Guyana.

What "ways of making the sugar industry profitable" do you propose? They cannot reduce the costs. Ole man Seignet de Nigerial lova man wrote extensively on the reasons why. Others have too.

Guyana needs to diversify into the 21st century economy. They cannot. They too "chupid". And corrupt.

The PPP lied to the sugar workers and the nation about reopening the shuttered estates.  They promised a reopening the first day in office and pledged to rehire the retrenched workers immediately.  Unrealistic as it was the sugar workers believed them and now they have to face reality.

@Django posted:

Since sugar estates re-opened,932 re-employed ,6,000 workers still waiting in the line for the past three years [ It was claimed 7,000 workers was laid off ] GUYSUCO struggling to meet the target for the second crop with three estates. Don't forget the recent bail out of G$5 billion.

Is the current admin responsible for the past three years? Let's stick with the current situation. Struggling is part of trying.

@Viper posted:

Is the current admin responsible for the past three years? Let's stick with the current situation. Struggling is part of trying.

One would assume by re-opening the closed estates , the workers would be re-employed.

GUYANA SWEET LAKA SUMUTOO AGAIN!!!!!!!! PNC STINK UP GUYANA FOR 33 YEARS!!1

@Totaram posted:

The PPP lied to the sugar workers and the nation about reopening the shuttered estates.  They promised a reopening the first day in office and pledged to rehire the retrenched workers immediately.  Unrealistic as it was the sugar workers believed them and now they have to face reality.

What lies are you peddling , Don't you see people are being  hired in stages, I assume you know nothing about the functions of a Sugar Factory?

Dig yourself out of the snow and read the tea leaves, Guyana is on the move, progress like you never see.

@Django posted:

Since sugar estates re-opened,932 re-employed ,6,000 workers still waiting in the line for the past three years [ It was claimed 7,000 workers was laid off ] GUYSUCO struggling to meet the target for the second crop with three estates. Don't forget the recent bail out of G$5 billion.

The reopening is done in stages, first they have to prepare the fields plant and then harvest the cane, then , and only then the turbine will be rolling. So far a skeleton management staff and field workers. They are awaiting parts to complete the machinery then to start the factory.

So hold ayuh horses, things are being done, if the factories were not destroyed by the previous administration ,thing would have started much faster.

Take off the Dark lenses and look on the brighter side for all Guyanese.

@kp posted:

The reopening is done in stages, first they have to prepare the fields plant and then harvest the cane, then , and only then the turbine will be rolling. So far a skeleton management staff and field workers. They are awaiting parts to complete the machinery then to start the factory.

So hold ayuh horses, things are being done,

if the factories were not destroyed by the previous administration ,

thing would have started much faster.

Take off the Dark lenses and look on the brighter side for all Guyanese.

Hogwash no factories was destroyed, what is known a dead horse is being beaten.

US$200M white elephant Skeldon factory ,never functioned properly ,wasted money. By the way which laid off workers will be waiting for the stages to be completed for employment ? There are low turn out of workers at Uitvlugt and perhaps other estates.

The new Massa want to keep the poor as slaves ,mostly Indo-Guyanese instead of encouraging to get educated and creating other employment for them.

Who getting the 20,000 Online Scholarship ? or is it pie in the sky ?

Try educating a 50 year old cane cutter. I worked in the industry I know the process. Some will talk for talk sake know the facts.

@kp posted:

Try educating a 50 year old cane cutter. I worked in the industry I know the process. Some will talk for talk sake know the facts.

At 50 yrs old, sugar estate workers are end of the line for retirement. Same here worked in the Industry for about 4yrs from the entry level field gang to cutting canes.

@kp posted:

The reopening is done in stages, first they have to prepare the fields plant and then harvest the cane, then , and only then the turbine will be rolling. So far a skeleton management staff and field workers. They are awaiting parts to complete the machinery then to start the factory.

And after all this, if yuh tek de gross sales minus de cost fuh produce de sugah, it gon be wan positive number...hmmmm? Wan simple answer...yes or no?

The factories are being repaired. That will take time. It makes no sense hiring workers when the factory isn't ready.

@Former Member posted:

And after all this, if yuh tek de gross sales minus de cost fuh produce de sugah, it gon be wan positive number...hmmmm? Wan simple answer...yes or no?

Sugarcane is cultivated in the USA , is it at a loss? At one time Guyana had about 100 sugar factories,  today only three functioning.  There are many bye products to be made from sugar production, use the baggas to fuel the factory,  the molasses for Rum, etc.

@Ramakant-P posted:

The factories are being repaired. That will take time. It makes no sense hiring workers when the factory isn't ready.

Did you tell that to the dumb duo of Jagdeo and Ali when they were making promises on the campaign trail? 

@Totaram posted:

Did you tell that to the dumb duo of Jagdeo and Ali when they were making promises on the campaign trail?

It's all politics, something you would never understand.

@Ramakant-P posted:

The factories are being repaired. That will take time. It makes no sense hiring workers when the factory isn't ready.

Hopefully the workers are there ,the three opened estates are struggling for workers.

@kp posted:

Sugarcane is cultivated in the USA , is it at a loss?

At one time Guyana had about 100 sugar factories,  today only three functioning.

  There are many bye products to be made from sugar production, use the baggas to fuel the factory,  the molasses for Rum, etc.

Find out how it's done in the USA . With a little research you will find out why only three remaining.

@Ramakant-P posted:

It's all politics, something you would never understand.

If politics is about lying to vulnerable people then you are right-- it is something I would never understand. 

@kp posted:

Sugarcane is cultivated in the USA , is it at a loss? At one time Guyana had about 100 sugar factories,  today only three functioning.  There are many bye products to be made from sugar production, use the baggas to fuel the factory,  the molasses for Rum, etc.

Your answer above should tell you a few things.

a. there is a reason for the decline in sugar factories in Guyana, and perhaps even worldwide. More producers of sugar than decades ago, driving prices down.

b. You mention the US. Did you know they are one of the world's largest producers, subsidizing their own farmers? How does Guyana compete with that? I thought you were a businessman. Guyana CANNOT win with sugar.

c. Yes, there are by products you name plus ethanol etc. In this "green" world environment, has ANY of the idiots running Guyana presently or in the past ever given thought to focus on those by products? NO.

Y'all want to pretend this is like 100 hundred years ago, bury your heads in the sand instead of focusing on the changing world and how we can adapt. Guyanese people, black man, red man, chinee man, indian man, know everything. You can't tell them anything.

The sugar industry as it is now is dead! And the will and/or know how to change it is not there!

@Django posted:

Hopefully the workers are there ,the three opened estates are struggling for workers.

The workers left to grow rice, because they did not trust the lies what Mustapha told them.  They also  had mortgages and kids in school, but no help from the PPP. 

Your statement in  b. Answers the question. Isn't it better to have 7,000 people gainfully employed than they become criminals.  Governments creates jobs not necessarily to make profits.  Look at the trillion dollar hand out the US  is giving its needy citizens  , nothing to do with profit and loss, people prefer a job than hand outs.

@kp posted:

Your statement in  b. Answers the question. Isn't it better to have 7,000 people gainfully employed than they become criminals.  Governments creates jobs not necessarily to make profits.  Look at the trillion dollar hand out the US  is giving its needy citizens  , nothing to do with profit and loss, people prefer a job than hand outs.

Of course it's better to have a job, but do they have to be employed in a DYING sugar industry, in a country that CANNOT afford never ending subsidies???????

I posit it doesn't have to be so, but Guyanese politicians from ANY party lack the vision to come up with alternatives or even explore for one, such as other crops etc.

Look, you said it takes time to get the estates going. Spend that same time and a bit more to come up with a better LONG TERM option for these poor people to make a living, while at the same time diversifying Guyana's economy.

The dunces in Guyana cannot do that. They are too busy with corruption and everything about themselves instead of helping the people.

@Former Member posted:

Of course it's better to have a job, but do they have to be employed in a DYING sugar industry, in a country that CANNOT afford never ending subsidies???????

I posit it doesn't have to be so, but Guyanese politicians from ANY party lack the vision to come up with alternatives or even explore for one, such as other crops etc.

Look, you said it takes time to get the estates going. Spend that same time and a bit more to come up with a better LONG TERM option for these poor people to make a living, while at the same time diversifying Guyana's economy.

The dunces in Guyana cannot do that. They are too busy with corruption and everything about themselves instead of helping the people.

Some Estates had started cash crops, I know Wales and Uitvlugt did when I was there but it requires marketing  and labour intensive.

It is difficult to teach Old Dogs new tricks.

@Django posted:

Hopefully the workers are there ,the three opened estates are struggling for workers.

What do you expect? Do you think that they would stick around and starve. They moved on. A shortage of sugar workers is due to the fact that more people are being educated. Sugar workers are migrating by the thousands.  Thanks to the APNU/AFC coalition.

@Django posted:

Hopefully the workers are there ,the three opened estates are struggling for workers.

@Ramakant-P posted:

What do you expect? Do you think that they would stick around and starve.

They moved on. A shortage of sugar workers is due to the fact that more people are being educated. Sugar workers are migrating by the thousands.

Thanks to the APNU/AFC coalition.

Where will the workers come from when the re-opened estates are up and running ?

@Django posted:

Where will the workers come from when the re-opened estates are up and running ?

From the black community or they have to import from India where millions are out of jobs.

@Ramakant-P posted:

From the black community or they have to import from India where millions are out of jobs.

LOL

Demographically do you know where they reside ?

@Django posted:

LOL

Demographically do you know where they reside ?

That is not important.

@Ramakant-P posted:

That is not important.

Why not ?

Demographics is the study of a population-based on factors such as age, race, and sex. Demographic data refers to socio-economic information expressed statistically, also including employment, education, income, marriage rates, birth and death rates, and more factors.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Demographics is the study of a population-based on factors such as age, race, and sex. Demographic data refers to socio-economic information expressed statistically, also including employment, education, income, marriage rates, birth and death rates, and more factors.

Skirting the question of workers needed for the re-opened sugar estates.

@Django posted:

Skirting the question of workers needed for the re-opened sugar estates.

What is it you don't understand?  There are lots of black people who are unemployed. They can do the job.  Cane cutting is not for Indians only.

@Ramakant-P posted:

What is it you don't understand?

There are lots of black people who are unemployed.

They can do the job.  Cane cutting is not for Indians only.

The question was where do they reside ,who says they will fill the declining labor needed for the re-opened sugar estates.

@Django posted:

The question was where do they reside ,who says they will fill the short fall of labor needed for the re-opened sugar estates.

Be more specific.  Who are "they"? If you are talking about blacks, they are not far away in the villages. 

@Ramakant-P posted:

Be more specific.  Who are "they"? If you are talking about blacks, they are not far away in the villages.

Have a good day , simply beating around the bush. No wonder their are many failures under the PPP and will continue.