President David Granger and Chairman and Managing Director of Banks DIH Limited, Mr. Clifford Reis greet each other as First Lady, Mrs. Sandra Granger, Vice President and Minister of Public Security, Mr. Khemraj Ramjattan; Minister of Public Infrastructure, Mr. David Patterson look on. Minister of Telecommunications, Mrs. Catherine Hughes is pictured in the background, right

Another view of our Jubilee Independence anniversary arch

Members of the public clamour to greet President David Granger at the close of the unveiling exercise, today, at the junction of Eccles and Agricola, East Bank Demerara.

President David Granger and Chairman and Managing Director of Banks DIH Limited, Mr. Clifford Reis shake hands in front of the insignia inscribed at the base of the 50^th Independence Anniversary Arch, while First Lady, Mrs. Sandra Granger and the President’s sister, Mrs. Barbara Backer look on.

So what happens after the Jubilee.

Will the coalition gov't finally get down to the business of moving Guyana from its 1932 economy to one of the 21st century?

What is Granger intended to do with the hundred of unemployed sugar workers that are currently on the bread line? Are they going to eat the arch after independence?

Granger and his associates will then concentrate on their how to win the 2020 election -- the only project on their agenda for the next four years.

caribny posted:

So what happens after the Jubilee.

Will the coalition gov't finally get down to the business of moving Guyana from its 1932 economy to one of the 21st century?

Guyanese must be prepared to eat shit after Granger jubilee.

Cobra posted:

What is Granger intended to do with the hundred of unemployed sugar workers that are currently on the bread line? Are they going to eat the arch after independence?

One is missing wonder what them bhais in the last gov't  did with it,you have any clues.

By the way Banks DIH donate that one.

Suh only sugar workers on the bread line,that is a hard job time for them to be innovative and venture in a more easy job.

Cobra posted:

What is Granger intended to do with the hundred of unemployed sugar workers that are currently on the bread line? Are they going to eat the arch after independence?

The same thing that Jagdeo did to the 3000 unemployed bauxite workers. Ignore them.

Cobra posted:

 

Guyanese must be prepared to eat shit after Granger jubilee.

That isn't a problem, as they have been doing so since Guyana was established, and don't know any better.

Didn't matter whether it was the colonists, the PPP, or the PNC, that is the life.  Like they say "Is Guyana, is so it go".

Demerara_Guy posted:

Granger and his associates will then concentrate on their how to win the 2020 election -- the only project on their agenda for the next four years.

I can assure them that harassing their base, and destroying their property, and cow towing to the oligarchs and the Chinese isn't going to achieve victory.

APNU "supporters" aren't like those of the PPP.  They showed up, thinking that the coalition was going to be different from the PPP.  They know now that it isn't, so will stay home. In fact they have already promised not to vote in 2020.

APNU AFC will have to work miracles to get the PNC base out in 2020, at the rate that they are going.

caribny posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Granger and his associates will then concentrate on their how to win the 2020 election -- the only project on their agenda for the next four years.

I can assure them that harassing their base, and destroying their property, and cow towing to the oligarchs and the Chinese isn't going to achieve victory.

APNU "supporters" aren't like those of the PPP.  They showed up, thinking that the coalition was going to be different from the PPP.  They know now that it isn't, so will stay home. In fact they have already promised not to vote in 2020.

APNU AFC will have to work miracles to get the PNC base out in 2020, at the rate that they are going.

The ABC countries is their only hope if they still find confidence in the coalition government in 2020. They didn't won in 2015, they were installed in power, FYI.

Cobra posted:

caribny posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Granger and his associates will then concentrate on their how to win the 2020 election -- the only project on their agenda for the next four years.

I can assure them that harassing their base, and destroying their property, and cow towing to the oligarchs and the Chinese isn't going to achieve victory.

APNU "supporters" aren't like those of the PPP.  They showed up, thinking that the coalition was going to be different from the PPP.  They know now that it isn't, so will stay home. In fact they have already promised not to vote in 2020.

APNU AFC will have to work miracles to get the PNC base out in 2020, at the rate that they are going.

The ABC countries is their only hope if they still find confidence in the coalition government in 2020. They didn't won in 2015, they were installed in power, FYI.

If that's your conclusion the commies will be out for a while,you will get sore complaining.

Cobra posted:

 

The ABC countries is their only hope if they still find confidence in the coalition government in 2020. They didn't won in 2015, they were installed in power, FYI.

The ABC countries were not responsible for the PPPs loss.

It was the PPP which was responsible.  In 2011, and again in 2015 more than 50% of the population indicated that they were tired of them.

Django posted:

 

If that's your conclusion the commies will be out for a while,you will get sore complaining.

Given the wide spread frustration with the coalition gov't one would think that the PPP would be revamping, and attempting t build support outside of their traditional base.

But Jagdeo is too arrogant to just get out of the way, and let new blood transform that party.

Django posted:

Cobra posted:

The ABC countries is their only hope if they still find confidence in the coalition government in 2020. They didn't won in 2015, they were installed in power, FYI.

If that's your conclusion the commies will be out for a while,you will get sore complaining.

He doan mind gettin lil sore, he does say stop it I like it.

caribny posted:

Cobra posted:

 

The ABC countries is their only hope if they still find confidence in the coalition government in 2020. They didn't won in 2015, they were installed in power, FYI.

The ABC countries were not responsible for the PPPs loss.

It was the PPP which was responsible.  In 2011, and again in 2015 more than 50% of the population indicated that they were tired of them.

The people of Guyana showed signs of regret of voting for the coalition after 100 days in office.

Guyana's independence is the triumph of Blacks over Indians!!

ba$eman posted:

Guyana's independence is the triumph of Blacks over Indians!!

It's the triumph of evil over good.

Let us not fool ourselves. It is Koolie man money that bought the Portugeese poison to put in their priceless bodies that paid for that thing that they build.

SAYYYY WHAT????

You up late, D_G.

caribny posted:

So what happens after the Jubilee.

Will the coalition gov't finally get down to the business of moving Guyana from its 1932 economy to one of the 21st century?

Most likely it will be a repeat of events after the 1972 Carifesta.

ba$eman posted:

Guyana's independence is the triumph of Blacks over Indians!!

You have my sympathy. I will pray for you.

Cobra posted:

 

The people of Guyana showed signs of regret of voting for the coalition after 100 days in office.

I don't see any evidence that those who voted AGAINST the PPP regret this. Did you not notice that the PPP got FEWER seats in the G/T city council than they did in 2016. Or they lost New Amsterdam, Bartica, and Linden.

Now what really ought to disturb the PPP, is that Mabaruma, one of the largest population centers in Region 1, saw the coalition drawing even with the PPP, when this has been one of the most PPP oriented regions for a long time.

Another reason for the PPP to panic, is that the thoroughly Amerindian town of Lethem REJECTED the PPP for a PNC led gov't. NEVER in the history of Guyana has the Rupununi ever supported any thing dominated by the PNC.

The disappointment which is being expressed is based on the nation that the coalition is AS BAD as the PPP!

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

So what happens after the Jubilee.

Will the coalition gov't finally get down to the business of moving Guyana from its 1932 economy to one of the 21st century?

Most likely it will be a repeat of events after the 1972 Carifesta.

Oh yes, that was another event that Indians boycotted, and then they screamed that it was an Afrocentric event.

Some people are just a bundle of contradictions.

Any way I will also remind you that after Carifesta, the PNC transformed itself from a moderate nationalist party, to a left wing regime intent in building ties with the Communist bloc, and reducing ties with the West.  Cheddi cried tears of joy, and cheered Burnham as he nationalized corporations, and mounted an anti private sector approach.

Cheddi, so foolish, and hoodwinked by the USSR and Cuba, didn't understand that the last thing that he should have been doing is praising Burnham's nationalization and anti private sector hostility. When 80% of the economy became state owned it gave Burnham 100% control over the lives of Guyanese.  He achieved this thanks to Burnham.

Now imagine if Cheddi renounced his communism, and took a more middle of the road path!

caribny posted:

 

Oh yes, that was another event that Indians boycotted, and then they screamed that it was an Afrocentric event.

Some people are just a bundle of contradictions.

Any way I will also remind you that after Carifesta, the PNC transformed itself from a moderate nationalist party, to a left wing regime intent in building ties with the Communist bloc, and reducing ties with the West.  Cheddi cried tears of joy, and cheered Burnham as he nationalized corporations, and mounted an anti private sector approach.

Cheddi, so foolish, and hoodwinked by the USSR and Cuba, didn't understand that the last thing that he should have been doing is praising Burnham's nationalization and anti private sector hostility. When 80% of the economy became state owned it gave Burnham 100% control over the lives of Guyanese.  He achieved this thanks to Burnham.

Now imagine if Cheddi renounced his communism, and took a more middle of the road path!

Some history lessons CARIBNY. Burnham's pivot to left leaning politics was to the Maoist Communism and especially the No Korean cult-of-the-personality (remember Hope estates and Comrade Leader and all that other nonsense). Iit was not to Cheddi's favored USSR. Thus there were no tears of joy by Cheddi, especially after he knew that privately Burnham was a westernized Trumpian at heart. While Burnham nationalized Demba (foolishly given the market state and the state of disrepair of assets and technology transfer), he knew he had to sleep in bed with Phillip Brothers for bauxite and alumina marketing. Even though he nationalized Bookers he knew he had to go to their source for procurement for sugar marketing outside the preferential market arrangement he had with both the UK and the USA. So Burnham was living the same pre-Independence life but fooling the populace with the make Guyana great (Trumpian) again slogganeering. Mah bwoy Ba$eman should love Burnham since he's all in for the Donald.

Kari posted:

caribny posted:

 

Some history lessons CARIBNY. Burnham's pivot to left leaning politics was to the Maoist Communism and especially the No Korean cult-of-the-personality (remember Hope estates and Comrade Leader and all that other nonsense). Iit was not to Cheddi's favored USSR.

And Cheddi applauded because his USSR and Cuban bosses told him, that even though Burnham wasn't a Soviet stooge, he was at least left wing, so should be supported.

The result being that the first organized resistance to that Burnham dictatorship came from the WPA.  That is why Rodney had to be killed.

Burnham knew that he had nothing to fear from Cheddi, as his Soviet bosses told him to behave.

The way that I see you PPPites genuflect to Lord Cheddi seems very much like the whole Mao cult thing anyway.

BTW the fact that when Burnham nationalized Guyana, he didn't completely disrupt commercial ties with the West, shows that he wouldn't have been as completely foolish as Cheddi would have been.  Under Cheddi Guyana would have been a Soviet client state, with PPP supporters coming back in body bags, from Angola in LARGE numbers.

Guyana would have collapsed, just as Cuba did when communism ended.  Note that we don't have the beaches that Cuba has, or its rich heritage, to rebuild itself via tourism. Nor did we have Cuba's pre Castro industrial base.

Any way this is all moot, because when Cheddi would have begun his Soviet Union obsession, Venezuela and Brazil, both then under the control of military dictatorships, would have invaded Guyana, and carved it up between themselves.  This with the active involvement of the LBJ administration.  

The USSR succeeded in establishing one military base in the Americas.  No way that a second one  would have been allowed.

End is nigh for mummified Marxists: Andrew Higgins meets Moscow's chief embalmer, who sees no future for his prized craft of preserving Communist leaders

ANDREW HIGGINS,Tuesday 1 June 1993, http://www.independent.co.uk/n...-future-1489140.html

HE KNEW them all intimately. Lenin he often saw twice a week. Stalin he helped bath. Ho Chi Minh he met on each of more than 30 trips to Vietnam. (They met first in Hanoi, then in a bunker and finally, to shelter from US bombing raids, in a secret cave deep in the jungle.)

There were others, too: Klement Gottwald, President of Czechoslovakia; Georgi Dimitrov, Prime Minister of Bulgaria; Agostinho Neto, the Marxist nationalist who ejected Portugal from Angola; Forbes Burnham, the London-trained barrister who tried to turn Guyana into a 'co-operative republic'. Sergei Debov spent days with all of them. It was part of his job; in some cases still is. Dr Debov is Moscow's master embalmer, high priest of Communism's most ghoulish tradition: the mummified Marxist.

He trained as a doctor, did a PhD in biochemistry and, after serving with a tank regiment from Stalingrad to Prague, wanted to practise medicine. Instead of healing the living, however, he has spent more than four decades preserving the dead.

It started with a job as a researcher at a laboratory attached to the Lenin Mausoleum in Red Square. At 73, Dr Debov is now director of the laboratory, greatly expanded since he joined in 1950 and renamed the Scientific- Technical Centre for Biological Structures. With 150 staff and large premises in the middle of Moscow, the centre is custodian of one of the former Soviet Union's most guarded secrets: how to embalm for eternity.

'In the West there are lots of people who know how to embalm a body, but they can only keep it for a short time,' Dr Debov says. 'We have a different approach. We embalm for long periods, forever if necessary. We preserve not just the body but the appearance, everything. As far as I know they cannot do this in the West.'

The mystery recipe was first prepared to pickle Lenin in 1924, and has been shrouded in secrecy from the start. When Lenin died, a scientific committee was set up to find a way of preserving his body. Its chairman: Felix Dzerzhinsky, head of the secret police. The formula has been modified over the years but, says Dr Debov, remains basically the same.

Though not involved in the original work on Lenin, he has had dozens of encounters with Communism's best-known corpse. It gets a check-up twice a week, with the hands and face receiving a fresh coat of embalming potion. Every 18 months, Lenin gets a thorough overhaul: he is removed from his sarcophagus and soaked for days in a bath of preserving fluid.

The collapse of Communism has led to demands for Lenin to be buried in an ordinary grave. Orthodox Christians condemn the Red Square mausoleum as sacrilege; anti-Communists want it bulldozed as a hateful symbol of the old order. Dr Debov thinks Lenin should stay where he is: 'He represents a whole epoch, a whole chapter of our history. His mausoleum is a monument to our time.'

He is less sure about the future of his profession. 'It may well die. It has no real future.' The whole discipline is founded on a belief in political permanence. Today nothing is permanent. Funding has dried up up, fashion has changed. Mummified Marxists went out with five-year plans. 'If I could start life all over again, I would never do this job.'

It is not the first time Dr Debov has had doubts or seen his work challenged. In 1953 he spent months working on Stalin's corpse. 'They sent a car to collect me when he died and took me to the laboratory. . . . My hands were shaking. He was dead but his bodyguards still stood there watching everything we did to him.' They prepared the corpse for the funeral, scrubbing the skin and extracting the organs. Later they embalmed it for eternity and put it next to Lenin in the Red Square mausoleum.

Eternity turned out to be brief. Khrushchev ordered the body removed and buried in the Kremlin wall. 'It was an awful lot of work wasted, but it somehow seemed logical. I certainly didn't suffer any agonies over this loss.'

Still more frustrating was the job involving Forbes Burnham. He died in 1985 and the body was immediately flown to Moscow. Dr Debov and his team had it pickled, preserved and sent back. 'As is often the case in banana republics, everything changed overnight,' Dr Debov recalls. Guyana decided to dump left-wing policies as well as plans to put the corpse on display. 'He had to be buried. It was a terrible waste.' Others, it must be said, remember it slightly differently. Burnham, on display in the Botanical Gardens in Georgetown, started to go off and had to be removed.

Other jobs stir more pride. He is particularly pleased with his work on Ho Chi Minh. Tipped off in August 1969 that the Vietnamese revolutionary was ill, Dr Debov rushed to Hanoi with four other Moscow specialists. Two days later Ho Chi Minh died. They set to work. Two transport planes flew in from Russia with air- conditioners and other equipment to preserve the corpse: 'It was all very difficult. The war was on and there was nothing. Even distilled water had to be brought in from Moscow.'

First they prepared the body to lie in state. After this they did the full treatment, shifting locations to avoid US bombs. The whole process, completed in a specially-equipped mountain cave, took nearly a year.

Although Moscow's alliance with Hanoi has since collapsed, Dr Debov and his colleagues still check up regularly on their handiwork. Without them, Uncle Ho would rot away: 'Vietnamese doctors participated in the embalming but they do not know all our secrets.'

The one great 20th-century Communist corpse Dr Debov never encountered is that of Mao Tse-tung, who died in 1976 at the height of Sino- Soviet squabbling. 'We had no part whatsoever in doing Mao,' he says. He sniffs at China's efforts without Russian help. 'I have heard reports that he is not in very good condition.' Mao's body, kept in a crystal sarcophogus in Tiananmen Square, does seem to have gone a bit rancid and looks in worse condition than Lenin, dead half a century longer.

Past triumphs, though, offer little comfort. Like dozens of other Soviet institutes, Dr Debov's centre excels at what it does, but does something no one wants. To earn money it has branched out into herbal medicine and even considered the unthinkable: sharing its secrets. Foreign undertakers might be interested. 'Who knows what might happen,' Dr Debov says. 'Everything is so uncertain.'

Forbes Burnham also visited the communist countries, as a delegate to conferences, while he was a student in London, England.

caribny posted:

 

Now imagine if Cheddi renounced his communism, and took a more middle of the road path!

Jeez Louise, now Cheddie getting blamed for Burnham's wickedness.

WHAT NATIONHOOD?

Avoiding the essence of shared nationhood and persistent poverty

May 21, 2016

After Cheddie put together an all star dream team to push for Guyanese independence, Burnham's early betrayal and subsequent brutal dictatorship planted the seed of suspicion between the two larger races that still exist today keeping Guyana from being this One People, One Nation, One Destiny reality.

East Indians have to boycott these celebrations in mass. Stay home and read your history from Dwarka Nath.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

 

Now imagine if Cheddi renounced his communism, and took a more middle of the road path!

Jeez Louise, now Cheddie getting blamed for Burnham's wickedness.

Cheddi was a communist, and you a PPP hypocrite, can scream all you wish, but this is a FACT.

Did Cheddi object to Burham nationalizing the economy?"  NO.  Cheddi CELEBRATED it!

Did Cheddi object to Burnham steering a path, which led to excessive dependence on communist nations?  NO. Cheddi CELEBRATED it.

Given that there is no such thing as a democratic Marxist nation, nor is there such thing as a successful democratic nation, Cheddi would have also crashed Guyana into a ditch!

ksazma posted:

After Cheddie put together an all star dream team to push for Guyanese independence, Burnham's early betrayal and subsequent brutal dictatorship planted the seed of suspicion between the two larger races that still exist today keeping Guyana from being this One People, One Nation, One Destiny reality.

Yes pure PPP propaganda.   Please show evidence that Cheddi decried apan jhat and refused to receive votes on that basis.

Don't tell me that Africans crafted words derived from Hindi!

Explain the logic of Burnham introducing racial voting when Indians were the majority, and the PNC was NOT going to get support from the Portuguese, coloreds, or the Chinese! 

And it took a while to even get the middle class blacks to support the PNC.  They voted for the UDP, led by John Carter.

Cheddi introduced racial politics in Guyana, because he stood to benefit from it.  Indians were the majority in more of the constituencies than blacks were, so race voting ensured victory.

In fact Cheddi always insisted that he should be president because Indians were the majority.

Racial suspicion in Guyana was due to the racist regime of the PPP.  You do know that the PPP was in power before the PNC was.

When Burnham left the PPP he took several Indians with him.  Burnham was fully aware that unless the PNC was able to win some seats in Indian areas, he could NOT win elections.

Prashad posted:

East Indians have to boycott these celebrations in mass. Stay home and read your history from Dwarka Nath.

Independence under the PNC for Indians of Guyana was our "al Nakbah".

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

After Cheddie put together an all star dream team to push for Guyanese independence, Burnham's early betrayal and subsequent brutal dictatorship planted the seed of suspicion between the two larger races that still exist today keeping Guyana from being this One People, One Nation, One Destiny reality.

Yes pure PPP propaganda.   Please show evidence that Cheddi decried apan jhat and refused to receive votes on that basis.

Don't tell me that Africans crafted words derived from Hindi!

1. Apan jhaat was advocated by a PPP political party in the mid-1950's.

2. In the mid-1950's when the British government suspended the constitution and the then two main parties contested the elections in 1957, there were the PPP-Jaganites and the PPP-Burnhamites.

3. After the 1957 elections, PPP-Burnhamites changed its name to PNC.

4. Note carefully ... the PPP-Jaganites NEVER ADVOCATED, VOICED NOR SUPPORTED THE APAN JHAAT SLOGAN.