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From the Diaspora…GAIUTRA BAHADUR

“****** WOMAN” A TRUE ACCOUNT OF

SEX, RAPE, INFIDELITY, EXPLOITATION

AND BRUTALIZATION OF THE

INDENTURED “****** WOMAN”

January 19, 2014 | By | Filed Under News 

 

By Ralph Seeram
It’s 2am and I am up reading. No book ever had me up at 2am to read, especially since only three hours earlier I laid the book down to have a good night’s rest. But I could not sleep, Gaiutra Bahadur “****** Woman” does that to you.
It’s a gripping, compelling true historical account of the horrors the indentured Indian women experienced, the results of which are still being experienced today — the slaughter of Indo Guyanese women by their lovers who use the weapon of choice, the cutlass.


Ms. Bahadur’s book will force Indo Guyanese whether in Guyana or in the Diaspora to revisit their past, their history, as she has rewritten history with historical accuracy, and not that which was handed down to us by the British. Her 60 pages of notes/bibliography/research are testimony to her accuracy.
It started when she embarked on a journey to trace the roots of her great grandmother, Sujaria, who arrived in Guyana as an Indentured laborer back in 1903 on the vessel, ‘The Clyde’. In theory that is what the author had in mind, in reality her journey will take her back to 1838 when the first ships, The Hesperus and The Whitby, left India with their human cargo of Indentured servants, regarded more as semi slaves as it will turn out to be.
Her journey will not only find the truth of her great grandmother Sujaria, she would on the way unearth the truth about the horrors indentured laborers experienced, truth which lay hidden in archives of England, Scotland, India, New York and Guyana as well as various family collections. It would take Ms Bahadur a few years, poring over hundreds of documents in archives and libraries in those countries to reveal the truth she was looking for.
The author’s search for truth will take her back to 1837 when the British planters were looking for replacement workers for the freed slaves. The system for recruitment of the first batch of indentured laborers pretty much set the template for the next 80 years.
Nothing changed significantly during those years to reduce their hardships, whether in the recruitment, the journey to their new homeland or the subhuman treatment they endured at the hands of their exploiters in their new environment.
The first ship, The Hesperus, set sail with 170 emigrants, only seven of whom were women. The ratio of women to men, even though increased a little, on later voyages, was to set the seed for disaster throughout indentureship, leading to strikes, riots and the slaughter of indentured men by Colonial Police.
Women were a scarce commodity for the recruiters, especially when laws mandated a ratio of women to men which in any case was still less than fifty percent. The reader will learn that the women recruits came from every caste, from different social strata, from prostitutes, abused women, wives who became outcasts and forced to leave their husbands, some willingly thinking a better life awaited them; some tricked into believing they were going somewhere else.
This left the author wondering which category her great grandmother fell into. There would be countless more questions.
The immigrants were herded at a departure point called Garden Reach, a name that seemed familiar to me and which I will explain later. It was there, that all social barriers broke down where “turned them all into an indistinguishable, degraded mass of plantation laborers without caste or family”. This “reverse alchemy began at Garden Reach as the emigrants ate and slept side by side, violating the taboo and rules that so far governed their lives”.
The writer documents stories of voyages where the women were raped, forced to submit their bodies in exchange for food, in some cases by the very people who were supposed to protect them, the ship Doctor. For some women the humiliation drove them to suicide, by jumping overboard.
If the women thought that their sexual exploitation was over when they arrived in the colony, they were mistaken. It was just the beginning as the writer details how they had to share different “husbands” because of low ratio of women to men.
This got even more complicated as the white overseers also competed for the women. In most cases the women would be forced into bed with their white masters. The problem was there was a scarcity of white women, and she documents why. This sexual exploitation of the women caused serious resentment among the indentured men leading to violence strikes and in some cases fatal shootings by the colonial police.
While there were laws in theory to protect indentured laborers, the readers will find out how justice was dispensed to the poor souls. Ms Bahadur explains the reasons for the high suicide rate among the indentured workers.
Fast forward to today. The author cites incidents of Indo Guyanese hacking their women with the weapon of choice, the cutlass, and shows how this has a direct connection dating back to the indentured system.
The writer, who was born in Cumberland Village in Canje Berbice, but left for the U S at an early age, also researched her hometown and the nearby Rose Hall Estate. Her research will document the history of those places and in the process discover the ancestry of a friend of mine, David Fraser, of Number 19 Village Courentyne. Yes David; you are indeed of Scottish heritage.
She will comment on present day socio economic conditions in Guyana as these relate to women, and even though she did not name names, she took a “swipe” at a personal friend of mine, a lawyer who after some legal problem in Canada returned to Guyana to set up practice. I could not see the relevance but that’s the writer’s prerogative.
There was another reason why I was so fascinated with the excellent work of Ms Bahadur who was born a few miles from where I lived then in Guyana. At times, I thought she was telling the story of my grandmother who came on the SS Sutlej in 1908.
I examined her Immigration pass, and there it was, the dreaded departure point, 61 Garden Reach, where the Indentured men and women were herded like cattle awaiting their trip.
I called my mother who is approaching 90 and asked her if my grandmother ever mentioned her boat trip to Guyana. She replied, “Not a word”. I told her to read “****** Woman” to get the answer. She will have the opportunity as my sister has a signed copy by Ms Bahadur.
Gaiutra Bahadur went to trace the roots of her great grandmother Sujaria, but what she did in the process was create a path where all Indo Guyanese and those in the wider Diaspora can go back into their past, to learn the dark secrets their forefathers overcame to preserve future generations.
“****** Woman” is not only compulsory reading for those of Indian decent, but a must read for Guyanese historians, and should definitely serve as a history text book in high schools as well as the University of Guyana.


Ralph Seeram can be reach at Email: ralph365@hotmail.com

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I  see the word used to describe Indians in Guyana and the ricksha Wallah is unacceptable on this Board (replaced with astericks). I beg to disagree.

 

Gaiutra Bahadur's book was a revelation to me. She is an academician who honed her craft to a wonderful story of the indentured women whose value was to re-balance the gender imbalance.

 

I  recommend this book highly. I bought one for my daughter and wife.

 

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:

I  see the word used to describe Indians in Guyana and the ricksha Wallah is unacceptable on this Board (replaced with astericks). I beg to disagree.

 

Gaiutra Bahadur's book was a revelation to me. She is an academician who honed her craft to a wonderful story of the indentured women whose value was to re-balance the gender imbalance.

 

I  recommend this book highly. I bought one for my daughter and wife.

 

auntyman Ewwwwgeeee & her alter ego Rev Ally pushed de admins to ban de word C00lie. bloody idiots 

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:

I  see the word used to describe Indians in Guyana and the ricksha Wallah is unacceptable on this Board (replaced with astericks). I beg to disagree.

 

Gaiutra Bahadur's book was a revelation to me. She is an academician who honed her craft to a wonderful story of the indentured women whose value was to re-balance the gender imbalance.

 

I  recommend this book highly. I bought one for my daughter and wife.

 

Odeen is an author and here he is giving licence to this BB to censor another's book title.

Mitwah

Review - C oolie Woman: The Odyssey of

Indenture, By Gaiutra Bahadur. Hurst

£20

The plantations of the British Empire around the world faced a serious problem in the 19th century after the abolitionists succeeded in outlawing the slave trade. Where would the labourers come from? India's vast population offered hope. But British public opinion would not tolerate a repetition of slavery.

 

So came the system of indenture. People being transported across oceans to work did so after signing contracts, at whose end they were free. It was fair because the worker accepting the contract did so out of choice.

Not really: it was a relationship founded on inequality, between agents of a foreign empire and the most vulnerable people of a subject nation. Notionally, these people chose to work overseas, but as Gaiutra Bahadur's monumental narrative of what began as the story of her great-grandmother reveals, the reality was starkly different. Bahadur blames imperial capitalism, social injustice, and the famines (24 in the last quarter of the 19th century) which caused large-scale migrations of many, including women who had "greater oppression to escape."

One such woman was 27-year-old Sheojari: immigrant number 96153, with had a scar on her left foot. She was four months' pregnant when she left India – her son was born on the ship – and the name of her husband left blank. Bahadur is Sheojari's great-granddaughter. She travels to Chhapra in Bihar, where an elder reproaches her for leaving India, to the archives in Britain, and to the Caribbean. With ****** Woman, Bahadur lifts the veil of anonymity.

Bahadur studied at Yale and Columbia, and reported on the Iraq war for The Philadelphia Inquirer. In ****** Woman, she combines her journalistic eye for detail and story-telling gifts with probing questions, relentlessly pursuing leads to create a haunting portrait of the life of a subaltern. "Can the subaltern speak?" the theorist Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak had asked rhetorically. Yes, she can. Through the story of Sheojari, Bahadur shows how.

 
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http://www.amazon.com/******-W...enture/dp/0226034429

 

In 1903, a young woman sailed from India to Guiana as a "******"--- the British name for indentured laborers who replaced the newly emancipated slaves on sugar plantations all around the world. Pregnant and traveling alone, this woman, like so many of the indentured, disappeared into history. Now, in ****** Woman, her great-granddaughter Gaiutra Bahadur embarks on a journey into the past to find her. Traversing three continents and trawling through countless colonial archives, Bahadur excavates not only her great-grandmother's story but also the repressed history of some quarter of a million other ****** women, shining a light on their complex lives. 

 
 Many of these women were widows, runaways, or outcasts. Many fled mistreatment, even mortal danger, to migrate alone in epic sea voyages--traumatic "middle passages"--only to face a life of hard labor, dismal living conditions, and, most notably, sexual exploitation. As Bahadur explains, however, it is precisely their sexuality that makes ****** women stand out as figures in history. In a borderland between freedom and slavery--and because these women were so greatly outnumbered by men--sex made them victims at the same time that it gave them sway. And it was a source, at times, of tremendous conflict, from machete murders to entire uprisings.
 
 
 
     Examining this and many other facets of these courageous women's lives, ****** Woman is a meditation on survival, a gripping story of a double diaspora--from India to the West Indies in one century, Guyana to the United States in the next--that is at once a search for one's roots and an exploration of gender and power, peril and opportunity. 

 

FM

Reviews:

 

Junot Díaz, author of This Is How You Lose Her
“An astonishing document—both a historical rescue mission and a profound meditation on family and womanhood, Gaiutra Bahadur’s C oolie Woman spans continents and centuries, the private and the national, to bring to light the extraordinary lives of the author’s great-grandmother and the other quarter of a million ****** women that came to the New World as indentured laborers. Bahadur’s meticulous research and tireless perseverance have restored an important chapter in our histories—outstanding work.”
 
Library Journal
“Bahadur has written a masterly chronicle of the lives of ‘c oolie women’ (and also ‘****** men&rsquo. . . . . The stories are both poignant and horrific: abuse, promiscuity, rape, mutilation, cuckoldry, and murder abound (according to Bahadur, this legacy still survives in Guyana), owing to the shortage of women and the double struggle between ‘men and women, colonizer and colonized.’ . . . This spellbinding account of a story that needed to be told is highly recommended.”
 
Shivanee Ramlochan | Trinidad & Tobago Guardian
C oolie Woman is about indenture, yes. It’s also a product of unflinching inquiry into community, diaspora, displacement, New World immigration, the body politic, and the persistent legacy of colonialism. Reading it is immersive, dense, and challenging in the best way: it marks a series of redefinitions, broadening the basin of one’s assumptions governing indenture. It illuminates the tableaux of Indian women’s stories, blowing heaped decades of dust from their surfaces. Bahadur handles this history without compromise, imbuing it with prismatic context, deepening the true stories that can be told about the journeys that so many women undertook.”
 
Salil Tripathi | The Guardian
“In C oolie Woman, [Bahadur] combines her journalistic eye for detail and storytelling gifts with probing questions, relentlessly pursuing leads to create a haunting portrait of the life of a subaltern. ‘Can the subaltern speak?’ the theorist Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak had asked rhetorically. Yes, she can. Through the story of Sheojari, Bahadur shows how.”
 
Andrea Stuart | Literary Review
“Fascinating story, which will have resonance for millions of others who are swept up and transformed by history and have to find a new way to create ‘home.’”
 
Adam Hochschild, author of Bury the Chains
“Gaiutra Bahadur’s book made me realize how the experience of a whole generation of women like her great-grandmother profoundly challenges the various stereotypes we have. This is a highly original combination of careful scholarship and well-told personal journey.”
 
Pankaj Mishra, author of From the Ruins of Empire
“Gaiutra Bahadur’s pathbreaking book carefully excavates an imperial history of violence and uprooting. But this is no simple account of victimhood. It shows, with understated literary power, the bitterly paradoxical nature of colonial modernity: the unbearable dialectic between enslavement and liberation that many unsung millions underwent in their private lives.”
 
Teju Cole, author of Open City
“With the exhilarating meticulousness of a period film, C oolie Woman recreates a vanished world and casts a personal searchlight on the saga of indenture. Gaiutra Bahadur rescues her great-grandmother Sujaria and other ****** women from the archives by means of a narrative that is both scholarly and soulful. In detailing the bitter journeys of her forebears, in making their astonishing experiences real and sympathetic, and in registering the complexities of their lives—not least the extent to which they made choices where one might have expected helplessness—Bahadur honors their memories and shows herself their worthy descendant.”
 
Richard Drayton, King's College London
“Gaiutra Bahadur braids a dazzling rope from the history of Indian migration to the Caribbean, the experience of Indians in Guyana and of Indo-Guyanese immigrants in the United States, and the joy and pain of ‘return’ to India. Deeply researched, elegantly written, C oolie Woman is a major contribution to the literature of diaspora.” 
 
Neel Mukherjee, author of A Life Apart
“An impassioned, meticulously researched, and gripping book that shines a fierce light on a dark, unexplored corner of the history of colonialism and slavery, C oolie Woman intertwines the personal and the historical to sensational effect. It is also a uniquely affecting piece of work.”
 
John Agard, author of Half-Caste
“Every so often a history book comes along that grips you into a cascade of compelling narrative. The writer excavates new ore from old seams. C oolie Woman is such a book, destined for a unique place in the multi-mirror of Caribbean culture.”
FM

Amazon, New York Times and other reputable literary organization can print C00LIE and this 2-bit Board cannot!

 

Aren't you Admins ashamed? First you allow patently racist coded phrases to be used here, and now the use of C00lie is disallowed?

Kari
Originally Posted by asj:

From the Diaspora…GAIUTRA BAHADUR

“****** WOMAN” A TRUE ACCOUNT OF

SEX, RAPE, INFIDELITY, EXPLOITATION

AND BRUTALIZATION OF THE

INDENTURED “****** WOMAN”

January 19, 2014 | By | Filed Under News 

 

By Ralph Seeram
It’s 2am and I am up reading. No book ever had me up at 2am to read, especially since only three hours earlier I laid the book down to have a good night’s rest. But I could not sleep, Gaiutra Bahadur “****** Woman” does that to you.
It’s a gripping, compelling true historical account of the horrors the indentured Indian women experienced, the results of which are still being experienced today — the slaughter of Indo Guyanese women by their lovers who use the weapon of choice, the cutlass.


Ms. Bahadur’s book will force Indo Guyanese whether in Guyana or in the Diaspora to revisit their past, their history, as she has rewritten history with historical accuracy, and not that which was handed down to us by the British. Her 60 pages of notes/bibliography/research are testimony to her accuracy.
It started when she embarked on a journey to trace the roots of her great grandmother, Sujaria, who arrived in Guyana as an Indentured laborer back in 1903 on the vessel, ‘The Clyde’. In theory that is what the author had in mind, in reality her journey will take her back to 1838 when the first ships, The Hesperus and The Whitby, left India with their human cargo of Indentured servants, regarded more as semi slaves as it will turn out to be.
Her journey will not only find the truth of her great grandmother Sujaria, she would on the way unearth the truth about the horrors indentured laborers experienced, truth which lay hidden in archives of England, Scotland, India, New York and Guyana as well as various family collections. It would take Ms Bahadur a few years, poring over hundreds of documents in archives and libraries in those countries to reveal the truth she was looking for.
The author’s search for truth will take her back to 1837 when the British planters were looking for replacement workers for the freed slaves. The system for recruitment of the first batch of indentured laborers pretty much set the template for the next 80 years.
Nothing changed significantly during those years to reduce their hardships, whether in the recruitment, the journey to their new homeland or the subhuman treatment they endured at the hands of their exploiters in their new environment.
The first ship, The Hesperus, set sail with 170 emigrants, only seven of whom were women. The ratio of women to men, even though increased a little, on later voyages, was to set the seed for disaster throughout indentureship, leading to strikes, riots and the slaughter of indentured men by Colonial Police.
Women were a scarce commodity for the recruiters, especially when laws mandated a ratio of women to men which in any case was still less than fifty percent. The reader will learn that the women recruits came from every caste, from different social strata, from prostitutes, abused women, wives who became outcasts and forced to leave their husbands, some willingly thinking a better life awaited them; some tricked into believing they were going somewhere else.
This left the author wondering which category her great grandmother fell into. There would be countless more questions.
The immigrants were herded at a departure point called Garden Reach, a name that seemed familiar to me and which I will explain later. It was there, that all social barriers broke down where “turned them all into an indistinguishable, degraded mass of plantation laborers without caste or family”. This “reverse alchemy began at Garden Reach as the emigrants ate and slept side by side, violating the taboo and rules that so far governed their lives”.
The writer documents stories of voyages where the women were raped, forced to submit their bodies in exchange for food, in some cases by the very people who were supposed to protect them, the ship Doctor. For some women the humiliation drove them to suicide, by jumping overboard.
If the women thought that their sexual exploitation was over when they arrived in the colony, they were mistaken. It was just the beginning as the writer details how they had to share different “husbands” because of low ratio of women to men.
This got even more complicated as the white overseers also competed for the women. In most cases the women would be forced into bed with their white masters. The problem was there was a scarcity of white women, and she documents why. This sexual exploitation of the women caused serious resentment among the indentured men leading to violence strikes and in some cases fatal shootings by the colonial police.
While there were laws in theory to protect indentured laborers, the readers will find out how justice was dispensed to the poor souls. Ms Bahadur explains the reasons for the high suicide rate among the indentured workers.
Fast forward to today. The author cites incidents of Indo Guyanese hacking their women with the weapon of choice, the cutlass, and shows how this has a direct connection dating back to the indentured system.
The writer, who was born in Cumberland Village in Canje Berbice, but left for the U S at an early age, also researched her hometown and the nearby Rose Hall Estate. Her research will document the history of those places and in the process discover the ancestry of a friend of mine, David Fraser, of Number 19 Village Courentyne. Yes David; you are indeed of Scottish heritage.
She will comment on present day socio economic conditions in Guyana as these relate to women, and even though she did not name names, she took a “swipe” at a personal friend of mine, a lawyer who after some legal problem in Canada returned to Guyana to set up practice. I could not see the relevance but that’s the writer’s prerogative.
There was another reason why I was so fascinated with the excellent work of Ms Bahadur who was born a few miles from where I lived then in Guyana. At times, I thought she was telling the story of my grandmother who came on the SS Sutlej in 1908.
I examined her Immigration pass, and there it was, the dreaded departure point, 61 Garden Reach, where the Indentured men and women were herded like cattle awaiting their trip.
I called my mother who is approaching 90 and asked her if my grandmother ever mentioned her boat trip to Guyana. She replied, “Not a word”. I told her to read “****** Woman” to get the answer. She will have the opportunity as my sister has a signed copy by Ms Bahadur.
Gaiutra Bahadur went to trace the roots of her great grandmother Sujaria, but what she did in the process was create a path where all Indo Guyanese and those in the wider Diaspora can go back into their past, to learn the dark secrets their forefathers overcame to preserve future generations.
“****** Woman” is not only compulsory reading for those of Indian decent, but a must read for Guyanese historians, and should definitely serve as a history text book in high schools as well as the University of Guyana.


Ralph Seeram can be reach at Email: ralph365@hotmail.com

excellent book.  It goes to show how the scottish man used to like to take advantage of our brown skin gyals.  

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:

Amazon, New York Times and other reputable literary organization can print C00LIE and this 2-bit Board cannot!

 

Aren't you Admins ashamed? First you allow patently racist coded phrases to be used here, and now the use of C00lie is disallowed?

Admin, why is the word C00lie banned?

Mitwah

To this day, some ppl of indian origin still think of kuli as a degrading word. And it was used that way in the earlier discussions many many years ago when this BB started by young Odeen. Perhaps, then it was wise to curtailed the word. It upset some ppl sensibilities. I was never offended. I knew enough of its history.

S
Originally Posted by Kari:

Amazon, New York Times and other reputable literary organization can print C00LIE and this 2-bit Board cannot!

 

Aren't you Admins ashamed? First you allow patently racist coded phrases to be used here, and now the use of C00lie is disallowed?

Well Rev of OP/NICIL/MOF/Freedom House can say his race baiting in freedom.

FM

I'd actually like to see a balanced book which looks at our history from  a holistic point of view instead of through victim this or victim that. This woman author is merely on an ego trip to make her academic bones by writing a one-sided anti-Imperial family history.

 

The fact is that Indentureship was a net plus for our ancestors. There is actually a nation-state in the Western hemisphere peopled and governed by the sons and daughters of India's outcastes and chammars.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

 

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of this. My great-grandfather Lutchman Bahadur Singh even inherited part of the British planter's estate. Doesn't really strike me as rape or exploitation.

FM
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Also, for Christ sake, whole Indian families immigrated together in many instances. Quite literate too. All of my ancestors came with their families intact. Wives and kids etc.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

 

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of this. My great-grandfather Lutchman Bahadur Singh even inherited part of the British planter's estate. Doesn't really strike me as rape or exploitation.

in those days for the indentures labours it was hard,but it was suppose to be hard,it not like they come to guyana rich people,some had nothing so they had to work,it was the same for every race that migrate.in the 21 century people migrate and still find things hard at first,ask any guyanese that come to north America in the 50,60,70,80, regardless of the past i am thankful for the sacrifice my ancestors went through to come to guyana,its a far better life than living in India

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

 

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of this. My great-grandfather Lutchman Bahadur Singh even inherited part of the British planter's estate. Doesn't really strike me as rape or exploitation.

in those days for the indentures labours it was hard,but it was suppose to be hard,it not like they come to guyana rich people,some had nothing so they had to work,it was the same for every race that migrate.in the 21 century people migrate and still find things hard at first,ask any guyanese that come to north America in the 50,60,70,80, regardless of the past i am thankful for the sacrifice my ancestors went through to come to guyana,its a far better life than living in India

 

I couldn't agree more. Life in Guyana was much better than Bihar or UP. And I'm sure the rape statistics for Bihar and UP are astounding.

 

This author wrote a terribly one-sided book. She completely glosses over the real story....one of endurance, strength, courage, and ultimate triumph over adversity. The grandsons and granddaughters of these people are now university-educated and upwardly mobile. In one century we moved more than we have in 2,000 years thanks to indentureship.

 

God Save the Queen!

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

 

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of this. My great-grandfather Lutchman Bahadur Singh even inherited part of the British planter's estate. Doesn't really strike me as rape or exploitation.

in those days for the indentures labours it was hard,but it was suppose to be hard,it not like they come to guyana rich people,some had nothing so they had to work,it was the same for every race that migrate.in the 21 century people migrate and still find things hard at first,ask any guyanese that come to north America in the 50,60,70,80, regardless of the past i am thankful for the sacrifice my ancestors went through to come to guyana,its a far better life than living in India

 

I couldn't agree more. Life in Guyana was much better than Bihar or UP. And I'm sure the rape statistics for Bihar and UP are astounding.

 

This author wrote a terribly one-sided book. She completely glosses over the real story....one of endurance, strength, courage, and ultimate triumph over adversity. The grandsons and granddaughters of these people are now university-educated and upwardly mobile. In one century we moved more than we have in 2,000 years thanks to indentureship.

 

God Save the Queen!

"God Save the Queen", Jagan and his communist boys goan give u a good licking. Jagan, also thought that indentureship was the worst thing that could have happened to the indians. During the 50's indians excelled in education and commerce. And he claimed that we were punishing.

S
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by JoKer:

P.S. My paternal great-great grandfather was one of these British planters and it wasn't what this woman makes it out to be.

my great grand father did great under the British in fact he was the head driver of enmore estate and when he retire the British give him land as a reward for his work.from my grand father account he became a wealthy man in fact he was one of the few Indian in those time that had race horse he was also a top stick fighter.   

 

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of this. My great-grandfather Lutchman Bahadur Singh even inherited part of the British planter's estate. Doesn't really strike me as rape or exploitation.

in those days for the indentures labours it was hard,but it was suppose to be hard,it not like they come to guyana rich people,some had nothing so they had to work,it was the same for every race that migrate.in the 21 century people migrate and still find things hard at first,ask any guyanese that come to north America in the 50,60,70,80, regardless of the past i am thankful for the sacrifice my ancestors went through to come to guyana,its a far better life than living in India

 

I couldn't agree more. Life in Guyana was much better than Bihar or UP. And I'm sure the rape statistics for Bihar and UP are astounding.

 

This author wrote a terribly one-sided book. She completely glosses over the real story....one of endurance, strength, courage, and ultimate triumph over adversity. The grandsons and granddaughters of these people are now university-educated and upwardly mobile. In one century we moved more than we have in 2,000 years thanks to indentureship.

 

God Save the Queen!

RE:  "I couldn't agree more. Life in Guyana was much better than Bihar or UP. And I'm sure the rape statistics for Bihar and UP are astounding.

 

This author wrote a terribly one-sided book. She completely glosses over the real story....one of endurance, strength, courage, and ultimate triumph over adversity. The grandsons and granddaughters of these people are now university-educated and upwardly mobile. In one century we moved more than we have in 2,000 years thanks to indentureship.

 

God Save the Queen! "

 

 

All I haveta say here is wow.

cain

I'm pretty sure Bahadur's book (and I haven't read it yet - just listened to excerpts and Q & A at Colombia University), is about her grandmother (or great-gran) and it illustrates one aspect of female indentureship that is little known. I'm not sure her intent is to do a comprehensive history of female indentureship.

 

If I were to postulate that what passes in India today (rape, poverty, etc. that's being highlighted here) is a celebration of why Indo-Caribbeans exist, then we're foolhardy. And I'm sure that Bahadur did not suggest that Indentures hard work is something to complain about.

 

I respect Joker's contributions here and he knows I have a high opinion of him, but I'd be remiss not to point out that critiques of the book must not miss the point of a grandmother's (or great-gran) journey and Bahadur coming face-to-face with her history.

 

 

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:

I'm pretty sure Bahadur's book (and I haven't read it yet - just listened to excerpts and Q & A at Colombia University), is about her grandmother (or great-gran) and it illustrates one aspect of female indentureship that is little known. I'm not sure her intent is to do a comprehensive history of female indentureship.

 

If I were to postulate that what passes in India today (rape, poverty, etc. that's being highlighted here) is a celebration of why Indo-Caribbeans exist, then we're foolhardy. And I'm sure that Bahadur did not suggest that Indentures hard work is something to complain about.

 

I respect Joker's contributions here and he knows I have a high opinion of him, but I'd be remiss not to point out that critiques of the book must not miss the point of a grandmother's (or great-gran) journey and Bahadur coming face-to-face with her history.

 

 

 

I see your point and it's well noted. Her great-grandmother's story is a part of the overall story but not comprehensive as you said. The Empire did a lot of good as well as ill. Overall, we did ok as a people.

FM
Originally Posted by JoKer:
Originally Posted by Kari:

I'm pretty sure Bahadur's book (and I haven't read it yet - just listened to excerpts and Q & A at Colombia University), is about her grandmother (or great-gran) and it illustrates one aspect of female indentureship that is little known. I'm not sure her intent is to do a comprehensive history of female indentureship.

 

If I were to postulate that what passes in India today (rape, poverty, etc. that's being highlighted here) is a celebration of why Indo-Caribbeans exist, then we're foolhardy. And I'm sure that Bahadur did not suggest that Indentures hard work is something to complain about.

 

I respect Joker's contributions here and he knows I have a high opinion of him, but I'd be remiss not to point out that critiques of the book must not miss the point of a grandmother's (or great-gran) journey and Bahadur coming face-to-face with her history.

 

 

 

I see your point and it's well noted. Her great-grandmother's story is a part of the overall story but not comprehensive as you said. The Empire did a lot of good as well as ill. Overall, we did ok as a people.

i think from where we come from and what our ancestors were we did not only do ok but great.in the days of indentureship what some people will call hardship some call a bless opportune.  

FM

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