Others with ideas include you. If you only stand on the outside shouting out commands, it will have no effect. I suggest that you liquidate the dollar store business and set up a meeting with Granger and spearhead these ideas. 

Drugb posted:

Others with ideas include you. If you only stand on the outside shouting out commands, it will have no effect. I suggest that you liquidate the dollar store business and set up a meeting with Granger and spearhead these ideas. 

I suggest that you cease telling others what to do given that you didn't give up your coding job during the Jagdeo era.  This despite your loud boasts about your family's immense wealth, which you attribute to being Indian.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

Others with ideas include you. If you only stand on the outside shouting out commands, it will have no effect. I suggest that you liquidate the dollar store business and set up a meeting with Granger and spearhead these ideas. 

I suggest that you cease telling others what to do given that you didn't give up your coding job during the Jagdeo era.  This despite your loud boasts about your family's immense wealth, which you attribute to being Indian.

My occupation is just a past time, look where I am now. 

Drugb posted:

Others with ideas include you. If you only stand on the outside shouting out commands, it will have no effect. I suggest that you liquidate the dollar store business and set up a meeting with Granger and spearhead these ideas. 

Why don't you liquidate your gingerbread house, ( you do not have anything else) and go there if you think you can? I am not going. I said that already. That does not mean I cannot pontificate or proffer suggestions.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

Others with ideas include you. If you only stand on the outside shouting out commands, it will have no effect. I suggest that you liquidate the dollar store business and set up a meeting with Granger and spearhead these ideas. 

I suggest that you cease telling others what to do given that you didn't give up your coding job during the Jagdeo era.  This despite your loud boasts about your family's immense wealth, which you attribute to being Indian.

My occupation is just a past time, look where I am now. 

A nine to five on the grunt threadmill is not past time. Maybe you could do with a dollar store!

Drugb posted:

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My occupation is just a past time, look where I am now. 

Yes. Living in perpetual fear that your job gets outsourced to India or that some new visa person gets your job.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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My occupation is just a past time, look where I am now. 

Yes. Living in perpetual fear that your job gets outsourced to India or that some new visa person gets your job.

UBS is in desperate times and will have to cut back to protect against continual decline of income.

Danyael posted:

Drugb posted:

 

A nine to five on the grunt threadmill is not past time. Maybe you could do with a dollar store!

Maybe you can teach him a trick or two about the dollar business, especially stocking the shelves. Let him learn from an expert.

Danyael posted:

Most of the rice farmers are small farmers. Many of them with less than 20 acres. It means they can produce special varieties of rice and also use the by products of the rice for other things if they have a small portable rice mill for economy of scale.

These small millers can also add a portable stock feed processing machine to use the rice byproducts plus other available products ( tiny shrimps, minnows etc) to make stock feed.

It would be great for  others to get together and bootstrap a small machine manufacturing industry. We have need for everything from barbeque grills to the machines above to kilms and pizza ovens.

Most of the paddy sold to millers are from large farmers.  Many of them employ local labourers during rice planting and harvesting season.  Outside of this season, the laborers work on picking coconuts to make copra, and other farm chores.  During this time the labourers also work on the drainage and irrigation maintenance as this is crucial during rice season.  They flood the fields during planting time and drain them during harvesting.  Lots of labourers also work in the mills and in transportation of rice.

Outside of providing hard currency for Guyana, rice employs several thousand people.  Several rice mills have closed this year as farmers are not getting the price promised to them and it is costing them money to produce the paddy.  End of an era!

PNC Ko KO Beah destroyed the rice industry. There is a shortage of foreign currency.

The shyte is about to this the fan.

This is Carl Greenidge economics all over again. PNC part two.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Danyael posted:

Most of the rice farmers are small farmers. Many of them with less than 20 acres. It means they can produce special varieties of rice and also use the by products of the rice for other things if they have a small portable rice mill for economy of scale.

These small millers can also add a portable stock feed processing machine to use the rice byproducts plus other available products ( tiny shrimps, minnows etc) to make stock feed.

It would be great for  others to get together and bootstrap a small machine manufacturing industry. We have need for everything from barbeque grills to the machines above to kilms and pizza ovens.

Most of the paddy sold to millers are from large farmers.  Many of them employ local labourers during rice planting and harvesting season.  Outside of this season, the laborers work on picking coconuts to make copra, and other farm chores.  During this time the labourers also work on the drainage and irrigation maintenance as this is crucial during rice season.  They flood the fields during planting time and drain them during harvesting.  Lots of labourers also work in the mills and in transportation of rice.

Outside of providing hard currency for Guyana, rice employs several thousand people.  Several rice mills have closed this year as farmers are not getting the price promised to them and it is costing them money to produce the paddy.  End of an era!

there are no large farmers on the corentyne. There are no large scale coconut farming there either where the off season cane cutters become fishermen.

I am not familiar with the Corentyne area.  Essequibo has many large scale rice farmers and also Mahaica/Mahaicony/Abary.  Isn't Black Bush Polder a rice producing area?

Rice harvesting in Black Bush Polder.  See where I get my info. from?

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am not familiar with the Corentyne area.  Essequibo has many large scale rice farmers and also Mahaica/Mahaicony/Abary.  Isn't Black Bush Polder a rice producing area?

The polder area limited plots. Consolidation after people left did no accrue to more than a hundred acres. Most farmers have limited acreage and rent their plots.

I get my info from knowing the area and not from a representation on a dollar bill.  The largest farmers were the Fraisers and Roy Hanoman and they were in the 400 acres area.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am not familiar with the Corentyne area.  Essequibo has many large scale rice farmers and also Mahaica/Mahaicony/Abary.  Isn't Black Bush Polder a rice producing area?

My uncle moved from WCD to Yakusari BBP,when the area opened in the 60's, i think he had 5 acres rice land,I was a lil boy then,he gave it up after my aunt past away.

The largest farmer in Essequibo is Kayman Sankar he was originally from Cornelia Ida WCD.I heard papa Cheddi boost him up.

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am not familiar with the Corentyne area.  Essequibo has many large scale rice farmers and also Mahaica/Mahaicony/Abary.  Isn't Black Bush Polder a rice producing area?

My uncle moved from WCD to Yakusari BBP,when the area opened in the 60's, i think he had 5 acres rice land,I was a lil boy then,he gave it up after my aunt past away.

The largest farmer in Essequibo is Kayman Sankar he was originally from Cornelia Ida WCD.I heard papa Cheddi boost him up.

The plots were grants of five acres to the landless by Cheddi.

Danyael posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am not familiar with the Corentyne area.  Essequibo has many large scale rice farmers and also Mahaica/Mahaicony/Abary.  Isn't Black Bush Polder a rice producing area?

My uncle moved from WCD to Yakusari BBP,when the area opened in the 60's, i think he had 5 acres rice land,I was a lil boy then,he gave it up after my aunt past away.

The largest farmer in Essequibo is Kayman Sankar he was originally from Cornelia Ida WCD.I heard papa Cheddi boost him up.

The plots were grants of five acres to the landless by Cheddi.

Thanks,

was five acres,Toolsie got his plot for chick feed he was indebted to him.

Danyael posted:

Most of the rice farmers are small farmers. Many of them with less than 20 acres. It means they can produce special varieties of rice and also use the by products of the rice for other things if they have a small portable rice mill for economy of scale.

These small millers can also add a portable stock feed processing machine to use the rice byproducts plus other available products ( tiny shrimps, minnows etc) to make stock feed.

It would be great for  others to get together and bootstrap a small machine manufacturing industry. We have need for everything from barbeque grills to the machines above to kilms and pizza ovens.

India and China already have those paddy processing machines. Are you suggesting the machines be made in Guyana for the Guyanese farmers. I looked into it once, bcz I felt it could lower the cost of the small farmer and spare them the fleecing by the millers.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

.  Several rice mills have closed this year as farmers are not getting the price promised to them and it is costing them money to produce the paddy.  End of an era!

Do you not know that Venezuela is so broke that Trinidad has extended a line of credit to local retailers to enable them to increase their food purchases because Venezuelans are pouring into that island emptying the shelves? As there is no food in Venezuela.

Do you not know that Venezuelans are rowing to Curacao to escape poverty and hopelessness just as Haitians and Cubans try to get to Florida?

So what price were rice farmers promised?

1.  Prices were tied to oil prices. When those were high so were rice prices. Now that they have dropped.................well you have a brain so figure it out!

2. Venezuela is so broke that it would rather sell its oil to Trinidad for further refining, so that it can get US dollars to service its debt.  Exchanging it for rice isn't a priority.

3. A broke Venezuela will buy what ever rice that it can from cheaper sources.  Guyana wasn't cheap.

Take your head out of Jagdeo's much used rear cavity.  You know that place where he has two way activity!

And here again we see PPP idiocy. Rather than using the windfall that they got from Venezuela under Petro Caribe to make the industry more competitive they did what ever they did with that money.  They thought that gravy days would last for ever.

Well Venezuela is a mess. Hordes of them are pouring over borders looking for food, and the rice industry didn't transform itself.

caribny posted:

Do you not know that Venezuela is so broke that Trinidad has extended a line of credit to local retailers to enable them to increase their food purchases because Venezuelans are pouring into that island emptying the shelves? As there is no food in Venezuela.

Do you not know that Venezuelans are rowing to Curacao to escape poverty and hopelessness just as Haitians and Cubans try to get to Florida?

So what price were rice farmers promised?

1.  Prices were tied to oil prices. When those were high so were rice prices. Now that they have dropped.................well you have a brain so figure it out!

2. Venezuela is so broke that it would rather sell its oil to Trinidad for further refining, so that it can get US dollars to service its debt.  Exchanging it for rice isn't a priority.

3. A broke Venezuela will buy what ever rice that it can from cheaper sources.  Guyana wasn't cheap.

Take your head out of Jagdeo's much used rear cavity.  You know that place where he has two way activity!

 

Why don't you and Granger get some Black people together and start producing rice. I see you do a lot of talking on this forum like d2 but yet you fled like a  rat when Granger came looking for investors.

Drugb posted:

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Why don't you and Granger get some Black people together and start producing rice..

Why when no one wants Guyanese rice? It is just plain dumb to produce what no one wants.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Why don't you and Granger get some Black people together and start producing rice..

Why when no one wants Guyanese rice? It is just plain dumb to produce what no one wants.

Now you change your tune. Nothing wrong with Guyana's rice. Give the right price all will be sold.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Why don't you and Granger get some Black people together and start producing rice..

Why when no one wants Guyanese rice? It is just plain dumb to produce what no one wants.

Now you change your tune. Nothing wrong with Guyana's rice. Give the right price all will be sold.

No one will pay the "right" price, so I repeat. No one wants Guyanese rice and I have been saying this since you screamed that Granger should have chased out Exxon so that MadBURRO would  continue to pretend that he still had money to buy anything from anyone.

caribny posted:

No one will pay the "right" price, so I repeat. No one wants Guyanese rice and I have been saying this since you screamed that Granger should have chased out Exxon so that MadBURRO would  continue to pretend that he still had money to buy anything from anyone.

Apparently you are now an expert on rice. It is just a commodity like any other commodity on the world market. It has to compete on a cost basis with other producers. You must have missed the discussion where Guyanese are unable to produce rice competitively. Maybe if Blacks take over rice production it will be profitable, see what a wonderful job they are doing with the economy?

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

No one will pay the "right" price, so I repeat. No one wants Guyanese rice and I have been saying this since you screamed that Granger should have chased out Exxon so that MadBURRO would  continue to pretend that he still had money to buy anything from anyone.

Apparently you are now an expert on rice. It is just a commodity like any other commodity on the world market. It has to compete on a cost basis with other producers.

Apparently I am an expert on rice because I have said exactly that.

1. Its a commodity and supply and demand determines price, plus other factors like shipping availability, cost and the characteristics of the rice.

2. Guyana is an inefficient producer, so cannot compete in most markets. The LARGEST market for rice exists within a few hundred miles of Guyana, and almost all of these nations produce little rice. Yet Guyana struggles to find new markets because it cannot compete on price, so Asians from across the world dominate these Latin American rice markets.

3. Rather than taking the TEMPORARY high prices that Venezuela was paying under Petro Caribe to improve the efficiency of rice, so that once that arrangement ceased to be lucrative (prices dropping, MadBURRO changing  his mind, or what ever) Guyana's industry would be competitive the rice industry stuck on to this like a crack ho on crack.

4. Petro Caribe is now effectively over and so the rice industry is in trouble because it felt entitled to these high prices, just as GuySICKO felt entitled to highly subsidized EU sugar prices.

5. Uruguay is an efficient producer. Maybe Guyana can find out why, instead of screaming that they deserve to get high prices, even though Venezuela can no longer afford to offer this.

Can you understand this?   I don't see what blacks have to do with any relevance to these facts. FYI there are blacks in the rice industry.

BTW I don't see how blacks are currently doing any worse with the economy than your Indians did.

Tiny St Vincent, with a failing banana economy had a GDP of US$6700. Dominica, in similar straits, was at $7300. Neighboring Suriname, with a similar economy, was at $9700.  Guyana a mere $4000.

These are 2014 numbers so clearly the PPP is to blame for this.

Look at our infant mortality rate. Guyana at 33/1000, and Haiti at 41.  Every one else in the Caribbean is at 20 or less.  These are for the 2010/15 average. 

In the early 90s Guyana was at 45 and Haiti at 82, so you can see that they are cutting their infant mortality rate faster than we are.  These are UN numbers.

Why? if your Indian government, in power for 23 years, NOT encumbered by Burnham's debts, was so good!

These current people are a bunch of clowns, but they aren't any worse than the ones who they displaced.