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The Alliance For Change (AFC) has been “hijacked” by the pro-PNC faction in its executive, according to political analyst, Dr Henry Jeffrey.

Writing in his Future Notes column in Wednesday’s edition of Stabroek News, Jeffrey cited the recent upheaval that had buffeted the governing coalition partner over the unilateral selection of a Gecom Chairman and which led to the withdrawal of its Canadian arm.

Noting that the AFC’s declared purpose on formation in 2005 was to “bridge the racial divide that had resulted from the dominance of the two major ethnic parties (PPP/C and PNCR)” and to transform governance, Jeffrey asserted that the party has not delivered and is now on the defensive. 

“..here we are today: notwithstanding all the promises, governance, far from being transformed appears now set upon a dangerously reactionary course. Indeed, with the AFC firmly asleep in bed with the PNCR, the leader of the latter took to a National Assembly made turbulent by his unilateral decision to select the chairperson of Gecom, trying to hood-wink the Guyanese people that the coalition is ushering in opportunities and laying ‘the basis for a system of inclusionary democracy!’ How and why did this occur?”

 

Columnist Ralph Ramkarran in his column in the last Sunday Stabroek had also criticised President David Granger’s address to Parliament for suggesting that the coalition’s brand of governance was `winner-does-not-take-it-all’.

Jeffrey, who has had a long association with both the PNCR and the PPP/C,  argued that the core of the Canadian chapter’s quarrel with the AFC was that it is managed by an unresponsive oligarchy.

“One only needs to look at how stable their leaderships are to recognise that usually all political parties based upon similar archaic organisational arrangements are oligarchies that behave similarly. Indeed, given its multiethnic nature and the general hostility many in the membership felt against both the PNC and PPP, the decision to join with the PNC, matters not how necessary to oust the PPP/C, was bound to be viewed with suspicion. Nonetheless, it was seen by many both internally and externally as a sensible exercise of leadership.  The problem is that the vast majority of those who supported the PNCR/AFC alliance considered it as a relatively short/medium term arrangement to dislodge the PPP/C and implement constitutional reforms and this would have kept the party independent and vibrant in keeping with its founding credo”, Jeffrey stated.

However, Jeffrey said what makes the oligarchy now in charge of the AFC appear more estranged from its membership is that the visions that at present move it and the membership are now miles apart.

 “While the membership is still largely motivated by the original vision of an independent party, the leadership now sees its future as intricately and permanently linked to that of the coalition with APNU, and this cannot be successfully explained to the whole membership. The party has been hijacked by the PNC faction lodged in the oligarchy!”, Jeffrey declared.

He said that a good indication of this is found in the fact that the vitality of the AFC as an independent party rests upon some of the most popular aspects of proposed constitutional reform, e.g., post-election coalitions and more autonomous constituencies.

“Yet the victory of the pro-PNC oligarchs has been so decisive that this instrument of the AFC’s liberation and development has been placed in its own hands without its being able to utilise it. Indeed, the AFC’s leadership finds itself in the invidious position of having to publicly justify the ‘progress’ the coalition has made on constitutional reform!”, Jeffrey charged.

A promise by the APNU+AFC coalition of rapid constitutional reform within months of taking office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

While noting that politics is a dynamic process and things could change Jeffrey said it appeared to him that the AFC oligarchs who lost the contest for leadership of the party have obviously made their peace with the current arrangements office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

While noting that politics is a dynamic process and things could change Jeffrey said it appeared to him that the AFC oligarchs who lost the contest for leadership of the party have obviously made their peace with the current arrangements something substantial?  But perhaps our political history contains a hopeful lesson for the alienated membership of the AFC. It is said that the party originated in a desire to recreate the 1950s Jagan/Burnham – Ramjattan/Trotman – experiment with national unity and if so, its reemergence may also be located there. On that occasion the split in the oligarchy that controlled the PPP led to Forbes Burnham’s defeat; a split in the party and his subsequent formation of the PNC”, Jeffrey noted.

The AFC is currently being led by former PNCR MP Raphael Trotman. He was a surprise winner at the party’s elections earlier this year over the incumbent Khemraj Ramjattan, a former PPP/C MP. Originally it has been a three-way race for leadership along with Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo but he withdrew shortly before the election.

The AFC says it was not consulted on Granger’s controversial selection of retired Justice James Patterson as Chairman. However, at the meeting at State House at which Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo was notified, Trotman was present. Neither Trotman nor the AFC has said in what capacity he was present at that meeting. Trotman.

SOURCE = Stabroek News

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Supporters of the PPP should examine options for starting an alternative party.

Source

November 9,2017

Dear Editor,

Mr. Jagdeo and the PPP have been making a lot of public noise recently as they try to capitalize on some of the coalition’s mishandling of a number of major issues.  While the Coalition has indeed provided ample reason to question their government, supporters of the PPP should also remember that the PPP failed Guyanese on a number of crucial areas while seeming to take advantage of their supporters’ own allegiance.  Some of the issues we would do well to remember, and why also the supporters of the PPP should reconsider their support for their party and examine options for starting an alternative party are:

  1. Under the PPP administration GuySuCo’s profitability eroded during the last 10 years of its government, jeopardizing the welfare of sugar workers. Although this was partly due to the reduction in prices offered for sugar by the EU, Mr. Jagdeo’s personal involvement in the decision to sink US$200 million into the Skeldon operations was very probably the final straw for GuySuCo as allegations surfaced that he disregarded advice which would have seen him choosing a more reputable and experienced Indian firm at a lower cost.  Plans to address the corporation’s diversification were dragged out and yielded little up until the PPP’s exit in 2015 when the corporation required financial support from taxpayers.  Although the current administration has recently committed to not shutting down its operations, the corporation’s future remains in question as many workers’ issues remain unresolved.
  2. The PPP’s embrace of corruption reached such proportions that it creeped into the major organizations overseeing the operations of the rice sector. Allegations were made of payments being made to select supporters while many other rice farmers were placed in financial difficulties as they were underpaid for their produce, or payments were delayed inordinate amounts of time.
  3. The PPP administration demonstrated disdain and disregard for both public and private sector workers from 1999 onwards, neglecting to recognize that many of Guyana’s workers suffered tremendously as a result of the policy reforms which were a result of the economic transformation that was effected to address Guyana’s economic crisis coming out of the 1980s. Even after the first fifteen years in office, the PPP administration consistently handed out annual increases of the order of 5 per cent to public servants.  Govern-ment’s wages policies heavily influenced that of the private sector so that today, much of Guyana’s work force get by on depressed wages.
  4. A declared socialist based party, the PPP from its early years in office frustrated investment prospects which could have done much to reduce unemployment levels, raise incomes and potentially raise Guyana’s status internationally. The fruits of its efforts in this direction were brought to bear as Guyana’s economic growth averaged 0.6 per cent from 1999 when Mr. Jagdeo took office to 2004, the year prior to the flood. A memorable instance was that of a Malaysian company, where that company’s machinery was left so long uncleared by the GRA that decay set in and the company threatened to withdraw from the country.
  5. Many of the so-called foreign direct investment schemes during the PPP’s terms were in fact dressing to quell claims by the opposition that the PPP government was not doing enough to attract investment, stimulate economic growth and address our crucial unemployment issues. The investment in Linden yielded little or nothing for the town and Guyana.  The highly touted Bai Shan Lin venture was subject to claims of corruption which included undervaluing of exports and massive duty waivers, which in total amounted to an abuse of Guyana’s resources by this company.
  6. Petty corruption on a massive scale became part and parcel of government operations as businesses and private individuals were routinely placed over a barrel to have their imports processed and many other government services provided.
  7. The press has documented instances of allegations of the PPP’s involvement with, and solicitation of the services of individuals linked to narcotics and crime. This practice along with the administration’s record on corruption effectively put a damper on investment in Guyana.   International organizations had also made claims of the government facilitating money laundering and narcotics activity, which exacerbated negative perceptions about Guyana internationally.
  8. A few of the PPP’s ministers had gone beyond the law, but had never been brought to justice. This disregard and abuse of our laws by the PPP is one of the bigger issues which stands against the PPP ever returning to office.
  9. The PPP sought to dominate the media by rationing its advertisements in the press. To widen its influence on the public domain it made selective issuances of radio licences to a number of its supporters.  The local media, particularly Channel 6, endured intimidation as the station continually embarrassed the government on numerous issues.
  10. Finally, the PPP’s penchant for misusing taxpayers’ money is very probably unsurpassed and unmatched in the Caribbean region, from the misuse of NIS funds to build the Berbice bridge, which now costs so much as to make travel for some prohibitive, to the Marriott fiasco which needs no further disclosure here.

These are the main issues the supporters of the PPP need to consider before throwing their weight behind the PPP again.  Because if the PPP were ever allowed back into office again, it is an almost certainty that they will pick up exactly where they left off.

Yours faithfully,

Craig Sylvester

Django
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

FM

NOTICE: ALL PPP SUPPORTERS,

Please...no hurling of insults towards Django,send um to Criag Sylvester.

Thinking about the homeland,I man giving up,for now will just go with the flow.

Django
Last edited by Django

PM picketed by PPP/C supporters at Berbice school graduations

Source

Nov.9,2017

Django
Django posted:

Supporters of the PPP should examine options for starting an alternative party.

Source

November 9,2017

Dear Editor,

Mr. Jagdeo and the PPP have been making a lot of public noise recently as they try to capitalize on some of the coalition’s mishandling of a number of major issues.  While the Coalition has indeed provided ample reason to question their government, supporters of the PPP should also remember that the PPP failed Guyanese on a number of crucial areas while seeming to take advantage of their supporters’ own allegiance.  Some of the issues we would do well to remember, and why also the supporters of the PPP should reconsider their support for their party and examine options for starting an alternative party are:

  1. Under the PPP administration GuySuCo’s profitability eroded during the last 10 years of its government, jeopardizing the welfare of sugar workers. Although this was partly due to the reduction in prices offered for sugar by the EU, Mr. Jagdeo’s personal involvement in the decision to sink US$200 million into the Skeldon operations was very probably the final straw for GuySuCo as allegations surfaced that he disregarded advice which would have seen him choosing a more reputable and experienced Indian firm at a lower cost.  Plans to address the corporation’s diversification were dragged out and yielded little up until the PPP’s exit in 2015 when the corporation required financial support from taxpayers.  Although the current administration has recently committed to not shutting down its operations, the corporation’s future remains in question as many workers’ issues remain unresolved.
  2. The PPP’s embrace of corruption reached such proportions that it creeped into the major organizations overseeing the operations of the rice sector. Allegations were made of payments being made to select supporters while many other rice farmers were placed in financial difficulties as they were underpaid for their produce, or payments were delayed inordinate amounts of time.
  3. The PPP administration demonstrated disdain and disregard for both public and private sector workers from 1999 onwards, neglecting to recognize that many of Guyana’s workers suffered tremendously as a result of the policy reforms which were a result of the economic transformation that was effected to address Guyana’s economic crisis coming out of the 1980s. Even after the first fifteen years in office, the PPP administration consistently handed out annual increases of the order of 5 per cent to public servants.  Govern-ment’s wages policies heavily influenced that of the private sector so that today, much of Guyana’s work force get by on depressed wages.
  4. A declared socialist based party, the PPP from its early years in office frustrated investment prospects which could have done much to reduce unemployment levels, raise incomes and potentially raise Guyana’s status internationally. The fruits of its efforts in this direction were brought to bear as Guyana’s economic growth averaged 0.6 per cent from 1999 when Mr. Jagdeo took office to 2004, the year prior to the flood. A memorable instance was that of a Malaysian company, where that company’s machinery was left so long uncleared by the GRA that decay set in and the company threatened to withdraw from the country.
  5. Many of the so-called foreign direct investment schemes during the PPP’s terms were in fact dressing to quell claims by the opposition that the PPP government was not doing enough to attract investment, stimulate economic growth and address our crucial unemployment issues. The investment in Linden yielded little or nothing for the town and Guyana.  The highly touted Bai Shan Lin venture was subject to claims of corruption which included undervaluing of exports and massive duty waivers, which in total amounted to an abuse of Guyana’s resources by this company.
  6. Petty corruption on a massive scale became part and parcel of government operations as businesses and private individuals were routinely placed over a barrel to have their imports processed and many other government services provided.
  7. The press has documented instances of allegations of the PPP’s involvement with, and solicitation of the services of individuals linked to narcotics and crime. This practice along with the administration’s record on corruption effectively put a damper on investment in Guyana.   International organizations had also made claims of the government facilitating money laundering and narcotics activity, which exacerbated negative perceptions about Guyana internationally.
  8. A few of the PPP’s ministers had gone beyond the law, but had never been brought to justice. This disregard and abuse of our laws by the PPP is one of the bigger issues which stands against the PPP ever returning to office.
  9. The PPP sought to dominate the media by rationing its advertisements in the press. To widen its influence on the public domain it made selective issuances of radio licences to a number of its supporters.  The local media, particularly Channel 6, endured intimidation as the station continually embarrassed the government on numerous issues.
  10. Finally, the PPP’s penchant for misusing taxpayers’ money is very probably unsurpassed and unmatched in the Caribbean region, from the misuse of NIS funds to build the Berbice bridge, which now costs so much as to make travel for some prohibitive, to the Marriott fiasco which needs no further disclosure here.

These are the main issues the supporters of the PPP need to consider before throwing their weight behind the PPP again.  Because if the PPP were ever allowed back into office again, it is an almost certainty that they will pick up exactly where they left off.

Yours faithfully,

Craig Sylvester

Hey Django, you and Craig can haul y'all behinds. Y'all want to 'devide' the PPP but we the people will multiply membership and stand united.

FM
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

Who are you?

Gilly is Django chota bhai.

That's enough for you.

FM
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Django posted:

PM picketed by PPP/C supporters at Berbice school graduations

Source

Nov.9,2017

this is all the collie people jagdeo can pay come on guys from GNI haul your ass in guyana and help your mouth cannot do it here

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

Who are you?

Gilly is Django chota bhai.

That's enough for you.

Rass , understand if you don’t want to identify yourself . I asked, cause I know Shaw personally .. and seeing your association with PPP , was trying to fit the puzzle .

knowing the books you read .. I can read between the lines . I was train by Beast

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Supporters of the PPP should examine options for starting an alternative party.

Source

November 9,2017

 

Craig Sylvester

Hey Django, you and Craig can haul y'all behinds. Y'all want to 'devide' the PPP but we the people will multiply membership and stand united.

Change the leader!! membership will increase by umpteen folds.

Django
 

Supporters of the PPP should examine options for starting an alternative party.

Source

November 9,2017

Dear Editor,

Mr. Jagdeo and the PPP have been making a lot of public noise recently as they try to capitalize on some of the coalition’s mishandling of a number of major issues.  While the Coalition has indeed provided ample reason to question their government, supporters of the PPP should also remember that the PPP failed Guyanese on a number of crucial areas while seeming to take advantage of their supporters’ own allegiance.  Some of the issues we would do well to remember, and why also the supporters of the PPP should reconsider their support for their party and examine options for starting an alternative party... 

Yours faithfully,

Craig Sylvester

Yesterday, Trump, hoping to get Democratic support for the new tax plan told 5 Democratic leaders that his accountant told him that his taxes will get killed by the new tax plan. Looks like Craig Sylvester is pursuing the same con. Apparently he is worried by an intact and unified PPP. 

FM
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Madam,why are you giving out hints about people info ?

Django
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Django
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Frank Anthony is from Enmore.  

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Frank Anthony is from Enmore.  

Suh you telling to make connection with Frank, maybe i can get info to connect with my old friend.

Django
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Frank Anthony is from Enmore.  

you have your information wrong 

FM

The PPP need to rebrand them self if they hope to win the next election and stand out against the PNC.

jagdeo need a back seat... provide guidance ... but not a dictator attitude .

lets be real .... should guyana be divide  between Indian and blacks . Majority of Indians  would not want Jagdeo as their leader .

jagdeo pushing his ass on the front line like Indian saviour is doing harm to the ppp currently , but he appear as the “king “because Indians and a section of other races have no other political party to turn to.

should he stop been selfish , he should bring Nigel Hudge as the presidential candidate and Frank Anthony as the Prime Minister . Nigel would have protesters every night at Gecom office . 

PNC is not afraid of PPP .

The pack of idiots jagdeo has around him needs to go. You don’t curse the hand that feeds you ... they after the US at every opportunity .

with a rebrand of PPP , it will be seen as a people’s party , and that’s what Guyanese want ... no division .

 

 

 

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Know a few people , was me hangout area 

FM
warrior posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Dave posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Since PNC hijacked  AFC

And since  PNC hijacked   APNU

And  since  PNC hijacked  GECOM Chair

Therefore  PNC will  hijack 2020 voting.

SIMPLE  ARITHMETIC

 

Gilly ... are you Mamood Shaw 

No. Mamood Shaw is from Dundee, Mahaicony.  Gilly is not from deh.

Shaw from Enmore

Bhai,you know people from Enmore,i am trying to connect with an old friend,can you help?

Frank Anthony is from Enmore.  

you have your information wrong 

Nope , I know where Shaw is living . Shaw Son in law is from dundee

FM

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

FM
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Dave posted:

The PPP need to rebrand them self if they hope to win the next election and stand out against the PNC.

jagdeo need a back seat... provide guidance ... but not a dictator attitude .

lets be real .... should guyana be divide  between Indian and blacks . Majority of Indians  would not want Jagdeo as their leader .

jagdeo pushing his ass on the front line like Indian saviour is doing harm to the ppp currently , but he appear as the “king “because Indians and a section of other races have no other political party to turn to.

should he stop been selfish , he should bring Nigel Hudge as the presidential candidate and Frank Anthony as the Prime Minister . Nigel would have protesters every night at Gecom office . 

PNC is not afraid of PPP .

The pack of idiots jagdeo has around him needs to go. You don’t curse the hand that feeds you ... they after the US at every opportunity .

with a rebrand of PPP , it will be seen as a people’s party , and that’s what Guyanese want ... no division .

 

 

 

this is positive or indians and guyana going through a next 28 yrs  

FM
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

well well we reaching common grounds i am scare 

FM
warrior posted:
Dave posted:

The PPP need to rebrand them self if they hope to win the next election and stand out against the PNC.

jagdeo need a back seat... provide guidance ... but not a dictator attitude .

lets be real .... should guyana be divide  between Indian and blacks . Majority of Indians  would not want Jagdeo as their leader .

jagdeo pushing his ass on the front line like Indian saviour is doing harm to the ppp currently , but he appear as the “king “because Indians and a section of other races have no other political party to turn to.

should he stop been selfish , he should bring Nigel Hudge as the presidential candidate and Frank Anthony as the Prime Minister . Nigel would have protesters every night at Gecom office . 

PNC is not afraid of PPP .

The pack of idiots jagdeo has around him needs to go. You don’t curse the hand that feeds you ... they after the US at every opportunity .

with a rebrand of PPP , it will be seen as a people’s party , and that’s what Guyanese want ... no division .

 

 

 

this is positive or indians and guyana going through a next 28 yrs  

Absolutely , Only Indian businessmen will be rich , the majority of Indians will continue to suffer and they will blame PNC and not seeing is Jagdeo suppressing their livelihood .

FM
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

FM
Dave posted:
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

time to educate the people start the program jagdeo is bad news

 

FM
Dave posted:
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

Well, Not quite that way. Political maturity has to be displayed. The last thing is to see the PPP putting forward a divided house, the PNC and critics will pounce on that.

The executives at FreeDumb House needs to be put on notice that it is time to end this emotional attachment to a particular politician and that it is time for rebranding and a new leader.

Failing that, then the grassroots can take on FreeDumb House.

It has to be done intelligently. An overthrow at FreeDumb House might be required. The process has to start soon.

FM
yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

Well, Not quite that way. Political maturity has to be displayed. The last thing is to see the PPP putting forward a divided house, the PNC and critics will pounce on that.

The executives at FreeDumb House needs to be put on notice that it is time to end this emotional attachment to a particular politician and that it is time for rebranding and a new leader.

Failing that, then the grassroots can take on FreeDumb House.

It has to be done intelligently. An overthrow at FreeDumb House might be required. The process has to start soon.

affirmative action guyana need this do not wait until its too late 

FM

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Z
cain posted:
Mitwah posted:

What happened to the "C" section of the PPP?

They were cut out.

The Civic section of the PPP has members-at-large plus MPs in the past and current governments.

FM
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

S
Zed posted:

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

 

I agree with you. Django is getting Machiavellian and crafty for an "independent" poster. I notice he has become a proficient peddler of red herring. Gilly is guilty of buying some from him but I will be alert next time and call him out.

Thanks for your criticism.

FM
seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

Django
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seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

Should Rumjat and Naga resign...which  the PNC is hoping for , granger has the authority to put anyone in position.

this part of the constitution was change by the ppp , and of course pnc couldn’t wait for such an opportunity .

the ppp again at their stupidness trying to be nice boy .

FM
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Zed , I am suprise Gill the most talented with ppp policy didn’t address this .

the people do not elect ppp leader .

firstly , there is party group meeting , these are the grass root . They would hear what the people say in regards to who they want has leader and relate to the regional group .

the regional group then present their case to the regional council group . At this group, they would elect the party leader or make any changes to ppp policy , however, not because a leader has majority votes mean the council body will elect him . They put who they want .

thats why naga and Ralf was pissed of and left the party . When ramotar was elected , he was not the person but ramkaran should be there . 

The party regional council is highjack by Jagdeo and ramotar 

a point to note ... Ramkaran don’t mix and interact with the grass root ... this was his biggest down fall .

FM

During Dr Jagan time , he always say ppp is not a Indian party , but we have some mudhead who believe the majority in the country is Indians and they will be in government for life . 

They ignore their grass root and did more development in Afro neighbourhood and left the development of Indian village to raise funds for a better lively hood .

At this stage is when ppp boys become over nite contractors ... history speaks for it self now .

guyana don’t need division , it’s not one race in the bloody country . 

FM
Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

FM

Granger has already created an atmosphere of severe division in the society. I can see major protests demanding free elections and violence perpetrated at the leaders of the main opposition and its supporters.  Amerindians will not be spared if they don't comply with the orders of APNU. Remember, people did not have to vote for the PNC to win in elections from 68 to 85.  The electoral machine was in control of the PNC and it is back in the hands of them again. God Help Guyana!

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Granger has already created an atmosphere of severe division in the society. I can see major protests demanding free elections and violence perpetrated at the leaders of the main opposition and its supporters.  Amerindians will not be spared if they don't comply with the orders of APNU. Remember, people did not have to vote for the PNC to win in elections from 68 to 85.  The electoral machine was in control of the PNC and it is back in the hands of them again. God Help Guyana!

Why put the blame only at granger feet .  The PPP is to blame for granger to be in office . Let’s not put a particular race to the problems . 

PPP insult the Americans and they should never do so and they continue to do the same .

They insult their diehard supporters . Nagamootoo and Ralf did not want to leave the party the fought for . Ralf did the gentle man thing and didn’t support AFC . Naga was bitter and he supports AFC. 

The ppp is responsible for the formation of AFC

Jagdeo belief he has the solution to the country problems , where is he today . He spends more time hugging and kissing up in the street now as oppose to when he was in government . Don’t get me wrong , I have nothing personal against the man , he is a charismatic leader as oppose to granger .( I was at his weeding ). 

there is bitterness in people as to how he runs the country .  

 

 

FM
Dave posted:

 Don’t get me wrong , I have nothing personal against the man , he is a charismatic leader as oppose to granger .( I was at his weeding )

Suh you gave your blessings to the fake wedding.

Django
Gilbakka posted:
Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

When Dr.Jagan offered him a portfolio in 1992 he also refused. Dr.Jagan wanted to assign him constitutional reform duties. At that time he was also doing well on his own with many lucrative deals with overseas entities. 

comrade
Django posted:
seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

Black ppl started it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

S
comrade posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

When Dr.Jagan offered him a portfolio in 1992 he also refused. Dr.Jagan wanted to assign him constitutional reform duties. At that time he was also doing well on his own with many lucrative deals with overseas entities. 

He was a PNC operative making tons of money on Hoyte's ERP.

S
Django posted:
Dave posted:

 Don’t get me wrong , I have nothing personal against the man , he is a charismatic leader as oppose to granger .( I was at his weeding )

Suh you gave your blessings to the fake wedding.

I wouldn’t say his marriage was fake , that’s speculation . 

I knew his father in law ( who was a dedicated ppp would show up at freedom house and openly insult them for the crap they were dong... this didn’t go well with Jagdeo and the executive committee . 

Jagdeo big sister was also living at state house and she was a wedge between the couple... he listen to his sister .

PPP don’t like to be critize , you’re thrown to the curb. You are quickly lable a cut throat .

FM
seignet posted:
Django posted:
seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

Black ppl started it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

A black person in position would take a small piece to help you , but Indians demand half of your profit .

they would calculate your profit and tell you .... their wife would show up at your home for the $ 

a black man would step in and protect a Indian , but Indians ... not so 

FM

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Z

Regardless of all the posts about the PPP, we still have the AFC being taken over by the PNC oligarchy and the liars Moses and RAmjattan, who were conned by Trottman, hanging on for dear dollar, building their pension plan. They cannot release themselves from the tiger because they are scared that they will be eaten.

Z
Zed posted:

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Zed , everything I wrote is from personal experience . Had businesses in Guyana and still do . Most Indian business man hire the black as security guard.

We use a black person to deposit our money into the bank - never had a problem . 

Payoff is from personal experience .

i also had terrible experience at the hands of black , scar that is on my body and will be there for life . I also had bad experience at the hands of our kind ... but they are more gentle in robbing you .

i am sure everyone on this forum would have a experience to tell .

FM
Zed posted:

Regardless of all the posts about the PPP, we still have the AFC being taken over by the PNC oligarchy and the liars Moses and RAmjattan, who were conned by Trottman, hanging on for dear dollar, building their pension plan. They cannot release themselves from the tiger because they are scared that they will be eaten.

We all knew this would happen to AFC. Mosses and Rumjat have no choice now . They are in position for the money . Moses knew what PNC did to UF ... he struggle with the ppp but he was bitter what the executive did to him  and decide to screw the PPP. 

Moses did illegal stuff in his younger days with the ppp and a internal investigation was done . A decision was made to fire him, but Dr. Jagan kept him ... Janet want him to go . Hope this provide the answer why she pass the mantel to Jagdeo .

FM

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

FM
Gilbakka posted:

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A promise by the APNU+AFC coalition of rapid constitutional reform within months of taking office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

 

SOURCE = Stabroek News

And those who oppose Granger's unilateral action as he exercise LEGALLY his rights in an ILLEGAL constitution should focus on this.

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

FM
seignet posted:
it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

Black people cannot even agree about who is or isn't black and here you babble about us being not individualistic?  The most individualistic people on this planet are blacks.  When a black succeeds its not because anyone helps him. We succeed or fail on our own.

 

Indians will be Indians and can only be Indians and will see life through Indian eyes.  A look at GNI is evidence of that.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

The Civic section of the PPP has members-at-large plus MPs in the past and current governments.

The Civic was Cheddi's Bantustan to ensure that black "allies" would never have any real input into the PPP. Luncheon is the only influential black within the PPP.

FM
Dave posted:
 

Absolutely , Only Indian businessmen will be rich , the majority of Indians will continue to suffer and they will blame PNC and not seeing is Jagdeo suppressing their livelihood .

Yes many running off to the islands after 2000, quite a few becoming semi slaves, and yet they will still rush and kiss Jagdeo's toes and cheer when he babbles about the "coolie people party".

At least blacks have the sense to loudly complain about the fact that Granger is ignoring them.  No kissing of Granger's rear from them.

FM
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

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A promise by the APNU+AFC coalition of rapid constitutional reform within months of taking office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

 

SOURCE = Stabroek News

And those who oppose Granger's unilateral action as he exercise LEGALLY his rights in an ILLEGAL constitution should focus on this.

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

So go and celebrate Burnham's constitution then.  Don't wail about how he got it through blatant rigging, boasting of massive voter turnout in G/T and winning in Region 6.

I can understand why you agree with Jagdeo that the constitution is wonderful.  Just the wrong person given unlimited power.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Bibi Haniffa
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

Long-winded and short-tempered reply.

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

As political parties in Guyana go these days, ALL are corrupt and racist. PPP, PNC, and even the AFC which comprises ex-PNC and ex-PPP components. As reported in the news recently, the PNC faction has hijacked the AFC. 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

FM

I didn't have a chance to comment on this thread, but I need to opine on on the PNC/AFC relationship. There is no more AFC as we know it. But neither APNU or the AFC can stand solo against PPP in the next election. So, they will hold on to each other to win over the PPP. This may not be the wishes of Granger, but it's a strategic plan to win again. If APNU wins, we will see a new ballgame. Granger would have everything at his disposal to replace the PNC without the AFC and all smaller parties. That said, every member of AFC would be forced to join the PNC.                     

I don't believe AFC politicians wants to be out of jobs. If you listen carefully what Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are saying since they joined APNU, you would know they are speaking for their salary and comfort in the company of Granger over the needs of Guyanese. So, don't second guess if they're called upon. Let me add if the court ruled in favor of Patterson's unilateral appointment, that will give PNC the advantage of winning. Everything you see unfolding are all plans for PNC to stay in power.   

FM
Dave posted:
Zed posted:

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Zed , everything I wrote is from personal experience . Had businesses in Guyana and still do . Most Indian business man hire the black as security guard.

We use a black person to deposit our money into the bank - never had a problem . 

Payoff is from personal experience .

i also had terrible experience at the hands of black , scar that is on my body and will be there for life . I also had bad experience at the hands of our kind ... but they are more gentle in robbing you .

i am sure everyone on this forum would have a experience to tell .

Dave, thanks for sharing the info. I really appreciate it.

Z
caribny posted:
seignet posted:
it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

Black people cannot even agree about who is or isn't black and here you babble about us being not individualistic?  The most individualistic people on this planet are blacks.  When a black succeeds its not because anyone helps him. We succeed or fail on our own.

 

Indians will be Indians and can only be Indians and will see life through Indian eyes.  A look at GNI is evidence of that.

 

I agree that black people cannot agree who is and is not black. I vaguely remember when I came on this site and said that I was black, you wanted to know why I was lying about this.

The same applies to Afro Guyanese. They will see life and issues through Afro-Guyanese eyes. This is not novel. It is a result of people's cognitive structure.

Z
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

The Civic section of the PPP has members-at-large plus MPs in the past and current governments.

The Civic was Cheddi's Bantustan to ensure that black "allies" would never have any real input into the PPP. Luncheon is the only influential black within the PPP.

Is that similar to PNC reform, the APNU and the AFC-APNU coalition? 

It is your narrative that Afro Guyanese in the PPP are puppets but what of the Indo Guyanese in the PNC or in rhe present coalition. Do they really have real power? This is all debatable  Just the narrative you want to propagate. 

Z
caribny posted:
Dave posted:
 

Absolutely , Only Indian businessmen will be rich , the majority of Indians will continue to suffer and they will blame PNC and not seeing is Jagdeo suppressing their livelihood .

Yes many running off to the islands after 2000, quite a few becoming semi slaves, and yet they will still rush and kiss Jagdeo's toes and cheer when he babbles about the "coolie people party".

At least blacks have the sense to loudly complain about the fact that Granger is ignoring them.  No kissing of Granger's rear from them.

What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life. Is that why many iof us and you moved from Guyana. You do know that there are push and pull factors and that it is poor scholarship to attitribite human action or complex social dynamics to one reason or dimension.

Z
Gilbakka posted:
 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

The PPP only has use for black tokens and goons like the House of Israel crew who they coopted.  Some of the same ones who bashed in their  PPP  heads, and killed WPA supporters during the Burnham era, yet they gladly coopted those savages now.

I will suggest to you that the PPP has no more use for independent blacks than does the PNC have for independent Indians, so I don't know why you raise that nonsense when my focus is to change the co0nstitution so that the devastating instincts of BOTH Granger and Jagdeo (both Burnham admirers) can be contained.

Moses campaigned on the basis of telling Indians that if the PNC didn't behave that he would use his seats in parliament to take them out of office.

I spoke lengthily about that tactic and how it would backfire because it alarmed black/mixed voters.

Did you see what they saw. An Indian threatening to hold them to ransom and bring back an Indian dictatorship that placed blacks in a horrendous condition if he didn't get his wishes. DAILY I warn people that Guyana has TWO narratives of ethnic insecurity and victimhood. DAILY you and the rest of your crowd give validity ONLY to the Indian side, then you want to know why blacks don't trust you all.

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

FM
Zed posted:
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What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life.

Except that the "better" life eluded many of the PPP supporters who fled to Barbados and Trinidad where the locals saw them as impoverished people who deserved to be exploited.

FM

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals. Look at those who have been on the street demonstrate their support for Granger and exposing their private parts. Where is your objective evidence that some part of his base support has turned against him? Where is the mass demonstration against the 50 percent raise, the imposed salary increases for public servants, the eviction of the squatters from the banks of the canal and from Sophia., the slow down in the economy, no jobs for youths, the broken promise of inquiry of the many murdered Afro Guyanese, etc?

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Z
Zed posted:

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals.

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So where are these huge crowds of blacks cheering on Granger?  I don't see them.

Of course some racist takes a video of a few stupid boys and suddenly this becomes black people.  And you with your biased opinion of blacks quickly salivates and swallows this.

The dominant view of the PNC support base is that they voted for change, not exchange.  That they remain unimpressed with what they see.  They want to know why all these old people appointed. The vendors were very angry when they were displaced.  Linden frequently expresses their skepticism of Granger, to the point where he hardly even goes there even though that should be the most densely PNC area in Guyana.

And in fact this has been expressed by the PPP crowd as they seek to find evidence that Granger has lost the support of his base.  This is why Jagdeo thinks that he can go to Linden.  When Jagdeo went to Linden where were the defiant crowds chasing him out?  He went there and they went about their usual business.

 

FM
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caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Z

I also suggest that you look at the last LGE. Make note of the numbers of INDEPENDENT groups which emerged in PNC strongholds.  In fact Kwakwani is now run by these groups, NOT APNU!

Didn't notice any independent groups in PPP strongholds.

FM
Zed posted:
 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Funny thing. Jagdeo cannot do a thing to change Granger's mind as he did NOT incorporate the Carter formula into the constitution when he had the ability to do so.  Yet here he is wailing, so he could have certainly attempted to embed the Carter formula into the constitution to remove the ability of a president to act unilaterally.

At the time when the PNC had lost confidence of its ability to ever win another election they would in fact cooperated with him if he had wanted to do this.

Jagdeo did NOT even try to make a marginal amendment to the constitution because he did NOT want to lose the right to act unilaterally if the PNC sent nominees who he didn't like.

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

So go and celebrate Burnham's constitution then.  Don't wail about how he got it through blatant rigging, boasting of massive voter turnout in G/T and winning in Region 6.

I can understand why you agree with Jagdeo that the constitution is wonderful.  Just the wrong person given unlimited power.

I do not think that anyone is saying that the present constitution is wonderful. It is what we currently have and dictates how things are done. Changing the constitution is not an easy task as the present and past governments have found out (the exception being the PNC dictatorship,which rigged elections and the referendum) It is what must be followed until a concesus  is arrived at in terms of what the aspirations of the people of Guyana are and how  those are codified in the constitution. The courts are final arbiter when it comes to the interpretation of the constitution, not a president who has no legal training.

Z

The constitution is a static document that sets parameters as to what the various actors are allowed to do and obligated to do.  The Carter formula is NOT in the constitution.  The mere fact that it was used by prior regimes does NOT obligate Granger to follow suit.

All Granger has to adhere to is the constitution which allows him to act unilaterally if HE as the president doesn't think that the list includes people who he considers to be reasonable.

Given the obvious flaws in the constitution and the fact that Jagdeo has NO interest in changing it, makes it interesting how ethnic insecurities can allow him to have his way.

Jagdeo is saying NOTHING about the fact that APNU/AFC promised to prioritize a revision of the constitution and to date has clearly been dragging its feet.  Jagdeo says NOTHING on this because Jagdeo loves the degree to which this Burnham concocted rag centralizes power around the president and puts that person above the law.

But continue to be a Jagdeo tool.

FM
Dave posted:

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Dave, I take a different approach to things, I am involved in some charitable and development work here but I have never gone to any of the ministers or government officials, the ppp or the coalition  to ask for tax concessions or any help To carry out our objectives. We factor in all the costs and it is less headache and no ass kissing.

Z
Zed posted:
 

I do not think that anyone is saying that the present constitution is wonderful.

So given that this whole incident has shown how flawed the constitution is why is the screaming about the fact that Granger didn't follow precedent when the constitution doesn't insist that he is obligated to do so? Granger is NOT acting illegally.  The fact that the PPP is angry that he exercised his right under the constitution to act unilaterally should be enough to show why this document is flawed.

CHANGE the constitution!  That is what 100% of the focus ought to be.  2015 should be the last national election when thus constitution is in force.  Given that the next election is due within 3 years it should be a PRIORITY for those who want democracy to DEMAND that this be dealt with.

But as it is the PPP reneged on the 1992 promise and now APNU/AFC seem ready to do the same.  So we will have another election under this piece of Burnham dirty rags.

 

FM
caribny posted:
Zed posted:
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What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life.

Except that the "better" life eluded many of the PPP supporters who fled to Barbados and Trinidad where the locals saw them as impoverished people who deserved to be exploited.

Please post your source . Or is this just your narrative? Please post how you know it was just PPP supporters who moved tom Barbados and Trinidad. You spew hatred here without being able to validate. Much of what you post regarding this topic has no objective fact, and instead are postulates on your part that fit into your narrative.

Z
caribny posted:
Zed posted:

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals.

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So where are these huge crowds of blacks cheering on Granger?  I don't see them.

Of course some racist takes a video of a few stupid boys and suddenly this becomes black people.  And you with your biased opinion of blacks quickly salivates and swallows this.

The dominant view of the PNC support base is that they voted for change, not exchange.  That they remain unimpressed with what they see.  They want to know why all these old people appointed. The vendors were very angry when they were displaced.  Linden frequently expresses their skepticism of Granger, to the point where he hardly even goes there even though that should be the most densely PNC area in Guyana.

And in fact this has been expressed by the PPP crowd as they seek to find evidence that Granger has lost the support of his base.  This is why Jagdeo thinks that he can go to Linden.  When Jagdeo went to Linden where were the defiant crowds chasing him out?  He went there and they went about their usual business.

 

This is just conjecture on your part and have no objective basis. Yes, many are questioning what the coalition is doing, but I do not see the protesrpts by the working class, the students, the youths, the unemployed Afro Guyanese against the government. Granger is acting as if he knows that the Pnc supporters will not desert him regardless of how they feel about how the government is ruling. It is my opinion that Granger knows that no matter what he does, ahistorical support base, especially in Gt, Bartica and LInden will remain solid.

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Z
Zed posted:
 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

FM
Zed posted:
 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

FM
Zed posted:
Dave posted:

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Dave, I take a different approach to things, I am involved in some charitable and development work here but I have never gone to any of the ministers or government officials, the ppp or the coalition  to ask for tax concessions or any help To carry out our objectives. We factor in all the costs and it is less headache and no ass kissing.

Hats of to you Zed, keep up the good work my man .

God bless .

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

The PPP only has use for black tokens and goons like the House of Israel crew who they coopted.  Some of the same ones who bashed in their  PPP  heads, and killed WPA supporters during the Burnham era, yet they gladly coopted those savages now.

I will suggest to you that the PPP has no more use for independent blacks than does the PNC have for independent Indians, so I don't know why you raise that nonsense when my focus is to change the co0nstitution so that the devastating instincts of BOTH Granger and Jagdeo (both Burnham admirers) can be contained.

Moses campaigned on the basis of telling Indians that if the PNC didn't behave that he would use his seats in parliament to take them out of office.

I spoke lengthily about that tactic and how it would backfire because it alarmed black/mixed voters.

Did you see what they saw. An Indian threatening to hold them to ransom and bring back an Indian dictatorship that placed blacks in a horrendous condition if he didn't get his wishes. DAILY I warn people that Guyana has TWO narratives of ethnic insecurity and victimhood. DAILY you and the rest of your crowd give validity ONLY to the Indian side, then you want to know why blacks don't trust you all.

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

FM
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

Django
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caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Funny thing. Jagdeo cannot do a thing to change Granger's mind as he did NOT incorporate the Carter formula into the constitution when he had the ability to do so.  Yet here he is wailing, so he could have certainly attempted to embed the Carter formula into the constitution to remove the ability of a president to act unilaterally.

At the time when the PNC had lost confidence of its ability to ever win another election they would in fact cooperated with him if he had wanted to do this.

Jagdeo did NOT even try to make a marginal amendment to the constitution because he did NOT want to lose the right to act unilaterally if the PNC sent nominees who he didn't like.

You did not answer the question and went on to blame Jagdeo for not changing the constitution. Did not  Jagdeo make some changes to the constitution?

the other stuff about the PNc cooperating with him in changing the constitution is pure conjecture on your part. I would argue otherwise and we will have no way of knowing. Poor argument.

Z
caribny posted:

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Carib bai, as much as it seem like Indians would say that black man is lazy, etc (you know all the things you always list), when Indians support PPP, right or wrong, they will give reasons that the PPP are smart, decent, trustworthy, not crooked, etc. What reasons do blacks give for supporting the PNC?

FM
caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

Is it the forest or the trees? You said some instances. Many eimmigrants regardless of whether they are Guyanese, Latinos, Chinese, Easten European, etc face these conditions in the countries to which rpthey emigrated. Illegals faced word at times. This is not specific to Guyanese..Regardless of the conditions they faced when they emigrated, Guyanese eventually made their lives better. Look how well many of us did in spite of taking low paying jobs when we first emigrated and were trying to position ourselves to have a better life. 

Z
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

The difference Django is that neither him nor Ramotar moved to appoint a GECOM chairman not nominated by the Opposition. For 23 years the PPP failed to take the high handed approach Granger took on after being President for 2+ years. Guyanese have a binary choice and from all angles, the PNC are the worse option.

FM
caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

As I indicated, this is your narrative through your ethnic lens.

i cannot remember a Jagdeo saying that during the LGE, he had contested only ton East Indians. Please post your source. I thought that the PPP campaigned in all regions, including region 4, 1, 9. 

Obviously, you are not reading  the local newspapers or only using things that fit into your narrative because they report him meeting with members of the various communities that he visited and discussing issues and solutions. Additionally, you should commend him for being politically astute  for capitalizing on the weaknesses of his political opponents.

the same argument regarding racist political parties should be applied to the PNC because many East Indians and maybe the majority I'll argue, believe that the PNC, Granger are racists and that the AFC are quislings, and it would be disrespectful of them to argue otherwise.

Z
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

Z
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

Django
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Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Z

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Jagdeo intends to kick ur azz. 

S
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Every one knows Hoyte tenure as President,as a reminder it was 1985 to 1992,seven years,the PPP ruled from 1992 to 2015,twenty three yrs,the PPP are aware the Constitution gives to much power to the President,an attempt should have been made to change the Constitution,reducing that powers,which needed two thirds MP's votes,if the PNC abstained from voting,we would all agree they do not want changes.

Electoral laws amendments need majority vote,again the PPP made no attempt to make real changes.

The PPP had the time and power to change the Constitution,they could have held a referendum and let the Nation decides,no...they worships the illegal Burnham Constitution that was foisted on a nation.

The PNC have a tendency to rule with authoritarianism,the Constitution which was crafted by them give that power,the PPP know this,sit silently and hoping for compromise when matters of importance arises.

Granger used the powers given by the Constitution,now every one crying foul,there should be compromises,we were doing so and you should.

 Blamed the PPP and baby kong,the eogist for the predicament the nation have to endure.

Django
ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Django bai, that is the current Coalition government. They promised Guyanese that they will make it one of their first act of government. Instead, they spent the first year in government preparing for the jubilee celebration. Burnham created an insurmountable task with his wicked referendum which requires significant input from the opposition. For some strange reason, the Coalition thought that they can do it on their own so they promised to make it one of their first act of government. Now they need to put up.

But time is on their side. By the time the 2020 votes are 'certified', the PNC (not Coalition) will have secured almost all the votes casted. That will make it very easy for them to reform the constitution.

So we only have to put up with Burnham's wicked constitution for three more years. Granger is too decent to not take Guyanese to the promise land come 2020. 

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

You racist rectum not rest in peace until every Indian is out of Guyana. You would love to see them put on moco moco rafts and thrown in the Atlantic Ocean. You would rub your skin with dye, knack jhanj, wear dhoti and kurta, and serve mithai on the streets of Bronx.

FM
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Hey Djangy, I think your lil infant teacher Gilly missed this one.

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

FM
yuji22 posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Django
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

Dude,you are spewing nonsense.,don't try to rewrite history.

Jagdeo is a coward and a con,one of the reasons he welcomed the discarded PNC thugs in Freedom House.

What you are wishing for would be detrimental,let us hope better sense prevail.

Django
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

Dude,you are spewing nonsense.,don't try to rewrite history.

Jagdeo is a coward and a con,one of the reasons he welcomed the discarded PNC thugs in Freedom House.

What you are wishing for would be detrimental,let us hope better sense prevail.

Listen,

PPP had to put the PNC thugs in a Pen and they put them in a pen. Smart political move. Only you do not have the foresight to see that. That was an excellent strategy.

Jagdeo is the FIRST PPP leader who was man enough to give the PNC thugs belly wuk and I congratulate him for that. They are still reeling from the dose that Jagdeo dished out. They will never be able to recover from that medicine and as a result they are scared shyte to try their violence against Indos like they did in the past.

Jagdeo levelled the playing field and taught Indos not to take eye pass.

Only PNC apologists like you and Carib are bitter that Indos are no longer passive and will not take shyte from PNC thugs.

Man, when are you going to grow some ball* and stop kissing the PNC toes. Have you no self confidence ? Stand up for yourself and be a proud Indo for once.

You are displaying all of the traits of a few Indos who lost their self confidence after Burnham grind them down and they became passive and lacked self confidence.

Stand up and be like a strong Indo who will no longer take shyte from the PNC. Stop behaving like Carib's and Granger's sidekick.

FM
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yuji22 posted:

PPP had to put the PNC thugs in a Pen and they put them in a pen. Smart political move. Only you do not have the foresight to see that. That was an excellent strategy.

Jagdeo is the FIRST PPP leader who was man enough to give the PNC thugs belly wuk and I congratulate him for that. They are still reeling from the dose that Jagdeo dished out. They will never be able to recover from that medicine and as a result they are scared shyte to try their violence against Indos like they did in the past.

Jagdeo levelled the playing field and taught Indos not to take eye pass.

Only PNC apologists like you and Carib are bitter that Indos are no longer passive and will not take shyte from PNC thugs.

Man, when are you going to grow some ball* and stop kissing the PNC toes. Have you no self confidence ? Stand up for yourself and be a proud Indo for once.

You are displaying all of the traits of a few Indos who lost their self confidence after Burnham grind them down and they became passive and lacked self confidence.

Stand up and be like a strong Indo who will no longer take shyte from the PNC. Stop behaving like Carib's and Granger's sidekick.

You are

Django

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

Give the man a break, he doesn't know better. He just following instructions, just like the others ,now extinct AFC supporters.

K
yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

You  have the habit of copying what people says,try to be yourself rather than having to be braced up by other folks fork stick,

Let Django explain this to you,he never had a Government job,no need to be politically affiliated and suck up to no one,he chooses to work in the private sector for a while and eventually became his own boss.

Samjhe.

Django
kp posted:
yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

Give the man a break, he doesn't know better. He just following instructions, just like the others ,now extinct AFC supporters.

kp,i can envision you are a man of substance,don't be disappointing by following an empty barrel.

Django
Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Every one knows Hoyte tenure as President,as a reminder it was 1985 to 1992,seven years,the PPP ruled from 1992 to 2015,twenty three yrs,the PPP are aware the Constitution gives to much power to the President,an attempt should have been made to change the Constitution,reducing that powers,which needed two thirds MP's votes,if the PNC abstained from voting,we would all agree they do not want changes.

Electoral laws amendments need majority vote,again the PPP made no attempt to make real changes.

The PPP had the time and power to change the Constitution,they could have held a referendum and let the Nation decides,no...they worships the illegal Burnham Constitution that was foisted on a nation.

The PNC have a tendency to rule with authoritarianism,the Constitution which was crafted by them give that power,the PPP know this,sit silently and hoping for compromise when matters of importance arises.

Granger used the powers given by the Constitution,now every one crying foul,there should be compromises,we were doing so and you should.

 Blamed the PPP and baby kong,the eogist for the predicament the nation have to endure.

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

the constitution defines a process to be followed within the governing spirit and ideals This was reaffirmed by the Chief Justice . Why was this not followed. Why was it that this process worked since 1992, but now is suddenly thrown aside. Why has so many , not just PPP members, criticized the unilateral selection of the Chairman by Granger while you continue to defend it?

At least, the PPP changed some aspects of the constitution  something that your hero hoyte did not find the time to do. 

and, no. Blame the PNC dictator Burnham for the situation we currently experience. You seem to have a short memory if you cannot remember this basic fact.

Z
Zed posted:

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

The constitution could have been adjusted shortly before Hoyte succeeded Forbes Burnham.

There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

Burnham was to be president and Jagan to be Prime Minister.

However, after Hoyte became president, he completely ignored to continue with the agreement and pursued his path to govern Guyana.

FM

Zed,

I have mentioned the process for major and minor amendments,guess you missed it,the blame game of who is correct, who is wrong and who caused what,does not solve  issues facing the nation,change the law to reflect real Democracy,dump the Illegal Burnham Constitution,draft a new one.

Django
Demerara_Guy posted:
Zed posted:

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

The constitution could have been adjusted shortly before Hoyte succeeded Forbes Burnham.

There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

Burnham was to be president and Jagan to be Prime Minister.

However, after Hoyte became president, he completely ignored to continue with the agreement and pursued his path to govern Guyana.

Blessing in disguise,Guyana would have become a one Party State.

Django
Gilbakka posted:
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Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

Interesting. Jagdeo is using YOU to maintain the Burnham constitution and I am the racist.

Continue to be used. Naïve as you are you have failed to note that NOWHERE in Jagdeo's rants is he talking about holding Granger to account for his promise to change the constitution.

I see that the PPP plantation and Burnham's constitution sweets you.  

Listen don't cuss out Burnham again because you love the most heinous act that he inflicted on Guyana and that is a document which codified his desire to be held above the law.

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Let us discuss how Indians "fought" back.  The rich Indians paid black criminals to defend their interests. 

This while ordinary Indians were attacked by black and Indian criminals. Because at NO point within the last 25 years have I heard Indians claim that crime wasn't a serious problem in Guyana.

So how did the ordinary Indian "fight back"?

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

 

Can you describe how Indians "fought back". Using off duty black soldiers and policemen and black mercenaries for hire isn't "fighting back".

Is your idea of Indians "fighting back" when an Indian criminal hired black mercenaries to kill an Indian PPP minister because he was angry that the minister didn't allow him to "legally" export drugs disguised as timber exports?

Why were Berbicians screaming about crime as recently as 2014?  The only violence from Indians that I see is the increasing tendency for Indian criminals to target other Indians.

It is interesting that every time we see Indian criminals their victims are almost always Indians.

Yes Indians did learn to fight under Jagdeo.  Too bad their victims were almost always other Indians too poor to hire black mercenaries to protect them.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

 

There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

 

1. Hoyte  saw the damage that socialism had done to Guyana and had no interest in teaming up with a communist party.

2.  Jagan did NOT, as a condition for this unity government, insist that the constitution be changed. That fact shows that the PPP loves this Burnham constitution.  They just wanted to be sure that it would be a PPP president that would be above the law.

3. Had Burnham not died before the unity agreement was signed his death would have meant that Jagan would then replace him as president. Jagan knew fully well that Burnham was sick.  This is why he did NOT insist that the constitution be changed as he wanted to be a president above the law.

But Gilly being naïve and missing  his PPP fellow ethnics runs back to the plantation, indeed much as I expected him to.  He can scream that I am a racist all he likes but his lapping up to the constitution promulgated by a black dictators answers that.

FM
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caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

 There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

1. Hoyte  saw the damage that socialism had done to Guyana and had no interest in teaming up with a communist party.

2.  Jagan did NOT, as a condition for this unity government, insist that the constitution be changed. That fact shows that the PPP loves this Burnham constitution.  They just wanted to be sure that it would be a PPP president that would be above the law.

3. Had Burnham not died before the unity agreement was signed his death would have meant that Jagan would then replace him as president. Jagan knew fully well that Burnham was sick.  This is why he did NOT insist that the constitution be changed as he wanted to be a president above the law.

But Gilly being naïve and missing  his PPP fellow ethnics runs back to the plantation, indeed much as I expected him to.  He can scream that I am a racist all he likes but his lapping up to the constitution promulgated by a black dictators answers that.

Usual cobbled-up nonsense; wandering here, there and every way and completely unfocused on the issues.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

 There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

1. Hoyte  saw the damage that socialism had done to Guyana and had no interest in teaming up with a communist party.

2.  Jagan did NOT, as a condition for this unity government, insist that the constitution be changed. That fact shows that the PPP loves this Burnham constitution.  They just wanted to be sure that it would be a PPP president that would be above the law.

3. Had Burnham not died before the unity agreement was signed his death would have meant that Jagan would then replace him as president. Jagan knew fully well that Burnham was sick.  This is why he did NOT insist that the constitution be changed as he wanted to be a president above the law.

But Gilly being naïve and missing  his PPP fellow ethnics runs back to the plantation, indeed much as I expected him to.  He can scream that I am a racist all he likes but his lapping up to the constitution promulgated by a black dictators answers that.

Usual cobbled-up nonsense; wandering here, there and every way and completely unfocused on the issues.

You know what is interesting is that if you had evidence that I am wrong then you would furnish it to contradict.  You don't because all you have is FreeDUMB house propaganda and you know full well that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I went to visit that misery of a book shop that the PPP used to have in an era when the PNC was stifling access to information. To my shock and horror all I saw were news items praising the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR even as it still continued to condemn the USA activities in Vietnam, even though these had ended.   So please don't make yourself the idiot by screaming that Jagan wasn't a died in the wool Marxist Leninist tool of the vicious USSR.

Had this national unity occurred during the Cold War Jagan would have immediately made Guyana into Cuba II inviting all the sanctions that Cuban I was and is suffering from.

Thank God Burnham died and Hoyte ended that discussion!

FM

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caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

 There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

1. Hoyte  saw the damage that socialism had done to Guyana and had no interest in teaming up with a communist party.

2.  Jagan did NOT, as a condition for this unity government, insist that the constitution be changed. That fact shows that the PPP loves this Burnham constitution.  They just wanted to be sure that it would be a PPP president that would be above the law.

3. Had Burnham not died before the unity agreement was signed his death would have meant that Jagan would then replace him as president. Jagan knew fully well that Burnham was sick.  This is why he did NOT insist that the constitution be changed as he wanted to be a president above the law.

But Gilly being naïve and missing  his PPP fellow ethnics runs back to the plantation, indeed much as I expected him to.  He can scream that I am a racist all he likes but his lapping up to the constitution promulgated by a black dictators answers that.

Usual cobbled-up nonsense; wandering here, there and every way and completely unfocused on the issues.

You know what is interesting is that if you had evidence that I am wrong then you would furnish it to contradict.  You don't because all you have is FreeDUMB house propaganda and you know full well that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I went to visit that misery of a book shop that the PPP used to have in an era when the PNC was stifling access to information. To my shock and horror all I saw were news items praising the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR even as it still continued to condemn the USA activities in Vietnam, even though these had ended.   So please don't make yourself the idiot by screaming that Jagan wasn't a died in the wool Marxist Leninist tool of the vicious USSR.

Had this national unity occurred during the Cold War Jagan would have immediately made Guyana into Cuba II inviting all the sanctions that Cuban I was and is suffering from.

Thank God Burnham died and Hoyte ended that discussion!

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.

Yes of course. Nothing that can refute my comments so you resort to your inanities.

FACT. Cheddi and Janet were communists who revered the Kremlin and loved what Fidel Castro had done to Cuba.

FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

FACT.  They didn't because they LOVE it and in fact Jagdeo boasted that it was the most "advanced" in the Caribbean.

FM
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caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
 
There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away. 

1. Hoyte  saw the damage that socialism had done to Guyana and had no interest in teaming up with a communist party.

More make believe. Hoyte had to be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments. He did not do it on his own. He had 1985 to say that he will not be an election rigger like his hero Burnham but he didn't. Now you seek to rewrite history by your make believe that after Burnham died, Hoyte wanted nothing to do with Burnham and Jagan socialist ideas because he didn't like what it had done to Guyana. All indications were that Hoyte intended to continue operating just like Burnham did as evidenced by his rigging of the 1985 elections just mere months after Burnham died. But it wasn't to happen because he quickly dropped Guyana into insolvency.

When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later.

FM
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caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.


FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

Your statement of FACT is incorrect.

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

2. The major changes require, as a minimum, two-thirds of the MPs.

Of note ... when Burnham "miraculously" obtained more than two thirds of the MPs, that was when he prepared the initial constitution and included two-thirds criteria.

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed any intentions to work for the needed changes.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.


FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

Your statement of FACT is incorrect.

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

2. The major changes require, as a minimum, two-thirds of the MPs.

Of note ... when Burnham "miraculously" obtained more than two thirds of the MPs, that was when he prepared the initial constitution and included two-thirds criteria.

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed any intentions to work for the needed changes.

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Django
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caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
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Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

Interesting. Jagdeo is using YOU to maintain the Burnham constitution and I am the racist.

 

That is what you say. Luckily, what you say is never supported by evidence but is merely conjured in your racist mind. Jagdeo has nothing to do with what I write here. I repeat: you're frigging pissed that I stopped supporting dictator-in-making Granger and indicated that I will support the PPP. Stay bitter.

FM
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.


FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

Your statement of FACT is incorrect.

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

2. The major changes require, as a minimum, two-thirds of the MPs.

Of note ... when Burnham "miraculously" obtained more than two thirds of the MPs, that was when he prepared the initial constitution and included two-thirds criteria.

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed any intentions to work for the needed changes.

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Do the work/research to obtain your needed information.

Point 3. should be ... correction highlighted.

[[Quote]]

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed NO intentions to work for the needed changes.

[[Unquote]]

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.


FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

Your statement of FACT is incorrect.

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

2. The major changes require, as a minimum, two-thirds of the MPs.

Of note ... when Burnham "miraculously" obtained more than two thirds of the MPs, that was when he prepared the initial constitution and included two-thirds criteria.

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed any intentions to work for the needed changes.

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Do the work/research to obtain your needed information.

Point 3. should be ... correction highlighted.

[[Quote]]

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed NO intentions to work for the needed changes.

[[Unquote]]

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

Django
caribny posted:
 
 But Gilly being naïve and missing  his PPP fellow ethnics runs back to the plantation, indeed much as I expected him to.  He can scream that I am a racist all he likes but his lapping up to the constitution promulgated by a black dictators answers that.

Gilly has stated here more than once that the bloody Burnham constitution must be changed. Stop lying and keep your slavery vocabulary to yourself. Mark my words: a revamped constitution will not get the anti-Indian hatred out of your nasty racial system. 

FM
warrior posted:
Dave posted:
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

time to educate the people start the program jagdeo is bad news

 

Yall carriers frighten jagdeo bad bad. He must be one badass anti man. 

FM
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Do the work/research to obtain your needed information.

Point 3. should be ... correction highlighted.

[[Quote]]

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed NO intentions to work for the needed changes.

[[Unquote]]

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

Perhaps, it is focused approach to be wandering aimlessly and gleefully accepting all that are floating in the wind.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Do the work/research to obtain your needed information.

Point 3. should be ... correction highlighted.

[[Quote]]

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed NO intentions to work for the needed changes.

[[Unquote]]

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

Perhaps, it is focused approach to be wandering aimlessly and gleefully accepting all that are floating in the wind.

Impress your self.

Have a great evening.

Django
ksazma posted:
 

More make believe. Hoyte had to be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments.

Hoyte was bitch slapped to hold free elections. Even during the Burnham era he was not noted to support socialism which is why Hammie Green was angered when he was made president.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

 

And one "minor" change that the PPP could have done was to put the Carter formula into the constitution but they did NOT do so.

Do you really think that the PNC would have been angered if the PPP amended the constitution to allow Hoyte sole rights to determine who the GECOM chair would have been?

And do you really think that the PNC would have gone so far as to ensure a reasonable Indian who the PPP would find comfortable.

Don't you think that it flies in the face of what you know of Guyana for the PNC to select only Indians to be the GECOM chair?

The PNC knew full well that Jagdeo had the right to veto and act unilaterally and so did their best to minimize that risk.

And Jagdeo himself full well knows about this right to act unilaterally, but those of who trapped on the PPP slave plantation can fool yourselves!

FM
ksazma posted:

In fact were you not locked up in your Indo KKK cabin you would have known that when Burnham died Hammie Green had the muscle within the PNC and he and Viola Burnham were hardliners.  Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout. 

He was viewed as a technical and not a political minister and was far away from the hardline apparatus of the PNC. This being the YSM, the House of Israel (both Green controlled) and the WRSM controlled by Viola. She was adamant in not allowing Hoyte to "destroy" her husband's legacy by dismantling his socialist mess.

Please research how Hoyte arrested the House of Israel mobsters and how Janet freed them and invited them to join the PPP.  Those were Hammie Greene's muscle which is why Hoyte ridded the PNC of them as soon as he had the clout to do so. And when he had the clout he moved Guyana away from socialism and began to begin the process of privatization.  This was around 1989.  This when he was able to sideline the PNC hardliners and develop a more moderate constituency within the PNC apparatus.

I also suggest that you research the fact that Hoyte was called "Desi Persaud" by Hammie Green hardliners.

FM
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caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
 

More make believe. Hoyte had to be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments.

Hoyte was bitch slapped to hold free elections. Even during the Burnham era he was not noted to support socialism which is why Hammie Green was angered when he was made president.

Padnah, link reposted below in case you didn't see it. 

When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later.

Furthermore, Green was still the PNC Prime Minister when the PNC lost the only free and fair elections held under their watch. So you saying that Green was upset that Hoyte was made President in 1985 is more of your make believe fantasies.  Green was expelled from the PNC in 1993 because he was upset that the PNC lost the 1992 elections because the elections was free and fair. Neither Hoyte nor Green cared for a free and fair elections but Hoyte was forced by the IMF and WB to do so.

Bai, yuh don't get tired making stuff up. 

FM
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Agree with Djanjo, he move away from Burnham system, hence the confidence in people. Because of this stance , Hamilton Green and  some racist pnc was pushing back at him. He kick Green out the party . 

FM
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caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

And one "minor" change that the PPP could have done was to put the Carter formula into the constitution but they did NOT do so.

Do you really think that the PNC would have been angered if the PPP amended the constitution to allow Hoyte sole rights to determine who the GECOM chair would have been?

And do you really think that the PNC would have gone so far as to ensure a reasonable Indian who the PPP would find comfortable.

Don't you think that it flies in the face of what you know of Guyana for the PNC to select only Indians to be the GECOM chair?

The PNC knew full well that Jagdeo had the right to veto and act unilaterally and so did their best to minimize that risk.

And Jagdeo himself full well knows about this right to act unilaterally, but those of who trapped on the PPP slave plantation can fool yourselves!

Continued long-winded statements with no relevance to the topic.

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Agree with Djanjo, he move away from Burnham system, hence the confidence in people. Because of this stance , Hamilton Green and  some racist pnc was pushing back at him. He kick Green out the party . 

Hamiltoon Greene and supporters went nuts with rage when the PPP won in 1992, They called Hoyte a Sunday school boy.

Prashad
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Actually, I left Guyana for New York on Saturday, February 21, 1987. Still have my passport showing that date. At the time, we bought US$ for 18G$ on the black market. The exchange about a year later when we went back for my wedding was about 20G$. It was sometime in 1989 that the IMF hammer came down devaluing the GD$ to the point where the black market price was somewhere close to 200G$. Bank rate didn't matter because you couldn't go into a bank and buy FX. When we left in 1987, we were legally allowed to travel with a 25USD gift voucher. In New York, we had to deposit it as collections which means that the money was only going to be available after it was fully cleared. Couldn't even use outstanding balances as collateral for that. Even when I was there in early 1989, you couldn't buy FX at a bank. That ability only came after the 1992 elections when we were able to go into Scotia Bank and wire out the proceeds of our Prashad Nagar house that we sold in 1994. Hoyte does not get any credit for being bitchslapped by the IMF and WB into behaving in a decent manner. However, he does get credit for finally stop behaving like his arrogant predecessor. But after the 1992 elections, he went back to his old PNC hooliganism behavior with his "slo fiah, mo fiah" terroristic threats against the nation. For the record, I left Guyana in February 1987, spent part of December 1987, January and part of February 1988 there. Spent December 1988 and part of January 1989 there also. Went back in August 1992 for my sister's wedding and then again in the summer of 1994. My last trip to Guyana was in 1998. Didn't need to go back as the people most meaningful to me were no longer living in Guyana.

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Agree with Djanjo, he move away from Burnham system, hence the confidence in people. Because of this stance , Hamilton Green and  some racist pnc was pushing back at him. He kick Green out the party . 

The record shows that Green was the PM up to the PPP winning the elections in 1992. It was after the PNC was kicked out of office in 1992 that Green was upset that they lost BECAUSE Hoyte ran a free and fair elections (which he was bitchslapped to do by the IMF and WB). Even so, it wasn't until 1993 that Green was kicked out of the PNC party. By the time, neither he, Hoyte nor the PNC had anything worthwhile to hold on to. They had already ran Guyana into the grave.

FM
ksazma posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

Hoyte at the time lacked any pull within the PNC so had to mouth whatever pleased that faction until he was able to develop his own clout.

Bai Carib, Hoyte never got any stronger from where he started in 1985. He got progressively weaker by virtue of Guyana sinking into total desperation and bankruptcy coupled by the IMF and WB putting the screws on he and the PNC to hold free and fair elections. Remember also that his term lasted 7 years from 1985 to 1992 instead of a standard 5 years term. You are giving Hoyte too much credit. Especially after his sore loser "slo fiah mo fiah" mentality after 1992.

Kaz,

me thinks you left Guyana before 1985,the country did picked during 1985 to 1992,due uplifted restriction on imports and divestment of State Enterprises.The Guyana dollar still had some power,

The Guyana dollar was also systematically devalued; the exchange rate of $US1 in 1986 was G$4.37; in 1987 - G$10; 1989 - G$33; and 1990 - G$45. This process of devaluation was an essential feature of the ERP on the belief that it would destroy the parallel economy and also improve the country's export competitiveness.

Hoyte era was discussed here on GNI,as a refresher take a peek

here     http://www.guyana.org/features...dence/chapter18.html

Agree with Djanjo, he move away from Burnham system, hence the confidence in people. Because of this stance , Hamilton Green and  some racist pnc was pushing back at him. He kick Green out the party . 

The record shows that Green was the PM up to the PPP winning the elections in 1992. It was after the PNC was kicked out of office in 1992 that Green was upset that they lost BECAUSE Hoyte ran a free and fair elections (which he was bitchslapped to do by the IMF and WB). Even so, it wasn't until 1993 that Green was kicked out of the PNC party. By the time, neither he, Hoyte nor the PNC had anything worthwhile to hold on to. They had already ran Guyana into the grave.

You are correct ... if you recall it was Green who had mobilize his supporters ( black ) marching up south rd from Stabroek market (1992 )and they were on the verge of burning down GT . It was Carter who call on Hoyte to get his people (black) of the street . 

I have live through the turbulent times of PNC leadership and in opposition  and have experience first hand what black did to Indians.

was personally involve in helping a Indian girl with clothes after the goons strip her and she was running down Regent street . 

There is so much I can relate to , especially when I was personally    Involve and have suffer brutality at the hands of blacks . But, life goes on . You can forgive but NEVER forget.

i also witness blacks helping out Indians in times of need when Indians refused to provide a helping hand to their own .

racialism raises its ugly head during political campaign . 

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
 

More make believe. Hoyte had uto be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments.

Hoyte was bitch slapped to hold free elections. Even during the Burnham era he was not noted to support socialism which is why Hammie Green was angered when he was made president.

Padnah, link reposted below in case you didn't see it. 

When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later.

Furthermore, Green was still the PNC Prime Minister when the PNC lost the only free and fair elections held under their watch. So you saying that Green was upset that Hoyte was made President in 1985 is more of your make believe fantasies.  Green was expelled from the PNC in 1993 because he was upset that the PNC lost the 1992 elections because the elections was free and fair. Neither Hoyte nor Green cared for a free and fair elections but Hoyte was forced by the IMF and WB to do so.

Bai, yuh don't get tired making stuff up. 

Hamilton Green as Prime minister fought Hoyte every moment that he could. That is the reason why Hoyte needed Corbin, Joe Singh and Larry Lewis.

Prashad
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Prashad posted:
 

Hamilton Green as Prime minister fought Hoyte every moment that he could. That is the reason why Hoyte needed Corbin, Joe Singh and Larry Lewis.

There were two factions during Hoyte tenure,the Hamilton Green faction and the Desmond Hoyte faction,after the death of Burnham,in August 1984,Hammie was sidelined and Hoyte was selected to become Prime Minister.


http://www.guyana.org/special/...nd%20Hoyte%20Chapter

Hoyte was born in Georgetown on March 9, 1929 to Gladys Marietta Hoyte and George Alphonso Hoyte of Georgetown.He received his primary education at St Barnabas Anglican School and went to Progressive High School both in Georgetown.After leaving school in 1948, he began his career in the Civil Service. He was also a teacher and taught at home and subsequently outside of Guyana, at the Grenada Boys Secondary School.In 1950, Hoyte passed the external examinations and obtained a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of London.

Later, he proceeded to London to read law and in 1959, obtained the LLB degree from the University of London, completing his professional examinations the same year and was called to the Bar at the Honourable Society of Middle Temple.Hoyte returned to Guyana in 1960, entered private practice, and played an active role in the Guyana Bar Association, of which he was the Secretary for many years.

His legal career was marked with success, and in 1964, he became a member and Chairman of the Legal Practitioners Committee, the statutory body dealing with disciplinary matters related to the legal profession.

In 1966, he was appointed to the National Elections Commission.

From 1966-1968, Hoyte served as Chairman of the Customs Tariff Tribunal. In 1967 he was appointed Chairman of the Timber Grants Wages Council. The same year he was also elected Vice-President of the Guyana Bar Association.

In 1970, as a result of his successes and leadership at the Bar, he was appointed Queens Counsel (QC) and in 1970 when Guyana became a Republic, he was appointed to the new dignity of Senior Counsel (SC).

Hoyte was also actively involved in the Trade Union Movement, being Legal Advisor, from time to time, to the Guyana Trades Union Congress (TUC) and several other bargaining bodies.

He also represented the bargaining agencies at conciliations and arbitration proceedings and in wages and other negotiations.

Hoyte’s keen mind, academic prowess, and his sense of commitment to his country, all contributed to his election to Parliament in the People’s National Congress (PNC) government in 1968. This was the beginning of his active political involvement and his subsequent rise to prominence.

He held a number of key portfolios in the PNC. He was a member of the General Council since 1962, and became a member of the Central Executive Committee in 1972. He was also legal adviser to the General Secretary from 1973, and Chairman of the Production Sub-Committee of the Central Executive Committee in 1984.

As a Minister of the Government, he held the portfolios of Home Affairs Minister from 1969-1970; Finance Minister 1970-1972; Works and Communications Minister 1972-1974; and Economic Development 1974-1980.

In 1980 he was appointed Vice-President with responsibility for Economic Planning and Finance, and in 1983 he was re-designated Vice-President, Production.

In August 1984 he became Prime Minister and First Vice-President, a post, which he filled with dignity and a high level of political maturity projecting his indomitable will as well as his clear insights, on national and international issues.

The following year, he was appointed President of the Co-operative Republic of Guyana and PNC Leader on Tuesday August 6, 1985 after the death of President Forbes Burnham and less than six months after his two children died in a road accident on the Linden/Soesdyke Highway.

Literature and Historical Research were among his special interests. Hoyte also liked reading, music, swimming and walking.

He led the PNC to successive general election defeats in October 1992, December 1997, and March 2001.

Django
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Four paragraphs of continued nonsense and irrelevance.


FACT. Cheddi, Janet, Jagdeo and Ramotar did NOTHING to remove the Burnham constitution.

Your statement of FACT is incorrect.

1. Many minor changes were made to the constitution.

2. The major changes require, as a minimum, two-thirds of the MPs.

Of note ... when Burnham "miraculously" obtained more than two thirds of the MPs, that was when he prepared the initial constitution and included two-thirds criteria.

3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed any intentions to work for the needed changes.

What were the proposed changes can you  list them,specifically what were the changes, when the AFC  won seats in the parliament,dont't beat around the bush,show us.

Do the work/research to obtain your needed information.

Point 3. should be ... correction highlighted.

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3. When PNCR and AFC were the opposition, they showed NO intentions to work for the needed changes.

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An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

You better not stand downwind when he is pissing in the wind. You might get part of Freddie's potion. Try it, you might like it.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

You better not stand downwind when he is pissing in the wind. You might get part of Freddie's potion. Try it, you might like it.

You could not resist from backing your buddies,hitting below the belt.

Django
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
 

More make believe. Hoyte had to be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments.

Hoyte was bitch slapped to hold free elections. Even during the Burnham era he was not noted to support socialism which is why Hammie Green was angered when he was made president.

Padnah, link reposted below in case you didn't see it. 

When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later.

Furthermore, Green was still the PNC Prime Minister when the PNC lost the only free and fair elections held under their watch. So you saying that Green was upset that Hoyte was made President in 1985 is more of your make believe fantasies.  Green was expelled from the PNC in 1993 because he was upset that the PNC lost the 1992 elections because the elections was free and fair. Neither Hoyte nor Green cared for a free and fair elections but Hoyte was forced by the IMF and WB to do so.

Bai, yuh don't get tired making stuff up. 

Like I said you were locked in your Indo KKK cabin and so remain ignorant of the state of the PNC after Burnham's death.

Now everyone else knew that there were two PNC factions.  A moderate one with people like Hoyte, Greenidge and Winston Murray, and a militant one with Hammie Green, Viola Burnham, Corbin, and all of the black thugs who are now in the PPP. 

The moderates were technocrats so initially didn't have any muscle within the PNC.  They weren't part of the political arm of the PNC which included the YSM, WRSM, People's militia, House of Israel and assorted Hammie Green thugs.

The radical element had the violent thugs behind them when Burnham died and so Hoyte couldn't immediately move against them. Eventually he did and he locked up some of the thugs and the PPP immediately released them when they came into power, the rest being history. 

Joe Hamilton boasted about how many people who beat up and maybe even killed when he was one of Green's henchmen yet he is now a proud PPP MP.

Its with interest that its the radical PNC goons like Joe Hamilton who ended up with the PPP.  In fact in the 1997 election Hammie Green was very friendly with the PPP.  This because he wanted to frustrate the PNC which was then led by Hoyte.  If you don't know that Green left the PNC after Hoyte told him to accept the fact that the PNC had lost in 1992 then you are truly lost.

FM
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

You better not stand downwind when he is pissing in the wind. You might get part of Freddie's potion. Try it, you might like it.

You could not resist from backing your buddies,hitting below the belt.

Notice the vulgarity that we have become accustomed to getting from the PPP, especially the Indo KKK faction.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
 

More make believe. Hoyte had to be bitchslapped by the IMF and WB before he made any adjustments.

Hoyte was bitch slapped to hold free elections. Even during the Burnham era he was not noted to support socialism which is why Hammie Green was angered when he was made president.

Padnah, link reposted below in case you didn't see it. 

When President Desmond Hoyte took power in August 1985 after the death of Forbes Burnham, he declared his intention to speed up "the pursuit of socialist construction" in Guyana. He re-emphasised this assertion after he reinforced his power at grossly rigged elections four months later.

Furthermore, Green was still the PNC Prime Minister when the PNC lost the only free and fair elections held under their watch. So you saying that Green was upset that Hoyte was made President in 1985 is more of your make believe fantasies.  Green was expelled from the PNC in 1993 because he was upset that the PNC lost the 1992 elections because the elections was free and fair. Neither Hoyte nor Green cared for a free and fair elections but Hoyte was forced by the IMF and WB to do so.

Bai, yuh don't get tired making stuff up. 

Like I said you were locked in your Indo KKK cabin and so remain ignorant of the state of the PNC after Burnham's death.

Now everyone else knew that there were two PNC factions.  A moderate one with people like Hoyte, Greenidge and Winston Murray, and a militant one with Hammie Green, Viola Burnham, Corbin, and all of the black thugs who are now in the PPP. 

The moderates were technocrats so initially didn't have any muscle within the PNC.  They weren't part of the political arm of the PNC which included the YSM, WRSM, People's militia, House of Israel and assorted Hammie Green thugs.

The radical element had the violent thugs behind them when Burnham died and so Hoyte couldn't immediately move against them. Eventually he did and he locked up some of the thugs and the PPP immediately released them when they came into power, the rest being history. 

Joe Hamilton boasted about how many people who beat up and maybe even killed when he was one of Green's henchmen yet he is now a proud PPP MP.

Its with interest that its the radical PNC goons like Joe Hamilton who ended up with the PPP.  In fact in the 1997 election Hammie Green was very friendly with the PPP.  This because he wanted to frustrate the PNC which was then led by Hoyte.  If you don't know that Green left the PNC after Hoyte told him to accept the fact that the PNC had lost in 1992 then you are truly lost.

The record shows that Hoyte was the PNC president until he lost the 1992 elections. Likewise Green was the PNC Prime Minister until 1992. The record also showed that Green did not leave the PNC after they lost the 1992 elections. Rather the record shows that he was kicked out of the PNC in 1993, way after the 1992 elections loss.

The rest of what you wrote has no bearing on when and why Green and the PNC were separated. They are just more deflection. Right now Granger is the President and he is showing signs that he has illegal intentions regarding the governance of Guyana. Joe Hamilton is small fries compared to where Granger was in 1973 and where he plans to be by 2020. So you can continue being obsessed with Joe Hamilton as well as your deflection.

FM
caribny posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

You better not stand downwind when he is pissing in the wind. You might get part of Freddie's potion. Try it, you might like it.

You could not resist from backing your buddies,hitting below the belt.

Notice the vulgarity that we have become accustomed to getting from the PPP, especially the Indo KKK faction.

Words of wisdom from Black Ian Smith.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:

An expected  response.

Typically pissing in the wind.

You better not stand downwind when he is pissing in the wind. You might get part of Freddie's potion. Try it, you might like it.

You could not resist from backing your buddies,hitting below the belt.

Notice the vulgarity that we have become accustomed to getting from the PPP, especially the Indo KKK faction.

Words of wisdom from Black Ian Smith.

Bai, na worry wid the Kaffir Black KKK Carib. He worse than a garbage bin overflowing with stench. 

FM

Kaffir (alternatively kaffer; originally cafri) is an ethnic slur used to refer to a black person. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the medieval era as a non-derogatory equivalent of "negro". In Southern Africa, the term was later used as a neutral exonym for Bantu peoples.

No wonder I use to hear my mother and other older coolies calling blacks "Capri or Caphar". I think they meant "Cafri" and "Kaffer".

FM
skeldon_man posted:

Kaffir (alternatively kaffer; originally cafri) is an ethnic slur used to refer to a black person. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the medieval era as a non-derogatory equivalent of "negro". In Southern Africa, the term was later used as a neutral exonym for Bantu peoples.

No wonder I use to hear my mother and other older coolies calling blacks "Capri or Caphar". I think they meant "Cafri" and "Kaffer".

Kaffir

 

Pronunciation /ˈkafɪə//ˈkafə/

noun

  • 1 South African offensive An insulting term for a black African.

  • 2 offensive An insulting term used by some Muslims for non-Muslims.

  • historical A member of a people of the Hindu Kush mountains of north- eastern Afghanistan, who did not convert to Islam until the 19th century.


     

    In hindi it's prounonced, kaaphir

    Locals will say,kaaphar

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Kaffir (alternatively kaffer; originally cafri) is an ethnic slur used to refer to a black person. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the medieval era as a non-derogatory equivalent of "negro". In Southern Africa, the term was later used as a neutral exonym for Bantu peoples.

No wonder I use to hear my mother and other older coolies calling blacks "Capri or Caphar". I think they meant "Cafri" and "Kaffer".

Kaffir

 

Pronunciation /ˈkafɪə//ˈkafə/

noun

  • 1South African offensive An insulting term for a black African.

  • 2offensive An insulting term used by some Muslims for non-Muslims.

  • 3historical A member of a people of the Hindu Kush mountains of north-eastern Afghanistan, who did not convert to Islam until the 19th century.


    In hindi is

    काफिर kaaphir

 I would think they meant the insults for the negroes.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Kaffir (alternatively kaffer; originally cafri) is an ethnic slur used to refer to a black person. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the medieval era as a non-derogatory equivalent of "negro". In Southern Africa, the term was later used as a neutral exonym for Bantu peoples.

No wonder I use to hear my mother and other older coolies calling blacks "Capri or Caphar". I think they meant "Cafri" and "Kaffer".

Kaffir

 

Pronunciation /ˈkafɪə//ˈkafə/

noun

  • 1South African offensive An insulting term for a black African.

  • 2offensive An insulting term used by some Muslims for non-Muslims.

  • 3historical A member of a people of the Hindu Kush mountains of north-eastern Afghanistan, who did not convert to Islam until the 19th century.


    In hindi is

    काफिर kaaphir

 I would think they meant the insults for the negroes.

That's is correct.

Locals say,kaaphar

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Kaffir (alternatively kaffer; originally cafri) is an ethnic slur used to refer to a black person. In the form of cafri, it evolved during the medieval era as a non-derogatory equivalent of "negro". In Southern Africa, the term was later used as a neutral exonym for Bantu peoples.

No wonder I use to hear my mother and other older coolies calling blacks "Capri or Caphar". I think they meant "Cafri" and "Kaffer".

Kaffir

 

Pronunciation /ˈkafɪə//ˈkafə/

noun

  • 1South African offensive An insulting term for a black African.

  • 2offensive An insulting term used by some Muslims for non-Muslims.

  • 3historical A member of a people of the Hindu Kush mountains of north-eastern Afghanistan, who did not convert to Islam until the 19th century.


    In hindi is

    काफिर kaaphir

 I would think they meant the insults for the negroes.

That's is correct.

Locals say,kaaphar

They also say caphree.

FM

Whatever it is --- kaffir, kaaphar, caphree, caffrinia --- we who are unjustly accused of being Indo KKK and PPP/Jagdeo slaves living in Indo KKK cabin and the PPP plantation that has allegedly consigned Sam Hinds to a "bantustan" according to that Bantu Carib must stop his eyepass.

All those words Carib uses to describe us are loaded and explosive, ethnically charged with malice and prejudice. Gilbakka will never accept such confounded nonsense. Prior to Carib's racial offensive against me, I never uttered 'Afro KKK' or 'Kaffir KKK' to any black person. He started this thing.

FM
ksazma posted:

The record shows that Hoyte was the PNC president until he lost the 1992 elections. Likewise Green was the PNC Prime Minister until 1992. 

Continue to bleat your ignorance.  Those who know the politics of Guyana in the 1985-1992 era would know what I am discussing.

All you "know" is that blacks are inferior losers so couldn't be bothered to find out the facts.

FM
ksazma posted:

Carib thinks he is smartman but all he is doing is exposing himself.

Carib knows that he is considerably more intelligent than a jackass like you he thinks that he is superior to blacks.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

The record shows that Hoyte was the PNC president until he lost the 1992 elections. Likewise Green was the PNC Prime Minister until 1992. 

Continue to bleat your ignorance.  Those who know the politics of Guyana in the 1985-1992 era would know what I am discussing.

All you "know" is that blacks are inferior losers so couldn't be bothered to find out the facts.

Well, since you make stuff up here, clearly that "those who know" group doesn't include you.

FM
yuji22 posted:
 

Bai, na worry wid the Kaffir Black KKK Carib. He worse than a garbage bin overflowing with stench. 

Yes I noted that Gilbakka uses a version of the "N" word to describe me.  I think that hanging out with the PPP (Indo KKK) is now turning him into one of them.

Oh the power of Jagdeo to fool naïve people.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

The record shows that Hoyte was the PNC president until he lost the 1992 elections. Likewise Green was the PNC Prime Minister until 1992. 

Continue to bleat your ignorance.  Those who know the politics of Guyana in the 1985-1992 era would know what I am discussing.

All you "know" is that blacks are inferior losers so couldn't be bothered to find out the facts.

Well, since you make stuff up here, clearly that "those who know" group doesn't include you.

The fact that you are locked in your Indo KKK cabin, screaming "me hate blackman" so was ignorant of Guyanese politics in 1985-1992 is your issue.

Those who know are fully aware that there were factions within the PNC. A moderate faction and a militant Burnhamist faction.  Now if you didn't know that, and the power dynamics which ensued I cannot help you.

Ponder about the enmity that ensued between Green and Hoyte to the point where Green's goons became members of the PPP thug force.  And how Green tried to cooperate with Jagan in the 2006 election to weaken the PPP.  In the process destroying his GGG party!

Do you know who the GGG is?

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Bai, na worry wid the Kaffir Black KKK Carib. He worse than a garbage bin overflowing with stench. 

Yes I noted that Gilbakka uses a version of the "N" word to describe me.  I think that hanging out with the PPP (Indo KKK) is now turning him into one of them.

Oh the power of Jagdeo to fool naïve people.

I guess the PNC treats Indians so bad that we are forced to keep company with bad behaving ppl. In a way, the PNC gives Jagdeo life and I hope he kick their azzes.

S
Gilbakka posted:

 

All those words Carib uses to describe us are loaded and explosive, 

And when people come here and scream that blacks are savage, violent, ignorant, culturally inferior I guess you think that I should agree.

Why do you think that I am the only openly black identified poster left on GNI.  The others leaving disgusted by the anti black racism which is tolerated on this site.  This site even being flagged at times as being an anti black hate site.  That this racism is now less obvious is because I confront it so those who peddle this have become more subtle.

Giully you have gone over to their side.  If the cap fits then wear it.  I note that you use the South African "N" word to describe me.  I expect soon you will be screaming "blackman a kill ahbe".

FM
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ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

 

Carib knows that he is considerably more intelligent than a jackass

You haven't said anything more accurate than this.

Glad that you admit that you are a jackass. You see only a jackass would so glaringly attempt to distort a comment and think that they can get away with it.

But continue to scream "me better dan blackman".  That is what you are good at.  You and druggie.

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Bai, na worry wid the Kaffir Black KKK Carib. He worse than a garbage bin overflowing with stench. 

Yes I noted that Gilbakka uses a version of the "N" word to describe me.  I think that hanging out with the PPP (Indo KKK) is now turning him into one of them.

Oh the power of Jagdeo to fool naïve people.

Don't make Jagdeo a scapegoat for your outright racism, kaffir.

Indo KKK. Indo KKK cabin, PPP plantation, PPP massa, Jagdeo's slaves, bantustan --- all these are concoctions of your racist mind. When you stop, Gilbakka stops.

FM
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