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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.

nuff APNU will have to support AFC on this one,we are not asking APNU we are telling them,it the first time the pnc will have a voice in parlament and all because of afc,WE IS controling the power between the APNU and the ppp,

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.

nuff APNU will have to support AFC on this one,we are not asking APNU we are telling them,it the first time the pnc will have a voice in parlament and all because of afc,WE IS controling the power between the APNU and the ppp,

I agree ... this is a joint mutual decision by the opposition. But I don't think it takes rocket science to see that Ramjattan has already stated he has no problem with Debra being nominated speaker. Essentially the AFC has embraced her.

Someone set me straight here. If your appointee for speaker of the house holds a seat in parliament don't you forfeit that seat. Correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct with the above it would not be practical for the AFC to nominate Moses or Trotman as Speaker It would have to be someone within the AFC who doesn't have a seat in parliament.

So far all I have found is

65 members. The National Assembly may select a Speaker who is not a member of the Parliament. In this case, the speaker becomes the 66th member of the Assembly

I have yet to back up my claim that if the speaker is a MP his party forfeits his seat.

Anyone know the law?

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Originally posted by Nuff:
So far all I have found is

65 members. The National Assembly may select a Speaker who is not a member of the Parliament. In this case, the speaker becomes the 66th member of the Assembly

I have yet to back up my claim that if the speaker is a MP his party forfeits his seat.

Anyone know the law?

That is why the PPP will chose a member of the opposition.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
So far all I have found is

65 members. The National Assembly may select a Speaker who is not a member of the Parliament. In this case, the speaker becomes the 66th member of the Assembly

I have yet to back up my claim that if the speaker is a MP his party forfeits his seat.

Anyone know the law?

That is why the PPP will chose a member of the opposition.

LOL

You mean that is why they chose Ramkarran. He has to do the heavy lifting.

All the PPP can do on this one is make a suggestion for Speaker. That's it. The PPP didn't nominate any members of the opposition to the cabinet ... so it knows what its request for Speaker will result in ..... a resounding NO! NFW!

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
So far all I have found is

65 members. The National Assembly may select a Speaker who is not a member of the Parliament. In this case, the speaker becomes the 66th member of the Assembly

I have yet to back up my claim that if the speaker is a MP his party forfeits his seat.

Anyone know the law?

That is why the PPP will chose a member of the opposition.

LOL

You mean that is why they chose Ramkarran. He has to do the heavy lifting.

That would be a mistake.

If they choose an opposition MP, there would be a 32 - 32 stalemate always and then and only then can the speaker cast his vote. I believe that he will vote to keep his job.

You are confusing me cuz.

You think the PPP will nominate a standing MP from the opposition? CONFUSED!

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Originally posted by Nuff:
You are confusing me cuz.

You think the PPP will nominate a standing MP from the opposition? CONFUSED!

Not only a standing MP from the opposition but one who will vote along with them.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
You are confusing me cuz.

You think the PPP will nominate a standing MP from the opposition? CONFUSED!

Not only a standing MP from the opposition but one who will vote along with them.

You lack knowledge of Guyana politics.

The constitution firmly states no MP can vote against party lines. All MPs must vote with the party.

Burnham was a smart SOB. Isn't the guyana constitution great. That's why the PPP loved and enjoyed the current constitution and made no changes to it.

The Parliamentary Opposition seems to be very strong headed on who will be the Speaker, both Opposition parties want their choice to be approved by the other......the Guyanese populace are viewing for themselves a high level of distrust among the opposition figures...

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Originally posted by albert:
The Parliamentary Opposition seems to be very strong headed on who will be the Speaker, both Opposition parties want their choice to be approved by the other......the Guyanese populace are viewing for themselves a high level of distrust among the opposition figures...

The election is over for them. They don't have a say until the next election..

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Originally posted by albert:
The Parliamentary Opposition seems to be very strong headed on who will be the Speaker, both Opposition parties want their choice to be approved by the other......the Guyanese populace are viewing for themselves a high level of distrust among the opposition figures...

From what I read in the local newspapers Ramjattan has no qualms supporting the APNU candidate. I don't see any in-fighting.

The Guyanese populace will always support the P.P.P/C....the Opposition parties seems like crabs in a barrel...

Ramakant ... did you catch my above post.

Posted December 13, 2011 01:27 PM

What is your response?

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Originally posted by albert:
The Guyanese populace will always support the P.P.P/C....the Opposition parties seems like crabs in a barrel...

Cool.

The PPP days are done.

Burnham's constitution was never intended to support a minority leadership. It is a recipe for failure.

His Excellency Donald Romatar will be well supported with his ideas to take Guyana forward....

I wish him well. The only way that is possible is to allow the opposition to have a say in the day to day running of the country.

Winner tek all .... daze are over.

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Originally posted by Nuff:
Ramakant ... did you catch my above post.

Posted December 13, 2011 01:27 PM

What is your response?

That is only a technicality.

Check again. They can... If an MP gets elected as speaker he can vote any which way he seems fit in the interest of the nation.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
Ramakant ... did you catch my above post.

Posted December 13, 2011 01:27 PM

What is your response?

That is only a technicality.

Check again. They can... If an MP gets elected as speaker he can vote any which way he seems fit in the interest of the nation.

Dude ... the speaker doesn't have a vote .... there are 65 votes. The speaker is the whip.

I am still waiting for confirmation that if a standing MP is selected as speaker his party loses its seat in parliament.

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:
Ramakant ... did you catch my above post.

Posted December 13, 2011 01:27 PM

What is your response?

That is only a technicality.

Check again. They can... If an MP gets elected as speaker he can vote any which way he seems fit in the interest of the nation.

Dude ... the speaker doesn't have a vote .... there are 65 votes. The speaker is the whip.

If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

If an MP gets elected as speaker he can vote any which way he seems fit in the interest of the nation.

A Speaker, regardless of political affiliation, can vote ONLY when there is a tie.

The Speaker MUST abide with the rules of governance of the legislature and not by his political belief nor the views of his political party.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Well someone may be willing to take the risk of voting independently based on belief or bribe, and in that case, the speaker can cast the deciding vote. It is therefore imperative that the speaker come from the opposition, and preferably from the AFC.

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Absebtees

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Absentees

Or that. Thanks Uncle Rama.

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Originally posted by D2:
] In the interest of presenting the face of judicious decision making the speaker should be in the hands of the mediating party, the AFC. The PPP and the PNC cannot co opt all the plum roles.

The role of the AFC will be to keep the two children from killing each other. Having the Speaker slot will be a perfect way to do this.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Absebtees

Such as drinking "soup" while recovering from the common cold?

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Absentees

Or that. Thanks Uncle Rama.

i hope they make MOSE THE SPEAKER,he have the experience,also he need to kick some ppp ass.the AFC supporters will be looking for results,stopping couruption,setting some example by jailing some ministers.that is why these people vote for the AFC.i thing MOSE will have the strengh,to speak for the people

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.

And ... you really foresee that happening this early into the game. Wishful thinking.

The AFC doesn't hate the APNU as much as it hates the PPP.

Guys this is all commonsense. Watch how it plays out. The APNU will get the vote from the AFC and its candidate will be embraced by the AFC and nominated as speaker.

Anythig else is wishful thinking.

Were I in the AFC I would ask the PPP for the Speaker role for the party if the PNC disagrees. What will they do to penalize the AFC; not go along with it elsewhere? The AFC should play strictly down the middle. The Speaker role to the PNC is not a prudent thing in this minority government. They are too angry driven and by no less vindictive inclinations than the PPP and they will use it self-servingly for narrow political interests rather than to serve the people.

I agree. Dem marabuntas doan know when to discriminate. They in a stinging mood all the time. Vindictive is the word.

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Originally posted by warrior:

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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:


If there is a tie vote, then he does..in the parliamentary system that we have.

How can there be a tied vote when you can't cross party lines?

Absentees

Or that. Thanks Uncle Rama.

i hope they make MOSE THE SPEAKER,he have the experience,also he need to kick some ppp ass.the AFC supporters will be looking for results,stopping couruption,setting some example by jailing some ministers.that is why these people vote for the AFC.i thing MOSE will have the strengh,to speak for the people

Trotman is better. It is like Power Sharing.

We'll see how this plays out. I see no reason why the APNU shouldn't be the party which puts up the speaker. I have no qualms if the AFC gets it ... but the role of speaker is a strong bully pulpit when used properly and is not someone who just shouts out ... all in favour say aye.

Like I said .... The APNU and AFC will work this one out. The PPP just takes a back seat like they should. They already have the title of lame duck president.

The Guyanese populace are watching the Opposition parties, as they continue their tug-a-war over the speaker....

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Originally posted by albert:
The Guyanese populace are watching the Opposition parties, as they continue their tug-a-war over the speaker....

At least they are a participant. They are not being taken for granted as in the past under the autocracy of the PPP.

The Guyanese populace are also looking at the opposition parties, as they appears like crabs in a barrel...

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Originally posted by albert:
The Guyanese populace are also looking at the opposition parties, as they appears like crabs in a barrel...

Yes ... these crabs are looking for the bad apples in the barrel.

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.

Wishful thinking.

I assure you the APNU and AFC will solidify their partnership by never allowing the PPP to nominate their candidate as speaker.

Dudes ... this is simple commonsense .. stop dreaming. It ain't gonna happen.

That I will believe when it happens.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

That I will believe when it happens.

Check it out on the 28th.

There will be no delay to the start of business.

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

That I will believe when it happens.

Check it out on the 28th.

There will be no delay to the start of business.

Does this mean you will be returning to Guyana to continue the fight?

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

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Originally posted by Nuff:

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

That I will believe when it happens.

Check it out on the 28th.

There will be no delay to the start of business.

Does this mean you will be returning to Guyana to continue the fight?

Naw bannas, he is like you, giving moral support in good ole USA

Cracks have started already in AFC. They are in denial if they disagree. APNU/PNC and PPP will have common ground. This is politics and both parties will want to squeeze AFC out by the next election. PNC and PPP may be arch rivals but they have been around long enough to understand the electorate.

As for speaker, APNU/PNC can nominate a moderate and PPP might support it as a first sign of an olive branch. RUMjattan is itching for a greater role but he must move aside and let APNU do its job and fulfill it's mandate to it's supporters.