You should bother if they defect to the APNU. They will make one formidable opposition. The days of your thieving crew will be numbered. 

The East Indians in the AFC hate and despise the PPP with a passion, so no way any of them will defect to the PPP.

Regarding the AFC blacks---if any choose to defect---there is a 100% chance they will hook up with APNU.

With the AFC now losing credibility with the Guyanese people---the party should consider a coalition with APNU.

In the last election:

AFC + APNU = 51%

PPP = 48%

I strongly encourage APNU and AFC to link up.

Anyway, the Rev is curious to find out who will be the first to bolt the AFC.

Rev

Rev says: "Anyway, the Rev is curious to find out who will be the first to bolt the AFC."

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Simple, Rev.

A -- will bolt first

F -- will bolt next

C -- will bolt last

Seriously, I don't think the AFC is facing a leadership or membership crisis. 

The AFC as a party in parliament made some bewildering decisions lately, but which political party in and out of Guyana doesn't blunder sometimes?

As an independent observer of Guyana's politics, I think the AFC is still a force to be reckoned with.

Gilbakka:

As you are aware, historically 3rd parties along with other minor parties have pulled 12-15% of the votes.

The way I see it the AFC has peaked at 10%

Let's check the numbers.

The AFC received 28,366 votes(8.4%) in 2006 when Trotman was their presidential candidate and 35,333 votes(10.3%) in 2011 when Ramjattan was their presidential candidate.

The Nagamootoo factor helped the AFC pull 7000 more votes in 2011 than they did in 2006.

But in the next election the Nagamootoo novelty will likely evaporate---they'll likely lose 7-8K votes.

So where will the lost votes for AFC head in the next election ?

IF THE PPP CONTINUES TO BE PERCEIVED AS CORRUPT---THOSE VOTES WILL HEAD OVER TO APNU.

Like in 2011---there is a good chance that APNU and AFC will get over 50% of the votes----but unless they form a coalition before the election----the PPP will again form the government.

Listen! In 2011---Ramotar was handpicked by Jagdeo---he really didn't have a high profile among PPP voters----Jagdeo was painted by Nagamootoo as corrupt---and yet the PPP pulled 48.6% of the votes.

In the next election, Ramotar will be the incumbent----and it's very difficult for incumbents to lose. I am not sure if Ramotar can pull 50%----but he will most definitely match the 48.6% he got in 2011.

RE: THE AFC

I don't expect the party to fold---but right now many of their supporters are harboring doubts---folks like Gerard, TK, Sase, etc feel let down maybe betrayed by the Nigel saga.

Rev

Rev ....de numbers man.....

Do you believe "PPP Members"

supported, love or voted for Kwame

at the PPP Berbice Congress????

Do you believe the

Congress Results were Rigged????

Or do you Believe Kwame

became Popular Overnite

because he Marry Nehru

in A Bamboo Wedding????

Rev....

Nandalall is seen as a Rising Star in the PPP....

as the #4 most popular person

in the PPP today....

Why is he being shown as

"Kwame Equal"

Anil say "De Congress was Rigged.....

No one Supported Kwame...

Berbice give PPP Big Big Bamboo"

PPP got Larwa in Berbice 

Is anil Right?????

Rev...Do you believe...

DE Bamboo Wedding...

did de trick for Kwame????

and.....Bu@@erring

is acceptable in Berbice Now!!!!

Jalil bai:

Good morning Sir!

Now jalil, you seem to have an obsession with Kwame McCoy---it's either you are obsessed with Kwame or extremely dedicated to the man.

Jalil---you rarely make a most on this forum without talking about Kwame or posting a photograph of the man.

QUESTION:

Jalil could you be secretly in love with Kwame ?hahahaha

You need to find a new obsession Jalil---get rid of Kwame.

Rev

Rev, I follow your reasoning regarding the AFC's probable performance in the next general election. One thing experience has taught me over the past four decades, however, is that voting patterns in Guyana defy reason, logic and plain common sense.

Moving on, when you mention Donald Ramotar as being the incumbent you're assuming he will be the PPP/C presidential candidate. I am tempted to think otherwise.

The Guyana Constitution prohibited Bharat Jagdeo from running for a third consecutive term, but it does not prohibit him from running after Mr Ramotar's first term.

There's a likelihood Mr Jagdeo will be the PPP's choice in 2016 with Donald as his running mate. In short, a Guyana version of Putin-Medvedev.

Having said this, we know politics is not an exact science and your line of reasoning may materialize. Or, maybe not, Rev.

The AFC Journey…A political road less travelled… a responsibility we must own

By Nigel Hughes, AFC Chairman

Guyana has long wanted to develop a hydro-power project. God has blessed us with abundant natural resources, however to date we have not been able to completely convert this gift for the mutual benefit of the nation. Since Forbes Burnham’s 1970s efforts to build the Mazaruni Hydro project, this country has flirted with self-sufficiency in energy generation, with no tangible success to date.
Our country’s development and the prosperity of our people will continue to be stifled unless we can ensure low cost energy and energy security. In this context, a properly developed hydro-power project would provide great

Nigel Hughes

momentum in both lowering energy costs and providing energy security. I contend that if we make the right decisions, we will become the number one economy in the Caribbean. One of the key and critical reasons for the difference in development between Guyana and Trinidad is the cost of energy.
In light of the foregoing, the Alliance For Change, after considerable review, has determined that its parliamentary actions in relation to the Amaila Falls Hydropower Project were consistent with its commitment to the Guyanese electricity consumers, as well as its commitments to renewable energy and to making Guyana an attractive venue for investors.
In light of what has since transpired, the Party is convinced that it acted in a patriotic, rational and responsible manner to safeguard both the people of Guyana and the project, by approving a parliamentary action to increase the debt limit. It was our considered opinion that this course of action would have given a lifeline to the project and would have paved the way for the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) to conduct a thorough review so that we could make a decision on the viability of the project.
The IDB stated that its due diligence would be conducted on three principal areas:
1)  Whether GPL has the capacity to handle the administering and management of the large amount of electricity after Amaila is completed;
2) Whether there is economic viability of the project, that is, if Guyana’s economy can sustain it to become viable for the tariffs not to increase;
3)  The environmental feasibility.
After analyzing the outcome of the IDB’s due diligence, the AFC would then have sufficient information to determine our final position on the project.
The AFC believes that this Project was handled badly from the inception, with no formal project document being laid in the National Assembly, and no attempt made to seek early political consensus.  Further, there is no evidence of a formal and transparent tender process leading to the identification and selection of the project’s developers. The failure to share critical information on the project with the political opposition, while negotiating with the developers for the last six years calls into question the sincerity of the government’s last minute efforts to achieve support from all political parties.
The AFC is today rising in the conscience of the Guyanese people, as we say and do what is in their interest. We share and feel the people’s heartbeat for affordable renewable energy security not only from hydro-power but from a portfolio of sources including ethanol, wind and solar power, and co-generation using bagasse and wood waste.
Therefore we have every reason to support the development of hydro-power in Guyana but with the clear caveat that it must be environmentally, socially and economically feasible.  We are not going to support any project that throws good money over the waterfalls.
The AFC leadership has had serious consultations which have revealed that AFHP could satisfy the minimum requirements of the IDB’s Environmental and Social Management Report [environmental, hydrological, biotic, topographic, social management issues including the displacement and compensation of any community during and after construction.]
We believed we had enough evidence to support the Hydro Electric Power (Amendment) Bill 2013 and remain committed to our principled position. This Bill which the AFC voted in favour of guaranteed the protection of the flora and fauna surrounding any future hydropower project in Guyana.
We have come to recognize over these last two weeks that this has been misinterpreted by many to have been a vote for the Amaila Falls project itself.  Nothing could be further from the truth and one must recognize that the AFHP has never come to the parliament for debate, consideration or approval. Unfortunately given our current political landscape many have deliberately taken advantage of this misunderstanding.  This we find most regrettably.
However, this does not mean that we must surrender our concerns that the AFHP must be sound and good for Guyana. Our biggest concerns remain the key debt assumptions, the cost of finance, the lender’s fee structure and the advisory costs. We provided our word to the Government to respect the confidentiality of the details and thus professionally we cannot release those details in this presentation, but the numbers do not add up to our satisfaction.  In this regard, we have made our position clear: our full support would be reserved until the IDB completes its Economic Feasibility Technical Report (economic due diligence).
Notwithstanding this, the AFC, in recognition of the advanced stage of the project financing process, and an appreciation of what it takes to bring a project of such magnitude to this stage, took a position to approve two parliamentary measures intended to support the project.  Neither of these measures, as approved, presented any risk whatsoever to the people of Guyana.  The party wishes to make it clear that it had by no means endorsed this project in its current form.
The sad episode is now over but we must not lose the lessons of the experience.
1. Projects of national nature which involved substantial investment must include all stakeholders from its conception.
2. Every effort must be made to recruit and involve the best negotiating team to represent the country in any negotiations on the project.
3. Foreign investors in substantial projects in Guyana now require the approval of all major stakeholders.

Rev, do you remember in 2011 how you shot yourself in the foot when you had the other foot in your mouth?

Long live the AFC!

Gilbakka:

Jagdeo has already made his millions and he is now quite satisfied collecting honorary doctorates around the world, so there is zero chance he'll return in 2016.

If Donald Ramotar stays healthy, he'll run for re-election and with incumbency to his advantage he'll most likely be granted a 2nd term.

Rev

Disagree! His character flaws will make sure he runs. I hope he does. 

If Jagdeo were to replace Ramotar in 2016 the Rev would support the PNC.

No way on God's earth Jagdeo will be back---it will be political suicide for the PPP.

Rev

You are a liar. Last election, you were licking butta from his BT. After the election, you went into hiding.

Jagdeo does not have to come back because he never left. He's the head of the PPP mafia. Donald is no Don, just a puppet.

Like I said, you are a congenital liar and a racist. After the election you went into hiding and then registered as Rev. You posted here as Rev AL to denigrate him. Remember how you were ready to lynch any blackman?

You have no credibilty.

“A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth.”

Every Guyanese knows Donald was handpicked by Jagdeo!

Donald's loyalty to Jags and his cabal in understandable.

But ask the PPP insiders---Donald is no pushover----and in his 2nd term he will be his own man.

Actually Donald is already calling the shots----he handpicked Rohee to be the PPP's general secretary.

Rev

Don't let anyone fool you. Donald is just another one of Jagdeo's stooges.

He is not calling the shots. He is Jaggy's puppet. Don't be fooled.

Looks like the Rev had some inside information.lol

Tarron Khemraj and others bolted---click on link:

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/af...mraj-defects-to-apnu

Rev

Sase and Gerhard's silence speak volumes.....

Imagine if they also join the APNU. That's one more nail in the thieve man party coffin. 

In the event of any snap elections with the mud sliding going on in the AFC/APNU, the P.P.P/C stand the best chance of regaining a majority in the National Assembly....and thus ensure progress continues...

PNC cum AFC simply need to pass a non-confidence motion against the PPP/C government in the national assembly and an election must be held within ninety days.

The rope is too short for Ramotar.

AFC wants forensic audit of Jagdeo, Brassington assets

…‘unknown private investor’ to take majority ownership of Marriott Hotel

With Atlantic Hotel Inc (AHI) still negotiating with a foreign private investor for two-thirds ownership of the Marriott Hotel, still under construction in Kingston, the Alliance for Change (AFC) Leader, Khemraj Ramjattan, has since charged that there is undoubtedly a fraudulent intent in the way the project has been configured.

Bharrat Jagdeo

The Guyana Government upon completion of the deal being negotiated will own a minority stake in the Marriott Hotel.
Ramjattan has since called on Head of State, Donald Ramotar, to enforce the resolutions of a Parliamentary Motion that had called for a forensic audit into the operations of the National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), which is headed by Winston Brassington.
Ramjattan says that the personal assets of Brassington and members of NICIL’s Board, his connection to former President Bharrat Jagdeo and his inner circle and even the assets of Jagdeo himself must be scrutinized “So that the truth be known!”
Qualifying his position that the Marriott was born with fraudulent intent, Ramjattan pointed to the advance of US$10M just before the 2011 election even while there were no certain private sector financial commitments or any other certainty that the project will be completed.
The AFC leader pointed out that after spending billions of taxpayer moneys on a project without economic justification and financial viability, “we are now being told that the project has stalled and will soon be

Head of NICIL, Winston Brassington

energized by this phantom investor!” Is this how this Government does business?”
Ramjattan opined that one would have thought that if prudence prevailed, then construction of the Marriott Hotel will only have commenced when all the finances were secured.
“When that does not happen, it is surely corruption which prevails.”
He said that in total contempt for the struggling taxpayer who has forked out more than $2B, no disclosure is made of the investors, their profile, source of funds, amount offered, payment terms and other arrangements.
Ramjattan has since also demanded an urgent audit of all expenditure and commitments on the Marriott Hotel before any sale or investment and its review by the Public Accounts Committee.
According to Ramjattan, the Marriott Hotel Project “is turning out exactly as I had forecast…the abuse of state revenues to build the Marriott by the Sheiks among today’s Guyana sultanate, through the misuse of NICIL as the instrument; and, then selling it to their friends for lower than its real value at great loss to taxpayers is what is happening here.”
Ramjattan recalled that Brassington and Finance Minister, Dr Ashni Singh, had told the nation that the project had sufficient finances, from investors and loans, to fund its completion.
“They were deceptive when they pronounced in our (National) Assembly and led its members into believing that monies from the syndicated investors were in the bag…That was why they told us that they will start the project…When we asked them to name the investors or where the loans were coming from, they said that

AFC Leader, Khemraj Ramjattan

was confidential.”
Ramjattan said that the current position is that “we now know it is only the public monies which have been spent thus far for work done….monies up fronted at Jagdeo’s approval just before the 2011 Elections to the Chinese contractor.”
According to the AFC Leader, the clouding of the truth as to an impending sale of, or investment into the Marriott Hotel, “clearly shows the continuing lack of transparency, and behind-the-door secret deals involving Head of the NICIL, Winston Brassington and unknown investors controlled by the former Head of State and his circle of friends.”
Ramjattan asks, “Why is it that Brassington does not want to tell us who this new investor is? Is he some Phantom?”
This past week Ramjattan alleged that an offer was made from a British Virgin Islands incorporated investor, to purchase the incomplete Marriott Hotel Building, as a result of Government “finding it difficult to attract the investors and syndicated loans” to complete the hotel.
Brassington has since denied this but did say that AHI is in the closing stages of a deal with a foreign investor and that the name of this investor will be announced when there is financial closure.
He said, “In general, private investors are usually reluctant to make premature public disclosures about their business and in this case there is greater apprehension to do so, given the hostile and unwelcoming

Finance Minister Ashni Singh

political environment created by the Opposition parties.”
He said that the private investor is aware, and acknowledges, that given its intended relationship with the Government of Guyana, it will be required to make a public announcement which it is prepared to do at the appropriate time.

The AFC goons are trying their best to derail this thread, by throwing a set of red herring into the discussion, but the Guyanese populace are no fools, the AFC is in their twilight years.....heading to the political graveyard

Why Rev calling Ramotar Humpy Dumpy?

AFC = Humpty Dumpty.

Isn't it obvious that he's shaped like Humpty Dumpty? 

Rose said as many as 11 persons have decided to walk away from the AFC which holds a key seven-seat balance of power in the 65-seat National Assembly. He said several of them would go to APNU and the remainder back to the governing Peoples Progressive Party (PPP).

excerpts from demwaves