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Originally Posted by Mara:

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Originally Posted by Mara:

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Mara:

Not withstanding the habitual intransigencies of the two dinosaurs, this is indde a damning indictment against the executives and leadership of the AFC. I suspect there is more than meet the eyes here. Councillor Haseef Yusuf may very well be the manchurian candidate or an opportunist that was enticed back within the fold of the PPP with a generous dispensation of milk. On the other hand, it could be just an internal squabble or a clash of personality that were addressed in an adequate and timely manner and was allowed to fester and get out of hand. In any event, the leadership, and specifically Ramjattan, as Chairman of the party cannot escape responsibility here. Perhaps an excellent example of A Stitch In Time Saves Nine.

I am not inclined as the original poster did to immediately indict he AFC, try them and convict them. Given the source and the strategy of the PPP to rake muck at every instance does incline one to take any reporting from them beyond natural prudence.

Indeed if one takes care of the little things the big things fall into place. But if the ones pointing to the little things is the PPP I would be wise to look for a better source.

I would tend to agree with you here. However, the AFC being touted as the winds of change cannot afford these boo- boos. It is not like Ramjattan and Nagamottoo are green horn. They are seasoned politiians.

As an aside, I have it from usually reliable inside source that some of the very issues ( puffiness, false pride and arrogance), that have alienated the PPP from its traditional support base, have also shown its ugly head within the leadership of the AFC.

Mara,

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself. For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

The PPP was dealt a serious lesson at the elections and the AFC has now joined the club.

I always insisted that Gerhard should have been a part the AFC top brass but he was shoved aside.

It is still not too late for the young Gerhard to seek his own fortunes.

and I am partly agreement with you here. As I have stated earlier, the AFC is supposed to represent the wind of change in Guyana's politics and can ill afford controversies of this nature, and the longer they take to respond ( in every available fora) the more currency is lost. However, Storm pointed out, and given the nature of cut throat politics at play, I believe it may be a bit premature for final judgement.

Regarding Gerhard, while he may not be in Parliament, I believe he is a senior executive of the party and does play a meaningful role in its daily operation.

Well, why did he keep silent while he was logged in for an hour and not respond ?

Does Ramjattan run his party like a dictator where members need a signed letter of approval to speak ?

The AFC has proven to be disappointing to say the least. Sorry

5/8/123:52 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by yuji22:

The AFC has proven to be disappointing to say the least. Sorry

The gist of the issues.

5/8/123:55 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Mara:
and I am partly agreement with you here. As I have stated earlier, the AFC is supposed to represent the wind of change in Guyana's politics and can ill afford controversies of this nature, and the longer they take to respond ( in every available fora) the more currency is lost. However, Storm pointed out, and given the nature of cut throat politics at play, I believe it may be a bit premature for final judgement.

Regarding Gerhard, while he may not be in Parliament, I believe he is a senior executive of the party and does play a meaningful role in its daily operation.

The PPP are taking whole cloth Lee Atwater strategy and putting it on steroids. Karl Rove, atwater's prodigy has nothing on these guys either.

I do not take them seriously. How could one take anyone who consider themselves gifted with immaculate perception seriously? The PPP is never wrong. The other side always is.

Note how the casual mention of me knowing a guy as a kid suddenly makes that guy my buddy and his failings mine? These people prosper on this kind of information mongering because our population is susceptible to them. Why do you think the Sase four video came on line and only last week Gerhardt was accused of robbing someone of land etc. They make muck raking a political business.

This is the PPP's modus operandi these days. The cannot defend their record which is so massively corrupt it immediately grabs you because we know well who these people were and hoe the enriched themselves in their short tenure.

5/8/124:01 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Mara:
and I am partly agreement with you here. As I have stated earlier, the AFC is supposed to represent the wind of change in Guyana's politics and can ill afford controversies of this nature, and the longer they take to respond ( in every available fora) the more currency is lost. However, Storm pointed out, and given the nature of cut throat politics at play, I believe it may be a bit premature for final judgement.

Regarding Gerhard, while he may not be in Parliament, I believe he is a senior executive of the party and does play a meaningful role in its daily operation.

The PPP are taking whole cloth Lee Atwater strategy and putting it on steroids. Karl Rove, atwater's prodigy has nothing on these guys either.

I do not take them seriously. How could one take anyone who consider themselves gifted with immaculate perception seriously? The PPP is never wrong. The other side always is.

Show me your company and I will tell you who you are.

The poster who broke the story to inform you that your buddy was sent to jail said otherwise.

5/8/124:15 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Originally Posted by yuji22:

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself.

For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

Change for what, with the current individuals and activities in 2012?

Well now there is no change with the AFC.

Berbicians drank snake oil and now have to deal with alleged corruption within the AFC.

They (AFC) are hiding and running for cover instead of facing the people.

Is this accountability ? Only D2/Storm is defending them these days. Plus he has to deal with his buddy sent to jail. Talk about association.

5/8/124:20 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Mara:
and I am partly agreement with you here. As I have stated earlier, the AFC is supposed to represent the wind of change in Guyana's politics and can ill afford controversies of this nature, and the longer they take to respond ( in every available fora) the more currency is lost. However, Storm pointed out, and given the nature of cut throat politics at play, I believe it may be a bit premature for final judgement.

Regarding Gerhard, while he may not be in Parliament, I believe he is a senior executive of the party and does play a meaningful role in its daily operation.

The PPP are taking whole cloth Lee Atwater strategy and putting it on steroids. Karl Rove, atwater's prodigy has nothing on these guys either.

I do not take them seriously. How could one take anyone who consider themselves gifted with immaculate perception seriously? The PPP is never wrong. The other side always is.

Show me your company and I will tell you who you are.

The poster who broke the story to inform you that your buddy was sent to jail said otherwise.

Which poster broke what story? I can clearly see you are out of your rockers.

5/8/124:22 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Originally Posted by yuji22:

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself.

For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

Change for what, with the current individuals and activities in 2012?

Well now there is no change with the AFC.

Berbicians drank snake oil and now have to deal with alleged corruption within the AFC.

AFC is clearly not pursuing its stated 2011-independent path devoid of affiliations with the major political parties.

Current 2012 issues show that the AFC is solidly integrated with the PNC.

One needs to observe the developments and results of another election.

5/8/124:37 PM

Former Member

Where is Gerhard?...if those allegations were false he would have already set the record straight

5/8/125:12 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Show me your company and I will tell you who you are.

The poster who broke the story to inform you that your buddy was sent to jail said otherwise.

Even among casual observers it is widely accepted that the PPP of late has morphed into a different political creature than what was under Dr. Cheddi Jagan. Nepotism, corruption and skullduggery of all types have taken on new dimension under the current cabal. If this BB is any barometer of the downward spiral of their popularity, and their descent into the den of depravity, you would realize that nearly half of the folks here ( including folks like Storm, Errol, Churchill and many others) who are now critical of their shenanigans have been fierce supporters and defenders of the PPP. Except for a dwindling number of timid and frightened ethnocentric cretin who are still mortified by the black bogeyman and PNC tribalism, and perhaps understandably so, continue to beat their drums. Today, those with a sense of moral decency, justice and fair play does not have a rotten thread to hang on to, nor a square inch of sacred ground to stand on. Thievery and corruption is a runaway train and the crookishness exceeds that of a dog's hind quarter.

So Yes! 'Show me your company and I will tell you who you are.'

5/8/125:15 PM

Former Member

One wonders how would Gerhard will defend such a fraud within the AFC, with the facts are staring him in the face

5/8/125:35 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Show me your company and I will tell you who you are.

Who got rich and who remained poor during the past 20 years?

5/8/125:38 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

One wonders how would Gerhard will defend such a fraud within the AFC, with the facts are staring him in the face

Gerhard and many AFC supporters are currently in a state of denial. These deceitful hypocrites have been painting the PPP as crooked and corrupt while turning a blind eye on thievery and corruption in their own AFC party. Well, the AFC has now been exposed---they are rotten to the core--Gerhard is deeply ashamed--"show me your company and I'll tell you who you are"--the Guyanese people know who you are Gerhard.

Rev

5/8/125:50 PM

Former Member

Even Mitwah is silent, those goons should call a shade a shade, they should think independently and never sell their integrity, if any

5/8/126:04 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Even Mitwah is silent, those goons should call a shade a shade, they should think independently and never sell their integrity, if any

I don't agree with embezzlement; theifery and corruption is an inherited trait from the PPP/PNC.

Who got rich and who remained poor during the past 20 years?

5/8/126:11 PM

Former Member

Mitwah,it appear embezzlement; theifery and corruption is alive and well within the camp of the AFC.

5/8/126:16 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Originally Posted by yuji22:

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself.

For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

Change for what, with the current individuals and activities in 2012?

autocracy to giving democracy a chance

5/8/126:19 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Mitwah,it appear embezzlement; theifery and corruption is alive and well within the camp of the AFC.

Enjoy your orgasm.

Can you tell the difference between Plastic City and Prado 1 & 2 City?

You haven't answered my question: Who got rich and who remained poor during the past 20 years?

5/8/126:21 PM

Former Member

It is puzzling that storm is defending the corruption within the AFC. The AFC's mission statement is that it is a bastion of virtue and fighter of corruption. This case is a threat to the very foundation of what the party stands for, but let us not get ahead of ourselves. Gomattie was robbed of an MP position and then mysteriously burnt. So there is history of corruption in the party already so this is not new news.

5/8/126:23 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Mitwah,it appear embezzlement; theifery and corruption is alive and well within the camp of the AFC.

I do not care if they are the original gangsters from Ol ALi Baba's crew; the PPP got them beat many a country mile. They put the T into thieving.

5/8/126:24 PM

Former Member

Stormborn.... is embezzlement; theifery and corruption within the AFC described as Change?

5/8/126:32 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Stormborn.... is embezzlement; theifery and corruption within the AFC described as Change?

I prefer to shout down those trying to steal 50 billlion as an organized crime family than one petty thief ( if that is the case), The PPP are the porkers we have to watch since they were to a man hapless mangy dogs before they entered office.

5/8/126:46 PM

Former Member

Stormborn in other words you are supporting thievery within the AFC, don't sell your soul young man. you have a conscience

5/8/126:58 PM

randolphSenior Member

JUST AFTER THE ELECTION THE BUSH DACTA SAID HE WAS OWED USD 20,000 BY THE AFC. HE WAS CRYING FOR HIS MONEY AND REWARED WID WAN SEAT.

5/8/127:02 PM

Former Member

The bush doctor is now between a rock and a hard place, the very people he claimed to be representing, its alleged he embezzled funds from them....shame...shame...shame

5/8/127:06 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Stormborn in other words you are supporting thievery within the AFC, don't sell your soul young man. you have a conscience

I am far from being a young man and the AFC being labeled corrupt on the accusation of one man and published by the PPP is hardly a matter to be perturbed about. If there is condoning going on you ought to be looking at Pradovilles

5/8/127:39 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Originally Posted by Conscience:

Stormborn in other words you are supporting thievery within the AFC, don't sell your soul young man. you have a conscience

Storm, you should offer some advice to your friend now in jail.

5/8/128:10 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by Rev Al:

Originally Posted by Conscience:

One wonders how would Gerhard will defend such a fraud within the AFC, with the facts are staring him in the face

Rev

Al,

The AFC is now finished. Crooks.

5/8/128:13 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Ramotar defends NICIL hoarding $$$B

May 8, 2012 | By KNews | Filed Under News

“We are not doing anything illegal as far as that is concerned… None of it is misappropriated and it is audited,” Ramotar

By Gary Eleazar

The Opposition concerns regarding billions of dollars being held in special accounts in the name of the

Head of State Donald Ramotar

National Industrial Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL) and not turned over to the nation’s coffers are seemingly without merit.

At least, this is according to the Head of State, Donald Ramotar, who yesterday said, “I have heard the (opposition) arguments and I am not convinced.”
The President says that as far as he is aware he is not doing anything illegal and NICIL is not breaching the law either.

“We are not doing anything illegal as far as that is concerned,” said Ramotar when asked to respond to increased criticism in recent weeks.

The President said that it is not a case where none of the money ever reaches the Consolidated Fund. When dividends are declared these are paid into the Consolidated Fund, he said.

The President was also adamant that NICIL’s accounts are audited.
President Ramotar said that one of the main concerns relates to the monies held by the Privatisation Unit.

This body is a component of NICIL and responsible for the disposal of state assets. According to the President, the account for this component of NICIL which deals which the largest portion of the money, has been audited.

He said that the audits have been completed up to 2010 but explained that some of the other entities that fall under NICIL are still lagging behind. The result is that the complete report for NICIL is yet to be tabled.

Speaking to some of the problems that would have delayed the reports he said that court litigation in some cases following privatization has hampered the process.

“That’s why some of them have not yet been completed,” said Ramotar and added that “the main area you talk about has been audited.”

The President was adamant that there is a misguided view circulating that the money has somehow been misappropriated.

“None of it is (misappropriated) and it is audited,” said Ramotar.
When pressed on why all of the money is still not being turned over to the Consolidated Fund the President said, “We don’t have to do that because the law allows NICIL to keep that money.”

Ramotar’s comment follows a threat by A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) to move to the courts to force NICIL to have the money placed in the Consolidated Fund.

Alliance for Change Chairman Khemraj Ramjattan has alleged that NICIL could be in the possession of some $50B.

The most recent report available for NICIL is for 2003. At that time there was some $30B in revenue for that year.

In that report by the company’s Executive Director, Winston Brassington, stated in 2002, that having regard to accounting conventions and financial reporting standards, a decision was made to have NICIL comply with such corporate governance strategies “culminating in this Annual Report — the first set of consolidated accounts for the Company.”

Winston Brassington

He said that the issuance of consolidated accounts for NICIL, as a parent company, is dependent on the completion of the audits of its subsidiaries.
He said that the challenges faced to achieve the milestone stemmed primarily from the poor level of preparation of accounts by the subsidiaries coupled with the slow pace of audits generated by the Audit Office of Guyana.

5/8/128:42 PM

Former Member

The AFC die hards here are acting foolishly here by spamming and accusing others of doing so. These guys are desperate.

5/8/128:52 PM

Former Member

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC's mission statement is that it is a bastion of virtue and fighter of corruption.

This case is a threat to the very foundation of what the party stands for, but let us not get ahead of ourselves.

Gomattie was robbed of an MP position and then mysteriously burnt.

So there is history of corruption in the party already so this is not new news.

Interesting information.

5/8/1211:10 PM

Former Member

A well placed source indicated that more revelations are forthcoming...

5/9/126:04 PM

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