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Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
, is to infer that only Black and Indians know how to rule and take care of the resources.


You have this daily late afternoon habit of behaving like a donkey (the correct term is blocked).

 

D2 daily ridicules rule by the coastlanders and how they have destroyed Guyana, as well as the complete contempt that they have for Amerindians.

 

He does not advocate rule by any race.  He desires that Amerindians are treated as equals and that there is serious discussion of their issues.

 

 

The PPP treats non-Indians like charity cases.  They love to find some old black woman in a village and give her a house. They have no interest in listening to what AfroGuyanese say, what issues they deem important, or to ensure that their leaders are allowed to play a role in determining policy.

 

They treat Amerindians even worse.  The PPP tells Guyana what Amerindians want, and then trot out a few tochaos as proof. They never seek input from Amerindian groups. The growth of Indigenous movements throughout the Americas has reached Guyana and they will no longer stand for this.

 

So go and tell your Indo Nazi elite that Indians are less than 50% of the population and so cannot rule Guyana to the exclusion of others.  They need to learn to respect the fact that people have a right to be represented by those for whom they vote.  And not who the PPP selects as token representatives for non Indian groups.

 

The PPP needs to learn that 51% of the country voted against them.  In most other nations they would not be in power as a post election coalition would be running Guyana.  You know full well that the AFC would have chosen the PNC instead of the PPP to form an alliance, pushing the PPP out.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

D2 daily ridicules rule by the coastlanders and how they have destroyed Guyana, as well as the complete contempt that they have for Amerindians.

 

He does not advocate rule by any race.  He desires that Amerindians are treated as equals and that there is serious discussion of their issues.

 

 

The PPP treats non-Indians like charity cases.  They love to find some old black woman in a village and give her a house. They have no interest in listening to what AfroGuyanese say, what issues they deem important, or to ensure that their leaders are allowed to play a role in determining policy.

 

They treat Amerindians even worse.  The PPP tells Guyana what Amerindians want, and then trot out a few tochaos as proof. They never seek input from Amerindian groups. The growth of Indigenous movements throughout the Americas has reached Guyana and they will no longer stand for this.

 

So go and tell your Indo Nazi elite that Indians are less than 50% of the population and so cannot rule Guyana to the exclusion of others.  They need to learn to respect the fact that people have a right to be represented by those for whom they vote.  And not who the PPP selects as token representatives for non Indian groups.

 

The PPP needs to learn that 51% of the country voted against them.  In most other nations they would not be in power as a post election coalition would be running Guyana.  You know full well that the AFC would have chosen the PNC instead of the PPP to form an alliance, pushing the PPP out.

I believe you are the last person that d2 would want to speak on his behalf as you also seek reparations from the Amerindians, a group of people he, a white, has adopted as his pet project. 

 

Your people in the PNC soldiers used to rape the defenseless Amerindians and it is the PPP that elevated their status in Guyana. 

 

What I believe is that neither Black or Indian should be ruling over the Amerindians, they should have their own autonomy to determine what is right for their land. D2 believes this too but he is a coward and will not advocate armed resistance to achieve this end. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

you need to tell yourself you are confused since I did not speak to militarism. Further, those fellows do not make a distinction between the PPP and the PNC since they want non Amerinds off their lands and do not want any soldiers or officials from the government there without prior agreement.

 

You define your "nine yards". Mine is quite distinct from yours. Further, ravi dev proposed similar notions in consociational states and he was opposed for similar reasons by me.

 

Your true colors are coming out, puck puck papaw.

 

Why would you not join a call to arms if you believe that the Amerindians are being robbed of their land. Your courage is only skin deep and in fact it exposes that you are a white pretending to be Amerindian.

I doubt that there are any on this forum that would disagree that Amerindians were the original inhabitants of Guyana and by this virtue should be granted ownership of what is their either by force or petition.

You are a simpleton. Courage is not exemplified in a call to arms but a call to understanding.

 

Also, Amerinds are owners of the land as it coincides to their tribal history. While that claim can extend to all of the territories the agreement was that it would be limited to 25 K sq miles. That has since been whittled down to around 12 with half of that allocated

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

You are a simpleton. Courage is not exemplified in a call to arms but a call to understanding.

 

Also, Amerinds are owners of the land as it coincides to their tribal history. While that claim can extend to all of the territories the agreement was that it would be limited to 25 K sq miles. That has since been whittled down to around 12 with half of that allocated

You are afraid of your own skin if you call to arms. Now Mr Tony James is left out to hang and dry while you continue to twiddle your thumb. Mr Tony James is a doer your are talker. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

You are a simpleton. Courage is not exemplified in a call to arms but a call to understanding.

 

Also, Amerinds are owners of the land as it coincides to their tribal history. While that claim can extend to all of the territories the agreement was that it would be limited to 25 K sq miles. That has since been whittled down to around 12 with half of that allocated

You are afraid of your own skin if you call to arms. Now Mr Tony James is left out to hang and dry while you continue to twiddle your thumb. Mr Tony James is a doer your are talker. 

 

Again dummy, as stated here on numerous occasions I am a pacifist with conditions ie I am not into suicide by letting you kill me because you are greedy. I am for a healthy dose of self defense. However, the occasion as expressed by these gentlemen is a recipe for protracted senseless violence.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Again dummy, as stated here on numerous occasions I am a pacifist with conditions ie I am not into suicide by letting you kill me because you are greedy. I am for a healthy dose of self defense. However, the occasion as expressed by these gentlemen is a recipe for protracted senseless violence.

All of a sudden you become pacifist?  I suspect it is that yellow streak running through the veins. You complain about others taking advantage of the Amerindians yet you sit in your armchair in the West with big talk. Then when push come to shove you leave Mr Tony James to hang out and dry while you claim pacifism. At the very least send the man a few thousand US to buy some bow and arrows. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Again dummy, as stated here on numerous occasions I am a pacifist with conditions ie I am not into suicide by letting you kill me because you are greedy. I am for a healthy dose of self defense. However, the occasion as expressed by these gentlemen is a recipe for protracted senseless violence.

All of a sudden you become pacifist?  I suspect it is that yellow streak running through the veins. You complain about others taking advantage of the Amerindians yet you sit in your armchair in the West with big talk. Then when push come to shove you leave Mr Tony James to hang out and dry while you claim pacifism. At the very least send the man a few thousand US to buy some bow and arrows. 

As noted numerous times, you do live in your head. Others and what they say matters not. You only know what you imaging to be so. Have fun.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

As noted numerous times, you do live in your head. Others and what they say matters not. You only know what you imaging to be so. Have fun.

Not even a 100US you wouldn't send to the man? When you posted his website it seemed you did so with pride, now you run like a wimp. 

Drugb, you are a coward and brainless jackass.

 

     drugabeer

Mitwah
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Again dummy, as stated here on numerous occasions I am a pacifist with conditions ie I am not into suicide by letting you kill me because you are greedy. I am for a healthy dose of self defense. However, the occasion as expressed by these gentlemen is a recipe for protracted senseless violence.

All of a sudden you become pacifist?  I suspect it is that yellow streak running through the veins. You complain about others taking advantage of the Amerindians yet you sit in your armchair in the West with big talk. Then when push come to shove you leave Mr Tony James to hang out and dry while you claim pacifism. At the very least send the man a few thousand US to buy some bow and arrows. 

 I do not pay much attention to what you say so I missed the above. In response all I can say is what I always say; you obviously listen to your own drumming so it cancels out everything else. I stated here often than not that I am a pacifist. You simply do not listen.

 

What does me complaining about injustice has to do with me advocating violence? You are pitiful.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

 I do not pay much attention to what you say so I missed the above. In response all I can say is what I always say; you obviously listen to your own drumming so it cancels out everything else. I stated here often than not that I am a pacifist. You simply do not listen.

 

What does me complaining about injustice has to do with me advocating violence? You are pitiful.

For future reference, let this thread be a testament to how you really would react when push comes to shove, run in a corner and hide in the comfort of your armchair in the West while Mr Tony James take all the risks.  I will be referencing this thread in the future whenever you claim to be an advocated for Amerindian rights. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

 I do not pay much attention to what you say so I missed the above. In response all I can say is what I always say; you obviously listen to your own drumming so it cancels out everything else. I stated here often than not that I am a pacifist. You simply do not listen.

 

What does me complaining about injustice has to do with me advocating violence? You are pitiful.

For future reference, let this thread be a testament to how you really would react when push comes to shove, run in a corner and hide in the comfort of your armchair in the West while Mr Tony James take all the risks.  I will be referencing this thread in the future whenever you claim to be an advocated for Amerindian rights. 

I is indeed a testament but to your stupidity. If I do not agree with his solutions why should I offer support to his cause. In fact, why is there a necessity for me to do anything?

 

But let me make a point, I believe any reform to how things are being done in the Amerind communities would be to build capacity ie organize, train and inculcate the people into the importance of cultural preservation, community decision making for their betterment and the need to act as a group. If this gentleman cared to resist the government paternalism he can begin to build a sense of unity from the grass roots.

 

To mobilize a people you need to fortify the myths  of who they are, formalize their ideology of self worth grounded on  a means to end schema for best outcome. That grounding should be with  the  pride and the commitment that is the lure to the project. This should be easily identified and understood through personalized symbols and langage  to solidify in the oneness of  group and what the movement is about. Why would such strategies need armed resistance in light of the fact that community driven needs based ends are always in pursuit of peace?

FM
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Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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Your people in the PNC soldiers used to rape the defenseless Amerindians and it is the PPP that elevated their status in Guyana. 

 

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And rich Indians also rape Amerindian girls, often minors.  They also rape poor Indian girls from rural areas.

 

I will admit to abuse by PNC soldiers.  You will deny abuse by rich PPP supporters.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

I is indeed a testament but to your stupidity. If I do not agree with his solutions why should I offer support to his cause. In fact, why is there a necessity for me to do anything?

 

But let me make a point, I believe any reform to how things are being done in the Amerind communities would be to build capacity ie organize, train and inculcate the people into the importance of cultural preservation, community decision making for their betterment and the need to act as a group. If this gentleman cared to resist the government paternalism he can begin to build a sense of unity from the grass roots.

 

To mobilize a people you need to fortify the myths  of who they are, formalize their ideology of self worth grounded on  a means to end schema for best outcome. That grounding should be with  the  pride and the commitment that is the lure to the project. This should be easily identified and understood through personalized symbols and langage  to solidify in the oneness of  group and what the movement is about. Why would such strategies need armed resistance in light of the fact that community driven needs based ends are always in pursuit of peace?

So you are saying that the Amerindians don't know who they are? Spoken like a true white man, no Amerindian would even have to think about whether they are the rightful owners of Guyana. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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Your people in the PNC soldiers used to rape the defenseless Amerindians and it is the PPP that elevated their status in Guyana. 

 

.


And rich Indians also rape Amerindian girls, often minors.  They also rape poor Indian girls from rural areas.

 

I will admit to abuse by PNC soldiers.  You will deny abuse by rich PPP supporters.

Don't know about your claim of rich Indians, why would they want to rape Amerindians from all the way in Georgetown when they have the local hookers and sweet women to satiate their sexual desires? The PNC soldiers were stationed in the bush and had motive and opportunity to rape the Amerindians, which rich Indians were in the bush and doing what there??? 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
.

Your people in the PNC soldiers used to rape the defenseless Amerindians and it is the PPP that elevated their status in Guyana. 

 

.


And rich Indians also rape Amerindian girls, often minors.  They also rape poor Indian girls from rural areas.

 

I will admit to abuse by PNC soldiers.  You will deny abuse by rich PPP supporters.

Show us the proof.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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Your people in the PNC soldiers used to rape the defenseless Amerindians and it is the PPP that elevated their status in Guyana. 

 

.


And rich Indians also rape Amerindian girls, often minors.  They also rape poor Indian girls from rural areas.

 

I will admit to abuse by PNC soldiers.  You will deny abuse by rich PPP supporters.

Show us the proof.

You're poof

cain
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

So you are saying that the Amerindians don't know who they are? Spoken like a true white man, no Amerindian would even have to think about whether they are the rightful owners of Guyana. 

 Stupid posts like that is not uncommon of you. Here you are asking a question nowhere ever possible to be made from my writing and answering it all by yourself.

 

You are and example the reason the PPP will lose. Relying on manufactured stories is never a winning strategy. Lies like yours are easily disinfected.

FM
The chronicle apparently did not do due diligence to their story that is the topic of this thread. They did not even try to contact the party being spoken of in the above letter. Apparently the PPP dark arts department is it full throttle concocting a  necromantic mixture to dull the senses of the population to its propaganda campaign against the APA.




Character was besmirched

Dear Editor,

I wish to respond to a letter by Noel Antone published in the Guyana Chronicle of  June 7, 2013 captioned ‘Strange happenings in South Rupununi’ in which he makes several misleading and mischievous statements about me.

Firstly I find it strange that Noel Antone says he is a resident of the South Rupununi, and chooses to use the Chronicle to express his so-called concerns about my supposed involvement in a group calling itself the Amerindian Peoples Liberation Front rather than ask me whether this is true or not.  I would like to know which village in the South Rupununi he is from so I can meet him to provide him with the facts, and I dare him to identify one person who has heard me speak on behalf of the so-called APLF or of wishing to create a state within a state.

Secondly, I find it even stranger and perhaps irresponsible that the Chronicle would publish such a letter without verifying the truth of its contents. Am I to understand that the paper has now taken on the role of besmirching a person’s character to sell news?

I am the proud Vice-President of the Amerindian Peoples Association (APA) and also a permanent resident of Aishalton Village, Deep South Rupununi. I follow the objectives of the organisation and Mr Antone and the Chronicle are free to look at these any time to inform themselves as to my aims and objectives as an indigenous Guyanese.

I am not a member of the Amerindian Liberation Front, I am not privy to any declarations by the group and I therefore cannot speak on behalf of it. As a Guyanese I have the right to belong to a political party whether it is APNU, AFC, PPP or whatever, and will support any party that recognises and respects the rights of the indigenous peoples of this land of ours we call Guyana.

As someone who had travelled throughout the Deep South of Guyana, I am aware that the major concern of the residents is the outstanding land issues including land extensions and the extractive activities that are increasingly being promoted on our lands. Noel Antone should be more concerned about the social and environmental consequences of poor mining practices on our people than on seeking his few moments of fame through the selling of lies.

In conclusion, I note the use of sensational language such as “harassing and molesting” people to support a “state within a state” through “an armed conflict.” I have concluded that these are all moves to cause confusion among our people and the work of some disgruntled detractors who cannot get his/her own way with our people.

As a resident of the Deep South I am aware that there are moves afoot to destabilise the communities, to the extent of pitting one community against another and besmirching peoples’ character, among other things, which will soon come to light.

I have some doubts as to whether or not Noel Antone actually exists so I would be happy to meet with this person to clear this up.

Yours faithfully,
Tony James
Vice-President
APA
FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

Don't know about your claim of rich Indians, why would they want to rape Amerindians from all the way in Georgetown when they have the local hookers and sweet women to satiate their sexual desires? The PNC soldiers were stationed in the bush and had motive and opportunity to rape the Amerindians, which rich Indians were in the bush and doing what there??? 


The rich Indians hire Amerindians as maids and then rape them.  There was ahuge scandal a few years ago which was much discussed on GNI.

 

You see you do not want tourism in the interior so these women have few opportunities, aside from traveling to the coast.

 

BTW they do the same to country INDIAN girls coming to Gtwn for similar reasons.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Looks like Tony James got cold feet as the afc/pnc crafted a response for him in this letter. I could have sworn he was another Geronimo.

No.  It is YOUR PPP telling lies as usual.  You see the PPP thinks that they own Amerindians and so any who do not think they way that they wish them to they try to destroy their character.  Much as they do to blacks and especially Indians like Nagamootoo.

 

I am not surprised at this PPP lie.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

The rich Indians hire Amerindians as maids and then rape them.  There was ahuge scandal a few years ago which was much discussed on GNI.

 

You see you do not want tourism in the interior so these women have few opportunities, aside from traveling to the coast.

 

BTW they do the same to country INDIAN girls coming to Gtwn for similar reasons.

Again, never heard of these claims except from you, a hater of Indians. I have rich family in Guyana and they never had Amerindians as maids. They would employ them to caretakers of lands, farms and gold miners. Not as maids in their homes as they would not know how to cook curry and other traditional Indian foods. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

No.  It is YOUR PPP telling lies as usual.  You see the PPP thinks that they own Amerindians and so any who do not think they way that they wish them to they try to destroy their character.  Much as they do to blacks and especially Indians like Nagamootoo.

 

I am not surprised at this PPP lie.

In fact if you were a rational person you would note that this is a battle between two letter writers. One allegedly inciting a revolution and the other raising the alarm. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

Again, never heard of these claims except from you, a hater of Indians.


You dont even know what 10% of 43% so who cares what you have not heard about.

 

FACT is that there is wide spread raping of females in Guyana and those who are most impacted are Amerindians.  Most of these women are either domestics or in gold mines.

 

ANd just as I am honest about the abuse that Amerindians have suffered at the hands of black gold miners and soldiers you need to admit the same about rich Indo business people.  You do know what part of the "interview" is, and what they must do to keep their jobs.  And they rape Indian girls too.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

No.  It is YOUR PPP telling lies as usual.  You see the PPP thinks that they own Amerindians and so any who do not think they way that they wish them to they try to destroy their character.  Much as they do to blacks and especially Indians like Nagamootoo.

 

I am not surprised at this PPP lie.

In fact if you were a rational person you would note that this is a battle between two letter writers. One allegedly inciting a revolution and the other raising the alarm. 


Of course the PPP letter writer wants to damage the reputation of an Amerindian leader who disagrees with the PPP.  We saw all of that with Kissoon, Ramjattan and now Nagamotoo.  And with Eric Phillips and others.  Pure character assassination.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
The chronicle apparently did not do due diligence to their story that is the topic of this thread. They did not even try to contact the party being spoken of in the above letter. Apparently the PPP dark arts department is it full throttle concocting a  necromantic mixture to dull the senses of the population to its propaganda campaign against the APA.




Character was besmirched

Dear Editor,

I wish to respond to a letter by Noel Antone published in the Guyana Chronicle of  June 7, 2013 captioned ‘Strange happenings in South Rupununi’ in which he makes several misleading and mischievous statements about me.

Firstly I find it strange that Noel Antone says he is a resident of the South Rupununi, and chooses to use the Chronicle to express his so-called concerns about my supposed involvement in a group calling itself the Amerindian Peoples Liberation Front rather than ask me whether this is true or not.  I would like to know which village in the South Rupununi he is from so I can meet him to provide him with the facts, and I dare him to identify one person who has heard me speak on behalf of the so-called APLF or of wishing to create a state within a state.

Secondly, I find it even stranger and perhaps irresponsible that the Chronicle would publish such a letter without verifying the truth of its contents. Am I to understand that the paper has now taken on the role of besmirching a person’s character to sell news?

I am the proud Vice-President of the Amerindian Peoples Association (APA) and also a permanent resident of Aishalton Village, Deep South Rupununi. I follow the objectives of the organisation and Mr Antone and the Chronicle are free to look at these any time to inform themselves as to my aims and objectives as an indigenous Guyanese.

I am not a member of the Amerindian Liberation Front, I am not privy to any declarations by the group and I therefore cannot speak on behalf of it. As a Guyanese I have the right to belong to a political party whether it is APNU, AFC, PPP or whatever, and will support any party that recognises and respects the rights of the indigenous peoples of this land of ours we call Guyana.

As someone who had travelled throughout the Deep South of Guyana, I am aware that the major concern of the residents is the outstanding land issues including land extensions and the extractive activities that are increasingly being promoted on our lands. Noel Antone should be more concerned about the social and environmental consequences of poor mining practices on our people than on seeking his few moments of fame through the selling of lies.

In conclusion, I note the use of sensational language such as “harassing and molesting” people to support a “state within a state” through “an armed conflict.” I have concluded that these are all moves to cause confusion among our people and the work of some disgruntled detractors who cannot get his/her own way with our people.

As a resident of the Deep South I am aware that there are moves afoot to destabilise the communities, to the extent of pitting one community against another and besmirching peoples’ character, among other things, which will soon come to light.

I have some doubts as to whether or not Noel Antone actually exists so I would be happy to meet with this person to clear this up.

Yours faithfully,
Tony James
Vice-President
APA

Isn't this great???  The PPP guys at full throttle with their lie upon lie followed another.

Nehru's SWEET SWEEEEEET GUYANA.

cain
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

You dont even know what 10% of 43% so who cares what you have not heard about.

 

FACT is that there is wide spread raping of females in Guyana and those who are most impacted are Amerindians.  Most of these women are either domestics or in gold mines.

 

ANd just as I am honest about the abuse that Amerindians have suffered at the hands of black gold miners and soldiers you need to admit the same about rich Indo business people.  You do know what part of the "interview" is, and what they must do to keep their jobs.  And they rape Indian girls too.

It is interesting that you want me to admit to "rich Indo raping Amerindians" when I have never heard of this. I can only attest of what I heard about, and that is Amerindians being exploited raped and beaten by PNC soldiers.  If you know this as fact then that is your belief, don't try to force it down my throat just because you want to excuse the behavior of your brothers in the army.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

You dont even know what 10% of 43% so who cares what you have not heard about.

 

FACT is that there is wide spread raping of females in Guyana and those who are most impacted are Amerindians.  Most of these women are either domestics or in gold mines.

 

ANd just as I am honest about the abuse that Amerindians have suffered at the hands of black gold miners and soldiers you need to admit the same about rich Indo business people.  You do know what part of the "interview" is, and what they must do to keep their jobs.  And they rape Indian girls too.

It is interesting that you want me to admit to "rich Indo raping Amerindians" when I have never heard of this. I can only attest of what I heard about, and that is Amerindians being exploited raped and beaten by PNC soldiers.  If you know this as fact then that is your belief, don't try to force it down my throat just because you want to excuse the behavior of your brothers in the army.


Druggie you never heard that 10% of 43% is 4.3% so I really dont care what else you dont know.

FM

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