The Sauds were overthrown before by the Turks.  They ended up in 7 tents on the Kuwaiti Royal Family land in Kuwait with a monthly stipend of $30 British Pounds provided by the Ottoman Turkish Royal Family.  The Sauds will fight to the last man, woman and child before they go back to that existence again. 

What existence? They were desert rats until the British made them monarchs.

They may be desert rats.  But they are the leaders of the largest tribe in Arabia.  They controlled the largest area in Arabia for centuries until the Turks run them out of Arabia and before the British came to Arabia.

they made every nation in the region. Maybe the new events unfolding there will remake them in to a whole. Islam was not enough to do it for them. 

Actually Islam did not come to the Saud family. They created their own version and used it to "own" Mecca by force and religious fanaticism.

I am speaking of the peninsula as a whole ( and adjoining states). In any event, if the Saudis are a bogus brand of Islam why is it our Guyanese Muslims are so intent on remaking themselves in their image?

Non of these people like Gaddafi or Mubarak ever experienced overthrow.  The Sauds experience it before so they know what to do to prevent it from happening to them again.

If the people cannot be held together by some social ethic, some summoning creed, then it matters not what the rulers do. Just as water must find a way downstream so will a people in their determination  to dethrone a monarch if  the converging social gravity is strong enough.

Mecca and Medina should be separate states in the way Vatican City is for Christians. It is abhorrent to see one of the most corrupt families on earth, the house of Saud, claiming to be the guardians of the holly sites.

if you think the Sauds are saints here is a brief outline of their rise. Mecca and Medina were under the control of the Sharif of Mecca, a descendant of the prophet and Banu Hashim clan.  The Saud clan was a relatinely small clan in an oasis town in the desert. The alliance between the Saud clan and Wahab is what caused the Saudis to rise to prominence and gain power. Wahab warriors conquered Mecca and Medina and ousted the Sharif. They destroyed the tombs of the prophet, robbed the treasury of  the prophet mosque, and burnt every book in the libraries except the Quran.  They forced the men to grow beards and the women to be vieled.  The Sauds were in bed with these extremists.   Also under the Anglo-Saudi treaty, the British funded and aided the Saudis to capture the Arabian peninsula from Ottoman control.  With British help, the Sauds took over Mecca and Medina and executed 40,000 men imposing the Wahab doctrine over the population and created the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia.  And then, of course, they discovered oil. One of the Sauds was even given a knighthood by the British.

Do we have "real" countries? The modern state is 200 years old. Every  nation from Russia to India to the US to Aftica, China and the ME are geopolitical constructs that only recently concretized.

You just made me realise that there are countries older than 2000 years, such as Spain, Palestine, Greece, and Egypt

I agree without covert British support the Sauds would never been able to defeat all those tribes plus the Turkish army.  After they were force to flee to Kuwait they started their fight back with 200 men which was reduced to 40 men in a matter of three months.  Yet with 40 men they were able to capture the city of Riyadh and defeat the Al Rashidi Tribe. Then in a few months after that they were ready to take on and defeat the Turkish army.  Without British covert support to the Sauds and their tribe, they would have never been able to take on all those tribes and the Turkish army then defeat them. 

There was nothing covert about British support for the Saudi tribe. There was a very open and frontal war against the Ottoman empire. In Australia there is a day when they commemorate the death 20,000 Aussies and Wikies in Gallipoli wearing British uniforms and fighting to dismantle the Ottoman control of the region. Around 40,000 Turks were slaughtered in Gallipoli.

The selection of the small Saudi tribe was based on the ability of the British to manipulate them by making them totally dependent on British protection. You couldn't achieve that If you picked a more representative tribe. But they were tribes and therefore very primitive in their culture and affairs. That primitive culture is maintained until today also thanks to the support of the Americans. Arabia under the Saudis is perhaps the only country in the world without a constitution. The House of Saud manages the kingdom as their private property as if it belonged to them not to the people.

The House of Saud ruled the Saudi kingdom long before the British or the Ottomans got there. Go read your history.

 

The Ottomans overthrew the Saudis by force and they themselves were overthrown a few years later. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Which kingdom? The kingdom was established in 1932. In 1914 Saud aligned himself with the British who paid him a monthly subsidy as well as arms and financing.

Kingdom, state, country, whatever you want to call it. The First Saudi State was established in 1744. The House of Saud were the rulers. This was ages before the British or the Ottomans arrived there. The House of Saud rulers were subsequently overthrown and went into exile in Kuwait from where they launched a successful attempt to regain leadership with the help of the British.

You are talking about the Saud/wahabi tribal dynasty that overran the Arabian peninsula. Western historians call them a state, but they were in fact tribal warlords that did in fact control the peninsula until their viciousness in Karbala, and other atrocities caused their downfall. But, yes, they were there in the vast desert regions not controlled by the Ottomans.

My point is that those primitive tribes would never had a country if it wasn't for the British and they keep it today because of the Americans. Leave them alone without the protection of the Americans and their towel heads roll down like rotten tomatoes.