Ali maintains PPP/C’s plans to reopen sugar estates sound

And with much revenue anticipated from the bourgeoning oil and gas sector,Ali, an economist, said that he will channel those monies into diversification of the agriculture sector

How come Freedom House said there will be pittance from oil ?

Django posted:

And with much revenue anticipated from the bourgeoning oil and gas sector,Ali, an economist, said that he will channel those monies into diversification of the agriculture sector

 

How come Freedom House said there will be pittance from oil ?

Congress Place has the books and is showing their hand, if them can make promises so can the 15 political parties.

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Another pie in the sky dream by the destroyers of the Sugar Industry. You all should read the recommendations for the survival of the Sugar Industry.

Stop fooling the Guyanese people especially the ones of East Indian descent.

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Another pie in the sky dream by the destroyers of the Sugar Industry. You all should read the recommendations for the survival of the Sugar Industry.

Stop fooling the East Indian people.

Sugar is viable!  It’s no pie in the sky!

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Another pie in the sky dream by the destroyers of the Sugar Industry. You all should read the recommendations for the survival of the Sugar Industry.

Stop fooling the East Indian people.

Sugar is viable!  It’s no pie in the sky!

If it was in Guyana , how the heck it's not profitable ,don't bring the hogwash about spin offs.

The industry need to be down sized and mechanized . The recent move to produce white sugar for the domestic and Caribbean market is excellent.

Our people shouldn't be cane cutters , it's modern time get educated , our ancestors and descendants, have slaved enough in that industry.

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Another pie in the sky dream by the destroyers of the Sugar Industry. You all should read the recommendations for the survival of the Sugar Industry.

Stop fooling the Guyanese people especially the ones of East Indian descent.

I am no interested in reading any proposition. I know implicitly that the demise of sugar everywhere in the Caribbean is a product of US market strangulation combined with the lack of diversity of the producers who never got off the bandwagon of producing one raw material that othes use to produce a variety of other products, all of which we need in an expanding economy. A down sized, diversified sugar industry can support as many worker base as it did in the past. Trusting the PPP or th the PNC to do it is another story. Neither ever were a success at any of the 10 major state run enterprises in their entire history. I even doubt they can manage oil 

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Sean posted:

Aile will subsidize sugar. People will get wuk and money will flow back into economy. In addition, sugar is a forex earner. 

You are talking crap. We need it to work not to earn foreign exchange. Oil will bring that. We need a viable agriculture base. We need the estates to be operable and viable. 

The oil will help with infrastructure, etc.  forex earnings of sugar will be critical in ensuring the viability of sugar. 

Another pie in the sky dream by the destroyers of the Sugar Industry. You all should read the recommendations for the survival of the Sugar Industry.

Stop fooling the East Indian people.

Sugar is viable!  It’s no pie in the sky!

If it was in Guyana , how the heck it's not profitable ,don't bring the hogwash about spin offs.

The industry need to be down sized and mechanized . The recent move to produce white sugar for the domestic and Caribbean market is excellent.

Our people shouldn't be cane cutters , it's modern time get educated , our ancestors and descendants, have slaved enough in that industry.

Total hogwash.  You don’t know of what you speak!

You have no idea of the implications of mechanization.  It was explored since the 70’s and never undertaken!  Even Bookers never mechanized in the face of a militant labor climate!

You talk is simplistic terms and have no clue of the details!

Baseman posted:

 

Total hogwash.  You don’t know of what you speak!

You have no idea of the implications of mechanization.  It was explored since the 70’s and never undertaken!  Even Bookers never mechanized in the face of a militant labor climate!

You talk is simplistic terms and have no clue of the details!

What implications ? it's working currently in the south of the USA.

I saw a test run at Uitvlugt Estate , in the early 70's , the cane was too chipped up for the loaders to grab  and the ratoon was cut too low. Current day the machines are tweaked to off set the problems.

Your thinking modern day industrial technology ,aren't applicable to Guyana , is backward thinking.

Below is how it's done by mechanization

We know how it’s done.  It was being done for decades yet even Bookers never did!  Burnham, faced with massive strikes, never did!

You are simplistic!

Baseman posted:

We know how it’s done.  It was being done for decades yet even Bookers never did!  Burnham, faced with massive strikes, never did!

You are simplistic!

Bookers never had the chance, their operations was nationalized.

The simplicity are in your statements , no wonder the country is backwards since independence , visionless folks and destabilizes roaming the land as rulers.

All they are interested are in power, perks and fat pensions. Can one imagine the folks can't manage a simple Local Authority with a few hundreds of inhabitants.

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

We know how it’s done.  It was being done for decades yet even Bookers never did!  Burnham, faced with massive strikes, never did!

You are simplistic!

Bookers never had the chance, their operations was nationalized.

The simplicity are in your statements , no wonder the country is backwards since independence , visionless folks and destabilizes roaming the land as rulers.

All they are interested are in power, perks and fat pensions. Can one imagine the folks can't manage a simple Local Authority with a few hundreds of inhabitants.

Banna, stop with your stupidness!  Mechanization was there well before nationalization! Burnham, facing the politically influential and powerful GAWU, embarked on a study to do just that.   This was under the leadership of Harold Davis(Sr).  It did not work out.  My dad was there, he saw the viability study.  PPP did the same and brought in harvesters, it did not work.  The issue is more complicated than you think!

Oi Baseman, Nehru's neiba say you talkin stupidness now. Jes sayin.

cain posted:

Oi Baseman, Nehru's neiba say you talkin stupidness now. Jes sayin.

Bai, guy tell a pull and relax!

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

We know how it’s done.  It was being done for decades yet even Bookers never did!  Burnham, faced with massive strikes, never did!

You are simplistic!

Bookers never had the chance, their operations was nationalized.

The simplicity are in your statements , no wonder the country is backwards since independence , visionless folks and destabilizes roaming the land as rulers.

All they are interested are in power, perks and fat pensions. Can one imagine the folks can't manage a simple Local Authority with a few hundreds of inhabitants.

Banna, stop with your stupidness!  Mechanization was there well before nationalization! Burnham, facing the politically influential and powerful GAWU, embarked on a study to do just that.   This was under the leadership of Harold Davis(Sr).  It did not work out.  My dad was there, he saw the viability study.  PPP did the same and brought in harvesters, it did not work.

 The issue is more complicated than you think!

So what are the issues ?  tell we so an exploration can be made to resolve such.

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Baseman posted:

We know how it’s done.  It was being done for decades yet even Bookers never did!  Burnham, faced with massive strikes, never did!

You are simplistic!

Bookers never had the chance, their operations was nationalized.

The simplicity are in your statements , no wonder the country is backwards since independence , visionless folks and destabilizes roaming the land as rulers.

All they are interested are in power, perks and fat pensions. Can one imagine the folks can't manage a simple Local Authority with a few hundreds of inhabitants.

Banna, stop with your stupidness!  Mechanization was there well before nationalization! Burnham, facing the politically influential and powerful GAWU, embarked on a study to do just that.   This was under the leadership of Harold Davis(Sr).  It did not work out.  My dad was there, he saw the viability study.  PPP did the same and brought in harvesters, it did not work.

 The issue is more complicated than you think!

So what are the issues ?  tell we so an exploration can be made to resolve such.

Access the study done in the mid 70s and you will see!  It’s well laid out in there!  Was signed off by Harold Davis!

Anyway, our servers are back up and running, so back to work. Short week, company close Thursday/Friday!

With a 36 percent decline in sugar prices we need to be careful how we forecast the numbers to ensure this is profitable.  Also if we will be taking oil profits to subsidize the sugar industry we have to be careful not to keep pouring money into a ‘black hole’.  Sugar will definitely earn us forex though.

alena06 posted:

With a 36 percent decline in sugar prices we need to be careful how we forecast the numbers to ensure this is profitable.  Also if we will be taking oil profits to subsidize the sugar industry we have to be careful not to keep pouring money into a ‘black hole’.  Sugar will definitely earn us forex though.

What is wrong with subsidizing sugar? America does for sugar cane and beets. They even subsidize the oil industry which makes billions of dollars of profits. Granger was going to give his supporters welfare off of the oil.

skeldon_man posted:

alena06 posted:

With a 36 percent decline in sugar prices we need to be careful how we forecast the numbers to ensure this is profitable.  Also if we will be taking oil profits to subsidize the sugar industry we have to be careful not to keep pouring money into a ‘black hole’.  Sugar will definitely earn us forex though.

What is wrong with subsidizing sugar? America does for sugar cane and beets. They even subsidize the oil industry which makes billions of dollars of profits. Granger was going to give his supporters welfare off of the oil.

Do not just apply the American model carte-Blanche to Guyana!  America apply subsidies as part of their investment is domestic food security.  The govt must ensure excess production and, as such, profits go to zero.  Govt support plugs the gap.  The excess production is then dumped onto the spot market at marginal cost+.  

I learned all this shyte in Economics Basics in high school in Guyana in lil shitabatty CGGSS taught by lil Coolie bai Ramlakhan. WTR were you people learning?

However, subsidy of sugar in Guyana is warranted for a totally different reason!  As long as sugar is mostly exported and a Forex earner, then domestic subsidies are ok!  You have to look at the larger picture and not myopically at sugar as a stand-alone!  For this reason, you need to be careful introducing “imported” costs into the value chain in the guise of cost reduction, then you risk destroying the viability!

America applies subsidies as part of its investment in domestic food security.  And govt must ensure excess production and, as such, profits go to zero. 

Isn't this true of Guyana? Isn't there a trickle-down effect?

skeldon_man posted:

America applies subsidies as part of its investment in domestic food security.  And govt must ensure excess production and, as such, profits go to zero. 

Isn't this true of Guyana? Isn't there a trickle-down effect?

Read my entire statement.  Most of Guyana’s sugar production is for export and Forex.  It’s not for Domestic food security!  The subsidy has different justification!

Burnham tried that Model in Guyana with edoes, plantain, cassava, etc.  But ayuh coolies cuss he!😀

Baseman posted:

skeldon_man posted:

America applies subsidies as part of its investment in domestic food security.  And govt must ensure excess production and, as such, profits go to zero. 

Isn't this true of Guyana? Isn't there a trickle-down effect?

Read my entire statement.  Most of Guyana’s sugar production is for export and Forex.  It’s not for Domestic food security!  The subsidy has different justification!

Burnham tried that Model in Guyana with edoes, plantain, cassava, etc.  But ayuh coolies cuss he!😀

So what do the workers do with their money? Put in the bank and save it? They did not spend it so the other industries benefit?

skeldon_man posted:

Baseman posted:

skeldon_man posted:

America applies subsidies as part of its investment in domestic food security.  And govt must ensure excess production and, as such, profits go to zero. 

Isn't this true of Guyana? Isn't there a trickle-down effect?

Read my entire statement.  Most of Guyana’s sugar production is for export and Forex.  It’s not for Domestic food security!  The subsidy has different justification!

Burnham tried that Model in Guyana with edoes, plantain, cassava, etc.  But ayuh coolies cuss he!😀

So what do the workers do with their money? Put in the bank and save it? They did not spend it so the other industries benefit?

Banna, get with what I’m say.  You throwing spaghetti!  It’s justified because of the Forex component!  

If domestic food security was the primary goal, then we need enough cane fields for one good factory!   Not sure what point you are trying to make!

Ayuh read the attached report  on GUYSUCO , that Industry became a basket case.

Irfaan blowing hot air !!!

DJ, come on man. You have to say Dr Ali. 
Addressing him accordingly is a form of humility and respect. Juss like Dr. Jagdeo. 
Wen you go to you family doctor, you does call he “ai bai” ?

Even if the sugar industry was not profitable, the coalition had no right diverting its funding to the unprofitable and incompetent coalition ministers salaries. That was the real sin.

Kascz, the DUMb PNC will realise in 20 yeras that they are DUMMIES. Remember the Railroad, they BRUP it up and was asking the Indians to see id dem can mek am back!! Bloody DUMb IDIOTS!!!