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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama sought on Saturday to cast himself as a strong leader on foreign policy, highlighting a pullout from Iraq and the death of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi as success stories.
In a message Obama is likely to push in his 2012 re-election campaign, he said his leadership had made it possible to turn the page on a decade of war and refocus on bolstering the economy and paying down the national debt.
Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address that Gaddafi's death and the announcement that all U.S. troops would be removed from Iraq this year were "powerful reminders of how we've renewed American leadership in the world."
The emphasis on foreign policy comes as confidence in Obama's stewardship of the economy has fallen sharply, causing his overall approval ratings to slide to around 42 percent, the lowest of his presidency.
With the economy's woes weighing heavily on Americans' minds, Obama may have trouble gaining political traction from his message on foreign policy.
The killing in May of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden by a U.S. Navy Seal team in Pakistan brought only a temporary boost to Obama's poll numbers.
Obama mentioned bin Laden in the radio speech and said victories against al Qaeda -- along with the policies toward Iraq and Libya -- were "part of a larger story" of success.

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Israel is not the be all and end all of US as a global power. The recent turmoil in the ME, fall of Gadhafi, etc has little or nothing to do with them. The Israelis would have prefered Mubarak in power over the current guys.

The fact that the US could tilt the direction of such uprisings, in Egypt with sheer words and in Libya with a little fire power and hardly a reaction from China and Russia tells the real power of the US. The power and influence of the US is on the upswing.
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Case in point!


Afghanistan to back Pakistan if wars with U.S.: Karzai
By Augustine Anthony | Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.

The remarks were in sharp contrast to recent tension between the two neighbors over cross-border raids, and Afghan accusations that Pakistan was involved in killing the chief Afghan peace envoy, former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, by a suicide bomber on September 20.

"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.

"If Pakistan is attacked and if the people of Pakistan needs Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."
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Originally posted by TI:
Case in point!


Afghanistan to back Pakistan if wars with U.S.: Karzai
By Augustine Anthony | Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.

The remarks were in sharp contrast to recent tension between the two neighbors over cross-border raids, and Afghan accusations that Pakistan was involved in killing the chief Afghan peace envoy, former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, by a suicide bomber on September 20.

"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.

"If Pakistan is attacked and if the people of Pakistan needs Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."

You can bet this is theatrics to boost relations between Pak and Afgan. If the US decides to act against Pak, that little baren landscape called Afgan cannot do shyte. Any action against Pak will be a US/India issue.
However, I don't see the US doing such a thing as the Paks are cooperating more than is being made public. Paks are hardballing to get a bigger role in Afgan politics to try to trump Afgan's relations with India.
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Originally posted by TI:
That little barren landscape is presently the biggest thorn in the side of the U.S. and produces the best ground fighters in the world.
I cannot see how Pakistan will ever fully cooperate with the U.S. since the Taliban has full control of them.

True, never fully, but enough to prevent them being a strategic threat. Regarding Afgan, it was Al Qaeda which posed the threat thru international terrorism. I see Afgan becoming less and less relevant as we knock off the heads of the serpent. This war will move to a diferent stage of a continuous policing role, hitting them where ever they are found.
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Originally posted by baseman:
Israel is not the be all and end all of US as a global power.
Correct. The UK is the be all and end all. They say "invade!" and the US says "which country?" And at this stage of the financial collapse, the Brits are kicking over the chessboard. They are interested in as much chaos and instability as possible, so it will be "regime change" on top of "regime change."
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
I see Afgan becoming less and less relevant as we knock off the heads of the serpent. This war will move to a diferent stage of a continuous policing role, hitting them where ever they are found.
They are looking in all the wrong places.

Well, they got OBL, Al-Wiki, guys in Somalia, Pak, etc. Dem bais gatt nuff hiding ground, but they getting dissed one after the other.
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Israel is not the be all and end all of US as a global power.
Correct. The UK is the be all and end all. They say "invade!" and the US says "which country?" And at this stage of the financial collapse, the Brits are kicking over the chessboard. They are interested in as much chaos and instability as possible, so it will be "regime change" on top of "regime change."

Oh, so now its the UK. Tell me which nation was attacked by the US at the behest of the UK?
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Israel is not the be all and end all of US as a global power.
Correct. The UK is the be all and end all. They say "invade!" and the US says "which country?" And at this stage of the financial collapse, the Brits are kicking over the chessboard. They are interested in as much chaos and instability as possible, so it will be "regime change" on top of "regime change."

Oh, so now its the UK. Tell me which nation was attacked by the US at the behest of the UK?


Well for openers, Iraq -- twice. Don't you recall how George Bush I balked at invading, so Margaret Thatcher flew over to "stiffen his resolve" (her interesting choice of words)? And then Tony Blair ran the operation with the forged documents to persuade the hapless George W that there were WMD in Iraq.

And then there was Libya .
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by baseman:
I see Afgan becoming less and less relevant as we knock off the heads of the serpent. This war will move to a diferent stage of a continuous policing role, hitting them where ever they are found.
They are looking in all the wrong places.

Well, they got OBL, Al-Wiki, guys in Somalia, Pak, etc. Dem bais gatt nuff hiding ground, but they getting dissed one after the other.


Low level, expendable types.
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I thought it was NATO, and Iraq is a mess. The US should be ashamed to even mention the word Iraq. The people who are rebeling and dying in the Mideast countries are natives not Americans.


BTW, do you think the new govts of Egypt and Libya are in love with the US?


Big Grin Big Grin wait lil naa...see how Iraq kicking dem ass out now cheers
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by TI:
I thought it was NATO, and Iraq is a mess. The US should be ashamed to even mention the word Iraq. The people who are rebeling and dying in the Mideast countries are natives not Americans.


BTW, do you think the new govts of Egypt and Libya are in love with the US?


Big Grin Big Grin wait lil naa...see how Iraq kicking dem ass out now cheers

Iraq is lost....to Iran.
FM
Bear in mind that the reason Bin Laden, Gadaffi and others are being executed Mafia-style is to prevent them from telling what they know about their past relationships to the governments of the US and the UK. Much of this is on the public record; Bin Laden is known to have received over $2 billion from the US back in the 80s. Gadaffi was being feted by the cream of the British political establishment weeks before they suddenly turned on him. But if these fellows were to be put on trial, there might be new and more embarrassing revelations. So they are simply bumped off, rubbed out, whacked.
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