Rev is out of line. Most Black Americans are people of integrity, unlike some Guyanese Blacks who prefer mo fiah slow fiah to resolve issues. 

How about Storm attacking Indo Guyanese and calling them clannish ? How about his attacks on other peoples mothers and sisters. How about his support for extremists in Linden ?

He is the racist one. This is a political duscussion forum. Storm defended calling Indo Guyanese the "c" word.

Shame on Storm.

Al did not use the "n" word. We must preserve freedom of speech. 

I have little qualms in calling you a low life racist scumbag. First, "clannisn" is caribj's word. I have no bone with his use of it. I however argued with him on account of the fact  the etymology of the word does not make its applicability to any particular group unique. It pertains to culture or people-hood of geographically and temporally isolated groups forging identity.

The only extremist in linden are the ones in the heads of the crooks in the PPP who need to dissimulate to place blame for a careless act; murdering protestors.

I do not know your mother would have had any input into you being oxygen starved in the womb. I was postulating a reason for your chronic idiocy. YOu thinking that the suggestion  you were possibly a blue baby is attacking your mother reflects on your stupid belief system.

As for calling Indians "coolies"; the record here will show and Drugb can affirm if he cares;  I am among the very few who sided with the idea of adding the word to the site's list of banned words.  I lost as most Indians here insist the use of the word "coolies" pertains to identity.

In conclusion, you are still a bigoted pig and the Rev All is no less one as well and a troll to boot.

This so called Rev is surely a racist prick also. The racism that oozes from these guys is so sad.

There are twice as many living in poverty who are classified as Blacks than Whites. Given that the White population is about 4 times that of Blacks it means there is a whole lot more White folks living in poverty than Blacks. I know Rev claims the numbers guy mantle, so he would understand this "absolute" share of poverty by race.

Rev also is an intelligent being, so he knows that his assertion that JOBS is a dirty word for Blacks is his way of showing his racism. He doesn't mind this conclusion. He knows too that there is no scientific or anecdotal way of making the assertion that Blacks prefer welfare to JOBS stand up. He needs to make thee assertions though, as it is prescribed therapy for his illness.

He too shall be saved.

By the way carib, right now many black men in the US are nervous---JOBS is a dirty word for many black men---they prefer food stamps and welfare---no wonder 96% of blacks will blindly vote for Obama---they prefer food stamps and welfare over jobs.

Rev

I don't think d2 is racist, he is just misguided by the AFC/PNC slow fiah crew. We will have to whip him back into shape and make sure he catch his good sense back.

That being said, I still feel rev all was out of line, by proclaiming that  black men prefer food stamp and welfare. In fact it is women mostly that collect food stamp and welfare. This kind of talk just gives racists like CaribJ ammunition to keep generalizing the Indian race as racist like himself. 

and and

D2 is your armchair prognosticator who means well. He does get his Guyanese analysis wrong sometime. But you can engage him.

Al is a racist shit-stirrer, period. He knows it's over for Romney, and he knows America is changing demographically and in terms of who has knowledge-power. He knows a few million non-college educated Whites can never get that middle-class life they had before Bush and man's advances conspired to dump this reality on them. You just have to humor Al.

you have to be a real shallow person in this life when you are so racists.thank god some of you is not around me 

Rev you are wrong. I worked for the DHS (food stamp and AFDC) for 5 years and interfaced with the eligibility workers and the Employment Training Officers. Most of welfare recipients are women with child(ren).
Very few men get foodstamps and this may be due to a disability or limited income .When you are on public assistance, you are given the minimum to subsist on. It's not easy for these people and they prefer to work. I agree some people prefer welfare rather than going to work. As you know we have these type of people in all races and culture. How about some Indo Guyanese who came to America and live on welfare????? Ever thought about this?

You need to repent brother.

Welfare is a way of life for many low income people in America. It's there as a substitute assistance to help family with children that are below the poverty guidelines. In my opinion, the system needs to reform badly. I have witness how some recipients are taking advantage of the system and mooching the government. Bill Clinton had introduced welfare to workfare; I don't know how that plays out today. Welfare can never be perfect but 95% effective is good enough for me. Welfare should be scrutinized like the EITC that will enable the real needy family to receive it. And, if you get caught by defrauding the system, you will have to pay back with penalty and interest.

Cobra,

There is a system in place for people who defraud the system. They are forced to repay. If a person is caught defrauding the system, he or she is sanctioned garnishing 10% of his/her benefits for each month until the amoutn is repaid.

I have seen cases where welfare is the only way of life for the children(you born and live in it for your life). The work fare is called JOBS and it is stictly enforced.

It's a good program for people who may be unable to be self sufficient. 
What is happening now is if you go and apply for SNAP and you fail to disclose each child's absent parent details, you are automatically disqualified. It's comong around.

In Canada, some families seem to hand down the tradition of being on welfare. That is sad that some take advantage of the system, maybe if these people were given small jobs just to keep them occupied and have the feel of being needed, they can become a better person.

There is always the need for such a social assistance system where those who can, assist those who can't.

Strom can now go in his corner like a cry baby. Be a man and stop complaining like a big baby.

Long live freedom of speech and expression. Kudos to admin.

Are you so sure about that? 

Obama won last time because there was record turn out by youths of all races, Hispanics, and poor blacks, and he got more blue collar whites (OK I guess I will vote for the ni99er).  He lost the overall white vote.  There was also Bush fatigue which is now long gone.

These are the groups which have been most impacted by the poor job climate.  Their voter turn out is normally not high and they might see no reason why they should not just revert to not voting, as is their usual habit.  The 2010 mid terms was quite disturbing.....the black voter turn out fell 50%. I certainly do NOT see the enthusiasm with this bloc that I saw in 2008.  In states like VA and NC the increased black voter turn out exceeded the margin which OBama won those states by.

More disturbingly so are many in the middle class feeling quite frustrated.  When I go to the supermarket I often see many people pulling out their food stamps and from their behavior (obvious shame and the fact that they dont know how to use it) makes me suspect that these are people who would have never believed that this would happen to them....Then there are the large numbers of foreclosures, disproportionately impacting blacks and Hispanics.......groups which Obama needs.

At this point the race is 50:50.  Unless Obama can convince Americans that he will lift this nation out of its quagmire many will not vote, and independents might hold their noses, hope for the best and express the opinion that maybe the "businessman" knows better about stimulating business investment.

Obama is not offering any coherent plan at the moment and the mantra of blaming the GOP for doing nothing might well lead enough people to say, OK lets give them a chance.

Clinton did away with that.  In NYC ourwelfare rolls have dropped by 70% and this city used to be ground zero for multi generational welfare.

Foodstamps and Section 8 housing is different. Either you increase the minimal wage or you offer these benefits to the WORKING poor.  Many in NYC will have to forgo rent in order to feed their kids if they dont get help.

I find it interesting what freedom of speech is preserved. redux started a thread expressing an opinion that the PPP was behind some of the arson.  CLOSED.

yuji,cobra and rev al can post the most vile bigotry....bad enough to get this site blocked for being a racist site...and those threads stay open.

No wonder GNI is known in some quarters as being an anti black hate site.

You have attacked coolies here for years and no one banned you. Hurrah for freedom of speech. Now say thank you.

Yes I know that you will enjoy seeing people write about how blacks are lazy, and otrher things.

You know what I find interesting.

NO CONDEMNATION OF THIS FROM YOU.

You have finally confirmed to the rest of us that your sentiments are with people like rev al, cobra, and yuji.

PNC supporters at this site have now lost their marbles. They cannot engage in a civilized debate so they holler race. Man up and debate, this is a political discussion forum.

Admin have made their statement that freedom of speech must be preserved. This is not your beloved Burnham dictatorship era where people where beaten up and jailed for free speech.

No one here uses the "N" word or promotes hate against blacks, it is in your messed up head. Stop behaving like a victim and debate like a real man.

You are asking him to do something that the can't. He always changes the subject. And he likes name calling. But he can't stay focused.  

Here you go demonizing the entire town of Linden and others calling blacks lazy and welfare recipients and yet you claim no anti black racism.  You have your one sided analysis of 1964 ignoring the fact that blacks suffered as much as Indians.......

Sugrim if you hang out with racists who hate black people you make yourself one of them.

While others lambaste blacks as being violent, lazy etc, you have nothing to say so clearly you agree with them.

I am, very focused on your inability to have any intelligent analysis of our ethnopolitical polarization.  Some thing that even those who you run behind claim exists.

Asked your opinion on certain issues you resort to Nehru like drunken rages.

Now if you really claim to be objective go deal with cobra,nehru,yuji and rev al.

PPP style freedom.  Redux has a thread closed.  Others make all sorts of unfounded accusations against Gerhard, dangerous given the realities of Guyana and the fact that he is a private citizen.  And ranting about black laziness and criminality is good.

He still calling names.

Carib Liar

I did not call Blacks lazy or welfare recipients. You are one messed up man. Please check yourself in a mental institution.

Fact: 3000 Indo Guyanese were displaced and some were raped and killed including women and children. 

 THat you appeal to civility is a joke. You are an uncouth, banal moron with little grasp of point counter point in argumentation.

Examine the above, what is the point you make an on what basis? Freedom of speech by the administration own rules for usage on this site does not include useless generalizations about the aptitude of other groups on presumption of some deficiency in their race or culture. That assumption is by default deemed ignorant and serves no other use but to provoke.

What does it matter what Burnham did? The PPP is doing exactly as he did. They use state resources to orchestrate their jaundice political views under the pretense of a state information agency. Meanwhile, despite allocations of funds by the WB, experts evaluation of the radio frequency, they still refuse to liberalize the airwaves. That is deliberate political intent to limit diversity of views.

As for no one using the N word here, what has that to do with your constant appeal to race as the basis of your views? Why not illustrate for us the brilliance of your argumentative prowess to tell us why we should subsidize sugar to the tune of billions, keep it a state corp and yet sell the bauxite company three times and now complain about subsidy here?

FACT so were many AfroGuyanese by PPP supporters.

The fcat that you refuse to acknowledge this shows what a racist you are.  Even the PPP supporter Odeen Ishmael acknowledges attacks on Africans by Indians.   Others say that this was an orchestrated plot in 1964 to create an atmosphere of instability to force the British to cancel the elections, knowing that a PNC/UF coalition meant the defeat of the PPP.

He pluck Odeen's name from thin air and states stuff as if it's a fact. This guy is not all there.  

Carib and Storm are both PNC dunces and liars. Pay them no attention. Is is interesting how they defend Burnham and their cowardly acts till today.

Let him post the passages in which Odeen says so and you will see that he can't.

The Guyana Story
(From Earliest Times to Independence) 
By Dr. Odeen Ishmael

THE OUTBREAK OF RACIAL DISTURBANCES IN 1964

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On 17 February 1964, the Guiana Agricultural Workers Union (GAWU) called a country-wide strike to demand recognition as the bargaining agent for the country's sugar workers. The union, backed by the PPP, was the successor of the GIWU of the early 1950s, and when it was resuscitated in 1960, it was known as the Sugar Workers' Union before its name was officially changed. The established recognised union was the MPCA which was strongly anti-Government, but which had very little support among the sugar workers who were fiercely supportive of the PPP.

Throughout 1961, 1962 and 1963, GAWU demanded that a poll should be taken among sugar workers to determine which union should represent them, but the employers' organisation, the Sugar Producers' Association (SPA), in close alliance with the MPCA, firmly opposed any such action. The MPCA leadership was part and parcel of the leadership of the TUC which naturally opposed a poll among sugar workers.

The strike actually started after cane-cutters at Leonora were told on 6 February by the management of the estate that there was work for only half of them. The workers begged for work to be provided for all of them, but the management refused their request. As a result, all the workers called a strike on the following day, and by the 17 February cane cutters on all the estates decided to join the strike in solidarity. They called on GAWU to act on their behalf saying that they had no confidence in the MPCA.

The strike received overwhelming support from sugar workers and all the sugar estates were seriously affected. The workers showed their total disdain for the MPCA and bluntly refused the pleas of the leaders of that union to return to work. Dr. Jagan, the Premier, requested the Governor, Sir Ralph Grey, to order a poll among sugar workers, but he refused to do so. However, on further advice from Dr. Jagan, he appointed a commission of enquiry headed by a respected Supreme Court judge, Guya Persaud, to determine which union should represent the sugar workers. Immediately, the MPCA filed an injunction in the Supreme Court to block this enquiry. As a result, the chairman of the commission decided that the enquiry could not begin until the Supreme Court made a ruling. The enquiry was thus suspended and was finally abandoned when the PPP Government was removed from power.

Faced with the serious problem of no production of sugar, the SPA began to hire scabs in the effort to break the strike. In doing so, the employers' organisation disregarded the existing political and racial sensitivities in the sugar estates. At that period, the overwhelming majority of sugar workers were Indians, and were supporters of the PPP. What the SPA did was to hire mainly inexperienced African cane-cutters who were generally supporters of the PNC. In strike situations, it was natural for workers on strike to try to prevent strike-breakers to get to the workplace; in the case of this strike, Indian workers attempted to block the entry of African and also some regular Indian cane-cutters (who refused to strike) from reaching the fields or factories.

Many of the African recruited to break the strike were also employed by the management of the sugar estates as "vigilantes" to protect the property of the estates from sabotage. Inevitably, violent racial clashes took place between these "vigilantes" and the Indian population residing on or near to the sugar estates. Soon after, these clashes extended to other areas as well. On 4 March, at Tain on the Corentyne, a bomb was thrown at a bus transporting scabs to Albion estate and two persons Gunraj, an Indian, and Edgar Munroe, an African, died.

Violent attacks involving beatings and murders occurred mainly on the East Coast Demerara, Mahaicony, West Demerara, Wismar-Mackenzie and Georgetown, and the entire country was in a state of tension. In Georgetown, Indians were brutally beaten on the streets, and some business places were looted and set on fire.

Reprisal beatings, destruction of property and killings occurred with great frequency. Indians attacked Africans and Africans attacked Indians in some communities, houses and business places were looted were burnt down and Government and privately owned buildings were bombed. In some villages, where Indians or Africans formed the minority, they abandoned their homes and resettled in villages where their respective group had dominance. A dusk to dawn curfew in the affected communities did little to prevent the violence.

But despite the violent attacks and killings, most of the country remained relatively peaceful even though Africans and Indians regarded each other with suspicion. And even in the areas where racial violence occurred almost daily, there were numerous cases where Indians were protected by Africans, and where Africans were protected by Indians. In many instances, Indians and Africans, on abandoning their home communities, obtained the assistance of friends from the opposite race group to temporarily occupy their homes in order to prevent them from being destroyed by arsonists.

In most communities, residents organized "vigilante groups" and "home guards" to patrol in groups during the night. Some of these communities also set up imaginative alarm systems to warn of suspicious intruders. While these groups provided some protection, in the absence of regular police patrols, there occurred some incidents in which they attacked and killed innocent persons passing through some areas on foot or in motor vehicles.

While the violence was escalating, the sugar industry strike continued. One very notable incident occurred at Leonora Estate on 6 March when a female sugar worker, Kowsilia, was run over and her body severed in two by a tractor driven by an African strike breaker. She and other women workers on strike were squatting on a bridge near to the factory to prevent strike breakers from crossing when the incident occurred. Fourteen other women were seriously injured. In the ensuing fracas, the police arrived on the scene and used tear gas to break up the demonstration. Kowsilia became an immediate martyr for the cause of sugar workers in their struggle for democracy in the trade union movement in Guyana.

Meanwhile, a new Governor, Sir Richard Luyt, arrived in Guyana to succeed Sir Ralph Grey and he was sworn in on 7 March. The PPP Government objected to his appointment, saying that Grey's successor should be a Guyanese and the PPP Ministers refused to attend the swearing-in ceremony. No doubt, this objection to Luyt's appointment was one of the reasons the new Governor was to display a bias against the PPP Government for the remainder of 1964.

You calling someone dunce is a laugh. Speaking of liar, where was I ever a supporter of the PNC party?

And again speaking of lying, did you not say I hated Indians by calling them clannish and "boat people?

Stupid man clans are  about cultural affinity and while I do not use the word except if as reference to others using it, you still lie that I meant to disparage anyone.

As for the "boat people" terminology, I also never used the term ever. so that is also a lie. Further, Indians have no qualms of calling themselves "boat people". The most indocentric of party called its support base JAIAG and addressed each other as jihajee..

Now, take your sorry mal-educated lying ass for a hike and repent and pray for a moral core.

Yugi the cyber bramin was a PNC just like 90% of bramins I know. Dharmic saba and pandit council was 100% PNC back in the days. You should ask Yugi how many times a day he pujay the  Kabaka pictcha on his alter...

I actually read what Odeen Ishmaelk wrfote.

Did you?

You make yourself look even more idiotic each and every day,

If you really dplore racist how come you dont go after Rev Al?

How come he dont go after a RACIST PIG LIKE YOU.