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GTAngler posted:
I asked two specific questions yesterday. One, if GPH fell into demise within the last two years and whether the private hospitals cater to all walks of life. Still waiting on answers. I look out everyone not the prevailing elitists of the time. People are either plain stupid or deliberately blind. Maybe when I came on here they expected a mindless buffoon who would just follow blindly. There are enough here. I have a brain and will think rationally unlike quite a few here. It's not whether an idea is good or bad, it's whether it was proposed by the PPP or PNC and the support follows accordingly. Just plain stupid.

Angler, considering your short time here you have made penetrating observations above. And I notice you don't look over your shoulders before expressing your opinions or asking inconvenient questions. Gilbakka has always approved of people with critical minds. Keep it up. 

To some posters, it is an alien idea to lash out at the PPP and PNC simultaneously. Being partial to Party X doesn't mean one has to accept everything Party X says or does. And it doesn't mean that everything Party Y says or does is bad. 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

I am grammatically challenged? I said you could never, as in the future tense. I need to research because I don't agree with your mindless banter? Once again, I asked two specific questions. What does 50 years of Guyanese History have to do with those specific questions. Brush up on your reading comprehension. Don't get like that racist PNC fool.

If you want to make a point then make it and we will rebut if necessary. Don't run around asking questions if you already know the answer. Apparently you have taken a good dose of PNC koolaid and no longer can think rationally.Joining the ranks of Cain, T, D2, CaribJ, Gilly, Django and others. 

We are the Champions! 

FM

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.   He thinks it's the Gov't job to provide healthcare to everyone.  In that case he is living in the wrong county.  Neither Guyana nor America provide free healthcare.  You get what you pay for.

Bibi Haniffa
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Gilbakka posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

I am grammatically challenged? I said you could never, as in the future tense. I need to research because I don't agree with your mindless banter? Once again, I asked two specific questions. What does 50 years of Guyanese History have to do with those specific questions. Brush up on your reading comprehension. Don't get like that racist PNC fool.

If you want to make a point then make it and we will rebut if necessary. Don't run around asking questions if you already know the answer. Apparently you have taken a good dose of PNC koolaid and no longer can think rationally.Joining the ranks of Cain, T, D2, CaribJ, Gilly, Django and others. 

We are the Champions! 

But there is only one Champion of the Earth!!!

Bibi Haniffa
Gilbakka posted:
Drugb posted: Apparently you have taken a good dose of PNC koolaid and no longer can think rationally.Joining the ranks of Cain, T, D2, CaribJ, Gilly, Django and others. 

We are the Champions! 

If PNC koolaid ( stupid phrase ) is taken by the intelligent hilited posters then it is obviously a lot better than PPP slop. 

In this case GTA is in very good company.

cain
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.

The banna asked a question and the reason you give for not providing one is..you lost interest. Dah is a good one I like it.

Oi Druggie, ask me a question.

cain
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

I am grammatically challenged? I said you could never, as in the future tense. I need to research because I don't agree with your mindless banter? Once again, I asked two specific questions. What does 50 years of Guyanese History have to do with those specific questions. Brush up on your reading comprehension. Don't get like that racist PNC fool.

If you want to make a point then make it and we will rebut if necessary. Don't run around asking questions if you already know the answer. Apparently you have taken a good dose of PNC koolaid and no longer can think rationally. Joining the ranks of Cain, T, D2, CaribJ, Gilly, Django and others. 

Let me get his...because one does not concur with your relentless racist drivel one is a PNC....One cannot be surprised with your incapacity to be coherent. The only thing reliable about you is your pathetic need to think these silly accusations give you an edge. My dear man; like Cain noted, someone did drop you on your head as a baby. My contempt for the PNC  parallels my contempt for little bitches like you

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

I am grammatically challenged? I said you could never, as in the future tense. I need to research because I don't agree with your mindless banter? Once again, I asked two specific questions. What does 50 years of Guyanese History have to do with those specific questions. Brush up on your reading comprehension. Don't get like that racist PNC fool.

If you want to make a point then make it and we will rebut if necessary. Don't run around asking questions if you already know the answer. Apparently you have taken a good dose of PNC koolaid and no longer can think rationally.Joining the ranks of Cain, T, D2, CaribJ, Gilly, Django and others. 

We are the Champions! 

But there is only one Champion of the Earth!!!

Sounds good...dirt is dirt is dirt and then some more dirt!

FM
D2 posted:

Let me get his...because one does not concur with your relentless racist drivel one is a PNC....One cannot be surprised with your incapacity to be coherent. The only thing reliable about you is your pathetic need to think these silly accusations give you an edge. My dear man; like Cain noted, someone did drop you on your head as a baby. My contempt for the PNC  parallels my contempt for little bitches like you

Look ah hey rass, you now have contempt for the PNC?  You are indeed a fair weather friend.  The recent beatings they have been taken made you switch your allegiances?

FM
yuji22 posted:
kp posted:

 

I did not see you commented when MR.T posted. "Another PPP Thief Caught". Why???

Valid question.

Yet GT lashed out and blames others.

The fact is that the PNC is on a mission to label Indos as thieves and drug dealers. Just like the PNC Part one, Part two is no different. 

GT proudly endorsed Mt. T racist and unfair post which labelled an Indo as a PPP thief. His silence on the racist post by Mr. T speaks volumes.

We have to guard against the attempt to label Indos as thieves and drug dealers while PNC ministers are stealing at will and are accountable to no one.

Proudly endorsed? What I meant was, since I know he's a racist, I won't even waste my time responding. I expected differently from you. I see how wrong I was. I am gradually seeing the true colors of people here.

GTAngler
Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.   He thinks it's the Gov't job to provide healthcare to everyone.  In that case he is living in the wrong county.  Neither Guyana nor America provide free healthcare.  You get what you pay for.

Lets just end this. I am starting to see things a lot more clearly now. I went to school in Georgetown but I had the pleasure of growing up in the "country". Those people have been some of the most hardworking and honest people I have ever met. My nana was a milkman. I have kept and always will keep the interests of those people first.

GTAngler
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Drugb posted:
D2 posted:

Let me get his...because one does not concur with your relentless racist drivel one is a PNC....One cannot be surprised with your incapacity to be coherent. The only thing reliable about you is your pathetic need to think these silly accusations give you an edge. My dear man; like Cain noted, someone did drop you on your head as a baby. My contempt for the PNC  parallels my contempt for little bitches like you

Look ah hey rass, you now have contempt for the PNC?  You are indeed a fair weather friend.  The recent beatings they have been taken made you switch your allegiances?

The reality, stupid man, being against one group does not inevitably mean being for another. I doubt you can find one post on this entire site where I praised the good qualities of the APNU. I said they are a foil to the rapacious theft of the PPP. It was   a hope that there will be an interregnum between a ramping up of  thievery> The PPP were not going to stop their kleptocratic pawing at our assets. A pause was necessary

FM
GTAngler posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.   He thinks it's the Gov't job to provide healthcare to everyone.  In that case he is living in the wrong county.  Neither Guyana nor America provide free healthcare.  You get what you pay for.

Lets just end this. I am starting to see things a lot more clearly now. I went to school in Georgetown but I had the pleasure of growing up in the "country". Those people have been some of the most hardworking and honest people I have ever met. My nana was a milkman. I have kept and always will keep the interests of those people first.

You have to look at healthcare from an economic standpoint.  In a perfect world we would all have good healthcare.  But it is costly. In the case of Guyana, we have seen both the PPP and the PNC fail at managing GPH.  But at least during the PPP days they had the basics.  The PPP govt brought in doctors from India and Cuba.  They built hospitals in places like Diamond and Golden Grove where hospitals were non-existent.  We should not base our assessment based on one hospital.  Let's give credit where credit is due.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
GTAngler posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.   He thinks it's the Gov't job to provide healthcare to everyone.  In that case he is living in the wrong county.  Neither Guyana nor America provide free healthcare.  You get what you pay for.

Lets just end this. I am starting to see things a lot more clearly now. I went to school in Georgetown but I had the pleasure of growing up in the "country". Those people have been some of the most hardworking and honest people I have ever met. My nana was a milkman. I have kept and always will keep the interests of those people first.

You have to look at healthcare from an economic standpoint.  In a perfect world we would all have good healthcare.  But it is costly. In the case of Guyana, we have seen both the PPP and the PNC fail at managing GPH.  But at least during the PPP days they had the basics.  The PPP govt brought in doctors from India and Cuba.  They built hospitals in places like Diamond and Golden Grove where hospitals were non-existent.  We should not base our assessment based on one hospital.  Let's give credit where credit is due.

Not questioning that at all. Healthcare in Guyana has improved immensely. Anyone who questions that is either ignorant or in denial. Also not saying free healthcare for everyone. Just the ones who can't afford it. I don't like that, "you get what you pay for".

GTAngler
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GTAngler posted:

Not questioning that at all. Healthcare in Guyana has improved immensely. Anyone who questions that is either ignorant or in denial. Also not saying free healthcare for everyone. Just the ones who can't afford it. I don't like that, "you get what you pay for".

Looks like you are in a fantasy world. Every corner of the earth have these same issues. The difference is that the PNC now taking the country from bad to worse.  Meanwhile they have people like you and the slop can crew to make excuses for their incompetence and mismanagement.

FM
yuji22 posted:
kp posted:

 

I did not see you commented when MR.T posted. "Another PPP Thief Caught". Why???

Valid question.

Yet GT lashed out and blames others.

The fact is that the PNC is on a mission to label Indos as thieves and drug dealers. Just like the PNC Part one, Part two is no different. 

GT proudly endorsed Mt. T racist and unfair post which labelled an Indo as a PPP thief. His silence on the racist post by Mr. T speaks volumes.

We have to guard against the attempt to label Indos as thieves and drug dealers while PNC ministers are stealing at will and are accountable to no one.

So which part is incorrect? That he is indo, a PPP man, or a thief?

Mr.T
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Not questioning that at all. Healthcare in Guyana has improved immensely. Anyone who questions that is either ignorant or in denial. Also not saying free healthcare for everyone. Just the ones who can't afford it. I don't like that, "you get what you pay for".

Looks like you are in a fantasy world. Every corner of the earth have these same issues. The difference is that the PNC now taking the country from bad to worse.  Meanwhile they have people like you and the slop can crew to make excuses for their incompetence and mismanagement.

Dude, obviously you are in need of some of that Private Health care because you can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. You completely missed where I said "just the ones who can't afford it". I'll stay in my fantasy world and you can stay in your world of denial.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:

Dude, obviously you are in need of some of that Private Health care because you can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. You completely missed where I said "just the ones who can't afford it". I'll stay in my fantasy world and you can stay in your world of denial.

You are the one lacking comprehension.  Those are exactly the ones I was referring.  Look how poor people suffer here in the US for lack of proper health care. How is this different?

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
GTAngler posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler is a good guy.  That much I can say.  His lack of political knowledge is not his fault. I actually forgot to answer his question about GPH, partially because it's not a fair question and I lost interest.   He thinks it's the Gov't job to provide healthcare to everyone.  In that case he is living in the wrong county.  Neither Guyana nor America provide free healthcare.  You get what you pay for.

Lets just end this. I am starting to see things a lot more clearly now. I went to school in Georgetown but I had the pleasure of growing up in the "country". Those people have been some of the most hardworking and honest people I have ever met. My nana was a milkman. I have kept and always will keep the interests of those people first.

You have to look at healthcare from an economic standpoint.  In a perfect world we would all have good healthcare.  But it is costly. In the case of Guyana, we have seen both the PPP and the PNC fail at managing GPH.  But at least during the PPP days they had the basics.  The PPP govt brought in doctors from India and Cuba.  They built hospitals in places like Diamond and Golden Grove where hospitals were non-existent.  We should not base our assessment based on one hospital.  Let's give credit where credit is due.

have you seen any ppp bigwig going to any of these hospital for treatment with a credit like that you can go bankrupt 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Dude, obviously you are in need of some of that Private Health care because you can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. You completely missed where I said "just the ones who can't afford it". I'll stay in my fantasy world and you can stay in your world of denial.

You are the one lacking comprehension.  Those are exactly the ones I was referring.  Look how poor people suffer here in the US for lack of proper health care. How is this different?

Expected asinine response. Surprised you didn't use it earlier. First of all, we are discussing Guyana here. Second, poor people here have free health care.  

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Dude, obviously you are in need of some of that Private Health care because you can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. You completely missed where I said "just the ones who can't afford it". I'll stay in my fantasy world and you can stay in your world of denial.

You are the one lacking comprehension.  Those are exactly the ones I was referring.  Look how poor people suffer here in the US for lack of proper health care. How is this different?

Expected asinine response. Surprised you didn't use it earlier. First of all, we are discussing Guyana here. Second, poor people here have free health care.  

Nonsense, poor folks are only given minimal health care in the US.  No better than in Guyana. Did you miss the entire last year of the Obama presidency? Did you not know about the reason for Obamacare which Trump is going to dismantle?

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Dude, obviously you are in need of some of that Private Health care because you can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. You completely missed where I said "just the ones who can't afford it". I'll stay in my fantasy world and you can stay in your world of denial.

You are the one lacking comprehension.  Those are exactly the ones I was referring.  Look how poor people suffer here in the US for lack of proper health care. How is this different?

Expected asinine response. Surprised you didn't use it earlier. First of all, we are discussing Guyana here. Second, poor people here have free health care.  

Nonsense, poor folks are only given minimal health care in the US.  No better than in Guyana. Did you miss the entire last year of the Obama presidency? Did you not know about the reason for Obamacare which Trump is going to dismantle?

Do you read what you write of just randomly tap away at the keyboard?

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:

Nonsense, poor folks are only given minimal health care in the US.  No better than in Guyana. Did you miss the entire last year of the Obama presidency? Did you not know about the reason for Obamacare which Trump is going to dismantle?

Do you read what you write of just randomly tap away at the keyboard?

Ow man cut um some slack, it must be difficult for the drugster typing with hooves.

cain
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GTAngler posted:

Do you read what you write of just randomly tap away at the keyboard?

The point being that if the US is struggling to provide proper healthcare to its citizens then what do you expect from a 3rd world nation?  If you choose to carry PNC slop can then deal with the stench. Django can give you some pointers on how to get the correct respirators. 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Do you read what you write of just randomly tap away at the keyboard?

The point being that if the US is struggling to provide proper healthcare to its citizens then what do you expect from a 3rd world nation?  If you choose to carry PNC slop can then deal with the stench. Django can give you some pointers on how to get the correct respirators. 

What does this have to do with PNC except like a total nincompoop you think that because someone else is in power it's automatically their fault? It has been established that GPH deteriorated under Jagdeo in favor of privatization. It was fine to neglect it then but now it's an issue? You haven't a foot to stand on so you start spewing bilge. I didn't quite understand your stand on EVERYBODY paying until it dawned on me that you're probably in the drug supply business and this has nothing to do with caring for the indigent just about how much money you can make. You're pathetic. Carry on with your blind, selfish, ignorant mindset. 

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:

What does this have to do with PNC except like a total nincompoop you think that because someone else is in power it's automatically their fault? It has been established that GPH deteriorated under Jagdeo in favor of privatization. It was fine to neglect it then but now it's an issue? You haven't a foot to stand on so you start spewing bilge. I didn't quite understand your stand on EVERYBODY paying until it dawned on me that you're probably in the drug supply business and this has nothing to do with caring for the indigent just about how much money you can make. You're pathetic. Carry on with your blind, selfish, ignorant mindset. 

Apparently you are such a green horn that you never went to GPH. The hospital flourished under the PPP.  I can say this based on my own experiences as I was there under the PNC as well as the PPP. I don't know what detoriation you are talking about as you seem to be buying hook line and sinker whatever the PNC slop can crew is selling.  Ever since the PNC took over, all institutions in the country has gone backwards, this is a fact. 

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

What does this have to do with PNC except like a total nincompoop you think that because someone else is in power it's automatically their fault? It has been established that GPH deteriorated under Jagdeo in favor of privatization. It was fine to neglect it then but now it's an issue? You haven't a foot to stand on so you start spewing bilge. I didn't quite understand your stand on EVERYBODY paying until it dawned on me that you're probably in the drug supply business and this has nothing to do with caring for the indigent just about how much money you can make. You're pathetic. Carry on with your blind, selfish, ignorant mindset. 

Apparently you are such a green horn that you never went to GPH. The hospital flourished under the PPP.  I can say this based on my own experiences as I was there under the PNC as well as the PPP. I don't know what detoriation you are talking about as you seem to be buying hook line and sinker whatever the PNC slop can crew is selling.  Ever since the PNC took over, all institutions in the country has gone backwards, this is a fact. 

Everything that the PNC touches turns into Dog Shyte. They have Ko Ko Beah.

FM
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

What does this have to do with PNC except like a total nincompoop you think that because someone else is in power it's automatically their fault? It has been established that GPH deteriorated under Jagdeo in favor of privatization. It was fine to neglect it then but now it's an issue? You haven't a foot to stand on so you start spewing bilge. I didn't quite understand your stand on EVERYBODY paying until it dawned on me that you're probably in the drug supply business and this has nothing to do with caring for the indigent just about how much money you can make. You're pathetic. Carry on with your blind, selfish, ignorant mindset. 

Apparently you are such a green horn that you never went to GPH. The hospital flourished under the PPP.  I can say this based on my own experiences as I was there under the PNC as well as the PPP. I don't know what detoriation you are talking about as you seem to be buying hook line and sinker whatever the PNC slop can crew is selling.  Ever since the PNC took over, all institutions in the country has gone backwards, this is a fact. 

Bana, just when I think you can't be any more stupid, you go and surprise me. It has been established here that GPH has deteriorated. The question was when the deterioration started. I agreed that Medical Care in Guyana has improved. My stand was the hospital was neglected in favor of private hospitals and you can't blame an incoming administration for what the outgoing did. In your ignorant mind, that makes me a PNC apologist. Now, you come up with The hospital flourished under the PPP.  Does the right side of your brain communicate with the left?

GTAngler
Bibi Haniffa posted:

GTAngler - are you aware that Guyana's first kidney transplant was done at GPH under the PPP?  Among other medical breakthrough ventures.

Now, compare that to the fact the same hospital under the PNC doesn't even have aspirin.

I am done with this discussion. I leave you with this though. Who said this? In the case of Guyana, we have seen both the PPP and the PNC fail at managing GPH.  But at least during the PPP days they had the basics.

GTAngler

The Piss Pot Porters seem to conveniently forget those days under the PPP when two men shared a bed or two pregnant mothers shared a hospital bed.

and the days when people were dying because the hospital didn't have oxygen, there was a shortage of drugs and a lot of the drugs were expired.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....from-lack-of-oxygen/

Boy, 6, dies at Leonora Hospital from lack of oxygen


 

– hospital report cites two similar fatalities

Dr. Kamal Narine

Dr. Kamal Narine

A six year old boy was recently added to a list of two persons who died at the Leonora Cottage Hospital due to shortage of oxygen and medication at the facility.
This was revealed in the minutes of a recent statuary meeting which quoted assistant administrator of the institution, Dev Hira as saying that a report compiled by the hospital’s Cuban Director states that the child died due to the lack of oxygen.
In the minutes, seen by Kaieteur News, Hira is quoted as telling regional councilors that the child’s death is the third incident of this kind at the institution. The minutes made no mention of what steps the hospital’s administration will implement to correct this situation.
During an interview with this newspaper, the region’s Alliance for Change Councillor, Dr. Kamal Narine noted that all is not well with the region’s health care system.
He said that apart from the continuous and dangerous instances of drug shortage that have been affecting the country, there is a possibility that most of the medication in Region Three is expired.
Dr. Narine said that when the region submits claims for drugs, the drugs are usually lodged at the storage bond of the West Demerara Regional Hospital. He explained that whenever the other facilities of the region need supplies, they would request it from that hospital’s bond.
Protocol is that the requested medications would be lodged at the bond of the requesting hospital, and staffers there would inspect the supplies before sending them to the respective departments.
However, in Region Three, Dr. Narine alleged that on many occasions, the requested supplies of medications are sent directly to the respective departments, not affording staffers the chance to inspect the delivery in order to ensure that it is of proper quality.
“This is a mad, mad situation. In situations like this, you even got people being treated with wrong doses. Then there is no proper audit of the drugs, so I am sure that many are expired,” Dr. Narine posited.

The Leonora Cottage Hospital

The Leonora Cottage Hospital

Because he is a member of the region’s health committee, which has insights on the health issues facing the district, he does not utilize the services offered.
“It’s frightening. I would prefer go to a private institution,” Dr. Narine declared, adding that even the X-ray machine at the Leonora Hospital does not work.
The AFC Councillor maintained that the region’s health system is problem-plagued, and that those in authority at the Ministry of Health seem not to care.
“Imagine you can be injected with something that they mistake for something else, and you can die. How more serious can our system get? This is something that is really bothering me, and some of the other councilors, but the government is not doing anything to change this situation.”
Kaieteur News was told that during the region’s recent statutory meeting, the Regional Health Officer, Ms. Nadia Coleman told councilors that she was no longer prepared to deal with the region’s health struggles, since the shortage of drugs cannot be pinned on her.
According to two of the councilors, the woman explained that whenever she requests four or five oxygen cylinders, the region would receive two or three.
“I was made to understand that they does be telling her that the supplies are wasting, so that’s the situation.”
When the region’s administration receives the short stock of oxygen, Coleman is reportedly forced to make the call as to which one of the hospitals and health centres should benefit from the supply.
“This is nonsense! And we have the Minister doing nothing. Before, we used to have problems, yes, but this new Ministerâ€ĶI don’t know what he doing,” one of the councilors said.
Just recently, a resident of Tuschen, East Bank Essequibo who suffered a stroke also blamed this on the lack of drugs and equipment at both the Tuschen Health Centre and the Leonora Cottage Hospital.
According to the elderly man who is diabetic, a few weeks ago, he started visiting the health centre repeatedly to have his blood sugar level monitored.
However, he claimed he was told by nurses there, that this could not be done since there were no machines or strips to do so.
A few days later, Ali developed complications due to his condition and had to be rushed to the Emergency Unit of the Leonora public health facility, where he said he was told that there wasn’t an adequate supply of medication.
Ali subsequently suffered a mild stroke, and Kaieteur News understands that both the aforementioned public health facilities are in short supply of drugs to treat common illnesses like cold and cough.
“Not even for children,” he said.
Another AFC Councillor of Region Three, Harry Deokinanan said that the drug situation in his district has deteriorated to the extent where even the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPP/C) Councillors are beginning to speak out.
He said that even though some of the facilities might ‘look nice’ on the outside, they lack the resources to execute some very basic treatments.
“If you got a health institution in a region and people can’t benefit from it, then what is the point? If people can’t go to a hospital or health centre in Region Three and get simple treatments, then what is the point?”

 

Mars

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