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Sydney (CNN) -- Australian special forces troops and police stormed the cafe where a self-styled Muslim cleric had been holding hostages early Tuesday, killing the gunman and ending a crisis that had paralyzed central Sydney for hours.

A national security source in the United States said the combined military-police team entered the Lindt Chocolate Cafe from two directions early Tuesday morning and killed the man, identified by an official with direct knowledge of the situation as Man Haron Monis.

Police didn't say if anyone else was hurt in the raid, but video shot by Australian media showed people being taken from the scene on stretchers, and Australian media reported some people may have been killed and others wounded.

Police declined to comment to CNN but said on Twitter that details of the incident were to come.

The raid ended the 16-hour standoff but left many other questions unanswered: What did the gunman want? Why did he choose the cafe as his target? And was he acting alone?

Man Haron Monis.
Man Haron Monis.

Before the raid, Monis had demanded a flag and phone call with Prime Minister Tony Abbott, CNN affiliate Sky News Australia reported. He made the demands through hostages who contacted media organizations, Sky News reported.

Some hostages had also reportedly posted messages to social networking sites and the YouTube online video service. Police urged media early Tuesday not to show the videos.

Monis, also known as Sheikh Haron, pleaded guilty in 2013 to writing letters to relatives of Australian service members saying they were "Hitler's soldiers," according to Australian media reports.

He was believed to be acting alone, and he didn't appear to be part of a broader plot, additional U.S. law enforcement and intelligence sources said Monday.

Grenades, gunfire as heavily armed police storm Sydney cafe

How the siege unfolded

Hundreds of police officers, including snipers, surrounded the cafe in Sydney's central business district shortly after the gunman took over the building at 10 a.m. Monday (6 p.m. ET Sunday).

 
<cite class="expCaption">Police: Hostage safety is our top priority</cite>

 
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Photos: Hostage situation in Sydney<cite class="expCaption" id="cite413">Photos: Hostage situation in Sydney</cite>

Chilling images from Australian media on Monday showed people, believed to be hostages, with their hands pressed against the cafe's windows. They were holding up a black flag with Arabic writing on it reading, "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God."

Five hostages sprinted out of the cafe toward heavily armed police officers several hours into the standoff, sending the gunman into an agitated tirade, according to an Australian reporter.

Chris Reason, a correspondent for CNN affiliate Seven Network, said the gunman became "extremely agitated" when he realized what had happened and "started screaming orders" at the remaining hostages.

Reason said he could see the gunman pacing past the cafe's windows from his vantage point at the network's nearby offices. He described the man as unshaven, wearing a white shirt and black cap and carrying a shotgun.

As night fell, lights went out in the cafe, Reason reported.

After a tense night, police could be seen early Tuesday throwing flash-bang grenades into the cafe in video aired by Seven Network.

Gunfire erupted amid the chaos. After a brief episode of violence, the crisis appeared to ease, with police officers assuming a more relaxed pose, according to Australian media.

Video captured medics working on some people and others being carried away in stretchers.

Tiffiny Genders, a police reporter for 2GB radio, told CNN the freed hostages had been taken to hospitals under police guard.

Australians worried

The hostage situation left Australians shaken.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott called it "profoundly shocking" in a series of Tweets.

"It's been a difficult day, which has tested us, but like Australians in all sorts of situations, we have risen to the challenge," he said.

CNN's Anna Coren reported from Sydney, Michael Pearson reported and wrote from Atlanta, and Jethro Mullen reported and wrote from Hong Kong. CNN's Dana Ford, Hilary Whiteman, Euan McKirdy, Chieu Luu, Elizabeth Joseph and Khushbu Shah also contributed to this report.

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I beg to ask a serious question.

 

Why are all of these terrorist attacks committed in the name of god ?

 

Is the statement highlighted below the cause of most terrorist attacks ?

 

Quote:

 

They were holding up a black flag with Arabic writing on it reading, "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God."

 

Does muslims believer that Allah is the only god and those who practice other religions "Non Believers"

 

If so then according to commentators there is a verse somewhere that declares that it is ok to kill non believers ?

 

I encourage those who are familiar to these types of quotes to comment.

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

I beg to ask a serious question.

 

Why are all of these terrorist attacks committed in the name of god ?

 

Is the statement highlighted below the cause of most terrorist attacks ?

 

Quote:

 

They were holding up a black flag with Arabic writing on it reading, "There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God."

 

Does muslims believer that Allah is the only god and those who practice other religions "Non Believers"

 

If so then according to commentators there is a verse somewhere that declares that it is ok to kill non believers ?

 

I encourage those who are familiar to these types of quotes to comment.

 

there is guy in Times Square who claims to be Jesus...maybe you want to check it out

FM
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam. Their actions are so far from what Islam teaches. Even when the Qur'an mention the Old Testament rule of "an eye for an eye" it says that "an eye for an eye but forgiveness is better". Today, many Muslins are not forgiving and I am guilty of that also when I choose to have my verbal battles with others when I think they are being bigoted. Islam also does not deny prior religions but maintains that they have been abrogated with Islam. Nonetheless, it requires it's followers to not force it on others. While it allows it's followers to fight, the fight has to be just, balanced and only when the fight is started by others. Muslims are not allowed to start a fight. We read accounts of Salahuddin taking medicine to the injured from the other side. Battles are supposed to be away from civilians which is another rule that so many Muslims are breaking.
FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
One can still have a clean heart while still listening to what was created a long time ago. If you can handle it Nehru, why limit yourself?

I have seen too many socalled Religious people doing things that most humans will not do. To each his own. I believe in Religion BUT not everything written I follow.

Nehru
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Politics has nothing to do with clean heart. When we vote, we don't vote for perfection, we vote for who we think is best. Maybe that is how Nehru sees the PPP.

all all this time i think your action guide your heart or vise versa   

There is no clean heart when it comes to politics and politicians. That is why some people don't get involved in politics or don't vote.

 

Here is your test, can you name a single politician who has the kind of clean heart you are thinking of?

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by ksazma:
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam.

Kaz there are more acts like these that are committed by non muslims but it is always gets more media time and more "EXPERTS" when the person has a Muslim name. Also when the person has a Muslim name it is terrorism.

 

Pointblank
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam.

Kaz there are more acts like these that are committed by non muslims but it is always gets more media time and more "EXPERTS" when the person has a Muslim name. Also when the person has a Muslim name it is terrorism.

 

I know that Pointy. In fact, when I turned on the tv this morning for the 6 AM news, they first reported that three people were killed in a shooting in Miami by a drive-by and then they reported this situation. For the way this ended, the three killed in Miami was a worse situation. In-fact, more people are killed in America than in the entire Muslim world including by Muslims outside the Muslim world but I have to be more concerned with the ones who commit these acts in the name of Allah.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam.

Kaz there are more acts like these that are committed by non muslims but it is always gets more media time and more "EXPERTS" when the person has a Muslim name. Also when the person has a Muslim name it is terrorism.

 

I know that Pointy. In fact, when I turned on the tv this morning for the 6 AM news, they first reported that three people were killed in a shooting in Miami by a drive-by and then they reported this situation. For the way this ended, the three killed in Miami was a worse situation. In-fact, more people are killed in America than in the entire Muslim world including by Muslims outside the Muslim world but I have to be more concerned with the ones who commit these acts in the name of Allah.

Dear Ksazma,

                      It is Patently false that more people are killed in America than the entire Muslim world. Please retract said statement or produce the evidence to support this ridiculous assertion that sounds like a soundbite from one of those radical madrassas.

FM
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

the man said he is Muslim, what do you want the media to say...that he Christian?

Most of these ME terrorists commit acts in the name of Allah

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam. Their actions are so far from what Islam teaches. Even when the Qur'an mention the Old Testament rule of "an eye for an eye" it says that "an eye for an eye but forgiveness is better". Today, many Muslins are not forgiving and I am guilty of that also when I choose to have my verbal battles with others when I think they are being bigoted. Islam also does not deny prior religions but maintains that they have been abrogated with Islam. Nonetheless, it requires it's followers to not force it on others. While it allows it's followers to fight, the fight has to be just, balanced and only when the fight is started by others. Muslims are not allowed to start a fight. We read accounts of Salahuddin taking medicine to the injured from the other side. Battles are supposed to be away from civilians which is another rule that so many Muslims are breaking.

 

Ksazma

 

Thanks for the fair and balanced analysis. It clears all doubts in my mind.

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
It is very unfortunate that so many Muslims are committing horrible acts in the name of Allah or Islam.

Kaz there are more acts like these that are committed by non muslims but it is always gets more media time and more "EXPERTS" when the person has a Muslim name. Also when the person has a Muslim name it is terrorism.

 

I know that Pointy. In fact, when I turned on the tv this morning for the 6 AM news, they first reported that three people were killed in a shooting in Miami by a drive-by and then they reported this situation. For the way this ended, the three killed in Miami was a worse situation. In-fact, more people are killed in America than in the entire Muslim world including by Muslims outside the Muslim world but I have to be more concerned with the ones who commit these acts in the name of Allah.

Dear Ksazma,

                      It is Patently false that more people are killed in America than the entire Muslim world. Please retract said statement or produce the evidence to support this ridiculous assertion that sounds like a soundbite from one of those radical madrassas.

After further contemplation, I  have to agree with you especially in light of all the people killed in Iraq and Syria over the past few years.

FM
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

the man said he is Muslim, what do you want the media to say...that he Christian?

Most of these ME terrorists commit acts in the name of Allah

he cant be a Muslim and practice astrology

Pointblank

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