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FM
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An effort to block a Caribbean Community (CARICOM) supervised vote recount is being aided financially and politically by government and/or A Partnership for National Unity+ Alliance for Change (APNU+AFC), of which President David Granger is the leader.

President,David Granger

This is the position of former Speaker of the National Assembly and Presidential Candidate of A New and United Guyana (ANUG), Senior Counsel Ralph Ramkarran.

In his most recent writings, Senior Counsel Ramkarran said that the effort of APNU+AFC candidate in the regional elections, Ulita Moore to block a recount of votes is being supported financially and politically by government and/ or her party.

The Senior Counsel’s reasoning behind this is the battery of “high-powered” lawyers representing Moore.

According to Senior Counsel Ramkarran, the team includes Attorney-at-Law Mayo Robertson and a distinguished array of Guyanese and Caribbean-wide attorneys.

Among them, he revealed, are Senior Counsel Roysdale Forde; Senior Counsel John Jeremie, former Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago and several juniors and Queen’s Counsel Dr. Francis Alexis, former Attorney General of Grenada.

Guyana Standard understands that during the hearing of the No Confidence Motion cases, Senior Counsel Forde represented General Secretary of the APNU, Joseph Harmon; while Queen’s Counsel Dr. Alexis and attorney Robertson, represented Attorney General Basil Williams.

Senior Counsel Ramkarran said, “There is no way that such a high-powered team of expensive lawyers can be mobilized without the financial and political support of the government and/or APNU+AFC, of which President Granger is the head.”

The conclusion, therefore, is that the united APNU+AFC team is behind Ulita Moore’s effort to prevent the recount of votes, the Senior Counsel noted.

Not only did the case filed by Moore raise eyebrows, Senior Counsel Ramkarran said it also shattered the CARICOM initiative of Prime Minister Mia Mottley of Barbados to recount the votes reflected in an Aide Memoire signed by President Granger and Leader of the Opposition Bharrat Jagdeo.

He reminded that the High Level Team of Caricom experts to supervise the recount arrived in Guyana on Saturday, March 14. But by Tuesday, March 17, he said the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) had not yet got its act together.

“Ulita Moore got ample time to file her case,” he added.

Senior Counsel Ramkarran stated, “It raised eyebrows because it [the case] sought to block President Granger’s decision to support a recount of the votes. Guyana’s political leaders exercise maximum leadership. When the leader decides on a course, unilaterally or otherwise, it is never challenged by the party members. ”

He continued, “It is no surprise, therefore, that word immediately went around that President Granger was being challenged by a powerful faction within the APNU+AFC. Even Prime Minister Mia Mottley fell for this line. She said that there were forces that do not want to see the votes recounted…”

 

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Totaram posted:

@Bibi HaniffaHow many times do you have to be told that the votes have been counted?  

Really? Who completed the count? Did you not see Mingo run up the stairs at Ashmins building and Volda block people when they ask him what’s going on. Less than half of Region 4 votes were counted when he dashed out to the waiting ambulance on High Steet and scooted off, then went into hiding for several days.

Bibi Haniffa
Totaram posted:

You pay fo Mendes too?  He chargin top rates.

Of course.  We have deep pockets, earned the good old fashioned way. The hard working men and women of the PPP put our money in the development of democracy.

Bibi Haniffa
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Bibi Haniffa posted:
Totaram posted:

@Bibi HaniffaHow many times do you have to be told that the votes have been counted?  

Really? Who completed the count? Did you not see Mingo run up the stairs at Ashmins building and Volda block people when they ask him what’s going on. Less than half of Region 4 votes were counted when he dashed out to the waiting ambulance on High Steet and scooted off, then went into hiding for several days.

Excuse that girl. She doesn't know what counting means.

FM

The issue is not that APNU/AFC paying the legal fees because the woman who filed the case is an APNU candidate. The real issue is that Granger is now claiming to be a p ussy who has no control over APNU of which he is listed as its leader.

FM
Totaram posted:

@Bibi HaniffaYou just don't understand the voting system in Guyana.  The votes are counted at the place of poll, e.g., Topu votes counted at Topu polling place.  Any questions ?

I was born into the politics of Guyana and know how to count votes my whole life. Members of my family have written extensively on the voting system in Guyana. One of us served as Elections Commissioner. Others served as Ministers and diplomats.  There is no family in the history of Guyana including the Burnhams and Jagans who served longer in Guyana politics. Seventy years and counting.

Bibi Haniffa

Seventy years and counting and you still don't know that votes are counted at the place of poll.  That was the single most important change for the 1992 elections.  Any further questions please see my assistant.

T
ksazma posted:

The issue is not that APNU/AFC paying the legal fees because the woman who filed the case is an APNU candidate. The real issue is that Granger is now claiming to be a p ussy who has no control over APNU of which he is listed as its leader.

It also speaks volume that they have no confidence in Granger and his so called leadership. Sad.

Mitwah
Totaram posted:

Seventy years and counting and you still don't know that votes are counted at the place of poll.  That was the single most important change for the 1992 elections.  Any further questions please see my assistant.

I never said votes were not counted at place of poll. Stop with your nasty lies. 

Bibi Haniffa

Every passing day brings new revelations from Jagdeo.  Today he claimed that the PPP won by 15000 votes.  A few days ago he claimed it was 21000 votes.  The fact is that he claimed victory with incomplete data.  it is going to be interesting but not more than COVID-19.

T
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Totaram posted:

@Bibi HaniffaYou just don't understand the voting system in Guyana.  The votes are counted at the place of poll, e.g., Topu votes counted at Topu polling place.  Any questions ?

I was born into the politics of Guyana and know how to count votes my whole life.

Excellent Distinguished Madam Bibi Haniffa.

Good that you do not count votes like dem bais at GECOM who use their fingers, toes and spreadsheets, contrary to the proper process.

FM
Totaram posted:

Every passing day brings new revelations from Jagdeo.  Today he claimed that the PPP won by 15000 votes.  A few days ago he claimed it was 21000 votes.  The fact is that he claimed victory with incomplete data.  it is going to be interesting but not more than COVID-19.

Here you go again with your lies. Jagdeo and every other politician knows by how many votes Granger lost the Election.  You are making up shit as you go along the way Just like all the other liars in APNU. 

The data is complete since polling stations closed on March 2. That same night Granger knew he lost the election.

PPP got 34 seats. APNU got 30 seats.  Joinder parties got one seat.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Totaram posted:

You pay fo Mendes too?  He chargin top rates.

Of course.  We have deep pockets, earned the good old fashioned way. The hard working men and women of the PPP put our money in the development of democracy.

WATAX.

FM
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The issue is not that APNU/AFC paying the legal fees because the woman who filed the case is an APNU candidate. The real issue is that Granger is now claiming to be a p ussy who has no control over APNU of which he is listed as its leader.

It also speaks volume that they have no confidence in Granger and his so called leadership. Sad.

I have not seen anything yet to compel me to absolve Granger though.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Totaram posted:

Every passing day brings new revelations from Jagdeo.  Today he claimed that the PPP won by 15000 votes.  A few days ago he claimed it was 21000 votes.  The fact is that he claimed victory with incomplete data.  it is going to be interesting but not more than COVID-19.

Here you go again with your lies. Jagdeo and every other politician knows by how many votes Granger lost the Election.  You are making up shit as you go along the way Just like all the other liars in APNU. 

The data is complete since polling stations closed on March 2. That same night Granger knew he lost the election.

PPP got 34 seats. APNU got 30 seats.  Joinder parties got one seat.

I posted a video of Granger, who acknowledged in 2015 that APNU and PPPC knows who win Guyana election hours after the polls are closed. 

I can repost the video here for him. 

FM

Tomorrow will be three weeks since the election was held and they are still looking for another fraudulent way to rig the election. People are not stupid. Including the ones in the coalition who are now hollering about shared governance.  Well they didn’t want shared governance for the last five years. When the new PPP government is installed shared governance will be with all of the small parties. The ones who have shown decency and respect for democracy.

Bibi Haniffa
Totaram posted:

Every passing day brings new revelations from Jagdeo.  Today he claimed that the PPP won by 15000 votes.  A few days ago he claimed it was 21000 votes.  The fact is that he claimed victory with incomplete data.  it is going to be interesting but not more than COVID-19.

You want to know the truth, tell the coalition to show their SOP. They had figures more than registered voters, dumb riggers.All graduates from Congress Place. 

K
Totaram posted:

Dave and his watax.  Go a Golden Grove budday an aks dem bais bout watax .  

Do you mean the Golden Grove mountain range where APNU had 10,000 people at the rally. You are disrespectful, undermining, and lack credibility. Show some decency and tell the people of Guyana the truth.

Bibi Haniffa
Totaram posted:

Seventy years and counting and you still don't know that votes are counted at the place of poll.  That was the single most important change for the 1992 elections.  Any further questions please see my assistant.

And that was because prior to 1992 peoples' votes were never used to declare the PNC the winners of all their rigged elections. For the elections this year the PNC couldn't eliminate the counting of SOPs at the polling places so they had to come up with another trick which is to ignore the SOPs in region and use made up numbers to pretend that they won. Unfortunately for them they were still stuck in the Burnham era while the rest of the world had already been living in a new century for two full decades. Just like prior to 1992 where the electorate votes were disregarded by the PNC so in 2020 Mingo returned to that same wicked playbook and so far has denied the electorate of region of their suffrage rights. And people like you who aid and abet them are equally as guilty of human right abuse.

FM
Mitwah posted:
alena06 posted:

So the ole dawg Granger said a citizen filed for a recount whereas it was him!  

Either that or there is a faction in the PNC camp that have no confidence in him.

They all want to follow Errol, NC.

K
Totaram posted:

Nah, me a talk bout Golden Grove, ECD. A nice place ..Raphael Trotman family from dey.  Some of the nicest people I knew as a child were from that part of Guyana.

Very good. My family used to live there and had to run for their lives when their homes went up in flames in 1964. All of that as a result of election rigging and bullying by the PNC.

Bibi Haniffa

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