Guyana1 (Guest)
AFC is has the most to gain or loose in all that will unfold. If they act constructively in the new parliament, Guyanese will see them as a good alternative. If they act against the government in legislation that people see as being fair then they will loose the soft support from the PPP supporters who voted for them in frustration. These supporters will return back to it's base. It reamins to be seen how the APNU responds but my gut feeling that they will try to polarize the electorate and if they do so then PPP supporters will return back to base. Interesting time is ahead and we can all speculate until parliament opens and Donald's new cabinet will be a good indictor of times ahead.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Churchill:quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is easy to see that both APNU and the AFC will in the coming months call for constitutional reform, arguing that the PPP is a minority government. And this will open a can of worms for Ramotar.
Ramouthar it seems has already opened a can of worms for himself.......he seems reluctant to establish an all inclusive cabinet.....
If Ramotar acts like a fool, it could be the demise of the PPP in office for a very long time
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Churchil, you brushed over the opportunity to be a statesman, the immediate aftermath of 1992. Now, I know you gatt nuff nuff excuses. Plain and simple, LFSB iniatied action but croaked, Jagan got his chance, ran 5 years then croaked. They both failed when they had the card in their hands, plain and simple. We are living the legacy of LFSB and CBJ.
It is not my fault that some folks are unaware of Cheddi's continued efforts to bring national unity in Guyana.....you may not be aware that Cheddi was looking closely at the way Nelson Mandela brought together the warring factions in South Africa into the orbit of a national govt.....I think it was called the Mandela formula....am not too sure of its name....Cheddi started to include qualified Guyanese into the PPP govt structure during his tenure from 1992 until his death in 1997....one such person was Dr.Festus Brotherson who at one time was a leading colleague of Forbes Burnham....there were others also....
Dr.Jagan made it very clear that after the 1997 elections he would have included all parties in a national front govt.....this did not happen as he died before the Dec 1997 elections....those who inheritied his office dropped the ball during massive anti PPP demonstartions associated with the " slo fiah - mo fiah " campaign.....
Former Member
Why the preposterous conclusion that the AFC has to act right? The AFC has a plan and that plan is the right course of action. Their task is to hold the straight and narrow and not focusing on rehabilitating the corrupt PPP but on deconstructing their patronage and nepotistic systems. Their task is to facilitate the forging of new institutions that will not permit an autocratic rule by one party ever again. It is not an easy task; it will be full of the necrotic PPP claiming to be the victim but it has to be done.quote:Originally posted by Guyana1:
AFC is has the most to gain or loose in all that will unfold. If they act constructively in the new parliament, Guyanese will see them as a good alternative. If they act against the government in legislation that people see as being fair then they will loose the soft support from the PPP supporters who voted for them in frustration. These supporters will return back to it's base. It reamins to be seen how the APNU responds but my gut feeling that they will try to polarize the electorate and if they do so then PPP supporters will return back to base. Interesting time is ahead and we can all speculate until parliament opens and Donald's new cabinet will be a good indictor of times ahead.
Former Member
Why will it be a can of worms? Is not your conclusion that the system is dysfunctional hence that little pamphlet on power-sharing with Tara Singh?quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is easy to see that both APNU and the AFC will in the coming months call for constitutional reform, arguing that the PPP is a minority government. And this will open a can of worms for Ramotar.
Former Member
Cheddi's efforts to bring national unity were words. HE had 5 years, the benefaction of the nation and the international community and he sat on his behind and preached good morals. We did not need sermons but transformational action to fabricate systems that meets the vested interest of all concerned.quote:Originally posted by Churchill:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Churchil, you brushed over the opportunity to be a statesman, the immediate aftermath of 1992. Now, I know you gatt nuff nuff excuses. Plain and simple, LFSB iniatied action but croaked, Jagan got his chance, ran 5 years then croaked. They both failed when they had the card in their hands, plain and simple. We are living the legacy of LFSB and CBJ.
It is not my fault that some folks are unaware of Cheddi's continued efforts to bring national unity in Guyana.....you may not be aware that Cheddi was looking closely at the way Nelson Mandela brought together the warring factions in South Africa into the orbit of a national govt.....I think it was called the Mandela formula....am not too sure of its name....Cheddi started to include qualified Guyanese into the PPP govt structure during his tenure from 1992 until his death in 1997....one such person was Dr.Festus Brotherson who at one time was a leading colleague of Forbes Burnham....there were others also....
Dr.Jagan made it very clear that after the 1997 elections he would have included all parties in a national front govt.....this did not happen as he died before the Dec 1997 elections....those who inheritied his office dropped the ball during massive anti PPP demonstartions associated with the " slo fiah - mo fiah " campaign.....
Black people are not in the streets because of some genetic programming. They are there because they feel left out. Whether their reasons for that is real of fictive they ought to be addressed.
If APNU had won this election and began to do as the PPP did, replace all ambassadors with black folks, award all contracts to their kith and kin who do you think would be disgruntled and whining of racism? How long must we sit back and let these cycles of race based development in the society keep us in the dirt?
Guyana is not a black or Indian man domain. The reality that these two groups have been at each others throat over political turf has to end so the rest of us cannot be at the sharp end of this dispute. Cheddi might have been a good man but as a change agent, he sucked.
Former Member
yo what is you with and this stupid collie thing,with statment like that,tell me how you is smarter that the stupid collie.the racist black people vote for APNU the racist collie vote for the ppp,these are the stupid guyanese.are you one of them.any good and smart guyanese living in the 21 century will know that any nation that is racist will not prosperquote:Originally posted by Inqubus:quote:Originally posted by TI:
APNU will ensure that PPP stay in power.
Next election (if the country is not destroyed) the PPP will once again get a resounding majority.
yea we know the y will always stay in power and it has nothing to do with APNU it has to do with stupid, backward coolies who outnumber afros voting blindly for indian party maybe in time AFC will take over as the new indian party but coolies will always vote race. look at yourself and u'll find answers.
Former Member
quote:You guys should help to dismantle APNU.
this is so assinine and shows your lack of understanding of Guyana politics...APNU got 40% of the votes...how do you propose dismantling them??
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Churchill:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Churchil, you brushed over the opportunity to be a statesman, the immediate aftermath of 1992. Now, I know you gatt nuff nuff excuses. Plain and simple, LFSB iniatied action but croaked, Jagan got his chance, ran 5 years then croaked. They both failed when they had the card in their hands, plain and simple. We are living the legacy of LFSB and CBJ.
It is not my fault that some folks are unaware of Cheddi's continued efforts to bring national unity in Guyana.....you may not be aware that Cheddi was looking closely at the way Nelson Mandela brought together the warring factions in South Africa into the orbit of a national govt.....I think it was called the Mandela formula....am not too sure of its name....Cheddi started to include qualified Guyanese into the PPP govt structure during his tenure from 1992 until his death in 1997....one such person was Dr.Festus Brotherson who at one time was a leading colleague of Forbes Burnham....there were others also....
Dr.Jagan made it very clear that after the 1997 elections he would have included all parties in a national front govt.....this did not happen as he died before the Dec 1997 elections....those who inheritied his office dropped the ball during massive anti PPP demonstartions associated with the " slo fiah - mo fiah " campaign.....
Churchil, come on, you behaving kindergarden. Including a few Afros in the PPP structure does not amount to much. What was needed was a full-out national dialogue and a look at the power structure. PNC had many indians, made no difference to Indians, same of afros. Mandela initiated a high-profile national recon committee, and afros are 85% there. If this was CBJ's idea of National Govt, then he falls far short. Don't give me that...after 1997 crap, he was in his 70's, why he waited when he and only he had the political currency. So, conclusion, he failed, no excuses.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is going to be difficult for the PPP to capture 33 seats in the next election, given the present results. The opposition sees weaknesses in the PPP and will work to exploit them in the coming years. Much will depend on the style of the Ramotar Presidency.
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy, including, the eleven thousand in BerbiceâĶâĶ before the elections , the AFC talk extravagantly what they will do for the country, now after the elections they must do what they talk they are going to do. Factors to consider keeping those thirty thousands happyâĶ..them âa-watch-me.
1. More infrastructure developments in Indian neighborhoods.
2. The AFC big shot lawyers in Parliament and outside of parliament must not appear to be the voice and representative of criminals, especially, when these crimes are committed against innocent people â
3. Must act independently from PNC.
4. Must not seen to be blocking or be seen as a hindrance to legislative bills that affect the common people, like issues pertaining to the allocations of funds and the passage of the budget and so on- things that directly affect these people lives.
5. Remember most of the Indians voted. For Ramjattan and Nagamootoo and not Benjie and Hughes and so onâĶ.in fact they might soon find out who they are âĶ.
6. Finally, most of the AFC supporters are really Ex PPP supporters that are easy to chase home.
Former Member
Many people across the political boundaries were empowered as a result of the local govt elections during Cheddi's tenure.....
There have been no local govt elections since then.....
I am not into making excuses....it is a fact that those who succeeded Cheddi failed to build on the foundations he laid....
There have been no local govt elections since then.....
I am not into making excuses....it is a fact that those who succeeded Cheddi failed to build on the foundations he laid....
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Churchill:
Many people across the political boundaries were empowered as a result of the local govt elections during Cheddi's tenure.....
There have been no local govt elections since then.....
I am not into making excuses....it is a fact that those who succeeded Cheddi failed to build on the foundations he laid....
Well Churchill, I know you are much more informed on things. But I tell you, only CBJ had the stature, trust and political currency to pull it off. The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him. No one else commanded that, he failed to leverage it, so we are where we are. I would have agreed with you had he iniated and put the frameworks in place, then croaked and his follow-ons took it apart. Nothing was done.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is going to be difficult for the PPP to capture 33 seats in the next election, given the present results. The opposition sees weaknesses in the PPP and will work to exploit them in the coming years. Much will depend on the style of the Ramotar Presidency.
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy, including, the eleven thousand in BerbiceâĶâĶ before the elections , the AFC talk extravagantly what they will do for the country, now after the elections they must do what they talk they are going to do. Factors to consider keeping those thirty thousands happyâĶ..them âa-watch-me.
1. More infrastructure developments in Indian neighborhoods.
2. The AFC big shot lawyers in Parliament and outside of parliament must not appear to be the voice and representative of criminals, especially, when these crimes are committed against innocent people â
3. Must act independently from PNC.
4. Must not seen to be blocking or be seen as a hindrance to legislative bills that affect the common people, like issues pertaining to the allocations of funds and the passage of the budget and so on- things that directly affect these people lives.
5. Remember most of the Indians voted. For Ramjattan and Nagamootoo and not Benjie and Hughes and so onâĶ.in fact they might soon find out who they are âĶ.
6. Finally, most of the AFC supporters are really Ex PPP supporters that are easy to chase home.
Bai Dave, I never thought I could agree so much with you.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy . . .
??! . . . Every time I allow myself to think that the PRIMITIVES have finally evolved, I receive a not-so-gentle reminder that stink tribalism will forever define the VERY existence of some 'men' on this BB.
*I note that the stink has now been cosigned by Baseman*
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy . . .
??! . . . Every time I allow myself to think that the PRIMITIVES have finally evolved, I receive a not-so-gentle reminder that stink tribalism will forever define the VERY existence of some 'men' on this BB.
*I note that the stink has now been cosigned by Baseman*
TK, why when anyone speak about Indians rights one is labeled a racist and when one speak about The Black demands , for example Mr. Nigel Hughes in your party, they are called Freedom Fighters?
Former Member
you don want a oppisition you want a pet dogquote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is going to be difficult for the PPP to capture 33 seats in the next election, given the present results. The opposition sees weaknesses in the PPP and will work to exploit them in the coming years. Much will depend on the style of the Ramotar Presidency.
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy, including, the eleven thousand in BerbiceâĶâĶ before the elections , the AFC talk extravagantly what they will do for the country, now after the elections they must do what they talk they are going to do. Factors to consider keeping those thirty thousands happyâĶ..them âa-watch-me.
1. More infrastructure developments in Indian neighborhoods.
2. The AFC big shot lawyers in Parliament and outside of parliament must not appear to be the voice and representative of criminals, especially, when these crimes are committed against innocent people â
3. Must act independently from PNC.
4. Must not seen to be blocking or be seen as a hindrance to legislative bills that affect the common people, like issues pertaining to the allocations of funds and the passage of the budget and so on- things that directly affect these people lives.
5. Remember most of the Indians voted. For Ramjattan and Nagamootoo and not Benjie and Hughes and so onâĶ.in fact they might soon find out who they are âĶ.
6. Finally, most of the AFC supporters are really Ex PPP supporters that are easy to chase home.
Bai Dave, I never thought I could agree so much with you.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy . . .
??! . . . Every time I allow myself to think that the PRIMITIVES have finally evolved, I receive a not-so-gentle reminder that stink tribalism will forever define the VERY existence of some 'men' on this BB.
*I note that the stink has now been cosigned by Baseman*
TK, why when anyone speak about Indians rights one is labeled a racist and when one speak about The Black demands , for example Mr. Nigel Hughes in your party, they are called Freedom Fighters?
I am not TK . . . you are indeed a fool if you think so.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by Churchill:
Many people across the political boundaries were empowered as a result of the local govt elections during Cheddi's tenure.....
There have been no local govt elections since then.....
I am not into making excuses....it is a fact that those who succeeded Cheddi failed to build on the foundations he laid....
Well Churchill, I know you are much more informed on things. But I tell you, only CBJ had the stature, trust and political currency to pull it off. The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him. No one else commanded that, he failed to leverage it, so we are where we are. I would have agreed with you had he iniated and put the frameworks in place, then croaked and his follow-ons took it apart. Nothing was done.
During the year and a half prior to the 1992 elections Cheddi met with many groups, both political and non political, to outline his plans ...A constant theme was " winner will not take all " which in essence meant inclusiveness.....eventually the concept of the CIVIC was born to allow the PPP to include qualified persons across the political,business and religious spectrum to equally participate in govt both at the cabinet and parliamentary level....it would also have brought in the racial balance necessary to allay the fears of Indian domination....
This CIVIC concept became real in 1992...this concept was not mere words it was real....it was a mechanism put into place and was used to balance the govt....
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy . . .
??! . . . Every time I allow myself to think that the PRIMITIVES have finally evolved, I receive a not-so-gentle reminder that stink tribalism will forever define the VERY existence of some 'men' on this BB.
*I note that the stink has now been cosigned by Baseman*
TK, why when anyone speak about Indians rights one is labeled a racist and when one speak about The Black demands , for example Mr. Nigel Hughes in your party, they are called Freedom Fighters?
I am not TK . . . you are indeed a fool if you think so.
redux, greenux pinkux, fortunately, your identity is insignificant and meaningless to the logic. âĶit is your idea ,however foolish it may be that Iâm challenging...
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:
âĶit is your idea ,however foolish it may be that Iâm challenging...
WHAT idea of mine are you challenging??
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by warrior:you don want a oppisition you want a pet dogquote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by Dave Matrix:quote:Originally posted by Alexander:
It is going to be difficult for the PPP to capture 33 seats in the next election, given the present results. The opposition sees weaknesses in the PPP and will work to exploit them in the coming years. Much will depend on the style of the Ramotar Presidency.
The real challenges for the AFC in the next five years are to keep thirty thousand Indians happy, including, the eleven thousand in BerbiceâĶâĶ before the elections , the AFC talk extravagantly what they will do for the country, now after the elections they must do what they talk they are going to do. Factors to consider keeping those thirty thousands happyâĶ..them âa-watch-me.
1. More infrastructure developments in Indian neighborhoods.
2. The AFC big shot lawyers in Parliament and outside of parliament must not appear to be the voice and representative of criminals, especially, when these crimes are committed against innocent people â
3. Must act independently from PNC.
4. Must not seen to be blocking or be seen as a hindrance to legislative bills that affect the common people, like issues pertaining to the allocations of funds and the passage of the budget and so on- things that directly affect these people lives.
5. Remember most of the Indians voted. For Ramjattan and Nagamootoo and not Benjie and Hughes and so onâĶ.in fact they might soon find out who they are âĶ.
6. Finally, most of the AFC supporters are really Ex PPP supporters that are easy to chase home.
Bai Dave, I never thought I could agree so much with you.
Sunday Morning wisdomâĶkeeps it safe.
It is better to have a pet dog and have the whole neighborhood happy than to have a pit bull and the entire neighborhood at war.
quote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by Churchill:
Many people across the political boundaries were empowered as a result of the local govt elections during Cheddi's tenure.....
There have been no local govt elections since then.....
I am not into making excuses....it is a fact that those who succeeded Cheddi failed to build on the foundations he laid....
Well Churchill, I know you are much more informed on things. But I tell you, only CBJ had the stature, trust and political currency to pull it off. The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him. No one else commanded that, he failed to leverage it, so we are where we are. I would have agreed with you had he iniated and put the frameworks in place, then croaked and his follow-ons took it apart. Nothing was done.
Baseman.
A man who aspire not to have wealth have no appreciation of a valued life style. Many here praise Jagan for that,and even go as far to consider him to be a Mahatma. The real Mahatma sought no political office because he knew it doan politics and a frugal life style doan mix.
All of Cheddie's proteges have wealth and live well -thieves are among such ppl.
If Cheddie knew the value of wealth for any society, he would have been a better person, a better leader and a man who had a definite order about doing things. He left his party complete choas.
Tell me, Baseman are those good attribute for leadership?
HE HAS FAILED GUYANA.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by seignet:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Well Churchill, I know you are much more informed on things. But I tell you, only CBJ had the stature, trust and political currency to pull it off. The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him. No one else commanded that, he failed to leverage it, so we are where we are. I would have agreed with you had he iniated and put the frameworks in place, then croaked and his follow-ons took it apart. Nothing was done.
Baseman.
A man who aspire not to have wealth have no appreciation of a valued life style. Many here praise Jagan for that,and even go as far to consider him to be a Mahatma. The real Mahatma sought no political office because he knew it doan politics and a frugal life style doan mix.
All of Cheddie's proteges have wealth and live well -thieves are among such ppl.
If Cheddie knew the value of wealth for any society, he would have been a better person, a better leader and a man who had a definite order about doing things. He left his party complete choas.
Tell me, Baseman are those good attribute for leadership?
HE HAS FAILED GUYANA.
Hey man, why ask my that question, I never said he was. I was pushing back at Churchill on the issue of national reconciliation, which I believe he missed and why we have the mess today and for generation to come. The guy made one bad choice after another and we paid darely for it. I never understood his thinking.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:
The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him [Cheddi Jagan].
Cheddi in his time [and the Indian Guyanese people] endured a baptism of fire unmatched by anything since . . . the ethnic divide then was dangerously meaningful in ways that only the oldtimers can truly appreciate.
And YET, the above is true . . . WHY?!
Perhaps, the leadership of today's PPP and their fellow traveling worshippers, should reflect a bit on why this is so.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him [Cheddi Jagan].
Cheddi in his time [and the Indian Guyanese people] endured a baptism of fire unmatched by anything since . . . the ethnic divide then was dangerously meaningful in ways that only the oldtimers can truly appreciate.
And YET, the above is true . . . WHY?!
Perhaps, the leadership of today's PPP and their fellow traveling worshippers, should reflect a bit on why this is so.
You go ask them why. He dead anyway, so who cares at this point. We have today, Ramotar, Ramjattan, Granger, those are the players of the day.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
The Afro masses did have a certain respect and trust for him [Cheddi Jagan].
Cheddi in his time [and the Indian Guyanese people] endured a baptism of fire unmatched by anything since . . . the ethnic divide then was dangerously meaningful in ways that only the oldtimers can truly appreciate.
And YET, the above is true . . . WHY?!
Perhaps, the leadership of today's PPP and their fellow traveling worshippers, should reflect a bit on why this is so.
You go ask them why. He dead anyway, so who cares at this point. We have today, Ramotar, Ramjattan, Granger, those are the players of the day.
You were (are??) quite recently part of the fellow traveling crew . . . I am asking YOU Sir!
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
You go ask them why. He dead anyway, so who cares at this point. We have today, Ramotar, Ramjattan, Granger, those are the players of the day.
You were (are??) quite recently part of the fellow traveling crew . . . I am asking YOU Sir!
Well, you don't know me then, so why waste my time. As I said, go ask them.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by redux:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
You go ask them why. He dead anyway, so who cares at this point. We have today, Ramotar, Ramjattan, Granger, those are the players of the day.
You were (are??) quite recently part of the fellow traveling crew . . . I am asking YOU Sir!
Well, you don't know me then, so why waste my time. As I said, go ask them.
Don't run, think on it anyway . . . you just might acquire some self knowledge.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Cobra:
You guys should help to dismantle APNU. .
Why/ They got 41% of the votes. Its Ramotar who ought to show that he understands the frustration of the AfroGuyanesem, who have been locked out and abused for 19 years, by signalling an olive branch. Yet his appointments show no change in how the PPP will operate.
What new faces has he brought in? How has he signalled a desire to be inclusive?
No. Its more of the same. Do as the PPP says, or you arent cooperating.
Well time for a new PPP which recognizes the mistakes of the old.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by caribj:quote:Originally posted by Cobra:
You guys should help to dismantle APNU. .
Why/ They got 41% of the votes. Its Ramotar who ought to show that he understands the frustration of the AfroGuyanesem, who have been locked out and abused for 19 years, by signalling an olive branch. Yet his appointments show no change in how the PPP will operate.
What new faces has he brought in? How has he signalled a desire to be inclusive?
No. Its more of the same. Do as the PPP says, or you arent cooperating.
Well time for a new PPP which recognizes the mistakes of the old.
PNC got 43% in 1992. What was the frustration back then?
Former Member
Too much milk.quote:Originally posted by baseman:quote:Originally posted by caribj:quote:Originally posted by Cobra:
You guys should help to dismantle APNU. .
Why/ They got 41% of the votes. Its Ramotar who ought to show that he understands the frustration of the AfroGuyanesem, who have been locked out and abused for 19 years, by signalling an olive branch. Yet his appointments show no change in how the PPP will operate.
What new faces has he brought in? How has he signalled a desire to be inclusive?
No. Its more of the same. Do as the PPP says, or you arent cooperating.
Well time for a new PPP which recognizes the mistakes of the old.
PNC got 43% in 1992. What was the frustration back then?
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:
[PNC got 43% in 1992. What was the frustration back then?
AfroGuyanese feared what would happen under Indo rule, based upon what happened in 1957-64.
They were correct. Even Luncheon couldnt disprove the rampant racism which has ocurred under the PPP.
Did Indians vote WPA by the way, given that its that party and not the PPP which aggressively and bravely confronted Burnham, suffering bodily harm for doing so? No. Indos feared Afro rule so flocked to the PPP.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by caribj:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
[PNC got 43% in 1992. What was the frustration back then?
AfroGuyanese feared what would happen under Indo rule, based upon what happened in 1957-64.
They were correct. Even Luncheon couldnt disprove the rampant racism which has ocurred under the PPP.
Did Indians vote WPA by the way, given that its that party and not the PPP which aggressively and bravely confronted Burnham, suffering bodily harm for doing so? No. Indos feared Afro rule so flocked to the PPP.
Good and Indo fears a return to 1964-1992, so shut yuh rass go lick your wounds. You got a good answer for everything. THis is why you aint getting a chance buddy...get it, never again.
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quote:Originally posted by D2:He has five years only in his mind. He will not last three. We will get a no confidence vote as soon as the APNU and the AFC cut their supply to free state cash and resources to facilitate a campaign. Much of what will happen between then and now is a dismantling of the PPP.quote:Originally posted by Cobra:
Did APNU and AFC do the honorable thing and conceded the election and congratulate President Donald Ramotar? Well, the president-elect is now the executive president of the cooperative Republic of Guyana and commander-in-chief of the arm forces while APNU is still protesting with its supporters. Some things never change, and putting sheep clothing on wolf only change the exterior but not the old dirty habits.
President Ramotar said he will work with all parties for the next five years for the good to the country. I notice the AFC is calm and mean business. I know they will serve the best interest of Guyana and the people.
It's too early to tell what APNU is up and how they will perform in parliament. Even though the opposition holds the majority seats, it will need much support from APNU to pass major legislations.
If the AFC recognizes that APNU will be a stalemate on important issues in parliament they should vote along with the PPP and leave them APNU alone to dwindle.
The AFC shown strength and courage, and they're in a good position be the major opposition or the leading party in 2016. I foresee APNU days are coming to an end.
Dismantling of the PPP is not going to happen. It's all a figment of your imagination.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Cobra:
Did APNU and AFC do the honorable thing and conceded the election and congratulate President Donald Ramotar? Well, the president-elect is now the executive president of the cooperative Republic of Guyana and commander-in-chief of the arm forces while APNU is still protesting with its supporters. Some things never change, and putting sheep clothing on wolf only change the exterior but not the old dirty habits.
President Ramotar said he will work with all parties for the next five years for the good of the country. I notice the AFC is calm and mean business. I know they will serve the best interest of Guyana and the people.
It's too early to tell what APNU is up and how they will perform in parliament. Even though the opposition holds the majority seats, it will need much support from APNU to pass major legislations.
If the AFC recognizes that APNU will be a stalemate on important issues in parliament they should vote along with the PPP and leave APNU alone to dwindle.
The AFC shown strength and courage, and they're in a good position be the major opposition or the leading party in 2016. I foresee APNU days are coming to an end.
The opposition can defeat a bill and there would be no election call. The opposition has to defeat the government on a NO confidence motion or defeat the budget, before there can be anopther election. The Don'e first term will be over.
Former Member
Unless there is a vote in parliament the opposition can do squat all..
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Good and Indo fears a return to 1964-1992, .
Afro fears from 1967-64 and from 1992 until now. Hence the large turnout for APNU, even though you know full well they did nothing to deserve it.
Deal with both fears and maybe we make progress. Focus only on Indo fears and then w e dont.
The biggest message of this election was the vast mobilization of African and mixed voters against what they considered to be an Indian diciatorship. They didnt turn out because of Granger, so he now needs to convince them that he will represent them in ways that Corbin and Hoyte didnt.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
r defeat the budget, .
Which they can threaten to do if the PPP fails to understand that they no longer have the people's mandate.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by caribj:quote:Originally posted by baseman:
Good and Indo fears a return to 1964-1992, .
Afro fears from 1967-64 and from 1992 until now. Hence the large turnout for APNU, even though you know full well they did nothing to deserve it.
Deal with both fears and maybe we make progress. Focus only on Indo fears and then w e dont.
The biggest message of this election was the vast mobilization of African and mixed voters against what they considered to be an Indian diciatorship. They didnt turn out because of Granger, so he now needs to convince them that he will represent them in ways that Corbin and Hoyte didnt.
You funny, Afro fears, but Indians always on te receiving end. Bai, go datt side wid yuh crap.
Former Member
quote:Originally posted by baseman:
You funny, Afro fears, but Indians always on te receiving end. Bai, go datt side wid yuh crap.
Have a chat with Nigel...that is if you are still an AFC supporter. He can fill you in with his research data.
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