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Listen! If a Moses nagamootoo or a Khemraj Ramjattan had defected to APNU---that would have been a major coup for APNU.

 

But Tarron Khemraj and the others are pipsqueaks----they have no following in Guyana.

 

As a PPP supporter it is good to see turmoil in the AFC---and so I'll give praise to TK and the others for bolting from the AFC.

 

But make to mistake folks:

 

 

DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

THERE IS A 99% CHANCE DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT

 

 

 

The numbers don't lie folks!

 

Like I said to Mitwah---despite the PPP complacency and despite tons of charges of corruption that was thrown at Jagdeo and his cabal by Nagamootoo and others, Donald Ramotar and the PPP still pulled 48.6% of the votes in the 2011 electon.

 

TK and the others defecting from the AFC ensure that the party has peaked---they will not pull the 10.3% of the votes they got in the 2011 election.

 

Let's say the AFC loses 6%----so from 10.3% they'll get 4.3% in the next election----and let's assume that APNU will pick up all of the 6% the AFC loses:

 

Then APNU will increase from 40.83 to 46.83%----that's not good enough to win the presidency.

 

The PPP received 48.6% of the votes in 2011----they'll likely hold that 48.6%---and if luck runs their way----they can top 50%.

 

RAMOTAR WILL BE RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT.

 

Rev

The PPP will peak at 45%. The question is whether the opposition can unify and get pass the 45% as a group or split as a two factions. PPP is not getting beyond 45%. 

FM
Originally Posted by JB:
 

The PPP will peak at 45%. The question is whether the opposition can unify and get pass the 45% as a group or split as a two factions. PPP is not getting beyond 45%. 


You are entitled to engage in a little wishful thinking!

 

How did you arrive at 45% ?

 

In 2011 the PPP got 48.6%--and won the presidency---and that was despite the complacency of the party and despite all the charges of corruption that was directed at the party by Nagamootoo and others---they still won.

 

And keep in mind---Ramotar had a low profile among PPP members----and still managed to pull 48.6%

 

In the next election Ramotar will be the incumbent----APNU will pull votes from AFC----but Ramotar will likely hold that 48.6% and may even add to it.

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE GRANTED A 2ND TERM BY THE VOTERS!

 

Talkers like Tarron Khemraj will not deny Ramotar a 2nd term.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by JB:
 

The PPP will peak at 45%. The question is whether the opposition can unify and get pass the 45% as a group or split as a two factions. PPP is not getting beyond 45%. 


You are entitled to engage in a little wishful thinking!

 

How did you arrive at 45% ?

 

In 2011 the PPP got 48.6%--and won the presidency---and that was despite the complacency of the party and despite all the charges of corruption that was directed at the party by Nagamootoo and others---they still won.

 

And keep in mind---Ramotar had a low profile among PPP members----and still managed to pull 48.6%

 

In the next election Ramotar will be the incumbent----APNU will pull votes from AFC----but Ramotar will likely hold that 48.6% and may even add to it.

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE GRANTED A 2ND TERM BY THE VOTERS!

 

Talkers like Tarron Khemraj will not deny Ramotar a 2nd term.

 

Rev

 

 

 

Common sense will tell you the PPPC will peak at 45%. Whether a combined opposition can get beyond 45%, I don't know. Let's stay tuned! 

FM
Originally Posted by JB:
 

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Common sense will tell you the PPPC will peak at 45%. Whether a combined opposition can get beyond 45%, I don't know. Let's stay tuned! 


Common sense ?

 

You can do better that that TK!

 

You could have said---the PPP pulled 45.8% of the votes in the 1964 election---and that is where they are headed in the next election.

 

 

Anyway---Ramotar is the incumbent---and in the next election he will either match the 48.6% he received in 2011 or improve on it.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
In the next election Ramotar will be the incumbent---- APNU will pull votes from AFC---- but Ramotar will likely hold that 48.6% and may even add to it.

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE GRANTED A 2ND TERM BY THE VOTERS!

 

Correct -- winner with more than 50% of the votes.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

JB, I wished the AFC did not vote with the PPP. I am also paying much attention to APNU and their fight for transparency and accountability.

 

“The two sides examined the current economic, political and social situation in Guyana and concluded that a broad ‘pro-Guyana’ approach was needed to stimulate movement towards the attainment of their common objectives. They agreed to work together to build structures to improve governance, promote national unity and advance human development.




The AFC voted with the PPP out of the same crony capitalist motivations that have bedeviled the PPP, an will the PNC at some point.  Nigel and Cathy had their own personal interests to protect and embarrassed the AFC into supporting them.  This after a very noisy condemnation of Amaila.

 

Not good.  Many might conclude that if the AFC is as corrupt as the PPP and the PNC then they might as well join one of the two powerful parties.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Rev:
In the next election Ramotar will be the incumbent---- APNU will pull votes from AFC---- but Ramotar will likely hold that 48.6% and may even add to it.

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

DONALD RAMOTAR WILL BE GRANTED A 2ND TERM BY THE VOTERS!

 

Correct -- winner with more than 50% of the votes.


I see you are losing hope.  Last time youscreamed taht the PPP will win over 60% of the votes and legions of blacks will  join them.

 

Dont know why given that many visitors to Guyana now have the perception that Guyana is a piece of India as almost all of the people in top positions are Indians. 

 

 

Its reached the point where the racism is now openly vulgar.  At least Burnham used to have a few token Indians heading agencies, Yesu Persaud being one of them.

 

 

BTW some little customs officer isnt in a top position sodont tell me how many blacks work for the govt.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
 

Anyway---Ramotar is the incumbent---and in the next election he will either match the 48.6% he received in 2011 or improve on it.

 

Rev

 

 


Rev Ramotar is tellimng you to stop making forecasts.  You screamed that the PPP would win in a land slide.  Theyt LOST control of parliament.  You screamed that Obama would only get 40% of the votes. He got 51% and won most of the seats in the Electoral College by a large margin.

 

Your projections of a PPP victory are of no importance.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Not good.  Many might conclude that if the AFC is as corrupt as the PPP and the PNC then they might as well join one of the two powerful parties.

Perhaps, AFC is far ahead of the other parties.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

 

And keep in mind---Ramotar had a low profile among PPP members----and still managed to pull 48.6%

 

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

 

 

Ramotar is an even bigger racist than Jagdeo was and he had a huge hatred for blacks, except for the ones who he could control.  Amerindians are angry with the PPP.

 

So who is left to vote for them.

 

Take care that the Indians in Guyana might do what the Indians in Chaguanas West (in Tdad) did and that is vote for a black man because they find that the Indo UNC is too corrupt.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Rev:

 

And keep in mind---Ramotar had a low profile among PPP members----and still managed to pull 48.6%

 

 

BOTTOM LINE:

 

 

 

Ramotar is an even bigger racist than Jagdeo was and he had a huge hatred for blacks, except for the ones who he could control.  Amerindians are angry with the PPP.

 

So who is left to vote for them.

 

Take care that the Indians in Guyana might do what the Indians in Chaguanas West (in Tdad) did and that is vote for a black man because they find that the Indo UNC is too corrupt.

 

Mr CaribJ i very much enjoy reading your posts. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

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Rev Ramotar is tellimng you to stop making forecasts.  You screamed that the PPP would win in a land slide. 

Your projections of a PPP victory are of no importance.


carib bai:

 

The Guyana election was in 2011---the Rev started posting on GNI in Jan 2012, so no way I could have been screaming 60% landslide win for the PPP.

 

RE: OBAMA in the 2012 election

 

I was dead wrong.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

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Rev Ramotar is tellimng you to stop making forecasts.  You screamed that the PPP would win in a land slide. 

Your projections of a PPP victory are of no importance.


carib bai:

 

The Guyana election was in 2011---the Rev started posting on GNI in Jan 2012, so no way I could have been screaming 60% landslide win for the PPP.

 

RE: OBAMA in the 2012 election

 

I was dead wrong.

 

Rev

 

 

You are a liar. You were here. You have no credibility.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

You are a liar. You were here. You have no credibility.


Check with Amral or Sunil---the Rev initially registered as Rev Al in Jan 2012---then changed to Rev a few months ago.

 

Rev

FM

AFC has left me”– Tarron Khemraj

Economist Tarron Khemraj

Economist Tarron Khemraj

Economist Tarron Khemraj has confirmed that he has indeed crossed over to the A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) and left the Alliance For Change (AFC). He noted that he believes there needs to be a unified opposition if it is to win an election.

Speaking to Guyana Times via telephone, he said if this is left to the AFC there would be no unified opposition. He disclosed that he had notified the AFC that he would be leaving the party via an email about two weeks ago, adding that the response he received from AFC Member of Parliament Cathy Hughes was that, “if you go, it will be sad.”

He firmly stated that “AFC has left me, I have not left the AFC”, since from the 2011 general election to now the party did not seek his advice on any issue or decision it made. He explained that pre-elections the party regularly obtained his input, but even with regards to the Amaila Falls Hydropower Project, it did not seek to ask his advice. He said AFC has decided it would not go down the consultation road since elections.

Khemraj added that he, Dr Asquith Rose and businessman Rab Mukraj decided to move forward and build something with APNU, explaining that “we have decided to team up with Granger/APNU on a unity movement that will focus on the single goal: unity and human development.

We would pool efforts and ideas. We hope to get the support and inputs of the AFC and even folks from the PPP”.

 Subsequently, in the coming months, there should be more talks and revelations. He added that he has no enmity towards the AFC and continues to have the strongest respect for its members.

AFC leader Khemraj Ramjattan for a second day running said the party would be releasing a statement on the issue, but up to press time this was not done.

FM

He(Tarron Khemraj) firmly stated that “AFC has left me, I have not left the AFC”, since from the 2011 general election to now the party did not seek his advice on any issue or decision it made

 

 

TK was exposed as a lil pipsqueak on this GNI forum---an intellectual lightweight----no wonder the AFC chose to ignore him after the 2011 election---It's just a matter of time before the PNC put him on ignore.

 

Rev

FM

These same characters destroyed the ROAR party and left a potentially great leader in the political doldrums. Ravi Dev learned the hard way. Moses and Ramjhattan, former stalwarts from the PPP, are getting a taste of what it's like to team up with people whose capacity for opportunism and envy knows no bounds. Rab Mukraj portrayed an image as a Guyana citizen with a love for democracy and a safeguarder of Indian rights through his letters to the Stabroek News. However, as time goes by this same character like many others have has revealed his true nature as a feigner whose self-interest takes precedence of over everything good, moral, patriotic, and righteous.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

These same characters destroyed the ROAR party and left a potentially great leader in the political doldrums. Ravi Dev learned the hard way. Moses and Ramjhattan, former stalwarts from the PPP, are getting a taste of what it's like to team up with people whose capacity for opportunism and envy knows no bounds. Rab Mukraj portrayed an image as a Guyana citizen with a love for democracy and a safeguarder of Indian rights through his letters to the Stabroek News. However, as time goes by this same character like many others have has revealed his true nature as a feigner whose self-interest takes precedence of over everything good, moral, patriotic, and righteous.


Well said Billy!

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

TK was exposed as a lil pipsqueak on this GNI forum--- an intellectual lightweight---- no wonder the AFC chose to ignore him after the 2011 election--- It's just a matter of time before the PNC put him on ignore.

 

Rev

Tarron Khemraj always has the firm belief that he is far ahead of all others that his head is way up in the clouds and his feel dangling for support on earth.

 

Perhaps, he will never learn/know that basically we are all "equals" with each, of course, having her/his personal experiences and skills, which should always be readily available to others.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

He(Tarron Khemraj) firmly stated that “AFC has left me, I have not left the AFC”, since from the 2011 general election to now the party did not seek his advice on any issue or decision it made

As in his "travels" ==

 

PPP/C => ROAR => AFC => PNC => ????

FM

I join this board recently so I don't know all the dynamics. The little I gathered is as follows. Mr DG was a specialist engineer for President Burnham but somehow managed to sabotage the former President. Mr Rev seems to work for Blackstone and once wished to lynch blackmen. What I miss is the fascination Mr DG and Mr Rev have for  Mr TK. The media also seems very keen to carry lead stories about Mr Khemraj? Why is that so Mr Rev and Mr DG?

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

These same characters destroyed the ROAR party and left a potentially great leader in the political doldrums. Ravi Dev learned the hard way. Moses and Ramjhattan, former stalwarts from the PPP, are getting a taste of what it's like to team up with people whose capacity for opportunism and envy knows no bounds. Rab Mukraj portrayed an image as a Guyana citizen with a love for democracy and a safeguarder of Indian rights through his letters to the Stabroek News. However, as time goes by this same character like many others have has revealed his true nature as a feigner whose self-interest takes precedence of over everything good, moral, patriotic, and righteous.

 

The ROAR was dead upon arrival. 

FM
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

These same characters destroyed the ROAR party and left a potentially great leader in the political doldrums. Ravi Dev learned the hard way. Moses and Ramjhattan, former stalwarts from the PPP, are getting a taste of what it's like to team up with people whose capacity for opportunism and envy knows no bounds. Rab Mukraj portrayed an image as a Guyana citizen with a love for democracy and a safeguarder of Indian rights through his letters to the Stabroek News. However, as time goes by this same character like many others have has revealed his true nature as a feigner whose self-interest takes precedence of over everything good, moral, patriotic, and righteous.

 

Do they display self interest like Mr Ravi Dev's connection to Jagdeo/Bobby Ramroop? 

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

President Ramoutar should call an election now before the APNU gets stronger..

The question is this: when will Mitwah join his guru TK and run over to the APNU? Tell us Mitwah because you have been really silent about TK. 

FM
Originally Posted by Ronald Sugrim:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

President Ramoutar should call an election now before the APNU gets stronger..

The question is this: when will Mitwah join his guru TK and run over to the APNU? Tell us Mitwah because you have been really silent about TK. 

The AFC gang have become boots lickers. Some will now polish Granger and the thug Carl Greenidge boots while the rest that are left with the AFC will lick Nigel boots. They deserve what they got.

 

Instead of being constructive with the goodwill shown towards the AFC, they chose to rub shoulders with the PNC and eventually destroyed their party.

FM

The problem facing the current leader of the PNC and APNU is how to win some Indian votes in order to win the 2016 elections. Indians are very forgiving. PNC needs to apologize for what the Burhamites did in the 60's.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

The problem facing the current leader of the PNC and APNU is how to win some Indian votes in order to win the 2016 elections. Indians are very forgiving. PNC needs to apologize for what the Burhamites did in the 60's.

That may very well happen before the next election. The call for changing the constitution is equally important to me. 

FM

Granger will never apologised to Indians for Burnham sins. Granger need to apologize for himself for rigging the elections for Burnham. He need to apologise for Linden riots and the burning of schools. Granger want to bring back National Service and Guylines and Indo-Guyanese had 28 years of that horrible experience. Raping our women is still fresh in our minds and here Mitwah is trying to sell out Indians in a different way to the PNC. Enough is enough!

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Granger will never apologised to Indians for Burnham sins. Granger need to apologize for himself for rigging the elections for Burnham. He need to apologise for Linden riots and the burning of schools. Granger want to bring back National Service and Guylines and Indo-Guyanese had 28 years of that horrible experience. Raping our women is still fresh in our minds and here Mitwah is trying to sell out Indians in a different way to the PNC. Enough is enough!

Do you think Ramotar would apologise for making GUY a narco state and a criminalised government? So President Burnham rigged elections. The PPP rigged their elections. Remember Mr Anil Nandalall? I will put my head on a block. The PPP's narco strategy killed many more than Mr Burnham. 

FM

Was in no way responsible for Khemraj et al leaving AFC for APNU

 

Posted By Staff Writer On September 21, 2013 @ 5:04 am In Letters | No Comments

 

Dear Editor,

 

After many inquiries regarding a report in Demerara Waves of September 18 titled, ‘AFC members defect to APNU,’which stated, “Former soldier Malcolm Harripaul, who had long switched allegiance to the APNU, has been formally added to the list of defectors,” I write to clarify my position. I was in no way responsible for Messrs Rose, Khemraj, and Mukraj leaving  the AFC for APNU. I met with Dr Khemraj a few months ago and he never indicated that he would leave AFC. Dr Rose actually surprised me with their decision a few weeks ago.

 

I was never a member nor a supporter of the AFC so I cannot be listed as a defector. I do have many friends in the AFC but at its inception in 2006 I thought the promotion of Khemraj Ramjattan and Raphael Trotman as the symbol of Jagan and Burnham racial unity was a tragic joke, as it was those leaders who had destroyed race relations in the early 1960s and their legacy of racial bitterness was the cause of Guyana’s decay.

The AFC rather than deal with the ethnic security dilemma, chose the path of the PPP and PNC in pretending it was a multi-racial party.

 

It is mind boggling that after the upheavals of the 1960s after Dr Jagan’s entry into the Cold War, the beatings of Indians in the latter 1990s, the narco-politically orchestrated crime wave of the early 2000s, our political leaders still don’t want to acknowledge and deal with the ethnic security dilemma. That Africans and Indians would not accept each other and would resent being ruled by the other was foreseen as early as 1938 by the British Guiana East Indian Association.

 

That was why Dr Jung Bahadur Singh had in the late 1940s cautioned Dr Jagan about rushing into Independence without the Indians first winning the political acceptance of Africans. Dr Singh and the BGEIA advised that it was crucially necessary to first win acceptance by the Africans and work out a constitution that was mutually agreed upon before Independence. Unfortunately Dr Jagan was hell bent on communism at all costs and Burnham was equally fixated on Africans inheriting Guyana from the British.

 

Burnham’s ambitions were facilitated by Jagan siding with the Soviet Union in the Cold War and the response of the USA. Guyana became a victim of the Cold War. However in both the PNC and PPP narratives to their supporters the roles of the CIA and Cubans are omitted and instead we are told that it was Africans and Indians fighting. By doing so both the PPP and the PNC have obfuscated their roles in the mayhem of the ’60s, and have caused us to view each other as antagonists rather than victims of the Cold War.

In the 50-plus years of PNC and PPP rule there was no effort at healing Guyana.

 

The PNC in its 28 years’ reign established an African-dominated state and the PPP in the last 22 years have established an Indian-controlled state. Indians have voted in the last 4 elections to keep the PNC and Africans out of power. This is where we are in 2013. The problem facing the current leader of the PNC and APNU is how to win some Indian votes in order to win the 2016 elections.

Brigadier Granger can win over Indian voters if he should start the healing process in 2013 and the first step is that of a political apology to all Guyanese for the PNC’s role in the 1960s.

 

There are some who fear a backlash from the Burnhamites but the Burnhamites have lost 4 elections in a row and they will lose in 2016 if they have their way, so why bother with them. They cheered when Burnham woke up one day and declared the PNC a socialist party and they cheered even louder when he banned wheat flour. So please let’s get them to cheer for a political apology situated in the context that we were all victims of the Cold War.

 

Yours faithfully,


Malcolm Haripaul

FM

AFC defectors were not being listened to – Granger

BY: SABATINI DANIELS 

 

APNU Chairman David Granger [fourth left) and executive Joseph Harmon (right) with the three AFC defectors: Rab Mukraj (left), Dr Asquith Rose and Tarron Khemraj

APNU Chairman David Granger (fourth left) and executive Joseph Harmon (right) with the three
AFC defectors: Rab Mukraj (left), Dr Asquith Rose and Tarron Khemraj

A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) Chairman David Granger said there is nothing vindictive about the recent move by three Alliance For Change (AFC) members to defect to his party.

“These are serious academics who want to make a contribution to national unity and national development, and they felt that their opinions and advice were not being adhered to where they were before,” said Granger.

Granger said he does not envisage the three AFC members who recently defected to APNU causing any challenges or rifts between the two parties. The three who crossed over to APNU are economist Dr Tarron Khemraj, Political Science Professor, Dr Asquith Rose and businessman Rab Mukraj.

Responding to questions posed at APNU’s weekly press conference at his office at Hadfield Street, Georgetown on Friday, Granger stated that he does not see the trio shifting towards APNU as opposing the AFC, but rather as “advancing the agenda for national unity and human development”.

 “We are not on a hunting party, we are simply building a momentum and a movement so that likeminded people from civil society or any other organisations are free to come onboard and advance these two aims,” said Granger.

The AFC defectors, he disclosed, will now join APNU’s American group, noting that they were not offered any executive positions within the coalition.

 

Exclusion

Khemraj told Guyana Times on Thursday that it was the AFC that left him and not he who left the party, pointing out that since the 2011 general election to now, the party did not seek his advice on any issue or decision it made.

He said during the pre-election period, the party regularly obtained his input, but even with regard to the Amaila Falls hydropower project, it did not seek his advice.

The crossover of these three members followed the resignation of Dr Shamir Andrew Ally, who was a member of the New York Chapter. Guyana Times had obtained a copy of Dr Ally’s letter of resignation. “With regrets, I no longer wish to be involved with the AFC party,” Dr Ally had stated in his letter.

Dr Ally expressed deep dissatisfaction with the AFC leaxdership, saying he contributed his “scarce time, financial resources, energies, skills and contacts to the AFC Party”, and spent one month during November-December 2011 in Guyana, and saw on site the political realities in Guyana.

He stated that, on his return to Guyana in December 2011, he expressed his disappointment with the AFC internally and externally. “Many emails were sent to AFC leadership on my Guyana on site experiences on a number of issues, including finances, controls, discipline, management, leadership, et al,” he said.

“At the New York/New Jersey AFC chapter, a few individuals hurled insults, character assignations and caustic remarks to me, and no person in the AFC leadership, took concrete action to ensure that there will be no repetition of such behaviours,” Dr Ally lamented.

Meanwhile, in a statement on Thursday evening, AFC Chairman Nigel Hughes, who himself had resigned from the party before making an about turn on the decision, said the AFC is disappointed with how the issue was handled.

FM

Ok so I am trying to get the vibes of this forum. So Prof Khemraj and two of his friends decided to move over to APNU. The Rev launched a jaundiced personal attack against Prof Khemraj. The Rev did not do same to Mr Shamir Ally and the other decent folks like Dr Rose and businessman Mr Mukraj. Is the the Rev envious of Prof Khemraj? 

FM

I looked at the background of the photograph with the socalled defectors and the APNU reps. The background is books. Is that a message this alliance will be one that is based on knowledge and understanding? 

FM

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