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APNU pushing for Tri-Partite Budget Committee
December 13, 2011 By Kaieteur News

A Partnership for National Unity (A.P.N.U) Presidential Candidate Brigadier David Granger has issued an urgent call for the establishment of a Tri-Partite Budget Committee.
The call comes before the convening of the 10th Parliament, expected to take place later this year.
Granger has suggested that the proposed Tri-Partite Budget Committee be convened as early as possible to oversee preparation of the Budget (and subsequent budgets).
This Committee will, among other things, collaborate with the Bank of Guyana, Statistical Bureau and other departments in presenting an accurate and detailed picture of the economy; identify all sources of funds and examine potential sources of new funds; propose tax reform measures, including the lowering of VAT and personal income tax, with their likely impact on revenue and economic growth; propose the inclusion of programmes and projects consistent with public needs identified during the elections (e.g., a job-creation, community-renewal, improved education and poverty-alleviation programmes); and examine all categories of expenditure and recommend areas where expenditure could be adjusted, foregone, revised, reviewed, renewed or removed.
The country’s 2012 Budget must be presented to the National Assembly no later than March 30, 2012 and must be passed no later than April 29.
Based on the declared results of the November 28 general and regional elections, the People’s Progressive Party/Civic administration was allocated 32 seats and the combined opposition – A Partnership for National Unity and Alliance for Change parties – 33 seats, in the National Assembly.
Granger says that, in light of the allocation of seats, it would be inadvisable for the PPP/C administration to proceed to prepare a budget to be brought before the National Assembly without prior consultation with the opposition APNU and AFC.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
That only mena that the APNU would vote against the budget.

The PPP should test the waters. They should force the AFC to support the APNU...
What waters is there to test? The AFC is not a rubber stamp of the PPP and the PPP no longer has autocratic rights of the past 19 years where they consult with no one. This time they must. Lacking that they have no budget. They must consult for any thing to pass. Those are the new ground rules.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
That only mena that the APNU would vote against the budget.

The PPP should test the waters. They should force the AFC to support the APNU...
What waters is there to test? The AFC is not a rubber stamp of the PPP and the PPP no longer has autocratic rights of the past 19 years where they consult with no one. This time they must. Lacking that they have no budget. They must consult for any thing to pass. Those are the new ground rules.


It will be a PPP budget.. If you like or not they opposition will have their say in parliamnet and not in the picket lines.. They have manifesto which will be used for the basis of formulating their budget. Ashni Singh is responsible for that. Theyre is already one in the making. The opposition can ask for ammendments and that's all they can do..
FM
This is a win win situation for the PPP. AFC will not want a snap election and will not support to bring down the government because of the fear of destroying their SEVEN tiny seats. PNC/APNU cannot set their own agenda but will just make a lot of noise in parliament to keep their supporters happy. Their supporters are not sophisticated enough to understand that APNU cannot and will not be able to bring a change to Guyana because their party is full of dictators and thugs from the Burnham PNC corrupt era. PPP can rule with or without a majority. Let the new parliament open and let the debates begin.

Word is out is that Moses is having differences already with the top brass of the AFC. Interesting times ahead.
G
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guyana1:
This is a win win situation for the PPP. [QUOTE]

How so? The PPP cannot call snap elections as the AFC and APNU will block them.

You all dont seem to understand. The PPP dictatorship is over. Guyanese voted to BLOCK THEM.

You can malign APNU all you want but nothing will get done without them.

BTW many of Burnham's hench men now work with the PPP. Including people from the House of Israe;
FM
quote:
Originally posted by caribj:
Guyanese voted to BLOCK THEM.


to take your philosophy and how you blame indos for all the ills of guyana...because according to you they alwasy voted PPP..,...never mind that Blacks vote PNC and continued to do so in large numbers in the last elections

I will rephrase your above statemet to show you how racist you are and cannot credit Indos with anything good... it shoud read "Indo Guyanese voted to BLOCK THEM"

After all they were the ones who voted in large numbers for the AFC; taking away PPP votes.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
The PNC bais would have us believe that they know what is best for Guyana? Just look at how they mismanaged the country for 29 years and the progress under the PPP today. Any fool except D2 can see this.
what progress fool,take a walk by the passport office and see the line every day.ask the people when they get their passport what is the first thing they doing.heading to the airline office. somebody send for them to go to one of the island in the caribbean to work
FM
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Originally posted by politikalamity:
quote:
Originally posted by caribj:
Guyanese voted to BLOCK THEM.


to take your philosophy and how you blame indos for all the ills of guyana.


I wonder where in my sentence you concoct yours. Given today's demographics only a party/alliance of parties, drawing support from many quarters can black the PPP. AFC attracted many Indian votes.

Now you are enraged because I talk of Indo racism against Africans. Funny that you dont notice that, whenever people write about Afro racism against Indos I agree with them. Now why dont you notice that?

You see even more than a few Indians are tired of PPP rule. So you folk who try to cococt a anti PPP=anti Indian need to find some new mantra.


I will leave aside the notion whether Indians would have voted for an AFC with Trotman as the Presidential candidate and without Nagamootoo as a critical important spokesperson.

So given that dont peddle a myth that some how Indians vote less on race than do blacks, especially when last time almost all AFC votes came from blacks and mixed voters.

Also you need to analyze data before you rant. It was the APNU which played the biggest role in ensuring that the PPP was blocked. They got out voters in regions 3, 4, and 10. Virtually ALL of the increase in voter turnout came because of the APNU. The PPP lost more votes in Berbice than the AFC gained.

Had APNU received the same numbers of votes that they did in 2006, 35% of the total, AFCs 10% wouldnt have been enough to block them.

The PPP was blocked because APNU brought out large numbers of voters, and when combined with the AFc cutting into the Berbice (not Demerara or Essequibo) Indo vote, this was enough to block the PPP.

So credit the African and mixed voters as you credit Berbice Indian voters. Had they stayed home the PPP would have gotten way more than 50.000001%.
FM
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Originally posted by warrior:
what progress fool,take a walk by the passport office and see the line every day.ask the people when they get their passport what is the first thing they doing.heading to the airline office. somebody send for them to go to one of the island in the caribbean to work


Let me remind you dunces, new schools, new hospitals, new roads, new bridges, constant upgrades to infrastructure, higher wages for public servants, a vibrant private sector, a vibrant mining sector and the list goes on. When you fellows were in charge you ruined the nation with your communist ideals and venture into guyfarms, guythis and guythat. Least you forget the past you are condemned to repeat it.

People going to the Islands in search of employment is natural as I told that slow thinker caribJ, the tourist industry in the Islands prefer Guyanese workers as they are hard working and diligent. However we must also note that Guyana has lots of opportunities as they have to import labor in the skilled sector. If Guyanese took their education instead of running off to the Islands to perform unskilled labor then they would be much better off in Guyana.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

People going to the Islands in search of employment is natural .


We established long ago that Guyanese do NOT work in the favored parts of the tourist industry in those islands. Maybe as hotel cleaners and gardeners, but not in the service based parts of the industry where locals dominate.

You will then have to explain why Barbados had low unemployment until the recent down turn when 80% of the workers on that island are in the private sector. Guyanese are favored for low paying jobs where Bajans who had other options scorned.

The residual local workers available reprsent the unemployable types which exist in every society so its no pride and joy that a Guyanese (or a Jamaican, St Lucian or Vincentian) would have bee preferred

The professionals work mainly as teachers and nurses because they starve in Guyana and these small islands give tham a salvation.

I showed you a poverty study in Nevis where it was pointed out that Guyanese account many of the poor on that island. They work heavily as construction laborers. Not only that but they live in the worst housing. The Guyanese in Nevis are mainly Indians. I showed you that people of Indian descent on Nevis are among the richest (Asian Indian business people who dominate duty free and other tourist related stores) and poorest (IndoGuyanese construction laborers and domestics).

Now you can post every single project which you think shows a better Guyana. Clearly Guyanese arent impressed. This is the first post independence free election where the PPP didnt get the majority of the votes...and Redjet has made it easier for Guyanese to flock to Antigua (in this case mainly Afros).


Now ask yourself why few islanders come to Guyana and the foreigners who do come are there to pollute our rivers and steal our gold. And also to provide "entertainment" for the local male elites.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
they have to import labor in the skilled sector. .


Druggie Guyana has the largest number of people who have migrate dto other parts of CARICOM under the CSME freedom of movement. This is limited mainly to professionals and skilled workers...so not only does Guyana suffer a brain/skills drain to Borth America but also to Barbados and Antigu and St Lucia. A qualified teacher with a university degree earns US$350 in GY vs over $2,000 in Barbados. Indeed a baby sitter in Bardos can earn US$800.

BTW Guyana will LIKE to bring in foreign professionals. Aside from Cubans fleeing communism and Nigerians and Indians working in Guyana until their US green card arrives who really have they attracted, and in the interim gaining some cultural exposure as Guyana is way more US oriented than their countries?

You will note that even Haiti attracts Chinese and others.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by caribj:
We established long ago that Guyanese do NOT work in the favored parts of the tourist industry in those islands. Maybe as hotel cleaners and gardeners, but not in the service based parts of the industry where locals dominate.

You will then have to explain why Barbados had low unemployment until the recent down turn when 80% of the workers on that island are in the private sector. Guyanese are favored for low paying jobs where Bajans who had other options scorned.

The residual local workers available reprsent the unemployable types which exist in every society so its no pride and joy that a Guyanese (or a Jamaican, St Lucian or Vincentian) would have bee preferred

The professionals work mainly as teachers and nurses because they starve in Guyana and these small islands give tham a salvation.

I showed you a poverty study in Nevis where it was pointed out that Guyanese account many of the poor on that island. They work heavily as construction laborers. Not only that but they live in the worst housing. The Guyanese in Nevis are mainly Indians. I showed you that people of Indian descent on Nevis are among the richest (Asian Indian business people who dominate duty free and other tourist related stores) and poorest (IndoGuyanese construction laborers and domestics).

Now you can post every single project which you think shows a better Guyana. Clearly Guyanese arent impressed. This is the first post independence free election where the PPP didnt get the majority of the votes...and Redjet has made it easier for Guyanese to flock to Antigua (in this case mainly Afros).


Now ask yourself why few islanders come to Guyana and the foreigners who do come are there to pollute our rivers and steal our gold. And also to provide "entertainment" for the local male elites.


As long as the Islands pay higher in the White run tourist industry than cane cutting, Guyana will continue to lose migrant workers. Those leaving, if they take education would do much better off in Guyana rather than work menial labor in the Islands. However as you note, those that are educated are also lured away for teaching and other professions. So Guyana must import teachers, book keepers, nurses, doctors and other skilled professionals. If Guyana had white sand beaches and blue water and White investors running the tourist industry like the Islands, it too could afford to pay higher wages and keep their human resources.
FM
A fair response would have included the expense side of the equation. How much does it cost for a houselot in Guyana compared to Barbados?


quote:
Originally posted by caribj:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
they have to import labor in the skilled sector. .


Druggie Guyana has the largest number of people who have migrate dto other parts of CARICOM under the CSME freedom of movement. This is limited mainly to professionals and skilled workers...so not only does Guyana suffer a brain/skills drain to Borth America but also to Barbados and Antigu and St Lucia. A qualified teacher with a university degree earns US$350 in GY vs over $2,000 in Barbados. Indeed a baby sitter in Bardos can earn US$800.

BTW Guyana will LIKE to bring in foreign professionals. Aside from Cubans fleeing communism and Nigerians and Indians working in Guyana until their US green card arrives who really have they attracted, and in the interim gaining some cultural exposure as Guyana is way more US oriented than their countries?

You will note that even Haiti attracts Chinese and others.
FM
caribj posted:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
they have to import labor in the skilled sector. .


Druggie Guyana has the largest number of people who have migrate dto other parts of CARICOM under the CSME freedom of movement. This is limited mainly to professionals and skilled workers...so not only does Guyana suffer a brain/skills drain to Borth America but also to Barbados and Antigu and St Lucia. A qualified teacher with a university degree earns US$350 in GY vs over $2,000 in Barbados. Indeed a baby sitter in Bardos can earn US$800.

BTW Guyana will LIKE to bring in foreign professionals. Aside from Cubans fleeing communism and Nigerians and Indians working in Guyana until their US green card arrives who really have they attracted, and in the interim gaining some cultural exposure as Guyana is way more US oriented than their countries?

You will note that even Haiti attracts Chinese and others.

And here is where I spoke to you about CSME. SIX YEARS AGO!  Note you blabbering about white sand beaches as if that explains why Barbados and Antigua pulled away so many Guyanese teachers and nurses so much that we don't even have quality personnel left to train these people.

FM
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caribny posted:
caribj posted:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
they have to import labor in the skilled sector. .


Druggie Guyana has the largest number of people who have migrate dto other parts of CARICOM under the CSME freedom of movement. This is limited mainly to professionals and skilled workers...so not only does Guyana suffer a brain/skills drain to Borth America but also to Barbados and Antigu and St Lucia. A qualified teacher with a university degree earns US$350 in GY vs over $2,000 in Barbados. Indeed a baby sitter in Bardos can earn US$800.

BTW Guyana will LIKE to bring in foreign professionals. Aside from Cubans fleeing communism and Nigerians and Indians working in Guyana until their US green card arrives who really have they attracted, and in the interim gaining some cultural exposure as Guyana is way more US oriented than their countries?

You will note that even Haiti attracts Chinese and others.

And here is where I spoke to you about CSME. SIX YEARS AGO!  Note you blabbering about white sand beaches as if that explains why Barbados and Antigua pulled away so many Guyanese teachers and nurses so much that we don't even have quality personnel left to train these people.

And back in 2011 you were still a dunce it seems, even in 2006 Barbados had Guyanese agricultural workers. Man, it seems that 6 years later you still as dunce as ever.  

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
caribj posted:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
they have to import labor in the skilled sector. .


Druggie Guyana has the largest number of people who have migrate dto other parts of CARICOM under the CSME freedom of movement. This is limited mainly to professionals and skilled workers...so not only does Guyana suffer a brain/skills drain to Borth America but also to Barbados and Antigu and St Lucia. A qualified teacher with a university degree earns US$350 in GY vs over $2,000 in Barbados. Indeed a baby sitter in Bardos can earn US$800.

BTW Guyana will LIKE to bring in foreign professionals. Aside from Cubans fleeing communism and Nigerians and Indians working in Guyana until their US green card arrives who really have they attracted, and in the interim gaining some cultural exposure as Guyana is way more US oriented than their countries?

You will note that even Haiti attracts Chinese and others.

And here is where I spoke to you about CSME. SIX YEARS AGO!  Note you blabbering about white sand beaches as if that explains why Barbados and Antigua pulled away so many Guyanese teachers and nurses so much that we don't even have quality personnel left to train these people.

And back in 2011 you were still a dunce it seems, even in 2006 Barbados had Guyanese agricultural workers. Man, it seems that 6 years later you still as dunce as ever.  

Druggie in 2017 you found something about CSME and proceeded to cut and paste. Such a dunce that you are that you forgot that this topic came up LONG ago and it was I who schooled you on this.

Druggie agricultural workers were NOT included in CSME at the time when thousands of Guyanese fled to Barbados and to St Kitts to cut cane.  So why did those people, refuse to cut cane in Guyana, but fled to those islands to do so Ditto for other categories of agricultural workers who fled to Trinidad.

Druggie you are such an idiot and a dunce that you dug your own grave and then rushed into it. You scream that CSME led to Guyanese fleeing to hurricane prone islands.  Yet you don't account for the large categories who were NOT included in CSME who fled, nor the fact that by the time CSME was implemented large numbers of Guyanese were already present on those islands.

Druggie thanks for pointing out the large numbers of Guyanese cutting cane in the islands and the fact that they weren't included in CSME.

FM
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caribny posted:

Druggie in 2017 you found something about CSME and proceeded to cut and paste. Such a dunce that you are that you forgot that this topic came up LONG ago and it was I who schooled you on this.

Druggie agricultural workers were NOT included in CSME at the time when thousands of Guyanese fled to Barbados and to St Kitts to cut cane.  So why did those people, refuse to cut cane in Guyana, but fled to those islands to do so. Ditto for other categories of agricultural workers who fled to Trinidad.

Druggie you are so and idiot and a dunce that you dug your own grave and then rushed into it. You scream that CSME led to Guyanese fleeing to hurricane prone islands.  Yet you don't account for the large categories who were NOT included in CSME who fled, nor the fact that by the time CSME was implemented large numbers of Guyanese were already present on those islands.

Prof druggie still awaiting your evidence of this claim that CSME is only for skilled workers. Define skilled, shining a shoe, cleaning a latrine or brain surgeon?

FM
Drugb posted:
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Prof druggie still awaiting your evidence of this claim that CSME is only for skilled workers. Define skilled, shining a shoe, cleaning a latrine or brain surgeon?

Yes I will gladly school you.  Evidence is supplied by a college or vocational degree or by possessing a CVQ certificate.  

Sorry your desire to clean shoes or latrines doesn't allow you to be included under CSME.  So those Guyanese who cut cane in Barbados do NOT do so because they are benefitting from CSME.  That is unless you tell me that there are institutions which train people how to cut cane.

An electrician or a plumber or a cook can benefit if they have a CVQ certification.  In fact it came at a time (around 2009) when there was less demand for such/  Legions of Guyanese had already fled to live on volcanic peaks, and coral reefs quaking in fear when a Cat 5 hurricane hit.

FM
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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Prof druggie still awaiting your evidence of this claim that CSME is only for skilled workers. Define skilled, shining a shoe, cleaning a latrine or brain surgeon?

Yes I will gladly school you.  Evidence is supplied by a college or vocational degree or by possessing a CVQ certificate.  

Sorry your desire to clean shoes or latrines doesn't allow you to be included under CSME.  So those Guyanese who cut cane in Barbados do NOT do so because they are benefitting from CSME.  That is unless you tell me that there are institutions which train people how to cut cane.

An electrician or a plumber or a cook can benefit if they have a CVQ certification.  In fact it came at a time (around 2009) when there was less demand for such/  Legions of Guyanese had already fled to live on volcanic peaks, and coral reefs quaking in fear when a Cat 5 hurricane hit.

Where is the link + excerpt to this claim? You only screaming that this is so but no footnotes and reference provided. No wonder you are relegated to being a talker and not a doer. 

I see you have slop can boy djangy sniffing your backside hoping that you drop a watta watta diarrhea pun he rass. 

FM

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