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I welcome the rise of democracy in the ME.  George Bush set the stages for this by breaking open Iraq now the people see change is possible.

 

If the US don't like it, we just have to suck it up as I do believe it serves everyone's interest in the longer term.  As long as the same democratic principles are maintained afterward, then let it play out.  In the end, if the people truly have a say, Govt are kept in a certain check and common sense usually prevails.

 

BTW, where did you see me ever contradicting that viewpoint?  Be specific.

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:

Where did Istate that you contradict that viewpoint. My address to you is to make you aware that the US IS getting confused right now.

There is some confusion for sure as, for example, the new guy in Egypt made it one of his goals to free a terrorist leader in US prisons.  The US has to stop being driven by Israeli agenda and understand some positions are taken purely for local political consumption, no different than some radical positions here sometimes.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Chief:

Where did Istate that you contradict that viewpoint. My address to you is to make you aware that the US IS getting confused right now.

There is some confusion for sure as, for example, the new guy in Egypt made it one of his goals to free a terrorist leader in US prisons.  The US has to stop being driven by Israeli agenda and understand some positions are taken purely for local political consumption, no different than some radical positions here sometimes.

Actually, the US is the one who advised the new leaders of Egypt that it is better to have islamists inside their camp than outside throwing bombs. The US Israeli policy makers are working with Egypt to make sure Islamists participate in governance the problem will be for the Egyptian moderates to keep the islamists from hyjacking the country which I doubt will ever happen given Egyptians hve proven they are willing to bring a govt down no matter how powerful . You PPP and PNC guys could pull a page on courage and will from the Egyptians .

FM
Egyptians rebels are not after democracy. This was a powerful scheme to get rid of Mubarrak. The average Egyptian don't care about democracy. They look for wealth, jobs, financial security, and in a few years look for another revolution or civil war, as they remain in poverty. Meanwhile I doubt they are friendly towards Israel or the US, especially with the Palestinian situation. I always said the Arab spring was a farce.
FM
Mideast Politics!! Talk about must-see TV. In Jordan, a furious TV debate turned into a YouTube moment when a member of parliament threw a shoe and pulled a gun on his rival. The scene has been replayed on the Web more than 110,000 times, and counting. Luckily, nobody was hurt, although the gun-drawing parliamentarian, identified by the Times of Israel as Mohammed Shawabka, could face attempted murder charges from the political activist named Mansour Sayf al-Din Murad. The video clip shows the two arguing about Jordan's policies toward the uprising in Syria. The two begin to shout as the TV host, sitting between them, tries to keep them calm, and fails. As the Times of Israel describes the scene: The two men discussed aspects of Jordanian politics including attitudes surrounding the uprising in Syria. The debate became increasingly heated and personal, and each of the men accused the other of various crimes and deviances. Shawabka claimed Murad was in the pay of the Syrian regime. Murad countered that Shawabka worked for the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency. "You're a Mossad agent," he said. "You're a big crook," came the response. You don't need to know the language to see what happens next. The MP, told to calm down, instead removes his shoe and flings it as an insult at Murad, who ducks behind his desk, knocking it over. Then the MP pulls out a gun from his waistband and points it at Murad. The TV host jumps between the two men to try to stop the fight. While the MP points his gun down and eventually tucks it back into his waistband, the two continue to tussle, the host between them, until eventually someone cuts to credits. Al Arabiya reports that the parliamentarian justified his actions by saying that Murad called members of the Jordanian government "corrupt parasites" and then insulted his father. Murad, according to the Los Angeles Times, reportedly plans to file charges against the member of parliament. Twitter erupted over the video with comments from around the globe like this from Mosa'ab Elshamy,"Because throwing a shoe at the opponent isn't enough anymore." Victoria Kim added, "And I thought Korean politicians couldn't be topped." Pablo V. ‏wondered, "How you throw a shoe then pull out a roscoe on live television AND you're a member of parliament?"
FM
Originally Posted by TI:
Egyptians rebels are not after democracy. This was a powerful scheme to get rid of Mubarrak. The average Egyptian don't care about democracy. They look for wealth, jobs, financial security, and in a few years look for another revolution or civil war, as they remain in poverty. Meanwhile I doubt they are friendly towards Israel or the US, especially with the Palestinian situation. I always said the Arab spring was a farce.

which tree you fell from ? Egyptians want freedom to do like americans and europeans and this is spreading all across the mideast . Islamic fundamentalism is dying rapidly .

FM
Originally Posted by kidmost:
Originally Posted by TI:
Egyptians rebels are not after democracy. This was a powerful scheme to get rid of Mubarrak. The average Egyptian don't care about democracy. They look for wealth, jobs, financial security, and in a few years look for another revolution or civil war, as they remain in poverty. Meanwhile I doubt they are friendly towards Israel or the US, especially with the Palestinian situation. I always said the Arab spring was a farce.

which tree you fell from ? Egyptians want freedom to do like americans and europeans and this is spreading all across the mideast . Islamic fundamentalism is dying rapidly .

I doubt it, they lost their base in Afganistan and not so comfortable in Pakistan.  The also lost their "messiah" Osama.  The aspirations are not dying, the individuals are, thanks to Bush doctrine and Obama's actions.

 

However, don't be fooled, the snake will raise its head again, and if we are not careful, right here in the USA.

FM

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