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Buffett Blames Congress for Romney's 15% Rate

By Andrew Frye and Andrea Ludtke | Bloomberg – 5 hours agoShare32EmailPrint
Warren Buffett, the billionaire calling for more taxes on the rich, said Mitt Romney's U.S. tax rate of about 15 percent reflects poor laws rather than failings by the candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.

"It's the wrong policy to have," Buffett told Bloomberg Television's Betty Liu in an interview today. "He's not going to pay more than the law requires, and I don't fault him for that in the least. But I do fault a law that allows him and me earning enormous sums to pay overall federal taxes at a rate that's about half what the average person in my office pays."

Buffett, chairman and chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A) , supports Democratic President Barack Obama and said Congress needs to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to close the budget deficit. Romney has agreed to release his 2010 tax return tomorrow, under pressure from Republican opponents, after saying he pays about 15 percent. Romney co- founded Boston-based private-equity firm Bain Capital LLC.

"He makes his money the same way I make my money," Buffett said. "He makes money by moving around big bucks, not by straining his back or going to work and cleaning toilets or whatever it may be. He makes it shoving around money."

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People are in business to make money and if the law allows millionaires to move money around and avoid higher tax rates so be it. It's all legal in the eyes of the law. Romney claim that he's wealthy time and time again and he work for it. Mayor Bloomberg is also a billionaire and so is Warren Buffett. There should be a law to raise taxes on those who volunteer for it and Warren Buffett should be the first.
FM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobra:
People are in business to make money and if the law allows millionaires to move money around and avoid higher tax rates so be it. It's all legal in the eyes of the law. Romney claim that he's wealthy time and time again and he work for it. Mayor Bloomberg is also a billionaire and so is Warren Buffett. There should be a law to raise taxes on those who volunteer for it and Warren Buffett should be the first.[/QUOTE.


Nobody questioning the legality. It's the hypocrisy of the moral code of the country. These are the people you want for presidents.
FM
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Originally posted by yuji22:
Do not envy the rich. 15 % of 20 million is a lot more than 28 % of 50,000

Do not become like the PNC and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Get real.



This am I overheard a millionaire banna mention that he's all for those who can afford to pay more taxes do so to assist in bringing down the debt. I'm myself am a few $$ shy of being called a millionaire, maybe about, $999,000 shy.
cain
quote:
Originally posted by yuji22:
Do not envy the rich. 15 % of 20 million is a lot more than 28 % of 50,000

Do not become like the PNC and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Get real.


Most of the 85% of that 20M isn't being recirculated into the economy but the entire 72% of that 50k is. The trouble is that those 30ks are not enough to generate any real economic activity.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
quote:
Originally posted by yuji22:
Do not envy the rich. 15 % of 20 million is a lot more than 28 % of 50,000

Do not become like the PNC and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Get real.


Most of the 85% of that 20M isn't being recirculated into the economy but the entire 72% of that 50k is. The trouble is that those 30ks are not enough to generate any real economic activity.

Dazz natt true bai. Dem wite man dozz buy nuff boat and plane and cyar, etc. Dem gatt nuff big house wid illegals Guyana and Mexica working, and wah leff bak, dem put to wuk in moo private equity. Di prablim up deh is natt wah go into da economy but wah go into da treasury.

Alyuh muss undastaan, donk hay Govt tekk nuff money, from Tax, Duty, VAT, etc and ah create employment for Govt wukkas. If dem nah do dat, abie cyan mek mo investment, plant mo rice, mek mo tings and export and gro da economy. Da tax rate mek da ROI look bad and abie gafa leff tings off or mek shitty quality investments. Diss is why Guyana deh poor and people cyant find good wuk and a tek plane run get away. Datt Abama maan ah cyarry America donk da semi-Socialist path, high tax and hand out, juss like abie PPP and da PNC donk hay.
FM
Romney gave three million dollars to charity which is a huge tax benefit to him. Lots. Of his investments are offshore so he pays no taxes on the income generated.

These wealthy people hire tax professionals for advice, so even when certain tax laws are changed they change their business/investments to take advantage of tax shelters.
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
quote:
Originally posted by yuji22:
Do not envy the rich. 15 % of 20 million is a lot more than 28 % of 50,000

Do not become like the PNC and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Get real.


Most of the 85% of that 20M isn't being recirculated into the economy but the entire 72% of that 50k is. The trouble is that those 30ks are not enough to generate any real economic activity.

Dazz natt true bai. Dem wite man dozz buy nuff boat and plane and cyar, etc. Dem gatt nuff big house wid illegals Guyana and Mexica working, and wah leff bak, dem put to wuk in moo private equity. Di prablim up deh is natt wah go into da economy but wah go into da treasury.

Alyuh muss undastaan, donk hay Govt tekk nuff money, from Tax, Duty, VAT, etc and ah create employment for Govt wukkas. If dem nah do dat, abie cyan mek mo investment, plant mo rice, mek mo tings and export and gro da economy. Da tax rate mek da ROI look bad and abie gafa leff tings off or mek shitty quality investments. Diss is why Guyana deh poor and people cyant find good wuk and a tek plane run get away. Datt Abama maan ah cyarry America donk da semi-Socialist path, high tax and hand out, juss like abie PPP and da PNC donk hay.


Corporate tax is after expenses so while income tax does affect return on investments it does not play a role in hiring decisions no matter how much the politicians want people to think so. Employment is low because businesses don't have the same need for people given the input of machinery. The fact that we hardly produce anything tangible anymore only compound that problem. Apple could have never amass that kind of wealth if their products were made here.
FM
The 15% tax is based on long term capital gains taxes on investments held for one year or longer.
Because this amount is not subject to employment taxes and minimal social security taxes, it is low. The govt would have to change the laws to apply a higher tax rate on capital gains for income over a certain level.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
The 15% tax is based on long term capital gains taxes on investments held for one year or longer.
Because this amount is not subject to employment taxes and minimal social security taxes, it is low. The govt would have to change the laws to apply a higher tax rate on capital gains for income over a certain level.

Mi tink so too. Also dem muss see wah dem call Cap Gains. Dem hedge funds bais getting away wid murder foa demself, but dem nah ga no "capital at risk". Dem gatt lil loop holes, but donk dem seh abie system "porous".
FM

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