And therein lies the problem. In the mind of the Indian KKK on this site (of which there are many), it needs to be 100% Indian. Four is not enough. The involvement of any other races, much less a black majority is seen as a genocide of Indians in the making. Thus the loud screaming begins and the claims of victimhood posted ad nauseum all day.

Are you comfortable with being referred to as Guyanese period? I assume you are Indian.

Because Afro and Indo describe what kind of Guyanese they are.  There are very few Indians and African living in Guyana, despite what people like you think.

Its like one might be a fat woman, not a woman fat.

And I asume that you are Black. Nothing wrong with that. You should be proud of who you are. I am an Indian and proud of it.

of the 13 core ministers 4 Indian, 6 African, 3 mixed.  NEVER has their been such diversity among people who CANNOT be described as window dressing to give an appearance of diversity.

Really want to know what Jay wants.  Did they promise him a contract in exchange for raising dollars, but now do not want to talk to him about that?  I suspect so.

Let us hope that they cast as wide a net when they appoint people to other decision making positions.

I suspect that he is a GUYANESE of AFrican and/or mixed ancestry.

Pity that folks like you called Moses a traitor when he said that he was a GUYANESE of Indian ancestry.  You scared out a huge vote (both Indian and African/mixed).  Leaving post election tensions as a result.

Stop hiding behing the language "CORE" to prove your point. A Minister is a Minister, regardless of ranking by Senior or Junior. They all unite behing "Collective Responsibilty". There are 28 of them NOT 13.

So you refer to yourself as Indian, correct? Not even Indo Guyanese? I do not refer to myself as afro Guyanese, but as Guyanese. I only use Indo and Afro on this site since much of the discussion here is race based. Unfortunately.

We cannot say 10 Guyanese cleared a trench, the granularity of their race composition must be known. We are truly backward!

I meant Indo Guyanese. My mistake. Thanks for pointing this out to me.

I believe Granger will run a more diverse administration than either the old PNC or the PPP ran.  He want to leave his unique legacy.  Remember he is married to Chan-A-Sue, daughter of a successful Chinese-Guyanese family.

On the side, you need to educate your protege Itaname on the wickedness of LFSB towards Afro Guyanese and how he "underdeveloped" the minds of Afro Guyanese as it relates independence and entrepreneurship.  Itaname is under the misconception that the plight of Afros in Guyana all rest at the feet of the "Indian" PPP and 1992 was the genesis of "life" in Guyana.  You know, it not that simple.

Glad Donadda picked up on Carib fudging the numbers by use "core" and non-core, in trying to deny the diversity of the PPP cabinet compared to the Coalition's.

However, I do hope and believe the Coalition will do better.

28 MPs artificially united into a payroll vote under the tent of "Cabinet collective responsibility"

I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining 5 MPs are made Parliamentary Secretaries and/or President Advisors.

No MP will be left behind

This is pretty devastating for parliamentary democracy. It's a worrisome consolidation of Executive power over the National Assembly if done for no other reason other than power for its own sake.

They are already under him. All ministers are creatures of the President under our constitution. Any other arrangement has no force in the law.

HAHAHA  Before Election was a different tune.   HAHAHA   Is it bareface or openly RACIST!!!!

Another pathetic attempt to daub your smelly shyte and hope it sticks, eh bai? Imagine, a filthy racist cur like you have the audacity of trying to speak for me!!!! Do you think the "Indian plight" started under Burnham? Life in the logies under the British was just grand, eh you ignorant turd?

Can we not agree that there are and bad people in the races, industrious Ann lazy. Progressive and backward? Clean the Bo Bo from your eyes. There were leaders of our nation that were implicitly or explicitly racist. After the suspension of the constitution in 1953, major upheavals occurred in our political system which affected the way we interact with each other. MoSt important, it helped to further change our cognitive structure through which we understand the world and the lens through which we view the world. What we have going on here on this board is just trying to define the narrative and mental tittilation. How many if you have been able to convince the other that his attitude was the wrong one? I eat pepper pot, soup and provisions, I love salt fish and bake, I like jazz and blues, I eat black pudding and like a nice duck curry. I have relatives from at least 4 of the racial groups and in all the religious groups, do not attend any religious function regularly, but go to any I am invited to. I value and cherish the diversity arount me. I was not a slave or indentured though my family descendants were. What does all of this make me, any of the hyphenated Guyanese or just a Guyanese? I am a part of many identies, and proud of all of them, especially being a husband, father and grandfather. We keep arguing this racial thing on and on not realizing that by doing so, we solidify the iron bars that enclose our prisons!

Hey bai, I was not talking Indian life, but Afro.  Have your "leader" Caribj explain the evils of LFSB/PNC as it relates to Afro development in Guyana.  I was actually ignorant of this until Caribj "educated" me of the matter.

Indians never complained about logies, we came out on our own and built homes under the British, PNC and PPP.  Our biggest gripe was with the PNC quasi-aparthied policies.

The Shayster on a rolls.  His main man Raj Singh is now history and have a high possiblity of going to jail.

He in pain right now.  

Confined to your Indian only world and concerned only with Indians it isn't surprising you were ignorant of black suffering under LFS. You are after all, an incorrigible bigot! Even worse, you try to daub your shitty "misconception" and ignorance on me. Black men like David Hinds, Clive Thomas, Eusi Kwayana, Walter Rodney and more didn't fight to remove Burnham because he was a benefactor of Afro Guyanese you fool!. Your racist stupor precludes you from recognizing that.

While Rodney and the portugese Father Darke were dying in the streets to remove LFS you and your clan rallied behind Jagan who was giving "critical support" to the dictator Burnham. All because Jagan was Indian!!! 

The plight of both Indians and Africans in Guyana begins with colonialism. The suffering of Indians at the hands of the British colonial masters far exceeded anything you all experienced under the "PNC quasi apartheid policies" you speak of. But you accept suffering of Indians under the British because you worship a white master. No wonder you "never complained". I guess the whips on your backs and the rapes of your daughters were acceptable once it came from a white!

Africans suffered under colonial rule too. The farms of freed slaves in coastal areas were flooded by the  British among other instances of oppression. Hard for you to imagine that "lazy black people" farmed but they did.

Your statement that you "came out on your own" from the logies is another example of your bigotry. Ah, the superior Indian, no one can hold him down!!!. smfh. Let Caribny "educate" you again and free you from your ignorance of the joint struggle by BOTH Afros and Indians to escape the cruelty of colonial rule on the plantations and in the rice fields.

For the record - black Guyanese "came out" too. They were the educators. Who do you think taught your ignorant, illiterate tribal family to read and write when they "came out on their own" from the logies? Blacks were the nurses and midwives who would travel to the country areas to deliver your babies, never refusing to help them because you were Indian.

Gwan suh you racist, bigoted piece of shyte. You were formed in the belly of racists and coddled by bigoted rural Indians. You will never speak like Zed in his post above. Your racism is too deep, too ingrained and you are too much of an evil bastard. Beyond redemption really.

Some intense language.

I do not punish fools lightly. This racist jack ass denigrates afro Guyanese daily with impunity. His ignorance of our history as Guyanese is not my burden to bear. Indians and Afros are connected in many ways in our struggle, a key fact that educated Indians acknowledge. This johnny come lately backdam  dullard needs to find another venue to spout his Indo KKK shit. 

Some ministerial functions are more important than others, and junior ministers are subordinated to senior ministers.

Face it.  Of the 13 most important ministries under the PPP NINE were Indians.  Cease to pretend that the PPP was diverse, because, aside from Benn and Hinds, the black ministers were powerless and unimportant, and totally incapable of ensuring that the interests of Afro Guyanese were represented, even if they tried.

Roopnarine (Education), Ramjattan (National Security), Bulkan (Communities, formerly Local Govt), and Nagamootoo, are all very important people.  

At no point did he say so.  Try to cease being a LIAR.

FACT.  Racism against blacks did exist under the PPP, just as racism against Indians existed during the Burnham era. 

Does this explain the totality of the Indo or Afro experience in Guyana?  No. 

Does this mean that individuals within these groups couldn't figure out a way to thrive, despite the discrimination that their ethnic group endured.  Certainly not.

But if Indians have a right to frame the Burnham era as one where they faced hostility, then blacks have a similar right to frame 1992-2015 in the same way.  Because we saw EXACTLY the same attempts at ethnic exclusion, with the use of tokenism to disguise this.

You are a  jackass with racist blinkers. Had it not been for the AFC, your PNC would have been on the outside looking in.

OK so you equate Juan Edghill, a man who knows nothing about Finance, but was appointed as a junior minister in the Ministry of Finance, with a Roopnarine who will head the Ministry of Education. 

Given the fact that education is one of the most important functions provided by gov't and Roopnarine will be the minister responsible, why are you INSULTING the man by claiming that his role is unimportant.  I will add the same for Bulkan, Ramjattan and Nagamootoo.

You were asked to compare the role that Nagamootoo will play vs, the role that Hinds played.

I also ask you to compare what the AFC got under the Cummingsburg Accord, with what Civic got under the PPP.

I long suspected that you wanted to have Indo domination of the PPP transferred to an Indo domination of the coalition, with blacks reduced to mere tokens, as was the case under the PPP.  The fact that this doesn't happen angers you.

Listen Jay rush back to the PPP so you can engage in not having to be around black people.

Had it not been for APNU, the AFC would be NOTHING.  5 seats, of they were lucky.

In addition it is YOUR PNC too.  You are embedded with them in government and cannot do anything unless Granger approves of it.  This as per the Cummingsburg Accord.

Oh so what was that whole Cheddi Jagan struggle all about?  His focus was on the plight of the sugar workers.\\

Listen fools, since the 1880s Indians began to complain about their working conditions.  The planters used blacks scabs (many from Barbados) to undermine their struggles, just as indentures were used against the creole blacks in the 1842 and 1848 strikes.  In fact there was violence when Indians attacked the scab workers on one of the estates on WCD.

So cut your crap about Indians never protested against their treatment.  Or your pretense that significant levels of poverty don't exist among Indians even today.  Indians have done WORSE than the other groups which came as indentures.  Compare the Portuguese/Chinese with the Indians.

Excellent post.  Even if the bigot baseman refuses to publicly admit that you are correct I am sure that others here learned something.

Sadly too many Guyanese are ignorant about what happened before Jagan and Burnham, and refused to admit that the struggle for a better life started in 1842 when ex slaves organized to improve their conditions.  By the 1880s Indian indentures were doing the same thing.

A middle class began to emerge among both groups by the late 19th and early 20th centuries, using different paths to upward mobility.  Africans through education and the trades, and Indians through property acquisition and entrepreneurship.

Who cares? Go make love to yourself now. I won't disturb you.

Critical support happened during this time?  Are you sure about that?  I don't think so.

Ow Bhai he gat a Pea brain.

Banna, alyuh can twist and turn and dance and prance, none will change the FACTS, the TRUTH of the situation of the people of Guyana.  PNC (Afros) ran Guyana most of its independence.  In fact, PNC took a strong and stable nation with a fully functioning infrastructure, a thriving local and multinational business economy and in 28 year blew it all to smithereines. THAT'S A FACT!!  PPP took this broken nation and tried to rebuild.  They started well but sputtered and crashed out under Jagdeo.

You can rant and beat your chest all day chanting you anti-indian rant, truth, not all "your" issues lie at the foot of the "Indo" PPP.  Let Caribj tell you how LFSB "under-develop" the Afro mind as it relates to independence and entrepreneurship.  That is HIS position, NOT MINE.  I just lay out a few FACTS to find this destruction program which Burnham perpetuated against Afros, which I missed.  So, you all could jump and prance and point your dirty fingers to the "Indian" that ain't going to change the FACTS.  PNC could have another 28 years and, unless your attitude change, nothing will change.  Alyuh gon blame Granger next.  PPP made their mistakes but don't blame them for everything, ask Caribj, he said the genesis of Afro problems lie with  Burnham.  Now go spit at him.

You can try to drown out the truth with your chants and bullyism, but that does not change the FACTS nor history.  Now run along and ask Caribj for lil schooling on Afro Guyanese experience under LFSB, which you seem to be missing.

Regarding my "ignorant tribal illiterate family" well where did you come from.  I could counter you with a nice cliche, but you will scream racism, so this time i let it slide.  I never said Afros did not "come out", hey ask the Afro expert Caribj what went wrong and where!!  I actually said they are great teachers and more socially conscious and PPP should have tapped into this to augment their talents and balance.  I am one who contend CBJ was a big failure for not pulling in some members of the PNC and more Afros into his admin.  I am one who said I was embarrassed at the overly Indian face of the representatives of the PPP Govt after all these years.  I was one who expressed revulsion at someone in the PPP saying there was not enough "qualified" Afros, which is not fact.

Obviously, Caribj's schooling have few "gaps".

What's do excellent about it, it was off topic, so stop tap dancing.  YOU explain to your "student" what is it that LFSB was guilty of regarding Afros and their "preparedness" to compete.  This is YOUR position, NOT MINE.  All what Itaname wrote was beside the point. Don't blame the PPP and Indians  in general.

It is "off topic" now because it confronts your racist beliefs. You began this pissing contest by attributing positions to me that I did not hold. You further presume I'm ignorant of what LFS did. I've answered you on both accounts - both Indian and African struggles predated the PPP and PNC and acknowledging that black folks fought against Burnham because of precisely what Caribny pointed out. That sewer you call a mind has no reason left.

I've accused both the PPP and PNC of institutionalized racism. There are issues that exist in all races that cannot be laid at the feet of any political party. Nowhere did I say that the PPP is the source of all the problems confronting black Guyanese. So quit your lying and stop creating straw men to save your weak ass arguments.

And quit your lying ass shit about how many blacks you nominate for positions. We both know that were you or one like you to gain any power you would pursue with gusto the political and economic enslavement of black folks! Oh, and the "piwari drinking, cassava bread eating" Amerindians as you call them who ought to give up their land rights to you "industrious" Indians. Yeah, you're just cut like that. Too late to save you!

Oh yes.  The USSR tolde communist parties to critically support other let wing parties, when those parties were in government.  Stupid Cheddi, enslved by Moscow and Havana, congratulated Burnham when he nationalized corporations and brought up to 80% of the economy under state control.  The idiot didnt understand that Bunrhm did that for purposes of control.  When you control a man's bread you control his brain.

To show how idiotic Cheddi was, he was even begging Burnham to set up a government of National Unity, where he Cheddi could perform the meaningless role that Sam Hinds performed.

It was the WPA and people like that, who worked to bring down the Burnham regime.  To his credit Sam Hinds was instrumental in that.  Too bad he became a toothless Uncle Tom under the PPP.

How was it off topic?  Because he didnt indulge your "baad black man, Indo saint?"  He is clearly aware of the damage that Burnham did to Guyana, and to Guyanese, inclusive of those of African descent. 

Even told you how Cheddi enabled that.  When Burnham set out to destroy Guyana though nationalization, and put incompetent party card people to run entreprises, Cheddi was loud in praise, only wishing that he could become part of that regime, so be able to also engage in patronage.

Why expect any different from Cheddi, as after all this is how Cuba and the USSR were run, and so Cheddi would have done nothing that Burnham didnt do in destroying the economy.

You wish him to rubber stamp your bigotry.  He doesnt seem interested in that.

And if one looks at the indentures who were brought to the Caribbean,  the Indians did much worse.  They arrived in larger numbers, too mnay for them to all escape into various economic niches, as the Chinese and the Portuguese were able to do. So armed with reserves of unemployed black in Guyana, and when needed, Barbados, the plantocracy was able to use the weak economic positions of BOTH the Africans and the Indians to keep both in poverty.

So really what is baseman's issue?

It was off topic, we were not addressing the ills of the colonial era, but the ills of the post-colonial era.  As I said, alyuh can jump and prance, the issues of Afros in Guyana does not lie at the feet of the PPP/Indians.  Just ask Carib, that Burnham did some sublime wutlissness according to he.  For me, if Indians had a 50% Burnham on our side, our situation in Guyana would have been very different.

I never said I nominate blacks for anything, I said i would have preferred to see more blacks as they are a large constituency in Guyana and they are qualified.  Regarding that derogatory reference to Amerindians, only one man I refer to as he loves referring to Indians as "dalits" and other such terms.  Alyuh like cuss but cry when it comes back.

You are just plain fc.uking stupid and ignorant! The root of problems between the 2 major races go way back into colonial times. It was there the mistrust between the 2 races began, the racial attacks on each other etc as they compete for limited resources. This extended into Jagan's govt in the form of apna jaat by some of his ministers and then into the PNC under LFS for 28 years.

Being the indo nationalist punk that you are, you want to confine the discussion to the PNC's 28 years. Dude, GFYS and quit wasting my time. You're a useless sack of shit.