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President David Granger
President David Granger

Bring the evidence

–President urges PPP to either prove ethnic discrimination claims, or take matter to the courts

By Ravin Singh


OPPOSITION Leader Bharrat Jagdeo, and by extension the People’s Progressive Party (PPP), is being urged to bring supporting evidence of ethnic discrimination to the coalition government or take the matter to the courts. Throwing down the gauntlet was President David Granger, who, during the broadcast of his weekly televised programme, “The Public Interest”, lamented the dangers of such claims in a multi-ethnic society such as Guyana’s.
“If the Leader of the Opposition has evidence that there has been wrongdoing in accordance with the laws of Guyana and the Constitution, he can bring that to us or he can move to the courts,” the President said.
However, the PPP is yet to provide a list of persons they believe have been discriminated against by the APNU+AFC government on the basis of their ethnicity. On Wednesday, the party’s General-Secretary, Clement Rohee was asked a second time whether he had such a list at hand, but, as happened last week, he did not.
On the other hand, political activist Freddie Kissoon has been providing a list of persons in his Kaieteur News column who he believes the PPP witch-hunted during its term in executive office.
THE QUEENS SAGA
Just over a week ago, Jagdeo, while speaking at a social event in Queens, New York, said Guyana’s political, economic and social conditions were worse than in the 1970s and 1980s under the then People’s National Congress (PNC) government.
The Opposition Leader went on to suggest that there is discrimination on the basis of ethnicity being perpetrated by the coalition Government, on people of Indian descent.
“There is an assault on our democracy. There is an assault on people of Indian origin. There is an assault on supporters of the PPP.  What we thought would never return to Guyana, in just one short year has returned with full force, and even worse in some regards than the Burnham era,” he reportedly told the predominantly Indo-Guyanese gathering.
But according to President Granger, these comments are being made by an individual who is currently before the courts for using language which has been described as divisive and racist. Jagdeo also appeared before the courts twice for matters of a similar nature.
As the president went on to explain, there are extremists who will continue to speak in divisive terms, which underscores the need for the government to put an end to it.
URGES RESTRAINT
In the circumstances, he sought to urge Jagdeo to restrain his comments, since it has the potential to contribute to religious and ethnic extremism.
“Right now, we are a multi-religious country, and we don’t want religious extremism here. We can see in other parts of the world the damage that religious extremism can do.
“Similarly, we don’t want ethnic extremism, because it will pull our country apart. We want a more cohesive society,” the president said, adding that he does not believe the comments attributed to Jagdeo are helpful in building a more cohesive society.
He also sought to register his support of comments made by political commentator, Ralph Ramkarran, who said that Jagdeo’s comments are divisive.
A former long-standing member of the PPP, Ramkarran also suggested that the opposition leader’s comments in New York revealed the new agenda of the PPP, which is: To represent their ethnic interests exclusively.

NEW AGENDA
“This is a wholly new dimension to the PPP’s agenda; namely, its formal and official transformation by Mr Jagdeo into an ethnic party representing exclusively ethnic interests,” Ramkarran said.
The president also said that to suggest that Indo-Guyanese are being persecuted does not necessarily call on the government to reach out to indo-communities specifically, since it has been reaching out to all communities across Guyana.
“We have reached out to all sections of the population,” President Granger said, “and we want to reduce inequality and give all our schoolchildren the opportunity to get the best education they can get, so they can understand how other races live and behave.”
He posited that it is very important that the government reduces inequality, and that measures are being taken by the Ministry of Social Cohesion to reduce levels of inequality.
“We in the coalition believe that a more equal society would be a more cohesive society,” he said, adding:
“Inequality is the foundation for divisiveness and ethnic conflicts. And I think we’ve made a tremendous amount of progress in creating better understanding and creating the foundation for a more cohesive society.”

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You speak to many Indo Guyanese, this is the prevailing sentiments with the vast majority.  BJ does not have to prove to him, as the people feel so.  It's for him to prove to the masses of Indians there is none, not BJ!!

BJ is merely reflecting the sentiments of his major constituency!

FM
ba$eman posted:

You speak to many Indo Guyanese, this is the prevailing sentiments with the vast majority.  BJ does not have to prove to him, as the people feel so.  It's for him to prove to the masses of Indians there is none, not BJ!!

BJ is merely reflecting the sentiments of his major constituency!

In multi ethnic societies like Guyana when discrimination claims are made,evidence are needed to prove such claims,BJ is another loud mouth making frivolous claims that chap will make the PPP becomes a toothless party.



"The president also said that to suggest that Indo-Guyanese are being persecuted does not necessarily call on the government to reach out to indo-communities specifically, since it has been reaching out to all communities across Guyana.
“We have reached out to all sections of the population,” President Granger said, “and we want to reduce inequality and give all our schoolchildren the opportunity to get the best education they can get, so they can understand how other races live and behave.”

Django
Last edited by Django

As it stands, there is no law in Guyana against govt discriminating against its constituents based on race.  The PPP bent over backwards during its tenure to appease PNC supporters to their own detriment. Now the PNC hammering it to the Indians as punishment for 23 years of progress. 

FM
ba$eman posted:

You speak to many Indo Guyanese, this is the prevailing sentiments with the vast majority.  BJ does not have to prove to him, as the people feel so.  It's for him to prove to the masses of Indians there is none, not BJ!!

BJ is merely reflecting the sentiments of his major constituency!

Afro Guyanese have the same perceptions of the Jagdeo regime and you scream that all was well under the PPP and that blacks have no reason to regard the PPP as hostile.

So if black concerns aren't to be considered then tell me why Indian concerns ought to be?

FM
Drugb posted:

The PPP bent over backwards during its tenure to appease PNC supporters to their own detriment.

Indians have the perception that the PPP bent over backwards to help blacks.  Blacks thought the same of Hoyte to the point where they called him "Desi Persaud".

So what is your point?  If you don't think that black concerns of the Jagdeo regime ought to be examined then I can assure you that the current situation with Indians ought also to be ignored.

In fact Jagdeo was NOT able to prove that he wasn't a institutional racist when Nigel Hughes and Freddie K offered evidence that he was. In fact Luncheon confirmed that their assertions were correct by being unable to respond to why almost all top leadership during the Jagdeo era was Indians.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Carib firmly believes no Indian, whether PPP or from any other party or group has the right to complain about discrimination coming from the gov't. Live and accept or get out!! That's Carib

Do you think that blacks have a right to complain about Jagdeo?  No you don't, so cease your squeals that Indians have rights that blacks don't.

I concede that Indians have a right to despise the PNC.  To you blacks are ungrateful dogs who refuse to bless the PPP for lavishing so much on them.

Clearly I recognize the rights of Indians to complain more than your recognize the rights of blacks to do so.

FM
caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Carib firmly believes no Indian, whether PPP or from any other party or group has the right to complain about discrimination coming from the gov't. Live and accept or get out!! That's Carib

Do you think that blacks have a right to complain about Jagdeo?  No you don't, so cease your squeals that Indians have rights that blacks don't.

I concede that Indians have a right to despise the PNC.  To you blacks are ungrateful dogs who refuse to bless the PPP for lavishing so much on them.

Clearly I recognize the rights of Indians to complain more than your recognize the rights of blacks to do so.

I've hammered you with evidence on how responsive the PPP has been to Black concerns about rigged elections and marginalization. The Hermandston accord came about as result of the great concessions the PPP made to the PNC on the issue of rigged elections and charges of marginalization.  You cannot say the PNC ever did the same. Free elections in 1992 strongly demanded by the US, Canada, and Britain.  The PNC's attitude in office during  burnham and Hoyte was go to hell with your charges of discrimination and rigged elections.  This thing about change that we heard about during the campaign was a hoax.  Our people are now facing the same old regime in office with exactly the same attitudes.  We as Guyanese cannot allow this to continue. We don't need gov't. that threatens or show no concerns when people make legitimate charges of crime, corruption, and blatant discrimination in the sacking workers from Civil service that has little integration

Billy Ram Balgobin
Pointblank posted:

This is not the first time Jagdeo and his cronies were asked to bring the evidences. To date they have never provided proof of their accusations

And yet Nigel Hughes furnished evidence of ethnic exclusion by the Jagdeo regime, and he wasn't able to refute this.

FM

Granger want evidence for his racist demeanor towards coolie people? what was his defense when he reads the leak cables that says he is a racist? Does he want evidence of his involvement of rigging elections during his time in the army? Tell him Jagdeo is not the only one knows that. The UN knows and other NGO's knows that.

FM
Prince posted:

Granger want evidence for his racist demeanor towards coolie people? what was his defense when he reads the leak cables that says he is a racist? Does he want evidence of his involvement of rigging elections during his time in the army? Tell him Jagdeo is not the only one knows that. The UN knows and other NGO's knows that.

Old news stick with the current claims,he is the elected President,people can change.

Django
Prince posted:

Granger want evidence for his racist demeanor towards coolie people? what

1. It didn't say that he is a racist.  It said that it is likely that he is.  He will deny that he is and its the end of the story.  The PPP will have to furnish evidence that he is.

2.  Now Jagdeo was proven to be a racist when he couldn't respond to Freddie K's evidence that he is.  Evidence was furnished to back the claims.  Jagdeo couldn't prove that these accusations were wrong.

 

Let us look at the language of the two.  Granger at least speaks about inclusion.  Whether he practices what he preaches is another issue, but he doesn't go in a throw racial bombs.

Jagdeo admitted that he sees the PPP as an ethnic party.  He talks about the PPP consolidating its East Indian support base. He threatens to take back Guyana for his support base.  When he was in power he boasted that "those people" would never have power again (this explaining his rage now that they did get back power). 

Jagdeo has already defined his support base along ethnic lines, so clearly "those people" will be the segment of the population which aren't part of this base.  He even doesn't address how these others can be attracted to the PPP, nor doesn't he even care as he boasts about the PPP consolidating its base along ethnic lines.

This is your problem.  You are a brown bai KKK so don't care the slightest about blacks, so you refuse to hear their views, even as you scream that Indians in Guyana are facing a Holocaust.

Any objective person will clearly see that Jagdeo OPENLY mobilizes along ethnic lines, whereas Granger speaks of inclusion.

FM

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