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Burnt elderly couple’s employee among two detained

An employee of Mohamed and Bibi Munir was among two people in custody yesterday as detectives stepped up efforts to track down the individuals who deliberately set the elderly couple’s Good Hope, East Bank Essequibo home alight while they were still inside.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

Police sources said that the detained employee is a handyman who lives in a street behind the Munirs’ property. He was reportedly arrested at his home.

An official said that the employee was detained based on information that investigators have obtained, but declined to state what those leads might be.

Kaieteur News was told that another resident is also in custody.
Crime Chief Wendell Blanhum confirmed that an employee is being questioned, but declined to say whether investigators are treating the case as a murder/robbery or a deliberate plan to kill the rice-farming couple.

Ranks from the Force’s Major Crimes Unit are spearheading the investigation.

Mohamed Munir, 75, and his wife Bibi Jamila Munir, 69, perished shortly after 23.00 hrs on Sunday, after being trapped in a raging fire that destroyed their heavily-grilled, two storey house. Their badly burnt corpses were retrieved from the debris after the fire was finally extinguished.

Eyewitnesses said that the blaze started in the upper flat and that the entire flat was engulfed within minutes. While some residents said that they had heard gunshots, post mortem examinations performed on the victims showed that they had died from severe burns.

Residents, and a passing family who were among the first on the scene, could only stand by helplessly, listening to the elderly couple’s screams, which eventually ceased as the flames overwhelmed them.

Police have received reports from at least one female neighbour, who said that she saw two people in the couple’s verandah before the fire broke out. The neighbour also claimed to have heard Mrs. Munir screaming that ‘bandits’ were in the house.

Shamiza Khosial said that she was up at around 23:00 hrs, when her son told her that there were people fighting at the Munirs’ residence.

On peeping outside, Mrs. Khosial said that she saw two people on the couple’s verandah. She also heard the Munirs screaming for help.
“The place was dark and I see two persons on the verandah and then I started to hear they (the couple) shouting that bandits were in the house,” Khosial said.

The woman said that she also heard Mrs. Munir apparently calling their family friend, businessman, Shiraz Ali, to tell him that bandits were on the property. She also said that she saw the couple thrusting their hands through their grilled-up bedroom window.

Khosial said that shortly after, she saw “a ball of fire” in the living room area and within minutes the entire property was engulfed in flames. The woman said that the victims were trapped in their bedroom, since the window, like other areas in the house, had grill-work.

Businessman Shiraz Ali said that Bibi Jamila Munir had contacted him by phone to say that bandits were in the house, while pleading with him to help. Ali said he arrived in about seven minutes, but by then the entire property was in flames.

Among those first on the scene was a family that was heading to Parika, East Bank Essequibo by bus on Sunday night. One family member recalled that they were passing Good Hope when they saw flames emanating from the upper flat of a house.

“We started blowing the (vehicle’s) horn, but nobody looked out. We start shouting ‘fire, fire,’ and knocked on the gate, and finally, the next door neighbour looked out and two other people came to us.”

He also recalled that the Munirs front gate was not bolted, and two young men climbed over the gate.

Seeing that the flames were spreading to the neighbour’s house, the man and others helped the family to remove their valuables from the property. Another young man from the group said that he entered the Munirs yard and it was then that he heard someone screaming in the top flat.

Mr. Munir, who was in his bedroom, flung some keys through the bedroom window and told those trying to rescue them to drive one of his tractors out of the yard.

This was done, and Mr. Munir began shouting for the neighbours to use a second tractor to pull down the grill from the bedroom window.

The young man said that he suggested that they hitch a length of chain to the tractor and to the grill, but by then the flames had begun to engulf the entire upper flat and the heat was immense.

“Then he (Mr. Munir) say that his wife not breathing anymore, and after awhile he (too) stopped talking.”

Some of the couple’s children have flown in from overseas and Kaieteur News understands that the victims are to be laid to rest today.

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Handyman arrested over Good Hope farmers’ deaths

April 20, 2016 Source

The police have arrested the handyman of the elderly couple, Mohamed and Jamilla Munir, who were burned to death in their Good Hope, East Bank Essequibo home, on the suspicion that he has knowledge of the crime.

Crime Chief Wendell Blanhum confirmed to Stabroek News yesterday afternoon that the handyman was arrested. Blanhum declined to divulge further details on the case.

Mohamed, 75, and his wife, Jamilla, 70, who were well known rice farmers, died on Sunday night after bandits broke into their home and later set it alight.

Residents had told Stabroek News that the bandits scaled the veranda and cut the grill before smashing their way into the couple’s home through a glass door. After they were unable to gain entry to the Munirs’ bedroom, where they had secured themselves, the bandits apparently poured gasoline and lit a fire in front of the couple’s bedroom.

Some residents had also said Mohamed had phoned them and told them that bandits had invaded his property.

There were also reports of the sounds of gunshots during the attack.

Django
Chameli posted:

word has it that it's an inside act of violence done by the people who knew that the Aunty and Uncle had withdrawn big money to make payments and also that the deceased were able to tell people on the phone who they see in the home and whose voices they know

I hold on to my cards,had the feeling it was an inside gob,waiting for the police investigation.

Django
Chameli posted:

It is sad that they died this way but in life they were never apart...always together at every function, work, funeral, gathering etc and in death, as they may have often wished...they are gone together...heartbreakingly

i pray most sincerely that they have been embraced in the arms of GOD and without mercy may the killers pay the harshest price.

I know Mr.Munir he is from Cornelia Ida they had a rice factory,his brother was my school teacher,very sad indeed.

Django

Let this be a lesson to all who have nostalgic ideas of return and contributing to Guyana.  It is useless to subject oneself to this terrible tragedy in the twilight of your life, especially under an uncaring govt. 

FM

I just spoke to my Dad, Munir was from my village Cornelia Ida.

His sister Farida was close to my family.

I actually know his dude since I was a kid.

His grandfather Ustad had a rice miller by the "High Bridge"

The Cornelia Ida, Hague and Anna Catherina New York Chapter is publicly expressing its disgust with the lack of action by the police.

First responders, GPF arrived on Monday morning.

The Parika Fire Station never responded

Vish M

Five in custody over Good Hope farmers’ deaths

Source

21 Apr 2016

Five persons including characters known to the police are in custody as investigators continue to probe the killings of Mohamed and Jamilla Munir, who were burnt to death in their Good Hope, East Bank Essequibo home on Sunday night.

Minister of Agriculture, Noel Holder offering condolences
 

Crime Chief Wendell Blanhum told Stabroek News last evening that investigators are working on several leads with the hope of making a breakthrough in the matter soon. Up to press time, the men were being grilled by the police.

A handyman of the elderly couple was arrested on Tuesday. Sources indicate that he may be one of the suspects currently in custody along with Winston Sherlock called “Quarters,” who was wanted for the abduction of Windsor Forest businessman, Tazim Gafoor.

Sherlock turned himself into the Leonora Police station on Tuesday accompanied by his attorney.

Mohamed, 75, and his wife, Jamilla, 70, who were well known rice farmers, died on Sunday night after bandits broke into their home and later set it alight.

Residents had told Stabroek News that the bandits scaled the veranda and cut the grill before smashing their way into the couple’s home through a glass door. After they were unable to gain entry to the Munirs’ bedroom, where they had secured themselves, the bandits apparently poured gasoline and lit a fire in front of the couple’s bedroom.

Some residents had said Mohamed had phoned them and told them that bandits had invaded his property. There were also reports of the sounds of gunshots during the attack.

The Munirs’ were both laid to rest yesterday according to Muslim rites.

Scores of people turned up at the funeral to bid farewell to the couple who was remembered for being an “embodiment of strength and goodness.”

In a very emotional speech, one of their grandchildren, Afifa Samad said her grandparents were not “an unfortunate statistic, they were part of our very being. We have all lost a part of ourselves and we are all suffering greatly.”

She described her grandfather as the” most hardworking, kindest, most compassionate, most gentle person. My grandmother was the greatest woman in the world, filled with love and incomparable strength. She was a driving force in our lives and her community.”

According to her, “They loved their families and they loved their country. They left us to better this beautiful land and we pray that this country would serve them justice that they deserve.”

She said they “fought for what they wanted their entire lives and they fought until their last breath. They are my example in this world. My grandparents would forever be in our hearts and in everything good that we do.”

Their son, Muntaz Munir,

thanked everyone for being there to pay their respects to his parents. He was also grateful to relatives, friends and neighbours “who offered their assistance in their final moment. We weren’t here but you were and we would like to thank you.

Their daughter, Nazarene thanked the rice and Islamic organisations that her mother was a part of.

Minister of Agriculture, Noel Holder was also there to offer his condolences on behalf of the government.

In his remarks, former president, Bharrat Jagdeo said that the couple’s lives epitomised hard work, dedication and commitment.

He said that as an executive member of the Rice Producers Association, Jamilla knew what struggle was.

According to him, “It’s a pity that in this country today that hard work seems not to be recognised and that people can come in such a callous manner and see the fruits of hard work and try to snatch it away.”

He said it is “not a political event because no government in the world can stop crime…”

He accused the government of not visiting “places where tragedies occur right across this country… but we see negotiations in the prisons with criminals…”

He said over 70 people were released... I have been asking until today to see the records of those people and there is no attempt on the part of the government to make those records public

Meanwhile, at the wake on Tuesday evening, One of Munir’s brothers described them as being “generous, simple and very helpful people. They lived very nice as husband and wife… they made a wonderful pair.”

According to another speaker, Azim, “We need to take a stand and say to the people in authority that we need protection. We need to stand in solidarity against what is happening in our country.”

He said too that crime is being taken to “another level and we will not stand up and take it.”

Former president, Donald Ramotar, in expressing condolences, said that all must be concerned about security.

He lamented that that was the reason why the Community Policing Group is very important.

He said the country has seen a lot of crime in the last few days and mentioned the young Wakenaam businessman who was killed in Georgetown on Tuesday.

President of the Guyana Islamic Trust, Shaykh, Aleem Rahim said the murders were “heartless and inhumane and it has shown the lack of mercy and the level at which we have sunk in our morality.”

He said too: “Islam teaches us mercy even to the animals, much less human beings. The fact that we can burn someone alive, prove that we have to reconnect with the creator and rebuild relationship with the creator.”


Chairman of the Good Hope/Hydronie NDC, Parsaram Persaud said not just the family but the community has lost a great couple at the hands of cruel people and called for justice to be served.

Django

Neighbours’ attitude caused this couple’s death

April 23, 2016 | By | Filed Under Letters 

Dear Editor,
On Wednesday 20th April, Mohamed and Bibi Munir, was laid to rest, and I’m quite sure many tongues were wagging, chastising and casting blames. And reading the Wednesday’s edition of Kaieteur News I see some people trying to get some sort of credits or be in the limelight, but here’s an horrible story.
My friend was driving the minibus with a family heading to Parika when he observes the fire and because he had a lot of people in the bus he decided to stop and render assistance.
According to him, he immediately stopped the bus and started honking the horn and shouting ‘fire, fire’ and the occupants of the bus also started to shout also and calling for the neighbours too. They could have seen the Mohamed and Bibi shouting for help and according to him Bibi was more vocal. He and the occupants were scared to enter the yard so for approximately ten minutes they was shouting and honking the bus horn and no one residing nearby venture out to assist. Eventually someone comes out and others gradually came out. One man enter the yard and Mohamed threw his tractor keys out pleading with them to use his tractor. The woman stopped shouting and not long after he too.
It bothers my friend a lot because for the time they spent there, both people could have been alive but because none of the neighbours came out early, they perished. What kind of people are we living amongst? Many of them came out with firearms and weapon when everything was finished. They will talk but my friend is of the views that they are weak-hearts and I fully support him! Similarly the same is happening in many places in Guyana. When will we start to live like humans instead of living worst than wild animals? The driver of the minibus is Brian McDonald.
Sahadeo Bates

cain

The reason why criminals can break in to Indian people's houses and make loads of noise for half an hour or more is because the Indian neighbours are scared. They don't even bother call the police. But when the police do show up the neighbours run to the newspapers to claim that the police did not arrive till hours later. You are better protected in a black neighbourhood than an Indian neighbourhood these days. Black people are not scared to come out and help.

Mr.T

"It bothers my friend a lot because for the time they spent there, both people could have been alive but because none of the neighbours came out early, they perished. What kind of people are we living amongst? Many of them came out with firearms and weapon when everything was finished. They will talk but my friend is of the views that they are weak-hearts and I fully support him! Similarly the same is happening in many places in Guyana."


 

The people have certainly changed in the homeland,it does not appear to be same when i was residing there we used to lookout for one another in my neighborhood.

Django
Mr.T posted:

The reason why criminals can break in to Indian people's houses and make loads of noise for half an hour or more is because the Indian neighbours are scared. They don't even bother call the police. But when the police do show up the neighbours run to the newspapers to claim that the police did not arrive till hours later. You are better protected in a black neighbourhood than an Indian neighbourhood these days. Black people are not scared to come out and help.

"Many of them came out with firearms and weapon when everything was finished."


They were armed and still scared,certainly they are weaklings.

Django
Mr.T posted:

The reason why criminals can break in to Indian people's houses and make loads of noise for half an hour or more is because the Indian neighbours are scared. They don't even bother call the police. But when the police do show up the neighbours run to the newspapers to claim that the police did not arrive till hours later. You are better protected in a black neighbourhood than an Indian neighbourhood these days. Black people are not scared to come out and help.

Strangely enough I have to agree with you, except you are also more susceptible to be robbed in a Black neighborhood on the mere fact that you are and Indian and perceived to be an easy target. 

FM
Chameli posted:
Django posted:

"It bothers my friend a lot because for the time they spent there, both people could have been alive but because none of the neighbours came out early, they perished. What kind of people are we living amongst? Many of them came out with firearms and weapon when everything was finished. They will talk but my friend is of the views that they are weak-hearts and I fully support him! Similarly the same is happening in many places in Guyana."


 

The people have certainly changed in the homeland,it does not appear to be same when i was residing there we used to lookout for one another in my neighborhood.

Django, the paper print the  story of fool  who wants publicity.  Please do not believe everything that you read in the article.  If so many of them were there(a bus load) how come they did not save these two amazing people?

did they see the neighbours trying to get to the grills from the backyard? Did they mention the neighbours who drove out the vehicles loaded with gasolene?  Did he see who was trying to get to the house from the shed before the home became engulfed due to the amount of gasolene thrown upstairs? Or did they see the criminals or know HOW the police came to KNOW who did it?

The only sad thing is that the fire did not capture the criminals...

Cham thanks for the info,i was wondering if people does not care for each other any more, before i migrate which is two decades ago we used to look out for each other in our neighborhood, you have put my doubts to rest.

Django
Chameli posted:

The only sad thing is that the fire did not capture the criminals...

Too many times we see the innocent perishing and the evil ones surviving. And yet we still staunchly believe that good overcomes evil. I saw the comments that the Qur'an survived this tragedy and all the glorifications to Allah for saving His book and ask myself, "why didn't Allah save these two people from this horrible ending"? I have no real explanation for this and am running out of tolerance for the usual clichés.

FM
ksazma posted:
Chameli posted:

The only sad thing is that the fire did not capture the criminals...

Too many times we see the innocent perishing and the evil ones surviving. And yet we still staunchly believe that good overcomes evil. I saw the comments that the Qur'an survived this tragedy and all the glorifications to Allah for saving His book and ask myself, "why didn't Allah save these two people from this horrible ending"? I have no real explanation for this and am running out of tolerance for the usual clichés.

Why didn't Allah or Gentle Jesus save little innocent children from the tsunami? Simple, they are just imaginary sky dwellers.

Mars
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:
Chameli posted:

The only sad thing is that the fire did not capture the criminals...

Too many times we see the innocent perishing and the evil ones surviving. And yet we still staunchly believe that good overcomes evil. I saw the comments that the Qur'an survived this tragedy and all the glorifications to Allah for saving His book and ask myself, "why didn't Allah save these two people from this horrible ending"? I have no real explanation for this and am running out of tolerance for the usual clichés.

Why didn't Allah or Gentle Jesus save little innocent children from the tsunami? Simple, they are just imaginary sky dwellers.

It is difficult to disagree with you. While I still believe in Allah, I don't have any tolerance for believers having orgasms over the powers of God for protecting things like the Qur'an in this case while seemingly ignoring the greater loss of lives like the two people who perished in this situation.

FM

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