it looks like this is the plan of the PNC to fall back on PPP oil initiative and don't worry about developing the nation through any other means. 

While it would bring development to Guyana, the presence/location of oil is not a new initiative.

There have been other searched with similar indications when issues were not as good between the US_of_A and Venezuela.

Situation now is the same as before, hence the major push for oil search and production in Guyana.

As soon as conditions normalize between US_of_A and Venezuela, efforts for the search of oil in Guyana, unfortunately, will gradually cease.

America is now becoming an energy exporter. Oil prices may be in the dump by the time they are ready to export.

Drugb posted:

it looks like this is the plan of the PNC to fall back on PPP oil initiative and don't worry about developing the nation through any other means. 

Its funny that it is now a PPP initiative?  People have been looking for oil in Guyana for a long time now. 

The PPP couldn't stand up to a fly.  Exploration was forced away from points north of Essequibo to points north of Berbice because Jagdeo was in love with Venezuela.

Venezuela snatched an exploration vessel when the PPP was  in power. When MadBURRO tried to do the same Granger got on the microphone and let the whole world know what that Spanish speaking bully was up to.

So how is it a PPP initiative?

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

it looks like this is the plan of the PNC to fall back on PPP oil initiative and don't worry about developing the nation through any other means. 

Its funny that it is now a PPP initiative?  People have been looking for oil in Guyana for a long time now. 

The PPP couldn't stand up to a fly.  Exploration was forced away from points north of Essequibo to points north of Berbice because Jagdeo was in love with Venezuela.

Venezuela snatched an exploration vessel when the PPP was  in power. When MadBURRO tried to do the same Granger got on the microphone and let the whole world know what that Spanish speaking bully was up to.

So how is it a PPP initiative?

The PPP brought in exxon dummy. Catch some sense for a change. Prove otherwise. Granger did nothing other than destroy the petrocarib deal with his unstateman albouystown attitude. Stop detracting from the fact that the PNC have not put forward one development idea since occupying office. I believe DG has a thread to track this, so far the count is zero. 

Many Guyanese will be very disappointed when this oil does not produce the wealth that they had hoped 

Prashad posted:

Many Guyanese will be very disappointed when this oil does not produce the wealth that they had hoped 

I hope for the sake of the Guyanese people that it does produce wealth.

We have had many positive oil explorations before. None produced any oil. Only promises of maybe oil. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

ksazma posted:

Prashad posted:

Many Guyanese will be very disappointed when this oil does not produce the wealth that they had hoped 

I hope for the sake of the Guyanese people that it does produce wealth.

Wealth for whom?  The few govt officials in office? This will not trickle down to the ordinary man as there is no plans afoot to add value to the crude oil. It will be shipped directly to existing oil refineries overseas and only royalties to the govt will be the total sum of the benefits. 

Drugb posted:

 

The PPP brought in exxon dummy.. 

And yet you and MadBURRO scream that the USA rigged the election against the PPP because of Exxon.  Why if Exxon was beholden to the PPP and only came to Guyana because of them.

In fact Exxon was scouting new potential oil fields in an era when prices were high and were all over the place. Some stupid little rice republic doesn't tell a major multi national what to do.

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Drugb posted:

s there is no plans afoot to add value to the crude oil. . 

You mean just like the PPP allowing the Chinese and Indians to export raw wood.

The sad part is that China and India come to Guyana to get raw wood that they cannot get in their own countries, as both nations now have placed restrictions on cutting down trees.

Yes the PPP sold out Guyana for a few cents (in the PPP pockets) to allow these nations to do value added OUTSIDE of Guyana.

Now suppose this value added was done in Linden, using that same cheap electricity that you all bawl about.  Imagine if the PPP wasn't so racist that they refused to encourage any development in Linden, instead preferring raw wood to be exported!

Guyana is perfectly capable of processing wood as this industry already exist, or used to.  But the PPP did NOT think to accept the Brazilian offer to build a proper harbor in Essequibo, so we cannot have oil value added in Guyana as we cannot move the finished product onto super tankers as we have no proper harbor.

One thing about this caribj fella. He may be anti PPP as they come but he knows a thing or two about economics. He could have played an active role in the PNC as far as economics is considered but them men going to run him out when he shares his Burnham views.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

s there is no plans afoot to add value to the crude oil. . 

You mean just like the PPP allowing the Chinese and Indians to export raw wood.

The sad part is that China and India come to Guyana to get raw wood that they cannot get in their own countries, as both nations now have placed restrictions on cutting down trees.

Yes the PPP sold out Guyana for a few cents (in the PPP pockets) to allow these nations to do value added OUTSIDE of Guyana.

Now suppose this value added was done in Linden, using that same cheap electricity that you all bawl about.  Imagine if the PPP wasn't so racist that they refused to encourage any development in Linden, instead preferring raw wood to be exported!

Guyana is perfectly capable of processing wood as this industry already exist, or used to.  But the PPP did NOT think to accept the Brazilian offer to build a proper harbor in Essequibo, so we cannot have oil value added in Guyana as we cannot move the finished product onto super tankers as we have no proper harbor.

Don't be daft man, you keep bringing up PPP, who cares, they are not in power and Brazil has been known to promise many thing but only managed to deliver 1 small bridge after many years.  The question again, you PNC apologist, what is Jackass Granger's plan to add value to oil so that the common Guyanese will benefit?  Zero, as these new breed of crooks in office have little imagination. When we were asking what their plans were to grow Guyana, you folks said that it was secret and didn't want to give away ideas to the PPP. Now you are in power, we see that there is a straw man behind the curtain. 

Prashad posted:

He could have played an active role in the PNC as far as economics is considered but them men going to run him out when he shares his Burnham views.

Yes tell your buddy druggie that I am not the Burnhamist that he screams that I am.  Ironically druggie's family used to bankroll Burnham.

Drugb posted:

and Brazil has been known to promise many thing but only managed to deliver 1 small bridge after many years.  The

When Brazil had money Bolivia, Paraguay and other countries benefitted from investment from that source.

Your corrupt Jagdeo rejected them because they refused to give him a piece.  So now we have no harbor and no road into the interior.  Imagine if he had all of that how much further Guyana would have been.

Instead we have the legacy of the PPP allowing Chinese to export tree trunks, with the leaves still on.  All that Guyanese did was to cut down the tree.  Nothing more.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

and Brazil has been known to promise many thing but only managed to deliver 1 small bridge after many years.  The

When Brazil had money Bolivia, Paraguay and other countries benefitted from investment from that source.

Your corrupt Jagdeo rejected them because they refused to give him a piece.  So now we have no harbor and no road into the interior.  Imagine if he had all of that how much further Guyana would have been.

Instead we have the legacy of the PPP allowing Chinese to export tree trunks, with the leaves still on.  All that Guyanese did was to cut down the tree.  Nothing more.

I am not aware that Jagdeo blocked Brazil from building a deep harbor port or road through the interior. These are lies that you perpetuate. 

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

it looks like this is the plan of the PNC to fall back on PPP oil initiative and don't worry about developing the nation through any other means. 

Its funny that it is now a PPP initiative?  People have been looking for oil in Guyana for a long time now. 

The PPP couldn't stand up to a fly.  Exploration was forced away from points north of Essequibo to points north of Berbice because Jagdeo was in love with Venezuela.

Venezuela snatched an exploration vessel when the PPP was  in power. When MadBURRO tried to do the same Granger got on the microphone and let the whole world know what that Spanish speaking bully was up to.

So how is it a PPP initiative?

Well, the one that did not find oil you say is all PPP, the one the found, you say it's a miracle of god at best!

Yes, tensions remained with Venez under the PPP, so the PPP was not in Maduro's pocket as you people claim.  The seizure of the drill by Venez was an internal struggle in Venez and likely would have happened under the PNC.  What would you have done, send in the Guyana navy to re-possess the well?

And regardless of the US, I believe Venez will create problems regarding the oil, PPP or PNC, it does not matter who in charge.  The USA cannot just attack Venez unless they invade, but that is not likely.  Venez will go the legal way, and remember, the US backed the Venezuela's legal position for 100 years!

Drugb posted:

 

I am not aware that Jagdeo blocked Brazil from building a deep harbor port or road through the interior. These are lies that you perpetuate. 

No surprise that you aren't away of this, given that your drug addled brain leaves you confused most of the time.

Brazil offered to build a road and a deep water harbor, in order to develop its Roraima state.  Jagdeo dilly dallied so nothing happened.

In fact that Takutu bridge only exists because Brazil got tired of waiting on Guyana and completed it on its own.  Lethem has benefitted tremendously from this.  Lethem is now an APNU AFC town, based on the LGE, but then I guess you aren't aware of that either.

ba$eman posted:

 

 

Yes, tensions remained with Venez under the PPP, so the PPP was not in Maduro's pocket as you people claim.  !

Oh yes we all remember you and the PPP squad screaming that Maduro should invade and get rid of "blackman".

It must be a coincidence that Jagdeo and Maduro used the same language to describe Granger's victory.  That Granger was an illegitimate leader put in place by the Americans.  

In fact the PPP was willing to relinquish Guyana's sovereignty in exchange for Maduro returning them to power.  It took them a long time before they began to support Granger's efforts to ensure that Guyana's rights to its territory be universally accepted.  And I think they only grudgingly did so as it had begun to look really bad.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

I am not aware that Jagdeo blocked Brazil from building a deep harbor port or road through the interior. These are lies that you perpetuate. 

No surprise that you aren't away of this, given that your drug addled brain leaves you confused most of the time.

Brazil offered to build a road and a deep water harbor, in order to develop its Roraima state.  Jagdeo dilly dallied so nothing happened.

In fact that Takutu bridge only exists because Brazil got tired of waiting on Guyana and completed it on its own.  Lethem has benefitted tremendously from this.  Lethem is now an APNU AFC town, based on the LGE, but then I guess you aren't aware of that either.

These are lies, Brazil never offered anything free.  They have big talk and never deliver.  A simple google will show that Ramoutar was in power when Brazil once again promised to build road and Hydro project. none of which was ever serious.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...commits-lethem-road/

Brazilian officials have reiterated the political commitment of Brasilia to proposed infrastructure projects here including the hydropower project in the Mazaruni and the Linden-Lethem road.

Over the past two days, the Guyana-Brazil Joint Commission on Infra-structure Projects met at the Guyana International Conference Centre and discussions centred around the progress relating to the Mazaruni hydropower project and the Linden-Lethem road, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.

Critics have said that Guyana has moved slowly on these projects, several of which have been seriously on the agenda for the last 20 years.

The Governor of the State of Roraima, Francisco Rodrigues and Senator Romero Juca, Vice-President of the Brazilian Senate travelled to Georgetown to participate in the meeting. They paid a courtesy call on President Donald Ramotar at the Office of the President during which discussions were held on potential areas for new cooperation between the two countries including air-links, the Ministry said.

“In expressing their views on the current projects under discussion in the Joint Commission, both the Governor and Senator reiterated the political

commitment of Brazil to the infrastructure projects and highlighted the importance of the Linden-Lethem highway as one which was extremely strategic for the integration of Guyana and Brazil and more particularly, was a vital link for the communities of the State of Roraima and Western Amazonas and Guyana,” the statement said.

“They saw the hydropower project, the road and deep water harbour as initiatives that could contribute to the further development of both countries,” the Ministry asserted.

The statement said that in remarks made at the meeting of the Joint Commission, Minister of Public Works and Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs Robeson Benn expressed the Government’s appreciation for the continued support of the Government of Brazil and reiterated the Government’s commitment to working with Brazil to advance the infrastructure initiatives.

In March this year, Minister of Foreign Affairs Carolyn Rodrigues-Birkett said that a joint venture between Guyana and Brazil would see the undertaking of studies beginning in early April to determine the possibility of developing two hydropower sites in the Middle and Upper Mazaruni, Region 7.

The studies—a prefeasibility and a feasibility—are estimated to cost US$45 million and according to Rodrigues-Birkett, will be fully financed by a consortium of two Brazilian companies. “The consortium, Queiroz Galvao and OAS is ready to commence the studies to determine the feasibility. These studies must be completed and fully analyzed before any decision is taken by the Government of Guyana on the way forward with respect to hydropower development in the Middle and Upper Mazaruni,” the minister said at a news conference.

It was stated that the pre-feasibility study will take 12 months to complete and thereafter the feasibility study will take another 12 months.

On February 27, Rodrigues-Birkett had told the National Assembly that Guyana and Brazil have given the go ahead for the studies to be carried out. She had said that the new development came from a Memorandum of Under-standing on Infrastructure Development that was signed between the two countries in December 2012. The primary objectives, she had explained, were for a hydropower plant, Linden to Lethem to Brazil road and the construction of a deep water port.

Meantime, in relation to the recent meeting, the Ministry said that at the technical level, the delegations were led by Ambassador Elisabeth Harper, Director General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ambassador Clemente Baena Soares, Director of the Department of South America, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Brazil and included officials from the Ministries of Foreign Affairs, Public Works, Transport and Energy of Brazil and Guyana, the Office of the Governor of the State of Roraima, the Office of the President of Brazil, the Brazilian Embassy in Guyana, the Office of the Prime Minister of Guyana, the Guyana Energy Agency, National Commercial and Investments Ltd (NICIL), Eletrobras and the Guyana Power and Light Company as well as the Consortium.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

 

Yes, tensions remained with Venez under the PPP, so the PPP was not in Maduro's pocket as you people claim.  !

Oh yes we all remember you and the PPP squad screaming that Maduro should invade and get rid of "blackman".

It must be a coincidence that Jagdeo and Maduro used the same language to describe Granger's victory.  That Granger was an illegitimate leader put in place by the Americans.  

In fact the PPP was willing to relinquish Guyana's sovereignty in exchange for Maduro returning them to power.  It took them a long time before they began to support Granger's efforts to ensure that Guyana's rights to its territory be universally accepted.  And I think they only grudgingly did so as it had begun to look really bad.

Ah, shut up.  It was your hero Burnham who allowed the insertion of a clause pre-independence which acknowledged Venezuela's claim to the territory, against the wishes of Jagan!  This gave the Venez just what they wanted!

The PPP was developing that region with Venez having apprehension and even seized a rig.  Guyana sought a solution without escalation.

Had the oil discovery been announced under the PPP, those tensions would have likely flared.  The PPP did cultivate a better relationship with Venez however, I believe these would have had its limits in the face of the discovery.  And I'm sure your buddies in TT would not mind Guyana's efforts being thwarted as it brings another supplier on-line diluting the attention of the US away from them.

So when you talk like an airhead remember, nations don't give up territorial claims easily and not for nothing in return.  The PPP would have tried to manage a relationship and allow Guyanese to benefit from oil and to fund the development of a diversified economy!  That dispute will be with us for generations as it takes a constitutional amendment in Venezuela to relinquish and public opinion there will not support it.  And Guyana, in no way, will ever have a military solution.  That will not happen!

So now that your big bad GDF in power, try to solve it nah!!  This is not like hosting some cook-up event in Brooklyn or attacking and killing some sleeping kids or seizing some unarmed civilians assets or oppressing the will of 400k people!

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

The PPP brought in exxon dummy.. 

And yet you and MadBURRO scream that the USA rigged the election against the PPP because of Exxon.  Why if Exxon was beholden to the PPP and only came to Guyana because of them.

In fact Exxon was scouting new potential oil fields in an era when prices were high and were all over the place. Some stupid little rice republic doesn't tell a major multi national what to do.

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What a dumb ass point you making.  There is an international norm and law and concept called "national sovereignty" and it matter not whether you are a rice producer, a banana producer or industrial.  Every nation which produces oil was once one of that.  Exxon cannot drill for one drop of oil if they don't have that legal right granted by that nation, regardless how big or small.  Why am I even telling you this, you know, but just being your usual jackazz self!

And what the hall has changed since May 2015.  What, the big bad gorilla now roaming the lil rice republic land?

Don't get impatient or lose hope in our Rice Republic. Things gon soon happen - Carib will be appointed CEO of Granger's new Guava Cheese Factory.

ba$eman posted:

 

Ah, shut up.  It was your hero Burnham

I didn't read any more of your racist bilge once I saw this.  How come you used to scream at me, calling me ungrateful when I insisted that Burnham destroyed blacks?

Clearly with that start nothing else that you wrote makes any sense.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Don't get impatient or lose hope in our Rice Republic. Things gon soon happen - Carib will be appointed CEO of Granger's new Guava Cheese Factory.

I see.  Building malls, packed with imported cheap goods is progress, but a guava cheese factory isn't.  Do you know how much DR, Brazil, and Colombia generate selling this exact product?

Drugb posted:

 

These are lies, Brazil never offered anything free.  Consortium.

Druggie when you post a link it is best if you read it.

Two Brazilian companies were going to feasibility studies.  Given that Guyana wasn't going to pay for it that fits the definition of free.

You have no need to prove to me that you are an idiot.  I already know this.

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Don't get impatient or lose hope in our Rice Republic. Things gon soon happen - Carib will be appointed CEO of Granger's new Guava Cheese Factory.

I see.  Building malls, packed with imported cheap goods is progress, but a guava cheese factory isn't.  Do you know how much DR, Brazil, and Colombia generate selling this exact product?

Only possible if we had cheap energy from the PPP's proposed Amelia Hydro. 

ribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

These are lies, Brazil never offered anything free.  Consortium.

Druggie when you post a link it is best if you read it.

Two Brazilian companies were going to feasibility studies.  Given that Guyana wasn't going to pay for it that fits the definition of free.

You have no need to prove to me that you are an idiot.  I already know this.

Listen, stop playing the fool.  The fact that Brazil was upfronting the cost does not mean it's freeness.  Guyana likely had to give up on tolls and certain charges at least for some time.  The Brazilians, on the other hand, would reap economic benefits.  But so would Guyana às im sure the road would have been accessible to Guyanese.  This is definition of win/win if realised.  

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

These are lies, Brazil never offered anything free.  Consortium.

Druggie when you post a link it is best if you read it.

Two Brazilian companies were going to feasibility studies.  Given that Guyana wasn't going to pay for it that fits the definition of free.

You have no need to prove to me that you are an idiot.  I already know this.

Dummy, who stopped them from doing feasibility study? Jagdeo? This is what you claimed. It is quite possible that Granger scuttled the deal with his crass behavior, not fit to be president. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

These are lies, Brazil never offered anything free.  Consortium.

Druggie when you post a link it is best if you read it.

Two Brazilian companies were going to feasibility studies.  Given that Guyana wasn't going to pay for it that fits the definition of free.

You have no need to prove to me that you are an idiot.  I already know this.

Dummy, who stopped them from doing feasibility study? Jagdeo? This is what you claimed. It is quite possible that Granger scuttled the deal with his crass behavior, not fit to be president. 

Seems to be what happened.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

 

Only possible if we had cheap energy from the PPP's proposed Amelia Hydro. 

Yes let Fip Motilall build the dam.  He will be just as successful as he was with the road.  $5 million spent and no road, and Fip is fat, happy and rich.

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

 

Only possible if we had cheap energy from the PPP's proposed Amelia Hydro. 

Yes let Fip Motilall build the dam.  He will be just as successful as he was with the road.  $5 million spent and no road, and Fip is fat, happy and rich.

Ask Cathy Hughes about her connection to this man who was fired from the project by Ramotar.

ba$eman posted:

 

Listen, stop playing the fool.  The fact that Brazil was upfronting the cost does not mean it's freeness.  Guyana likely had to give up on tolls and certain charges at least for some time.  The Brazilians, on the other hand, would reap economic benefits.  But so would Guyana às im sure the road would have been accessible to Guyanese.  This is definition of win/win if realised.  

1.  The biggest challenge to moving forward with a project will be funding the initial costs, so if Brazil assumed those costs Guyana will benefit.

2.  You all pay tolls in the USA and don't complain, so why not in Guyana? The fact remains is that there would have been a road, and a port in construction, which would have tremendously benefitted Guyana had this been allowed to happen.  

3. So what if those who invested in the project were allowed cost recovery.  In fact that is how Jamaica has built their highway network and how they operate their airports.

But you prefer no port and so Guyana rises and falls based on what commodity traders decide to do.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

 

Ask Cathy Hughes about her connection to this man who was fired from the project by Ramotar.

She met him at one of the project meetings.  Yes Fip the die hard PPP man.  Fip was only fired from the project when his incompetence had become a huge embarrassment for the PPP.

Now if the PPP didn't even have mechanisms to vet bidders for a $5 million road, you are trying to tell me that they could have managed a US$1 billion project?

Nice one trying to tell me that the PPP would have allowed an AFC Indo into their Friends and Family program.   Just now you will  be screaming that Moses is a good man with all your fervor for those who you usually accuse as Cuffy Lovers.

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

 

Only possible if we had cheap energy from the PPP's proposed Amelia Hydro. 

Yes let Fip Motilall build the dam.  He will be just as successful as he was with the road.  $5 million spent and no road, and Fip is fat, happy and rich.

You lying piece of crap. Motilal was only building the roads. The dam was supposed to be the responsibility of Sithe Global & Blackstone which you dummies drove away from the project with your 1 seat majority in parliament.

Drugb posted:

 

You lying piece of crap. Motilal was only building the roads. in.

And got paid $5 million even though there is no road.  Yet you believe that the PPP had credibility to build the dam.

Where is the feasibility study for the dam by the way?   Seeing a dry river bed in the dry season must bother even a PPP fraud like you, given that the INITIAL project costs were around $1billion!

Which oneadem ran big tarass business out of a barber shop, was that Fip?