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By choosing to work together, these two gentlemen offer the best hope for Guyana

April 6, 2015 | By | Filed Under Letters 

Dear Editor, In just about fifty days from now, voters in Guyana will once again decide whether this nation shall remain divided as it has been over the past several decades, or whether it is time to take that brave step towards national unity. On May 11, Guyanese will exercise a basic, but yet powerful right that is now enjoyed by every adult person excepting those in one nation within this hemisphere. This is the right to decide who should form our next Government. On that day, May 11 2015 – a few days before we celebrate the anniversary of our independence from Great Britain, we will either squander this chance and continue as a divided people where a token Prime Minister again serves as a pretense of racial inclusion, or we will find the strength to break old habits and use this electoral process to forge a bright future for this nation. Changing a Government is not always easy.   The last time we did that was in 1992 when the voices of Guyanese people were heard loud and clear.    That change of Government, unfortunately, did not bring the development for which so many of us had hoped. Instead of seeking reconciliation and national unity, some of the new leaders chose to enrich themselves as is evidenced by the many mansions they built and the vast amount of wealth they quickly acquired. It seemed as though those that were elected were asking only what this country can do for them, and not what they ought to be doing for the people of Guyana.   Twenty three years have passed since we had that change, and we are still a nation divided along ethnic lines.  We are still a country where corruption is rampant. We are still a country where crime remains out of control and where the police succumb to political pressures. It is no wonder that with all of this, we continue to seek better futures in America, Canada and even Trinidad or Surinam as the increasing numbers of visa applications will confirm. It has been too long that our country has remained unable to live up to its potential.  When this country gained independence in 1966, it was wealthier than Singapore.   Today we are among the poorest of nations despite being blessed with abundant natural resources including gold and petroleum. With the potential for rapid growth, Guyanese ought not to be among the poorest in this region.  Our children should not have to be working as gardeners and house maids in Barbados or Surinam.  There should be enough high paying jobs for everyone right here at home. We can pull this country out from being among the poorest to becoming one where we can experience the quality of life enjoyed by those in more developed countries.  But we have to make the right choice when the time comes. History is filled with moments where people have chosen the right option when the time came.  In South Africa for example, after the fall of the white minority Government, the blacks could have squandered the moment and resolve to cycles of revenge. Instead, they chose a path of national unity and reconciliation which led to a proud South African nation with all races working as one people.   This is our time to do the same. This election cycle brings us a rare opportunity to fix the problems of the past.  We have two leaders who have demonstrated their unselfish commitment to put aside their egos and past baggage so that they may give this country a chance to move forward. Moses Nagamootoo has shown that he has the courage to do what many East Indians have been afraid to do…he reached out to the other political leaders so that the races in Guyana can begin to work as Guyanese instead of Afro or Indo or other ethnic labels. Likewise, APNU under David Granger must be commended for sticking to the idea of national unity and for working to forge a platform for such.  By choosing to work together, these two gentlemen offer the best hope for Guyana. If these two men win the elections in May, then all of Guyana will have won.   The time has come. Max Mohamed

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No because this would be the AFC's first time in govt. and first time for APNU. APNU is not PNC.

 

Freddy has written well on the PPP as an administrative dictatorship.

 

They were a minority govt refusing to listen to the majority opposition, and Ramotar refusing to assent to Opposition bills.  That's what dictatorship is, Simpleton.

FM

Who does the PPP listen to?  Apart from Jagdeo?

 

They are in a monologue with themselves.  The Coalition with a 60-40 govt, will begin the healing of the nation. We do not believe in winner takes all or loser takes all (as in the case of the PPP having the minority and having all control, even when it's illegal to spend state funds without authority.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

By choosing to work together, these two gentlemen offer the best hope for Guyana

April 6, 2015 | By | Filed Under Letters 

Dear Editor, In just about fifty days from now, voters in Guyana will once again decide whether this nation shall remain divided as it has been over the past several decades, or whether it is time to take that brave step towards national unity. On May 11, Guyanese will exercise a basic, but yet powerful right that is now enjoyed by every adult person excepting those in one nation within this hemisphere. This is the right to decide who should form our next Government. On that day, May 11 2015 – a few days before we celebrate the anniversary of our independence from Great Britain, we will either squander this chance and continue as a divided people where a token Prime Minister again serves as a pretense of racial inclusion, or we will find the strength to break old habits and use this electoral process to forge a bright future for this nation. Changing a Government is not always easy.   The last time we did that was in 1992 when the voices of Guyanese people were heard loud and clear.    That change of Government, unfortunately, did not bring the development for which so many of us had hoped. Instead of seeking reconciliation and national unity, some of the new leaders chose to enrich themselves as is evidenced by the many mansions they built and the vast amount of wealth they quickly acquired. It seemed as though those that were elected were asking only what this country can do for them, and not what they ought to be doing for the people of Guyana.   Twenty three years have passed since we had that change, and we are still a nation divided along ethnic lines.  We are still a country where corruption is rampant. We are still a country where crime remains out of control and where the police succumb to political pressures. It is no wonder that with all of this, we continue to seek better futures in America, Canada and even Trinidad or Surinam as the increasing numbers of visa applications will confirm. It has been too long that our country has remained unable to live up to its potential.  When this country gained independence in 1966, it was wealthier than Singapore.   Today we are among the poorest of nations despite being blessed with abundant natural resources including gold and petroleum. With the potential for rapid growth, Guyanese ought not to be among the poorest in this region.  Our children should not have to be working as gardeners and house maids in Barbados or Surinam.  There should be enough high paying jobs for everyone right here at home. We can pull this country out from being among the poorest to becoming one where we can experience the quality of life enjoyed by those in more developed countries.  But we have to make the right choice when the time comes. History is filled with moments where people have chosen the right option when the time came.  In South Africa for example, after the fall of the white minority Government, the blacks could have squandered the moment and resolve to cycles of revenge. Instead, they chose a path of national unity and reconciliation which led to a proud South African nation with all races working as one people.   This is our time to do the same. This election cycle brings us a rare opportunity to fix the problems of the past.  We have two leaders who have demonstrated their unselfish commitment to put aside their egos and past baggage so that they may give this country a chance to move forward. Moses Nagamootoo has shown that he has the courage to do what many East Indians have been afraid to do…he reached out to the other political leaders so that the races in Guyana can begin to work as Guyanese instead of Afro or Indo or other ethnic labels. Likewise, APNU under David Granger must be commended for sticking to the idea of national unity and for working to forge a platform for such.  By choosing to work together, these two gentlemen offer the best hope for Guyana. If these two men win the elections in May, then all of Guyana will have won.   The time has come. Max Mohamed

The APNU/AFC had to form an alliance to have Indians in the PNC. Look at the PPP list , no alliance but there are name of all the races, it reflects the the true image of Guyana. Now Jagdeo is on the list, it is echoing fear to the opposition, because, if you remember he had a majority government, blacks and indians liked him. This election will be one of the most interesting in Guyana's history.

K
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Jagdeo is too young to carry the old feelings of race.

 

Jagdeo specifically doesnt like black people.  He has been heard making very racist remarks about them.  He has excluded blacks even more than Jagan did.

 

Jagan wasnt a racist, but learned the language of race to win elections.  Jagdeo is an out an out racist.

FM
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Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

But Jagdeo brought in many Black people (of the terrorist genre) into big positions- Kwame, Lumumba, Hamilton, Gillian, Bynoe, etc., and Black ministers.

Does the fact that Jagdeo can only deal with thugs, soup lickers, milk drinkers, and toothless tokens not suggest to you that he thinks badly of blacks?

FM
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Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Most are Afros; do your research.

 

There are most Afros in the senior leadership of any state agency in Guyana, apart from most Afros comprising the general labor force of these agencies.

 

Do your research and stop acting as if you don't know this is true.

If today was 4/20 I'd say that you are celebrating cause you must be smoking some good shit. 

Mars
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Most are Afros; do your research.

 

There are most Afros in the senior leadership of any state agency in Guyana, apart from most Afros comprising the general labor force of these agencies.

 

Do your research and stop acting as if you don't know this is true.

NAME THEM.  You claim that the PPP is inclusive.  PROVE it.

 

Obviously you CANNOT!

Ministers.

Education, Indian.  Health, Indian.  Finance, Indian.  Agriculture, Indian.  Natural Resources, Indian.  Labor, Indian.  Housing, Indian.  Aside from Ministry of works the more important ministries are headed by INDIANS.

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Most are Afros; do your research.

 

There are most Afros in the senior leadership of any state agency in Guyana, apart from most Afros comprising the general labor force of these agencies.

 

Do your research and stop acting as if you don't know this is true.

NAME THEM.  You claim that the PPP is inclusive.  PROVE it.

 

Obviously you CANNOT!

Ministers.

Education, Indian.  Health, Indian.  Finance, Indian.  Agriculture, Indian.  Natural Resources, Indian.  Labor, Indian.  Housing, Indian.  Aside from Ministry of works the more important ministries are headed by INDIANS.

 

 

So you don't want any Indians to head any ministries? And you are OK with these ministries having a majority of Afro employees, and most Afros are senior personnel such as PS, Principal Assistant Secretaries, Heads of Departments, supervisors?? 

 

And if we can show that non-Indians are Ministers and Heads, your response is "but they are not the most important ministries."  So you will only be satisfied if only Afros control every aspect?  In fact, in your line of thinking, it wouldn't be fair unless an Afro holds the position of President. That's not the vision of the Coalition on racial and national unity.

FM

CJIA Indian.  Guyoil Indian.  Forestry Commission Indian.  NICIL not black. GPL Indian. Guysuco Indian.  Lands & Surveys Commission Indian.  Bank of Guyana Indian.  Georgetown Public Hospital Corp, Indian.  Guyana Revenue Authority Indian.

 

Doing my research.  Only black I found up to now is the Geological and Mines Commission.

 

So the PPP can have all the black back benchers whose jobs are too smile and a lie to the PPPs hatred of Afro Guyanese.

FM
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Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:
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So you don't want any Indians to head any ministries? And you are OK with these ministries having a majority of Afro employees, and most Afros are senior personnel such as PS, Principal Assistant Secretaries, Heads of Departments, supervisors?? 

 

And if we can show that non-Indians are Ministers and Heads, your response is "but they are not the most important ministries."  So you will only be satisfied if only Afros control every aspect?  In fact, in your line of thinking, it wouldn't be fair unless an Afro holds the position of President. That's not the vision of the Coalition on racial and national unity.

I see that your idea of "national unity" is that EVERY department must be headed by Indians.

 

If APNU AFC wins you will be back with the PPP is two seconds.  Apparently you cannot live in Guyana UNLESS 80-90% of the leadership is held by Indians.

 

 

Please answer this question.  If so many of the mid level workers are African HOW COME NONE ARE CONSIDERED COMPETENT TO LEAD?

 

Jay Bharrat you are either a racist or very clumsy around blacks!

 

What ministries can you show are headed by Africans?  Aside from public works,  and MAYBE the Public Service ministry, these are useless ministries of scant importance.  Only one, maybe 2 important ministries led by blacks.

 

Govt entities.  Virtually ALL led by non blacks.  Only found ONE headed by a black! 

 

Jay you are a PPP.  The only role that blacks play in your world is to be used by people like you to get POWER!  You do NOTsee them as fit to lead, because if you did their ALMOST TOTAL EXCLUSION would bother you.

 

 

FM
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Jay Bharrat and the other PPP refugees.  Unless you dump your racist PPP attitudes that blacks are like children, to be seen and not heard.  Not to lead, but to be told what they ought to do APNU AFC will die a very early death.

 

If Nagamootoo thinks that he is going to replace PPP Indians with PPP refugee exile Indians in leadership slots he will have a BIG FIGHT on his hands.

FM

Jay please list leadership slots CONTROLLED by blacks!  Please show that the representation of this leadership is equivalent to the existence of talent in Guyana who happen to be Afro Guyanese.

 

 

Guyana is NOT Brazil or Colombia where the blacks are illiterate and uneducated. So if you can only cite 3 blacks playing meaningful roles (Public Works, Public Service ministry, and Geology and Mines) this might as well be SOUTH AFRICA!

 

But you seem happy with that.

 

Get lost RACIST!  Leaders SET POLICY and ALLOCATE resources.  All those department heads IMPLEMENT policy!  If you cannot understand the implications of this you are either racist or seriously STUPID.

FM
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Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Carib said: "because if you did their ALMOST TOTAL EXCLUSION would bother you."

 

And he is correct (for the first time), it will bother me if our Afros are excluded.

 

 

So why aren't you bothered?  Out of 11 key ministries only TWO black ministers.  Out of several state commissions and corporations only found ONE headed by a black.

 

Doesn't that look like exclusion to you?  Or would you prefer ZERO blacks heading organization.

 

So you scream that black "dominate" because most of the clerks are black.  Will did blacks dominate British Guiana in 1838 when most of the workers on the sugar estates were black?  Did the dominate British Guiana in 1900 when most of the policemen and clerks were black?

 

Blacks are all but excluded from the people who set policy, allocate resources and determine the direction that Guyana goes!  So how can blacks control Guyana?

 

Obviously you haven't worked in the civil service if you think that Permanent SECRETARIES head anything.  The word SECRETARY is there for a reason.  Their favorite word is "yes minister, right away minister".  Especially if the minister is Indian and the PS is black. 

FM
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Jay figure out the average salary of Indians in the civil service and blacks.

http://www.caribbeanamericanforum.com/?p=1849

 

I suggest that you scream at Nigel Hughes as he outlined PPP racism against Afro Guyanese.

 

Note that 3 years later there are FEWER blacks in leadership slots in the public sector.

 

Note that people like you called Hughes a racist for making those claims.

 

Shockingly you seem ignorant about how one of your own AFCites thinks.

 

Ready to flee back to the PPP yet?

 

FM

AFC /APNU or any party would have people with views ranging from extreme to moderate.  You have extreme ACDA views to David Hinds and others and more moderate views.  That's why a Coalition will help to bring moderation.

 You are really deep in this manifest destiny of Afros needing to be the dominators or else it's not real equity.  Going back to 1838, 1900... we are trying to move forward Brother! Catch the vision.

FM

Ram:

 

We have to build on hope and trust.  Looking forward with faith, not looking way back into ancient history and whipping up fear and hysteria.

 

The Coalition is the most significant development in our recent politics.  It's a leap of faith and we must support it.

 

The PPP lost a good opportunity to be the senior member in a multi-party coalition, and that would have kept it safely in power.  But its greed and support for corruption is it's downfall.

 

The PPP deserves to be the Opposition as part of its timeout punishment.

 

Long live the Coalition for racial and national unity, moving forward in faith.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

AFC /APNU or any party would have people with views ranging from extreme to moderate.  You have extreme ACDA views to David Hinds and others and more moderate views.  That's why a Coalition will help to bring moderation.

 You are really deep in this manifest destiny of Afros needing to be the dominators or else it's not real equity.  Going back to 1838, 1900... we are trying to move forward Brother! Catch the vision.

1838 and 1900 are relevant because the argument that you are using for 2015 where you scream that blacks have too much power is relevant.

 

Blacks dominate the lower ranks in the civil service in 2015 as they did in 1900.  So if that is the criteria that you use to claim that blacks dominate Guyana, well they dominated Guyana in 1900.

 

Coalitions only work when people are willing to listen.  YOu want to foist down the throats of blacks that they CURRENTLY have TOO MUCH POWER!

 

 

So what's your plan.  Get rid of blacks in mid ranks in the civil service when the private sector refuses to hire them?  Maintain the current status quo where 90% of the top leadership positions are Indians?

 

Tell you what.  Ask any APNU person, moderate or radical. They will tell you that there is a systematic plan to exclude Africans.  That this is NOT only in the public sector, but also in the private sector.  They will laugh at your notion that blacks dominate Guyana, because most of the immigration officers or civil service clerks are black.

 

 

Jay it is obvious that you have NO IDEA of what is happening in Guyana!

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

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Long live the Coalition for racial and national unity, moving forward in faith.

 

You wish a Guyana like Brazil.  Where the blacks are "happy. but excluded from leadership, but over represented among the lower ranks of the police, and confined to laboring and clerical jobs.  But "HAPPY".

 

Afro Guyanese aren't like Afro Brazilians, so that isn't happening if APNU AFC wins!  If Africans didn't feel excluded, merely because they are Africans, the PNC would have died in 2007.

 

It resuscitated itself in 2011 because Afro Guyanese couldn't tolerate more of a PPP racist gov't, so flocked to the party that they thought had the best ability to defend them, even if it couldn't win.  So they abandoned the AFC, leaving an empty shell which you and the rest of your PPP refugees took over.

FM
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