How do the current names reflect the history of the area? Nothing in the two letters explain how ,for example, "promenade" reflects the murder of slaves.

@Totaram posted:

How do the current names reflect the history of the area? Nothing in the two letters explain how ,for example, "promenade" reflects the murder of slaves.

Hammie letter explained how Promenade Garden was created .

The Promenade Gardens, the Parade Ground and that part of Middle Street were all one plot of land. Later, a middle dam, now known as Middle Street was prepared as part of the improvement of Georgetown.

@Django posted:

Hammie letter explained how Promenade Garden was created .

The Promenade Gardens, the Parade Ground and that part of Middle Street were all one plot of land. Later, a middle dam, now known as Middle Street was prepared as part of the improvement of Georgetown.

Yes, I saw what he wrote.  I agree that the plot of land has great historical significance.  However, the names Promenade, Middle and Parade do not reflect that historical significance.  Surely there are other names that would honour the memory of those who were killed there.  I am not arguing for "Mahatma Gandhi".  That would be a non-starter if Afro-Guyanese object as they seem to be doing.

@Totaram posted:

Yes, I saw what he wrote.  I agree that the plot of land has great historical significance.  However, the names Promenade, Middle and Parade do not reflect that historical significance.  Surely there are other names that would honour the memory of those who were killed there.  I am not arguing for "Mahatma Gandhi".  That would be a non-starter if Afro-Guyanese object as they seem to be doing.

The British gave the name Parade Ground, because of the parades and other military activities conducted there .

@Totaram posted:

Yes, I saw what he wrote.  I agree that the plot of land has great historical significance.  However, the names Promenade, Middle and Parade do not reflect that historical significance.  Surely there are other names that would honour the memory of those who were killed there.  I am not arguing for "Mahatma Gandhi".  That would be a non-starter if Afro-Guyanese object as they seem to be doing.

Do you think Linden would be more appropriately renamed Mahatma Gandhi because of coolies that were massacred there?

@sachin_05 posted:

Do you think Linden would be more appropriately renamed Mahatma Gandhi because of coolies that were massacred there?

No

@sachin_05 posted:

Do you think Linden would be more appropriately renamed Mahatma Gandhi because of coolies that were massacred there?

What Mahatma Ghandi have to do with Guyana ?

@Django posted:

What Mahatma Ghandi have to do with Guyana ?

I guess the same as Mandela, you know there is a avenue named after him right?

Green is a racist, he destroyed Granger's chances of Champion of Guyana.

Green, son of a slave?

Amerindians are owners of the land. I know ppl are trying to say they arrive in Guyana too.

Green ppl arrive too.

@sachin_05 posted:

I guess the same as Mandela, you know there is a avenue named after him right?

Do you agree Middle Street should be re-named after Mahatma Ghandi ?

@sachin_05 posted:

I guess the same as Mandela, you know there is a avenue named after him right?

do you know where mandela avenue is and what it was called before?

@Spugum posted:

do you know where mandela avenue is and what it was called before?

I know it’s the continuation of sherif street going south just past botanic garden. It begins around home stretch avenue and ends at back road I think. I use to ride my bicycle through that area back in the days. I don’t recalled what it was called before…

@Django posted:

The British gave the name Parade Ground, because of the parades and other military activities conducted there .

Yes but the name is a relic of colonialism.  The letter writers are arguing that it would be inappropriate to name anything in the area after Gandhi because of its historical connection to the massacre of slaves.  My question is how do Parade, Middle or Promenade honour the memory of those that were murdered? 

@sachin_05 posted:

I know it’s the continuation of sherif street going south just past botanic garden. It begins around home stretch avenue and ends at back road I think. I use to ride my bicycle through that area back in the days. I don’t recalled what it was called before…

right - it didn't reall have a name. part of it was called the back road

@Totaram posted:

Yes but the name is a relic of colonialism.  The letter writers are arguing that it would be inappropriate to name anything in the area after Gandhi because of its historical connection to the massacre of slaves.

My question is how do Parade, Middle or Promenade honour the memory of those that were murdered?

Agreed the name is Colonial Relic.

The Colonials wasn't interested in naming the place in honor of the convicted slaves from the Slave insurrection in Demerara Colony ,August 18 ,1823 ,it will be against them.

Guyanese are aware of the events that took place there and the name should change to reflect the events that took place there .

@Totaram posted:

Yes but the name is a relic of colonialism.  The letter writers are arguing that it would be inappropriate to name anything in the area after Gandhi because of its historical connection to the massacre of slaves.  My question is how do Parade, Middle or Promenade honour the memory of those that were murdered?

these names don't honour the names of the murdered slaves

hamilton greene is being careful with his words here because of racial tensions that exists in guyana at the moment

the real reason behind the push-back on naming anything in that area after Ghandi is 1) the history of the murdered slaves and 2) because or what Ghandi is reported to have written and said about black south africans during their struggle against racism at that time

number 2 above is the real showstopper

1823 Demerara Revolt Monument was built and placed at Atlantic Avenue on the Seawall.

The rightful place is Independence Park (Parade Ground)

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...up-at-parade-ground/

African group repudiates call for Middle St to be renamed after Gandhi


…says request an affront to African Guyanese

The 1823 Coalition Committee has signaled its opposition to the renaming of Middle Street after Mahatma Gandhi.
At a ceremony on Sunday, Indian High Commissioner to Guyana, Dr. Srinivasa requested that the Government of Guyana rename Middle Street to honour M.K Gandhi.
“We vigorously oppose this attempt by Dr, Srinivasa to impose the veneration of a person that is known for his racism against African people more so when the world is waking up and condemning Gandhi and in some countries are removing his statues with haste,” the statement read.

The group noted that one of the first battles Gandhi fought after coming to South Africa was over the separate entrances for whites and blacks at the Durban post office. Gandhi objected that Indians were “classed with the natives of South Africa,” who he called the kaffirs, and demanded a separate entrance for Indians. The group noted that in an open letter to the Natal Parliament in 1893, Gandhi wrote:
“I venture to point out that both the English and the Indians spring from a common stock, called the Indo-Aryan. … A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”

Protesting the decision of Johannesburg municipal authorities to allow Africans to live alongside Indians Gandhi wrote in 1904 that the council “must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen.”

In response to the White League’s agitation against Indian immigration and the proposed importation of Chinese labour, Gandhi wrote in 1903: “We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race.”
** quoted from book “The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire.”

According to the group a little-known fact of Guyanese History is that Middle Street featured prominently in the events that defined the aftermath of the 1823 Demerara Revolution. “It was on Middle Street the key participants of that revolution were made to drag their coffins behind them on their way to what can only be described as the worst Court Sitting in the history of our beloved country.”
“The Good High Commissioner Dr Srinivasa must have read about the 1823 Demerara Revolution and should be aware of its importance in the struggle for freedom not only for Guyanese but right-thinking people across the world. Hence to suggest naming that last road the heroes of the 1823 Revolt walked on before they were beheaded and some of their heads made to adorn Middle Street as decorations must surely be an oversight.”

The group said the suggestion to rename Middle Street after a man that showed such contempt and disdain for African people is an affront to all Africans and right-thinking persons.
“We honour and commemorate our brave Ancestors that fought against the worst form of human degradation described by the United Nations as the greatest crime against humanity
We call on the Government of Guyana to stand with African Guyanese against this humiliating and disrespectful request which is truly an insult to all freedom loving peoples.”
[7:22 PM, 10/4/2021] John Smith: A statue of Mahatma Gandhi, the famed Indian independence leader, has been removed from a university campus in Ghana’s capital, Accra.

https://villagevoicenews.com/2...enamed-after-gandhi/

It is wrong to name anywhere after any foreigner. When the Whites ruled the world, they did it claiming places and landmarks had no names. Or, the thinking of native ignorance.

In India, Gandhi is not freely accepted. The Sikhs hate him for agreeing to division of the Punjab to the muslims.

When the Venoes take over Guyana, everything will be Hispanic.

Stupid Guyanese people more riled up bout a renaming rather than good government. Same intensity for good governance.

Is Irfaan that stupid to change the name of the place? Or all of this is more racist rhetoric.

@Django posted:

Do you agree Middle Street should be re-named after Mahatma Ghandi ?

Do you think naming it after Idi Amin would be more appropriate?

@Spugum posted:

African group repudiates call for Middle St to be renamed after Gandhi


…says request an affront to African Guyanese

The 1823 Coalition Committee has signaled its opposition to the renaming of Middle Street after Mahatma Gandhi.
At a ceremony on Sunday, Indian High Commissioner to Guyana, Dr. Srinivasa requested that the Government of Guyana rename Middle Street to honour M.K Gandhi.
“We vigorously oppose this attempt by Dr, Srinivasa to impose the veneration of a person that is known for his racism against African people more so when the world is waking up and condemning Gandhi and in some countries are removing his statues with haste,” the statement read.

The group noted that one of the first battles Gandhi fought after coming to South Africa was over the separate entrances for whites and blacks at the Durban post office. Gandhi objected that Indians were “classed with the natives of South Africa,” who he called the kaffirs, and demanded a separate entrance for Indians. The group noted that in an open letter to the Natal Parliament in 1893, Gandhi wrote:
“I venture to point out that both the English and the Indians spring from a common stock, called the Indo-Aryan. … A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”

Protesting the decision of Johannesburg municipal authorities to allow Africans to live alongside Indians Gandhi wrote in 1904 that the council “must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen.”

In response to the White League’s agitation against Indian immigration and the proposed importation of Chinese labour, Gandhi wrote in 1903: “We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race.”
** quoted from book “The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire.”

According to the group a little-known fact of Guyanese History is that Middle Street featured prominently in the events that defined the aftermath of the 1823 Demerara Revolution. “It was on Middle Street the key participants of that revolution were made to drag their coffins behind them on their way to what can only be described as the worst Court Sitting in the history of our beloved country.”
“The Good High Commissioner Dr Srinivasa must have read about the 1823 Demerara Revolution and should be aware of its importance in the struggle for freedom not only for Guyanese but right-thinking people across the world. Hence to suggest naming that last road the heroes of the 1823 Revolt walked on before they were beheaded and some of their heads made to adorn Middle Street as decorations must surely be an oversight.”

The group said the suggestion to rename Middle Street after a man that showed such contempt and disdain for African people is an affront to all Africans and right-thinking persons.
“We honour and commemorate our brave Ancestors that fought against the worst form of human degradation described by the United Nations as the greatest crime against humanity
We call on the Government of Guyana to stand with African Guyanese against this humiliating and disrespectful request which is truly an insult to all freedom loving peoples.”
[7:22 PM, 10/4/2021] John Smith: A statue of Mahatma Gandhi, the famed Indian independence leader, has been removed from a university campus in Ghana’s capital, Accra.

https://villagevoicenews.com/2...enamed-after-gandhi/

Y’all barking up the wrong tree, y’all need to direct y’all outrage to the slave master who committed these atrocities. They are still around plying their trade, they may not have coolies and blacks in physical chains but they have the nation’s resources in virtual chains in contracts  they signed. The coolie man was sort of enslaved himself, he never owned a slave but the real slave owners got us right where they wants us - at each other throats while they laugh all the way to the bank..hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]

@sachin_05 posted:

Do you think naming it after Idi Amin would be more appropriate?

Is he related to Amin the cane juice man at Zeeburg?

@sachin_05 posted:

Y’all barking up the wrong tree, y’all need to direct y’all outrage to the slave master who committed these atrocities. They are still around plying their trade, they may not have coolies and blacks in physical chains but they have the nation’s resources in virtual chains in contracts  they signed. The coolie man was sort of enslaved himself, he never owned a slave but the real slave owners got us right where they wants us - at each other throats while they laugh all the way to the bank..hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]

You so chupid even when you make a valid point you laugh like a hyena in heat.  Nevertheless, you do make a valid point in this post. 

Ali Khan has West African, Chinese and East Indian genes in him.  After recently reading what Gandhi wrote about Indians with African women and knowing many East Indian families in Guyana got their start from African Guyanese women.  I cannot for the life of me look at Gandhi the same way ever again.

@sachin_05 posted:

Do you think naming it after Idi Amin would be more appropriate?

That will be agreeable to them bruddahs on here, anythig other than Indian or Whitey.

@Ali Khan Azad posted:

Ali Khan has West African, Chinese and East Indian genes in him.  After recently reading what Gandhi wrote about Indians with African women and knowing many East Indian families in Guyana got their start from African Guyanese women.  I cannot for the life of me look at Gandhi the same way ever again.

Dem sey, "Criticisms should be palatable just incase it has to be eaten later." Poor Gandhi aint around to aoplogise. He muss been forgiven, both Mandela and Martin Luther found him favourabe. Then again those men faced white ppl tyranny suh deh know who Gandhi was dealing with.

Gandhi had infinite wisdom and he is quoted many times by prominent ppl. Dem stupid azz bruddahs can never hope to achieve the graces of prominent Afroes.

Solomon said, " Those who have increase in knowledge also have increase in sorrows." He is a whiteman doan expect bruddahs to buy into his wisdom. Dislike Aglo-Aryans at all cost.

@seignet posted:

That will be agreeable to them bruddahs on here, anythig other than Indian or Whitey.

I think LFSB Ave would be just perfect.

Like Middle Street which was Middle Dam, Sawmill Dam in Rossignol got named after hundreds of years having no name. Then re-named Burnham's Avenue- a real eyes pass to the Indians living on the Sawmill Dam.

@Totaram posted:

You so chupid even when you make a valid point you laugh like a hyena in heat.  Nevertheless, you do make a valid point in this post.

Exactly what Sachin is saying, you are proving his point.

@cain posted:

I think LFSB Ave would be just perfect.

Cain smoke up. Soon he will be shouting Hamilton Greene Avenue.

@sachin_05 posted:

Y’all barking up the wrong tree, y’all need to direct y’all outrage to the slave master who committed these atrocities. They are still around plying their trade, they may not have coolies and blacks in physical chains but they have the nation’s resources in virtual chains in contracts  they signed. The coolie man was sort of enslaved himself, he never owned a slave but the real slave owners got us right where they wants us - at each other throats while they laugh all the way to the bank..hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]

something odd is going on here

if an indian leader makes racist comments or implements racist policies towards blacks and is called out some indians think that is being anti-indian, why?

edi amin's actions were racist and indians rightfully called him out and still do. i know indians who were actual victims of amin's racist policies. but i don't know any blacks who think that indians that felt the brunt of amin's racism and speak out about it is being anti-black

if an indian says burnham was racist towards him why should i think he's being anti-black based on just that? i may choose to find out a bit more about why he feels that way but that's it

@seignet posted:

Dem sey, "Criticisms should be palatable just incase it has to be eaten later." Poor Gandhi aint around to aoplogise. He muss been forgiven, both Mandela and Martin Luther found him favourabe. Then again those men faced white ppl tyranny suh deh know who Gandhi was dealing with.

Gandhi had infinite wisdom and he is quoted many times by prominent ppl. Dem stupid azz bruddahs can never hope to achieve the graces of prominent Afroes.

Solomon said, " Those who have increase in knowledge also have increase in sorrows." He is a whiteman doan expect bruddahs to buy into his wisdom. Dislike Aglo-Aryans at all cost.

ghandi was well admired and inspired many black leaders engaged in the struggle to free their people from oppression. mlk and mandela were impressed with some of his methods

it was later that a side to ghandi emerged that didn't sit well with black people

it's like being in a relationship with a woman you love and admire only to find out later that she isn't what you thought she was

@seignet posted:

Dem sey, "Criticisms should be palatable just incase it has to be eaten later." Poor Gandhi aint around to aoplogise. He muss been forgiven, both Mandela and Martin Luther found him favourabe. Then again those men faced white ppl tyranny suh deh know who Gandhi was dealing with.

Gandhi had infinite wisdom and he is quoted many times by prominent ppl. Dem stupid azz bruddahs can never hope to achieve the graces of prominent Afroes.

Solomon said, " Those who have increase in knowledge also have increase in sorrows." He is a whiteman doan expect bruddahs to buy into his wisdom. Dislike Aglo-Aryans at all cost.

didn't his "infinite wisdom" taught him that homo sapiens originated in africa?

look, worship him if you want but don't expect everyone will

@Spugum posted:

.........it's like being in a relationship with a woman you love and admire only to find out later that she isn't what you thought she was.

Yehhh, especially if it's found she got the same sexual organs, ow me laaawd!.

Koolies are a divided crabdog fight up people.  Nevertheless, this should not mean that they should be hated by West African Guyanese racist hate. This does not mean that I support the naming of the street Gandhi. It means that the issue should not be used by antikoolie racist dogs as a way to antikoolie race hate the koolie.

@Prashad posted:

Koolies are a divided crabdog fight up people.  Nevertheless, this should not mean that they should be hated by West African Guyanese racist hate. This does not mean that I support the naming of the street Gandhi. It means that the issue should not be used by antikoolie racist dogs as a way to antikoolie race hate the koolie.

aloo - how are you? what's the weather like at your end?

@sachin_05 posted:

Do you think naming it after Idi Amin would be more appropriate?

Joker !!!!