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Please help me understand why some Cabinet Ministers have already been sworn in and others not. Are those Ministers who have not been sworn working in their positions already, and if so, are they authorized to make decisions without taking an Oath of Office as a Minister?

As well, I can't understand why all the  cabinet appointments were not done at the same time. 

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Originally Posted by Dondadda:

Please help me understand why some Cabinet Ministers have already been sworn in and others not. Are those Ministers who have not been sworn working in their positions already, and if so, are they authorized to make decisions without taking an Oath of Office as a Minister?

As well, I can't understand why all the  cabinet appointments were not done at the same time. 

Don't make this an issue.  However, do not overlook the incompetence of those already sworn in.

R
Originally Posted by Dondadda:

Please help me understand why some Cabinet Ministers have already been sworn in and others not. Are those Ministers who have not been sworn working in their positions already, and if so, are they authorized to make decisions without taking an Oath of Office as a Minister?

As well, I can't understand why all the  cabinet appointments were not done at the same time. 

send an email to GOG 

FM
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Dondadda:

Please help me understand why some Cabinet Ministers have already been sworn in and others not. Are those Ministers who have not been sworn working in their positions already, and if so, are they authorized to make decisions without taking an Oath of Office as a Minister?

As well, I can't understand why all the  cabinet appointments were not done at the same time. 

send an email to GOG 

 

inewsguyana.com, June 1 --- "He [Raphael Trotman, Minister of Governance] debunked reports that the APNU did not honour the Cummingsburg Accord which dictated that there is a 60/40 split in the Cabinet. The AFC currently has eight members in Cabinet and APNU 19.

In this regard, Trotman clarified that not all ministers are members of cabinet, pointing out that the junior ministers do not make up the cabinet."

FM
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Not all of the ministers are ever in the cabinet. It's always been like that knucklehead. Look, if you fools are going to criticize at least know what the hell you're talking about. 

Nice one mars...

R
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

So is Felix who said "under this administration, meaning APNU+AFC, there is widespread corruption ”,  in the Inner Circle. Do you know which Cabinet Ministers are on the OUTER CIRCLE? If the Inner Circle have TRUSTED Ministers, am I to take it that the OUTER CIRCLE have Ministers who should not be trusted?

FM
Originally Posted by Dondadda:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

So is Felix who said "under this administration, meaning APNU+AFC, there is widespread corruption ”,  in the Inner Circle. Do you know which Cabinet Ministers are on the OUTER CIRCLE? If the Inner Circle have TRUSTED Ministers, am I to take it that the OUTER CIRCLE have Ministers who should not be trusted?

Send an email off to the government for clarification. I don't answer stupid questions. Maybe there is someone there to entertain the retarded. 

Mars
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Dondadda:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

So is Felix who said "under this administration, meaning APNU+AFC, there is widespread corruption ”,  in the Inner Circle. Do you know which Cabinet Ministers are on the OUTER CIRCLE? If the Inner Circle have TRUSTED Ministers, am I to take it that the OUTER CIRCLE have Ministers who should not be trusted?

Send an email off to the government for clarification. I don't answer stupid questions. Maybe there is someone there to entertain the retarded. 

So you are not Granger's spokesperson any longer? I thought you knew everything or were you pretending to know everything when you know nothing. Oh! I forgot you joined the group of incompetents or as you like to put it "retarded". 

FM
Originally Posted by Dondadda:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Dondadda:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

So is Felix who said "under this administration, meaning APNU+AFC, there is widespread corruption ”,  in the Inner Circle. Do you know which Cabinet Ministers are on the OUTER CIRCLE? If the Inner Circle have TRUSTED Ministers, am I to take it that the OUTER CIRCLE have Ministers who should not be trusted?

Send an email off to the government for clarification. I don't answer stupid questions. Maybe there is someone there to entertain the retarded. 

So you are not Granger's spokesperson any longer? I thought you knew everything or were you pretending to know everything when you know nothing. Oh! I forgot you joined the group of incompetents or as you like to put it "retarded". 

I never was anyone's spokesperson, moron. Look at the nonsense you are asking in this thread. Even Obama did not name his cabinet all at once. You are just simply stupid. Even I can't help you.

Mars
Last edited by Mars
Originally Posted by Nehru:

I will tell you why. It is called PNc incompetence as usual.

 

 

THE BIG QUESTION THAT WILL SOON BE ANSWERED:

 

* Does David Granger have the COMPETENCE to manage and lead Guyana to a higher plateau economically and socially ?

 

* We all saw 9 consecutive years of positive real GDP growth under the PPP. How will Guyana perform under Granger ?

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

This Mars person has some real self esteem problems.

 

Sounds like a PPP diehard who lost his/her employment.

 

Chin up, things will get better for you Bro/Sis.

Dude, I have no problems with the person that I see in the mirror every day. I just have a low tolerance for idiots like you and my bullshit detector beeps very loud whenever knuckleheads like you are around. You must be really losing it if you think I am with the PPP or need the PPP for a handout. You were once with them until they threw you out like a used condom. Now you're hanging around the Coalition to see what leftover soup you can manage to slurp. I have intellectual ability and skills which are very much in demand and I don't need to fraternize with Guyanese politicians for my daily bread. And you think that the Bro/Sis reference is somehow going to frazzle me? Fagg0ts like you could never dream to be half the man I am so keep trying.

 

Mars
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Dondadda:

Please help me understand why some Cabinet Ministers have already been sworn in and others not. Are those Ministers who have not been sworn working in their positions already, and if so, are they authorized to make decisions without taking an Oath of Office as a Minister?

As well, I can't understand why all the  cabinet appointments were not done at the same time. 

send an email to GOG 

I said that they are making it up as they go along. The transition team produced nothing for them to move forward. They need to get their act together and concentrate on actually doing something instead of optics and narrative. They will find out that the civil service will be one of the major impediments to getting things done because it is incompetent and now can blame the PPP for its ineptitude.

Z
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Not all of the ministers are ever in the cabinet. It's always been like that knucklehead. Look, if you fools are going to criticize at least know what the hell you're talking about. 

Some are trainees, not competent to carry out their duties without supervision. Did they not say that they had a competent team to take over government. We're they lying to the people? 

Z
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

No, they undermine themselves by some of the things they have done and some things they failed to do. This is further increased by some of their supporters who insult people while trying to sell their narrative and not aware that if you insult someone, they are less likely to buy into your narrative. Good going, but you are not doing the coalition any good.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

So answer the question.

Are you dumb or what? Go do your own research. I don't have time for stupid people. Go back with your beloved PPP. The Coalition does not need clowns like you to undermine them.

 

 

No, they undermine themselves by some of the things they have done and some things they failed to do. This is further increased by some of their supporters who insult people while trying to sell their narrative and not aware that if you insult someone, they are less likely to buy into your narrative. Good going, but you are not doing the coalition any good.

I'm not here to convince anyone to join a party. I never was a politician and I don't plan on becoming one anytime soon. I'm just trying to clarify some idiotic misconceptions which some of these clowns are throwing around when they do not even understand the basics of how things work. If you're going to criticize something, be sure you know what you're talking about before you start flapping your jaws aimlessly. 

Mars
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Jay, nearly 50 years ago when I studied British Constitution for GCE exams, I learned that not all government ministers in the UK were in the Cabinet. As you know, Guyana has inherited the British constitutional-parliamentary system of governance, give or take some local peculiarity.

FM
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Why?  Junior ministers fall under the control of their senior minister.

 

The only mystery will be why the Minister of Natural Resources, Trotman, will not be part of cabinet, as he will be included under the Presidency.

FM
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Not all of the ministers are ever in the cabinet. It's always been like that knucklehead. Look, if you fools are going to criticize at least know what the hell you're talking about. 

Mars, since 1992, which ministers were not in the cabinet. Also, during the burnham years, which ministers were not part of the cabinet. I am aware that some countries have an inner cabinet, but all ministers are deemed to be cabinet members, as far as I can remember. Where, other than Guyana does this happen?I am more intrigued about the concept of cabinet solidarity. Once the cabinet makes a decision, all members of the cabinet are expected to adhere to it and to publicly support it. How is this achieved if some ministers are not sitting in the cabinet. Or does cabinet solidarity apply only to those in cabinet. Seems self evident, but I do not know that it is that simple.

Z

I think Kari had posted this:

 

The present Guyana government is comprised of 15 Ministries with 15 Ministers. The APNU party has 9 Ministers and the AFC 6. By my calculation that's a 60-40 split and I believe in accord with the Cummingsburg Agreement.

 

The APNU 9 are:

– Basil Williams, Attorney General and Minister of Legal Affairs (APNU, specifically PNCR)

– Winston Jordan, Minister of Finance (APNU, specifically PNCR)

– Carl Greenidge, Minister of Foreign Affairs (APNU, specifically PNCR)

– George Norton, Minister of Public Health (APNU, specifically PNCR)

– Volda Lawrence, Minister of Social Protection (APNU, specifically PNCR)

– Ronald Bulkan, Minister of Communities (APNU, specifically PNCR) (water, housing, local government portfolios included)

– Sydney Allicock, Minister of Indigenous People’s Affairs (APNU, specifically GAP)

– Rupert Roopnaraine, Minister of Education (APNU, specifically WPA) (youth, sport and culture included)

– Amna Ally, Minister of Social Cohesion (APNU, specifically PNCR)

 

The AFC 6 are:

– Moses Nagamootoo, Prime Minister (AFC) and First Vice President

– Khemraj Ramjattan, Minister of Public Security (AFC) (formerly home affairs) and Second Vice President

– Noel Holder, Minister of Agriculture (AFC)

– Dominic Gaskin, Minister of Business and Investment (AFC)

– Cathryn Hughes, Minister Tourism (AFC)

– David Patterson, Minister of Public Infrastructure (AFC)

 

Added to that 15 are 8 Ministers within the above Ministries, referred to as Junior Ministers. 7 are APNU and 1 is AFC. I don't know if this is supposed to be covered by the 60-40 split of the Cummingsburg Agreement.

 

There is then the Ministers within the Presidency (2 APNU and 1 AFC):

– Joe Harmon, Minister of the Presidency (APNU, specifically PNCR) (Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Natural Resources/Envt)

– Raphael Trotman, Minister of Governance (AFC) (within the Min. of the Presidency)

– Winston Felix, Minister of Citizenship (APNU, specifically PNCR) (within the Min. of the Presidency)

 

These 23 + the President + 3 Ministers within the Presidency= 27 Cabinet Members.

 

Note that the Prime Minister is the 1st Vice President and AFC has the other Vice President announced so far (Khemraj).

 

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Reflect on CBJ team of 1992. They were lost as well. The PPP became the PNC of 2015.

Thanks, Siggy. Apart from Cheddi Jagan, no member of his Cabinet had ministerial experience in 1992.

Janet was a minister before, correct?  Was she a minister in the 1992 cabinet?

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Not all of the ministers are ever in the cabinet. It's always been like that knucklehead. Look, if you fools are going to criticize at least know what the hell you're talking about. 

Mars, since 1992, which ministers were not in the cabinet. Also, during the burnham years, which ministers were not part of the cabinet. I am aware that some countries have an inner cabinet, but all ministers are deemed to be cabinet members, as far as I can remember. Where, other than Guyana does this happen?I am more intrigued about the concept of cabinet solidarity. Once the cabinet makes a decision, all members of the cabinet are expected to adhere to it and to publicly support it. How is this achieved if some ministers are not sitting in the cabinet. Or does cabinet solidarity apply only to those in cabinet. Seems self evident, but I do not know that it is that simple.

Not all Ministers were part of Burnham's cabinet.  I can't say who was not, but I remember my brother telling me this.

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

I will tell you why. It is called PNc incompetence as usual.

SHUT UP YOU MORON!

Until you apologize fo YOUR SUPPORT OF THE THE THIEVES WHO STOLE FROM THE POOE SUGAR WORKERS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK!h

You ARE a MORON and a THIEF so I am still better than you. Plus Shaitaan refer to you as a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mars:
Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

Let me know when they start talking sense.

 

It's stupidity if they are not all part of the Cabinet.

Not all of the ministers are ever in the cabinet. It's always been like that knucklehead. Look, if you fools are going to criticize at least know what the hell you're talking about. 

Mars, since 1992, which ministers were not in the cabinet. Also, during the burnham years, which ministers were not part of the cabinet. I am aware that some countries have an inner cabinet, but all ministers are deemed to be cabinet members, as far as I can remember. Where, other than Guyana does this happen?I am more intrigued about the concept of cabinet solidarity. Once the cabinet makes a decision, all members of the cabinet are expected to adhere to it and to publicly support it. How is this achieved if some ministers are not sitting in the cabinet. Or does cabinet solidarity apply only to those in cabinet. Seems self evident, but I do not know that it is that simple.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...f_the_United_Kingdom

 

The Cabinet of the United Kingdom is the collective decision-making body of Her Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom, composed of the Prime Minister and some 21 Cabinet ministers, the most senior of the government ministers.

Mars
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Reflect on CBJ team of 1992. They were lost as well. The PPP became the PNC of 2015.

Thanks, Siggy. Apart from Cheddi Jagan, no member of his Cabinet had ministerial experience in 1992.

Janet was a minister before, correct?  Was she a minister in the 1992 cabinet?

No, sir. In 1992 Janet Jagan was First Lady of Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Reflect on CBJ team of 1992. They were lost as well. The PPP became the PNC of 2015.

Thanks, Siggy. Apart from Cheddi Jagan, no member of his Cabinet had ministerial experience in 1992.

Janet was a minister before, correct?  Was she a minister in the 1992 cabinet?

No, sir. In 1992 Janet Jagan was First Lady of Guyana.

Was she a minister in the 50s/60s?

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Reflect on CBJ team of 1992. They were lost as well. The PPP became the PNC of 2015.

Thanks, Siggy. Apart from Cheddi Jagan, no member of his Cabinet had ministerial experience in 1992.

Janet was a minister before, correct?  Was she a minister in the 1992 cabinet?

No, sir. In 1992 Janet Jagan was First Lady of Guyana.

Was she a minister in the 50s/60s?

Yes, I believe Minister Of Education

Nehru

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