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Originally Posted by Mara:
Originally Posted by baseman:

This is wishful thinking, the PPP is strong.  The Diaspora will always have their views, but politics is local and they see it differently.

The  PPP is only  strong   by  default. As  long  as  the  PNC exist  in  any  permutation,  and  Indians remain  the  largest  block, the  PPP  may continue  to  hang  on  to power by a  thread  bare   plurality of the   votes.  Ethnic insecurity and  the  fear factor is  the  morphine that  mask the  pain  a  terminally  ill  patient,  whose  internal  organs  are  overtaken  by  malignant  tumors,    (thievery,  nepotism and  wide  spread  corruption.) that has already  metastasize and  is  past  the  stage  of surgical  intervention.


Had  black  people  shown  the  wisdom  to  abandon  the  PNC ,  I  have absolutely  no doubt  that  the  PPP would  have  died  a  natural  death  a  long time  ago, or  at  least the  cancer  would  have  been  contained /  treatable.

Very true ! Ramoutar will be gone soon and newer, younger guys will take over but make no mistake Jagdeo will remain a major player. He is to the PPP now what Janet Jagan was - the power behind the throne.

FM
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

Listen carefully to the 'REASONING' of this wannabe 'agent of change.'

 

The AFC is well rid of your malignant ass

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

 BUt the US Embassy estimated in 2006 that 20% of Guyana’s GDP came from drug trafficking under the Jagdeo regime making Guyana a narco state.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

Listen carefully to the 'REASONING' of this wannabe 'agent of change.'

 

The AFC is well rid of your malignant ass

Jagdeo was an "agent of change" of sorts, he gave some good kick ass.  Prior to that, Indians just rolled up in a corner every time your PNC tornados bullies rolled thru.

 

Hey, AFC, PPP, PNC who really matters.  And what makes you think I am out or in the AFC.

 

Unfortunately, the PNC still filled with malignant racist like you waiting to redeem old glory and as such, they should never be given the chance to rule over Guyana again.

 

The PPP has to rid itself of it's little "devils", but compared to the bigger "devils" in the PNC, I would take my chances with the PPP.  As for the AFC, it's an uphill and almost impossible task and much out of their control.  The Race voting of 2011 sealed this.  You can sugar coat it, it is what it is.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

 BUt the US Embassy estimated in 2006 that 20% of Guyana’s GDP came from drug trafficking under the Jagdeo regime making Guyana a narco state.

Yea, I agree too much drugs, but some of this was driven by US pressure in Columbia itself which pushed those guys to seek other routes.  A large uninhabited hinterland was prime.  People, including Govt officials were caught up in it for sure, but to say it was a PPP agenda is stretching it.

 

That same embassy also said there was no evidence of Govt involvement.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Prashad:

We need to start grooming a moderate young Jagan that is not linked to this mess and who can lead the party forward and not fight the battles of the past. 

 

We need to follow the example set by Elizabeth 1 when she took over a divided country and turned it around. 

How/where do you start that process, outside or inside the PPP.  And a young Jagan might not be the best.

 

I say a non-corrupt Jagdeo would serve Guyana better.  Jagan was too passive, big talk, lil stick, Guyana needs lil talk, big stick.

That non-corrupt Jagdeo would have to be an intellectual and free of egoism and be willing to debate his opponents and not practice ideological racism.

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

Listen carefully to the 'REASONING' of this wannabe 'agent of change.'

 

The AFC is well rid of your malignant ass

Jagdeo was an "agent of change" of sorts, he gave some good kick ass.  Prior to that, Indians just rolled up in a corner every time your PNC tornados bullies rolled thru.

 

Hey, AFC, PPP, PNC who really matters.  And what makes you think I am out or in the AFC.

 

Unfortunately, the PNC still filled with malignant racist like you waiting to redeem old glory and as such, they should never be given the chance to rule over Guyana again.

 

The PPP has to rid itself of it's little "devils", but compared to the bigger "devils" in the PNC, I would take my chances with the PPP.  As for the AFC, it's an uphill and almost impossible task and much out of their control.  The Race voting of 2011 sealed this.  You can sugar coat it, it is what it is.

First, the wannabe "agent of change" refers to YOU . . . pay ATTENTION!

 

and . . . IF the AFC endeavors to clasp the likes of you to their bosom, the road to THEIR perdition will be very short.

 

Otherwise, feel free to take up my advice re self-education; learning to construct and respond to argument like a grown-up will go a long way in facilitating your evolution from the ranks of the RABID & STUPID!!

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

Listen carefully to the 'REASONING' of this wannabe 'agent of change.'

 

The AFC is well rid of your malignant ass

Jagdeo was an "agent of change" of sorts, he gave some good kick ass.  Prior to that, Indians just rolled up in a corner every time your PNC tornados bullies rolled thru.

 

Hey, AFC, PPP, PNC who really matters.  And what makes you think I am out or in the AFC.

 

Unfortunately, the PNC still filled with malignant racist like you waiting to redeem old glory and as such, they should never be given the chance to rule over Guyana again.

 

The PPP has to rid itself of it's little "devils", but compared to the bigger "devils" in the PNC, I would take my chances with the PPP.  As for the AFC, it's an uphill and almost impossible task and much out of their control.  The Race voting of 2011 sealed this.  You can sugar coat it, it is what it is.

First, the wannabe "agent of change" refers to YOU . . . pay ATTENTION!

 

and . . . IF the AFC endeavors to clasp the likes of you to their bosom, the road to THEIR perdition will be very short.

 

Otherwise, feel free to take up my advice at self-education; learning to construct and respond to argument like a grown-up will go a long way in facilitating your evolution from the ranks of the RABID & STUPID!!

And where have you ever constructed any argument to any position?  You limit yourself to sublime racists comments, irrelevant jabs and dodgy throw-backs.  You are as irrelevant as your comments.

 

And, I don't need your advise, no thank you.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

Actually, apart from the corruption, Guyana need a kick-ass guy like Jagdeo for a while.

Listen carefully to the 'REASONING' of this wannabe 'agent of change.'

 

The AFC is well rid of your malignant ass

Jagdeo was an "agent of change" of sorts, he gave some good kick ass.  Prior to that, Indians just rolled up in a corner every time your PNC tornados bullies rolled thru.

 

Hey, AFC, PPP, PNC who really matters.  And what makes you think I am out or in the AFC.

 

Unfortunately, the PNC still filled with malignant racist like you waiting to redeem old glory and as such, they should never be given the chance to rule over Guyana again.

 

The PPP has to rid itself of it's little "devils", but compared to the bigger "devils" in the PNC, I would take my chances with the PPP.  As for the AFC, it's an uphill and almost impossible task and much out of their control.  The Race voting of 2011 sealed this.  You can sugar coat it, it is what it is.

First, the wannabe "agent of change" refers to YOU . . . pay ATTENTION!

 

and . . . IF the AFC endeavors to clasp the likes of you to their bosom, the road to THEIR perdition will be very short.

 

Otherwise, feel free to take up my advice at self-education; learning to construct and respond to argument like a grown-up will go a long way in facilitating your evolution from the ranks of the RABID & STUPID!!

And where have you ever constructed any argument to any position?  You limit yourself to sublime racists comments, irrelevant jabs and dodgy throw-backs.  You are as irrelevant as your comments.

 

And, I don't need your advise, no thank you.

I suspect that you DID look up "non sequitur" and "straw man" . . . hence your despair

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
First, the wannabe "agent of change" refers to YOU . . . pay ATTENTION!

 

and . . . IF the AFC endeavors to clasp the likes of you to their bosom, the road to THEIR perdition will be very short.

 

Otherwise, feel free to take up my advice at self-education; learning to construct and respond to argument like a grown-up will go a long way in facilitating your evolution from the ranks of the RABID & STUPID!!

And where have you ever constructed any argument to any position?  You limit yourself to sublime racists comments, irrelevant jabs and dodgy throw-backs.  You are as irrelevant as your comments.

 

And, I don't need your advise, no thank you.

I suspect that you DID look up "non sequitur" and "straw man" . . . hence your despair

No need to, I have you as my comedy side-kick to do such tasks.  You seem a natural talent, especially with you benign one-liners.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Something to ponder about. As soon as the NEW SHERIFF came to Town THE JACKASS FIP MOTILALL Contract was CANCELLED.

Nehru, I gotta ups you here. Fip Motilall is not a jackass. Know what his contract and his involvement were first and what he encountered, before you characterize him one way or the other. Samjeh?

Kari
Originally Posted by Mara:

From the Diaspora… PRESIDENT DONALD RAMOTAR IS PRESIDING OVER THE DEATH OF THE PPP

JULY 8, 2012 | 

By Ralph Seeram

 

Some years ago on a visit to Guyana, I had the misfortune of experiencing a relative dying. It was not pleasant, but it was an experience that remains indelibly in memory. He had an enlarged heart and was told he can die any day. The night after he received the news, he had a transformation, a total 180 degrees change in personality. The spirit of death had visited him. You would have to see this to believe what I about to say. The spirit of death was transforming his personality.
One could tell there was an internal battle going on between his conscious self and the shadows of death, his illogical utterances interspaced with some logical conversation, his unbelievable display of strength, the constant back and forth conversation between himself and the spirit of death, all totally out of character with the person I knew.
A few hours later all was quiet; the spiritual battle was finished; death had won. And as he lay on his death bed in the final throes of life he began to”travel”. The physical battle began. Death starts at the sole of your feet and works its way up. His feet were cold then lifeless, same for his legs and waist. The Pastor said even though he appeared unconscious he could still hear.
The Minister whispered something in his ears and we saw a trembling reaction from his hands and head. He was conscious. It must be a terrible thing to know you are dying and incapable of doing anything about it. Finally the numbness reached his heart and his journey was over. His journey however, did not happen overnight, the neglect to his health started years before.
Like my relative, the PPP as a political party has been dying for years. However the resignation of the highly respected former Speaker of the House and PPP stalwart, Ralph Ramkarran, has put the PPP in death throes, the likes of which the PPP will not be able to recover from unless President Donald Ramotar can show some fortitude, display strong leadership and take drastic measures to resuscitate the PPP.
It doesn’t matter if Ralph Ramkarran returns to the PPP fold that is irrelevant at this stage. His outspoken article about corruption within the Government, and his subsequent resignation have hastened the death of the party. Death is working its way to the heart of the PPP.
President Ramotar has the power to stop it. The question – is he going to take any action or will he let the patient die?
I am sure some may ask about the symptoms which are showing the PPP is in demise. In 1992 the PPP received 162,000 votes from roughly 300,000 vote cast.  Moving on to the 1997 elections, with a voter turnout of nearly 400,000 the PPP got 220,000 a gain of 58,000 votes but the PNC also picked up 33,000 new votes for a total of 161,000 votes.
Of note, the cast votes had increased by 100,000 new voters in 1997. Moving on to the 2001 elections the PPP dropped to 210,000 votes a loss of approximately 10,000 supporters while the PNC gained 4,000 vote for a tally of 165,00 votes. Then came Bharrat Jagdeo elections in 2006 where the PPP made its biggest gains in Parliamentary seats, but this was also deceiving because the PPP dropped to 182,000 votes, a loss of 28,000 votes.
It gained more seats because the PNC did worse garnering only 114,000 votes.  This steady decline made me predict long before the elections last year that the PPP could lose the elections. No one at that time even conceived such a thought. When I brought my views to former President Bharrat Jagdeo on a fundraising trip to Orlando last year, he said that they β€œran the numbers” and will win the elections.
The 2011 elections saw the PPP slumped to 166,000 votes a loss of 16,000 votes despite an increase in voter turnout of 7,000. In 2011 the PNC under the banner of APNU pulled in a gain of 25,000 votes for a total of 139,000 votes… Just 27,000 votes separated the two major parties.
The PPP has been in steady decline for the past three elections, the PNC has shown increase.
The point I want to show here is that the PPP supporters are disenchanted, frustrated with the constant revelation of corruption, and are staying away from the polls. There are some in the PPP hierarchy who are aware of this while some are in denial.
One senior executive of the PPP told me flatly that Bharrat Jagdeo divided and destroyed the PPP and there may be a lot of truth to that. The PPP Government must realize that you can build the best roads, airport, hydropower or whatever grandiose plans you may implement.
Every Guyanese can own a car and a house. At the end of the day no one, even PPP supporters, likes people to steal his hard earned money, be it one’s personal money or one’s tax dollars. Nobody likes a thief.
Instead of confronting the truth the thieving elements in the PPP viciously attacked this decent man for telling the truth. Problem is what Ralph Ramkarran said was nothing new or revealing to the Guyanese public.Every β€œrum shop drinker” knows who the crooks are; who is getting rich overnight.
There is talk of a snap elections. Take it from me; the PPP will not dare call a snap elections. It will lose the Presidency if it does. The resignation of Ramkarran made sure of that.
So where does the President go from here? Begging Ralph Ramkarran to come back will not solve the PPP problem, the damage has been done. The question is what life saving measures the President can make to resuscitate the PPP.
The President has to demonstrate that he can make bold decisions regardless of what others think. The end must justify the means. A firefighter in Orlando will cut a car in seconds to save the life of the driver. The destruction of the car is his least concern. The surgeon will amputate both legs of that driver in the hospital to save his life, the legs are unimportant at that point. So what decisions will President make to save the PPP?
Ralph Seeram can be reached at email: ralph365@hotmail.com

 

"...So what decisions will President make to save the PPP?"

 

and  the  simple  answer is none.  There  is  absolutely nothing  in  Ramotar's  body  politics to  suggest  that  he possess the  wisdom  and  courage  to do what  it  takes  to change  tack and  deviate  from  the  Blue  Print bequeathed to  him  by   Bharrat Jagdeo and  his  'Thiefing  Parang'.  The  corrupt  cabal  at  Freedom  House  bought, owned  and  control  Donald  Ramotar.  It  is  through  their scheming and  connivance,  he   ascended  the  Presidency,  so  he  is  totally  emasculated from  taking  any  decisive  action  against   these corrupt,   bald  face carpet  baggers  and feather  bedders  he  is surrounded  by.

 

At  the  end of  the day,  the  Chinese Billions and  Re- Migrants' Million  would  do nothing  to  resuscitate a  terminally  ill  PPP, as  long  as   the thiefing  and  corruption  remain  unabated.      

Me padna Mara was hoping but after 3 years, all his hope in the ditch.

 

How is Mara feeling these day.  I pray for him.  All the best dear MARA.

FM

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