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Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?

By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

 

Ethnic division in Guyana remains a neglected issue; a topic not deeply discussed for fear of brewing toxic tensions. In recent years, attempts by the government to address this cancer have been ineffective.


But the new administration, A Partnership for National Unity and Alliance For Change (APNU+AFC),  is optimistic that with its game changing plans, not only can national unity be achieved in its first term, but to a noteworthy degree at that.


But can the new administration really achieve this within five years? How much of a priority is national unity to the party and is the attainment of this hinged on the level or extent to which it’s economic goals are achieved?


President David Granger says that first and foremost, his party is one which is grounded on the ideals of national cohesion.


“The APNU+AFC believes that national unity is an issue that has been neglected for too long. It needs special attention. Our coalition includes six different parties and we believe strongly in tackling this issue frontally, hence the creation of the Ministry of Social Cohesion which is headed by Ms. Amna All,” Granger said.

 

President David Granger and Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo

President David Granger and Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo

 

“Without a doubt there have been ethnic problems in the country and this entity will be working towards achieving a higher level of unity. We need someone specifically dedicated to that. We want to foster greater cohesion in our party as well, so the Minister has a great responsibility, countrywide and within the coalition.”


He believes that national unity can be attained to some degree in his first term.


The Minister of Social Cohesion told Kaieteur News yesterday that she agrees implicitly with the President. She acknowledged that while Guyana is a racially divided country, this is usually predominant during the election season.


“But we believe that we can bridge that gap significantly in our first term. As Minister for that area, there are a number of things which I plan to do to foster a sense of national unity. And to be quite frank with you, I think that the presence of our party , its composition and our display of maturity have all shown that we aren’t just here to simply talk about addressing national unity but we are an example of it. So from a leadership standpoint we have the make up to foster the right environment for national unity. Now there are a number of things I plan to do to get the ball rolling,” Ally said.


The Minister said that she has plans to develop a programme for achieving national unity which will involve establishing a subcommittee which will involve certain stakeholders.


“We are also looking at hosting a forum with faith based organizations. We believe that getting the religious leaders involved in the unity programme will also help the healing process. This will be done within the first 100 days of the APNU+AFC being in government.”

 

Minister of Social Cohesion, Amna Ally     Political activist, Dr. David Hinds

Minister of Social          Political activist,

Cohesion, Amna Ally     Dr. David Hinds

 

Ally expressed much confidence that her programmes in the pipeline will certainly help to achieve national unity.


But political activist, Dr. David Hinds, does not believe that the APNU+AFC government can achieve national unity in its first term. Hinds in an interview with Kaieteur News opined that above all things, national unity is a process that takes time; it involves the bringing together of people in their day to day lives in both formal and informal ways.


He noted however that he does believe that the APNU+AFC has a wonderful opportunity to govern as a government of national unity. He said that the last time Guyana was this close to such a government was in 1953 and said that the APNU+AFC government is a good example of what a government of national unity should look like— it includes six parties representing varying ideological systems and ethnic groups.


The University professor opined that national unity however, cannot be achieved if the new administration does not make a real and concerted effort to reach out to its opposition—The People’s Progressive Party (PPP). He reminded that this party represents a large portion of the Guyanese populace.


He said that the APNU+AFC government must demonstrate that it can govern without bias and in so doing, make every effort to facilitate a frank discussion in the society on the question of race and ethnicity.


Hinds said that the new government should not be directly involved in this discussion, but should create the space so that ethnic organizations like the Indian Arrival Committee, the Amerindian Peoples Association, the Cuffy 250 Movement and the African Cultural and Development Association can spearhead the conversation on the ethnic wounds in the society and how these can be healed.


“So in short, the APNU+AFC government needs to facilitate an open discussion and govern fairly. It must also reach out to the PPP. But if the PPP does not cooperate then it will make the job of achieving many of their goals including national consensus, very difficult,” he said.


Hinds also contended that the relationship between the achievement of national consensus and the economic goals of the new administration should not be underestimated.


He said that there are several factors which have held the nation back from achieving varying levels of economic development. He said that the primary factor has been the lack of national cohesion and national purpose. Hinds argued that the APNU+AFC’s economic plans can be largely achieved once national consensus is also seen as equally important.


He said that the effects of the failure to do this have been well documented under the previous administration and cited the ailing sugar industry as a good example.


“The PPP is gearing up to use the sugar as part of its non-cooperation… meanwhile; there is the debate over what to do with sugar. The economy is ethnically grounded and we have to ensure that there is ethnic consensus if the policies of the new government are to be successful,” Dr. Hinds said.


“The challenge will be if the PPP is willing to cooperate or not with the new administration in achieving this. If they don’t cooperate, the government would have to go straight to the people. Khemraj Ramjattan, Minister of Public Security and Prime Minister, Moses Nagamootoo, have the potential to speak to the sugar workers but in the end the PPP is pivotal to working out a sensible sugar policy.”


Asked whether the PPP would be willing to join with the new government in achieving this necessary national goal, the Party’s General Secretary, Clement Rohee said, “I can’t say.”


He added, “We don’t notice any reaching out to us in this regard from the APNU+AFC.  We have just been seeing a lot of witch hunting, victimization and harassment of our supporters and senseless attacks. It has to stop. They are just dismissing people for no reason at all.”


Rohee, after expressing those sentiments, was not keen on considering the possibility of the party working with the new administration, even in the near or distant future.

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Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Ethnic division in Guyana remains a neglected issue; a topic not deeply discussed for fear of brewing toxic tensions. In recent years, attempts by the government to address this cancer have been ineffective.


But the new administration, A Partnership for National Unity and Alliance For Change (APNU+AFC),  is optimistic that with its game changing plans, not only can national unity be achieved in its first term, but to a noteworthy degree at that.

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity? == The two are simply dreaming in lala land.     

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Ethnic division in Guyana remains a neglected issue; a topic not deeply discussed for fear of brewing toxic tensions. In recent years, attempts by the government to address this cancer have been ineffective.


But the new administration, A Partnership for National Unity and Alliance For Change (APNU+AFC),  is optimistic that with its game changing plans, not only can national unity be achieved in its first term, but to a noteworthy degree at that.

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity? == The two are simply dreaming in lala land.     

your whole live depend on this not happening  

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Asked whether the PPP would be willing to join with the new government in achieving this necessary national goal, the Party’s General Secretary, Clement Rohee said, “I can’t say.”


He added, “We don’t notice any reaching out to us in this regard from the APNU+AFC.  We have just been seeing a lot of witch hunting, victimization and harassment of our supporters and senseless attacks. It has to stop. They are just dismissing people for no reason at all.”

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity? == The two are simply dreaming in lala land.     

Don't let them interrupt your wet diaper dreams.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Asked whether the PPP would be willing to join with the new government in achieving this necessary national goal, the Party’s General Secretary, Clement Rohee said, “I can’t say.”


He added, “We don’t notice any reaching out to us in this regard from the APNU+AFC.  We have just been seeing a lot of witch hunting, victimization and harassment of our supporters and senseless attacks. It has to stop. They are just dismissing people for no reason at all.”

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

your ppp supporters is a bunch of thieves 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
The University professor opined that national unity however, cannot be achieved if the new administration does not make a real and concerted effort to reach out to its opposition — The People’s Progressive Party (PPP). He reminded that this party represents a large portion of the Guyanese populace.


He said that the APNU+AFC government must demonstrate that it can govern without bias and in so doing, make every effort to facilitate a frank discussion in the society on the question of race and ethnicity.

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source
FM

The APNU+AFC believes that national unity is an issue that has been neglected for too long. It needs special attention. Our coalition includes six different parties and we believe strongly in tackling this issue frontally, hence the creation of the Ministry of Social Cohesion which is headed by Ms. Amna All,” Granger said.

 

President David Granger and Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo

President David Granger and Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo

 

Without a doubt there have been ethnic problems in the country and this entity will be working towards achieving a higher level of unity. We need someone specifically dedicated to that. We want to foster greater cohesion in our party as well, so the Minister has a great responsibility, countrywide and within the coalition.”

He believes that national unity can be attained to some degree in his first term.

Mitwah

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

 He said that the APNU+AFC government must demonstrate that it can govern without bias and in so doing, make every effort to facilitate a frank discussion in the society on the question of race and ethnicity.

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Which Amna Ally seems ready to do, and we finally are told what her ministry is all about.

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
He said that the last time Guyana was this close to such a government was in 1953 and said that the APNU+AFC government is a good example of what a government of national unity should look like — it includes six parties representing varying ideological systems and ethnic groups.

 

Political activist, Dr. David Hinds

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?

By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Incorrect statement.

 

In 1953, the PPP won 18 seats with two seats for the NDP and four seats for independent groups.

 

The results in 2015 showed that the PNC received about 50.6% while the PPP/C received about 49.3%

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
He said that the last time Guyana was this close to such a government was in 1953 and said that the APNU+AFC government is a good example of what a government of national unity should look like — it includes six parties representing varying ideological systems and ethnic groups.

 

Political activist, Dr. David Hinds

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?

By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Incorrect statement.

 

In 1953, the PPP won 18 seats with two seats for the NDP and four seats for independent groups.

 

The results in 2015 showed that the PNC received about 50.6% while the PPP/C received about 49.3%

Irrelevant!

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
He said that the last time Guyana was this close to such a government was in 1953 and said that the APNU+AFC government is a good example of what a government of national unity should look like — it includes six parties representing varying ideological systems and ethnic groups.

 

Political activist, Dr. David Hinds

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?

By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Incorrect statement.

 

In 1953, the PPP won 18 seats with two seats for the NDP and four seats for independent groups.

 

The results in 2015 showed that the PNC received about 50.6% while the PPP/C received about 49.3%

Irrelevant!

As usual, your statements are always irrelevant.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
He said that the last time Guyana was this close to such a government was in 1953 and said that the APNU+AFC government is a good example of what a government of national unity should look like — it includes six parties representing varying ideological systems and ethnic groups.

 

Political activist, Dr. David Hinds

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?

By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Source

Incorrect statement.

 

In 1953, the PPP won 18 seats with two seats for the NDP and four seats for independent groups.

 

The results in 2015 showed that the PNC received about 50.6% while the PPP/C received about 49.3%

Irrelevant!

As usual, your statements are always irrelevant.

Perhaps, perhaps not!

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?

Doan worry Rev, the other 89% racist East Indians will have time to reflect on what the Ruler Gods they looked up to have done with their country and hopefully they awake from their slumber and come together for the good of all.

cain

Following are the results of the Guyana Elections of 15 December 1980.

 

EnlargeEnlarge

 

 

Political GroupCodeVotes% votesSeats
People’s National CongressPNC312,98877.66%41
People’s Progressive Party PPP78,41419.46%10
The United ForceTUF11,6122.88%2
Total Valid Votes 403,014100%53

 

dotVOTER TURNOUT

 

Total Valid Votes403,014
Invalid Votes3,251
Total Votes Cast406,265
Registered Voters493,550
Voter Turnout82.31%

 

BACKGROUND

Elections were held for all the members of Parliament. General elections had previously taken place in July 1973, the sitting of the National Assembly having been extended twice (in 1978 and 1979) so as to permit the Constituent Assembly to complete the preparation of a new Constitution. The new Constitution prepared by the Constituent Assembly was promulgated on 6 October 1980* and, on 25 October, elections were announced for December.

 

In June 1980, the leader of one of the opposition political parties, the Working People's Alliance (WPA), was assassinated and internal opposition to the People's National Congress (PNC) Government increased. Most opposition groups, with the notable exception of the leftist People's Progressive Party (PPP), called for a boycott of the elections. Polling day procedure was observed by an international team.

 

The PNC, led by President of the Republic Forbes Burnham (formerly Prime Minister), won four-fifths of the Assembly seats.

 

On 30 January 1981, the newly-elected Parliament held its first sitting.

 

 

Source -- Caribbean Elections.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Perhaps,Perhaps not Granger-Nagamootoo is heading on the same path as Forbes Burnham in the 1980 elections.

One of the rules of GNI - Guyana News and Information - is that individuals do not change, alter or make misrepresentations in the actual text posted by an individual.

 

Of note -- I did not post the words Perhaps not in my text.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Perhaps,Perhaps not Granger-Nagamootoo is heading on the same path as Forbes Burnham in the 1980 elections.

One of the rules of GNI - Guyana News and Information - is that individuals do not change, alter or make misrepresentations in the actual text posted by an individual.

 

Of note -- I did not post the words Perhaps not in my text.

Listen chap lighten up,you can alert Ray.

Django

After stealing the Government, do you really expect Indians to socialize with blacks?  Think again.  There is an imbalance in the selection of the members of parliament and cabinet.  How can you think of achieving national unity with a blatant discrimination against Indians. 

R

I am not sure any pluralistic society has ever achieved true ethnic unity - if that implies 100% buy in. Probably the best we can hope for is a high degree of tolerance – maybe that is what is considered “unity”. But it would be difficult to achieve this without a balance in state institutions, private institutions and all positions of power across society to reflect the make up of that particular country. In this regard the PNC and PPP failed. It is now up to the APNU to achieve this “unity”. 

 

In the USA where people mostly see themselves as Americans first and with a Black president, there is still deep racism against blacks and a disproportional number of Blacks and Latinos are targeted and arrested for the most frivolous of reasons - so even here there is no true unity among the races.

 

In Trinidad where many would like to say a similar race issue to Guyana does not exist, go and experience the resentment Blacks and Indians have towards each other – subtle as it may be. 

 

Dealing with the Guyana situation, not many Blacks, Indos and First Nations people know about the indigenous cultures of each other.

 

To help bridge the divide and increase the understanding and tolerance of each other in Guyana it must start in the schools where all kids are educated about Afro, Chinese, First Nations, Indo and Portuguese cultures – not from an Anglo perspective but from the indigenous ethnic perspective.  It is time for history from a real perspective with no resentment to any particular race or ethnicity but instead to foster a deeper appreciation of each other.

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Asked whether the PPP would be willing to join with the new government in achieving this necessary national goal, the Party’s General Secretary, Clement Rohee said, “I can’t say.”


He added, “We don’t notice any reaching out to us in this regard from the APNU+AFC.  We have just been seeing a lot of witch hunting, victimization and harassment of our supporters and senseless attacks. It has to stop. They are just dismissing people for no reason at all.”

 

Can the Granger-Nagamootoo combination achieve national unity?, By Kiana Wilburg, June 8, 2015 | By | Filed Under News, Sourceeyb

your ppp supporters is a bunch of thieves 

PPP supporters comprise over 49 percent of the population of Guyana. Seriously, are you saying that they are all thieves? Think about what you are writing before you type.

 

Z

So what is Amna Ally's job again?

 

WE need a few more ministers to be in charge of cleaning out the garbage and setting up a systems approach.

 

Do that first and then let's see how much social cohesion it brings in.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?e 

Please explain how they are reaching out? I know that they have written the PPP about the possibility of a national government. Is this the same as national unity? I was appalled at the lack of much diversity at the inauguration. The absence of East Indians is indicative of the problem. We fool ourselves that the fact that the government comprises six political parties is a good start. It is not. we have to fundamentally change the way that things are done in this country and unfortunately, the impetus will not come from political parties. They are more concerned about power, control, narrative. Additionally, I think that Amna ally is not the person to head this up. She does not have the intellectual or emotional acumen to be successful in this. Furthermore, the narrowness of the victory means that there is a considerable section of the population suspicious of any overtures by the government in this area. the impetus has to come from outside of the government. However,  the government needs to govern fairly, in the interest of all groups and all groups must see believe this

Z
Originally Posted by politikalamity:

I am not sure any pluralistic society has ever achieved true ethnic unity - if that implies 100% buy in. Probably the best we can hope for is a high degree of tolerance – maybe that is what is considered “unity”. But it would be difficult to achieve this without a balance in state institutions, private institutions and all positions of power across society to reflect the make up of that particular country. In this regard the PNC and PPP failed. It is now up to the APNU to achieve this “unity”. 

 

In the USA where people mostly see themselves as Americans first and with a Black president, there is still deep racism against blacks and a disproportional number of Blacks and Latinos are targeted and arrested for the most frivolous of reasons - so even here there is no true unity among the races.

 

In Trinidad where many would like to say a similar race issue to Guyana does not exist, go and experience the resentment Blacks and Indians have towards each other – subtle as it may be. 

 

Dealing with the Guyana situation, not many Blacks, Indos and First Nations people know about the indigenous cultures of each other.

 

To help bridge the divide and increase the understanding and tolerance of each other in Guyana it must start in the schools where all kids are educated about Afro, Chinese, First Nations, Indo and Portuguese cultures – not from an Anglo perspective but from the indigenous ethnic perspective.  It is time for history from a real perspective with no resentment to any particular race or ethnicity but instead to foster a deeper appreciation of each other.

Have a visit to schools and then you will know if your statement about teaching about the different cultures from an ethnic perspective is correct.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?e 

Please explain how they are reaching out? I know that they have written the PPP about the possibility of a national government. Is this the same as national unity? I was appalled at the lack of much diversity at the inauguration. The absence of East Indians is indicative of the problem. We fool ourselves that the fact that the government comprises six political parties is a good start. It is not. we have to fundamentally change the way that things are done in this country and unfortunately, the impetus will not come from political parties. They are more concerned about power, control, narrative. Additionally, I think that Amna ally is not the person to head this up. She does not have the intellectual or emotional acumen to be successful in this. Furthermore, the narrowness of the victory means that there is a considerable section of the population suspicious of any overtures by the government in this area. the impetus has to come from outside of the government. However,  the government needs to govern fairly, in the interest of all groups and all groups must see believe this

i will hold out hope that these were your sentiments (in spades!) when the winna-take-all minority PPP Gov't was seated in 2011

 

hmmmmm . . .?

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?

Correct, but in deeds and not words.  Granger has to invite the 2nd tier leadership in the PPP and PNC to participate in nation building.  The current batch of leader should be allowed to attrition away. How this is to be accomplished?

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?e 

Please explain how they are reaching out? I know that they have written the PPP about the possibility of a national government. Is this the same as national unity? I was appalled at the lack of much diversity at the inauguration. The absence of East Indians is indicative of the problem. We fool ourselves that the fact that the government comprises six political parties is a good start. It is not. we have to fundamentally change the way that things are done in this country and unfortunately, the impetus will not come from political parties. They are more concerned about power, control, narrative. Additionally, I think that Amna ally is not the person to head this up. She does not have the intellectual or emotional acumen to be successful in this. Furthermore, the narrowness of the victory means that there is a considerable section of the population suspicious of any overtures by the government in this area. the impetus has to come from outside of the government. However,  the government needs to govern fairly, in the interest of all groups and all groups must see believe this

Well, I go easy here.  This was for the most part a PNC victory thus the turn out.  Granger needs to demonstrate this in more than a PNC victory.

 

However, there is a lot of bad blood going back to 1992.  The attitude of Blacks and the PNC towards the PPP and Indians in general still weighs heavily.  It is clear, from this victory, the Black masses don't view Indians as equal citizens.  They made it clear, all will be fine as long as they rule, be the masters.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?e 

Please explain how they are reaching out? I know that they have written the PPP about the possibility of a national government. Is this the same as national unity? I was appalled at the lack of much diversity at the inauguration. The absence of East Indians is indicative of the problem. We fool ourselves that the fact that the government comprises six political parties is a good start. It is not. we have to fundamentally change the way that things are done in this country and unfortunately, the impetus will not come from political parties. They are more concerned about power, control, narrative. Additionally, I think that Amna ally is not the person to head this up. She does not have the intellectual or emotional acumen to be successful in this. Furthermore, the narrowness of the victory means that there is a considerable section of the population suspicious of any overtures by the government in this area. the impetus has to come from outside of the government. However,  the government needs to govern fairly, in the interest of all groups and all groups must see believe this

Well, I go easy here.  This was for the most part a PNC victory thus the turn out.  Granger needs to demonstrate this in more than a PNC victory.

 

However, there is a lot of bad blood going back to 1992.  The attitude of Blacks and the PNC towards the PPP and Indians in general still weighs heavily.  It is clear, from this victory, the Black masses don't view Indians as equal citizens.  They made it clear, all will be fine as long as they rule, be the masters.

Base...we keep going around in circles with this issue,does Indians

view Black as equal citizen???the same record keep spinning

Blacks don't like Indians and vice versa,ow bud change vinl,in this

modern era Guyanese need to look beyond race or they will fail,

fifty+ years have passed and they are in same quagmire,somebody

have to make the move to unite people.

 

 

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Rev:

Lemme get this straight! The PNC/AFC received only 11% of the East Indian votes, while getting 96% of the black votes and now they are hoping to bring national unity to Guyana ? The PNC/AFC needs to stop daydreaming.

 

Rev

 

 

They have start reaching out and increase that 11% while securing the 96%. Don't you agree?e 

Please explain how they are reaching out? I know that they have written the PPP about the possibility of a national government. Is this the same as national unity? I was appalled at the lack of much diversity at the inauguration. The absence of East Indians is indicative of the problem. We fool ourselves that the fact that the government comprises six political parties is a good start. It is not. we have to fundamentally change the way that things are done in this country and unfortunately, the impetus will not come from political parties. They are more concerned about power, control, narrative. Additionally, I think that Amna ally is not the person to head this up. She does not have the intellectual or emotional acumen to be successful in this. Furthermore, the narrowness of the victory means that there is a considerable section of the population suspicious of any overtures by the government in this area. the impetus has to come from outside of the government. However,  the government needs to govern fairly, in the interest of all groups and all groups must see believe this

i will hold out hope that these were your sentiments (in spades!) when the winna-take-all minority PPP Gov't was seated in 2011

 

hmmmmm . . .?

Yes, these were my sentiments even before the 2011 elections. We have to go beyond win/lose at a political level, change the structure of our thinking regarding inclusiveness and respect for each group, that the process is as important as the product. much more.

Z
Originally Posted by politikalamity:

where all kids are educated about Afro, Chinese, First Nations, Indo and Portuguese cultures – not from an Anglo perspective but from the indigenous ethnic perspective.

1.   Every group is very transformed from what they were in their ancestral lands.  I see no point in pretending that teaching some notional idea of India and Africa is relevant to Guyana.

 

2.  When it comes to Africans, we represent a blending of every group existing between Angola and Senegal, and a very high % even have non African ancestry.  There is no construct in Africa that is equivalent to Afro Guyanese and other Trans Atlantic blacks.

 

3.  The focus ought to be on teaching Guyanese history in terms of explaining why Guyanese are the way that they are.  Not pretending that some village in the Congo Basin or north India is relevant.  After more than 5 generations in Guyana the connect to the ancestral lands are less relevant than some people think.

 

4.  Guyanese need to develop the same pride in who they are as a people as Jamaicans, Trinidadians,  and people from the DR have. I don't know to what extent we have an all encompassing sense of being Guyanese that pulls us all together.

FM

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