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By JOSEPH CRESPINO in today's NY Times Op-Ed

Recent polls show something that has caught even the most optimistic liberals by surprise: Hillary Clinton is tiedwith Donald J. Trump in Georgia, catching up with him in South Carolina and generally showing strength in traditionally Republican parts of the South. It seems like the Democratic dream come true — demographic changes are turning Southern states purple.

But this story has less to do with the future than the past, and both parties run a risk in misreading it. Mr. Trump’s racially charged hard-right campaign reveals a fault line in Republican politics that dates from the very beginning of G.O.P. ascendancy in the South.

The Republican’s Southern Strategy is one of the most familiar stories in modern American history: Beginning in the 1960s, the party courted white racist voters who fled the Democratic Party because of its support for civil rights.

But things were never quite so simple. Yes, racial reaction fed G.O.P. gains in the 1960s and ’70s. And yes, Barry Goldwater called it “hunting where the ducks are.”

What did that mean? Goldwater’s detractors understood it to mean that he was going after Dixiecrats, the Southern Democrats who had abandoned the party in 1948 over civil rights. Goldwater, however, maintained that he was going after college-educated white collar professionals who were building the modern Southern economy.

That was the vision he described in his speech at the Georgia Republican Convention in May 1964. G.O.P. success in the South, he argued, stemmed from “the growth in business, the increase in per capita income and the rising confidence of the South in its own ability to expand industrially and commercially.” Southern Republicanism, he said, was based on “truly progressive elements.”

Goldwater had a point. It was Southern businessmen who grew the party in the 1950s. Democrats, they said, were the party of corruption and cronyism. These Republicans even worked together with black Republicans, who since the 19th century had been the Southern G.O.P.’s most loyal constituency.

Yet there were never enough of these sorts of Republicans to put together electoral majorities in most Southern states. A notable exception was Virginia in 1969, where Linwood Holton, the father-in-law of the current Democratic vice-presidential candidate, Tim Kaine, put together a progressive Republican coalition to win the governorship. In almost every other case, however, the G.O.P. had to have the old Dixiecrats, too. And in May 1964, with Congress about to pass the most sweeping civil rights legislation since Reconstruction, thousands of white Southern Democrats were thinking the unthinkable and becoming Republicans.

The scene played out dramatically at the Georgia Republican convention where Goldwater spoke. He left for California immediately after his speech and thus missed the political decimation of Georgia’s Eisenhower Republicans. In a six-hour political rout, hard-line segregationists swept them out, along with longtime African-American leaders. “What has been done here is to read the Negroes out of the Republican Party in Georgia,” complained one high-ranking white official.

The new order was symbolized perfectly later that campaign season when South Carolina’s Democratic senator Strom Thurmond, the Dixiecrat presidential candidate in 1948, switched parties. Thus was established the political strategy in the South that Republican presidential candidates have followed ever since — melding an overtly conservative, socially moderate economic appeal aimed at the middle class with a politics of rage geared toward disaffected white voters.

Richard M. Nixon pulled it off artfully in his two successful campaigns, appearing mostly in Southern cities and suburbs and letting Thurmond work the Deep South circuit. Ronald Reagan folded in religious conservatives in the 1980s to replace the generation of Dixiecrats dying off, thus consolidating the powerful mix of cultural reaction and economic conservatism that is modern Republicanism.

Yet this year that mixture may not work. Mr. Trump’s extreme language and divisive policies are alienating moderate Republicans in places like the Atlanta exurbs — where Mrs. Clinton is running nearly even with Mr. Trump. And across the state, polls show a significantly low number of Republicans saying they’ll support their party’s candidate.

Mr. Trump’s campaign most closely resembles the presidential campaigns of George C. Wallace, the arch-segregationist Alabama governor. Indeed, Wallace’s legacy is telling. An economic progressive, he remained a Democrat his entire life. True, he galvanized white working-class disenchantment and pioneered a populist, anti-liberal rhetoric that Ronald Reagan and subsequent Republicans would use to devastating effect. Yet he never had much appeal among the new class of suburban whites; the two were like oil and water. So, too, it would seem, are Donald Trump and moderate Southern Republicans today.

Whether or not Republicans hold on to Georgia and South Carolina this year, the lessons they are likely to take away are predictable. Democrats will assume that these states, like Virginia and North Carolina, are part of a long-term liberal trend and push traditional liberal ideas harder in future elections. Republicans will most likely write off Mr. Trump as a one-time phenomenon and not do anything. In doing so, both parties will ignore lessons from the history of the Southern conservative majority.

What might be happening instead is something new in the South: true two-party politics, in which an urban liberal-moderate Democratic Party fights for votes in the increasingly multiethnic metropolitan South against an increasingly rural, nationalistic Republican Party. If that happens, it will transform not only the politics of the American South, but those of America itself.

Joseph Crespino is a professor of history at Emory and the author of “Strom Thurmond’s America.”

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Next election, not this one.  Obama lost big time in most of the Deep South, and in 4 years trends couldn't change.

Remember that Hillary is a seriously flawed candidate. Were she running against any one other than Trump. or maybe Cruz she would have been dead meat by now.

FM

Since 1976, Democrats have never won white voters. Jimmy Carter, a Southerner, came the closest in 1976, winning 48% of it.

Since then, Democrats have ranged from 34% (Walter Mondale in 1984) to 44% (Bill Clinton in 1996).

Obama, in his first election, won 43% of the white vote, the second-highest number for a Democrat since Carter. His 39% in 2012 puts him further down the list of Democrats in the last 10 elections, but only slightly below the average 40.6% share for Democrats through the years.

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I guess "Obama lost big time in most of the Deep South"

Kari

From us elections atlas .org

 

Election Day in the South told a newer and more surprising story: The nation’s first black president finished more strongly in the region than any other Democratic nominee in three decades, underscoring a fresh challenge for Republicans who rely on Southern whites as their base of national support.

Obama won Virginia and Florida and narrowly missed victory in North Carolina. But he also polled as well in Georgia as any Democrat since Jimmy Carter, grabbed 44 percent of the vote in deep-red South Carolina and just under that in Mississippi — despite doing no substantive campaigning in any of those states.

Much of the post-election analysis has focused on the demographic crisis facing Republicans among Hispanic voters, particularly in Texas. But the results across other parts of the South, where Latinos remain a single-digit minority, point to separate trends among blacks and whites that may also have big implications for the GOP’s future.

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After Regan, Clinton did not get an absolute majority in one of his elections (ok so Perot took some votes - but the facts are the facts). G W Bush got less than Al Gore. Obama won both his elections with a majority.

He certainly lost Big time in the south.

Kari
Kari posted:

From us elections atlas .org

 

Election Day in the South told a newer and more surprising story: The nation’s first black president finished more strongly in the region than any other Democratic nominee in three decades, underscoring a fresh challenge for Republicans who rely on Southern whites as their base of national support.

Obama won Virginia and Florida and narrowly missed victory in North Carolina. But he also polled as well in Georgia as any Democrat since Jimmy Carter, grabbed 44 percent of the vote in deep-red South Carolina and just under that in Mississippi — despite doing no substantive campaigning in any of those states.

Much of the post-election analysis has focused on the demographic crisis facing Republicans among Hispanic voters, particularly in Texas. But the results across other parts of the South, where Latinos remain a single-digit minority, point to separate trends among blacks and whites that may also have big implications for the GOP’s future.

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After Regan, Clinton did not get an absolute majority in one of his elections (ok so Perot took some votes - but the facts are the facts). G W Bush got less than Al Gore. Obama won both his elections with a majority.

He certainly lost Big time in the south.

The description of FL as a southern state brings laughter. The only "Southern" part of FL is the part along the GA border, as well as the pan handle.

VA is also more Mid Atlantic than it is southern.  Its the DC suburbs that put it in play for the Dems.   The rest is the usual whites for GOP and blacks for the Dems.

Hillary isn't going to make break throughs in any bona fide Southern state. She might come close in GA as it is in transition as NC is. She might win NC but then Obama won there in 2008 and barely lost in 2012.  Bill won GA in 1992. He lost it in 1996.

SC is out of the question.  That's a Gold Old (white) Boy state.  They aint voting Hillary.  They didn't even vote Bill.  SC makes Guyana to be a pillar of cross ethnic voting.  Its that bad. Whites in SC only do "red", not "blue".  Blacks are around 40% in SC so that explains the poll.

Its all good though because the more that the GOP have to worry about GA the less they have to make mischief in PA, OH, or WI.

 

FM

As much as Trump is weak enough to lose to Clinton, she is carrying a lot of water so I would not pop the bubbly until elections night. On a separate note, what is the verasity of this story with Huma Abidin? Is there some validity or is Brietbart making things up? One would think that she wouldn't be able to get a security clearance if that was true.

FM
Kari posted:

Brietbart is to media as Palin is to Politics. Both are dumb sh1ts

Brietbart is another reason why if Hillary loses the election it will be 100% her fault.

Take the worst of Trump and multiply it by 5X and that is Brietbart. At some point Kellyanne will tire of Trump refusing to cooperate with her attempts to make him look presidential. 

FM
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

So "Obama lost big time in most of the Deep South"

Which Deep South state did Obama win?  VA isn't Deep South and neither is FL.

"big time

Obama was worse than all previous Democratic Presidents. 

"big time

Kari
Kari posted:
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

So "Obama lost big time in most of the Deep South"

Which Deep South state did Obama win?  VA isn't Deep South and neither is FL.

"big time

Obama was worse than all previous Democratic Presidents. 

"big time

Did you drink some thing that Trump gave you? Your response seems to be devoid of sense.

Obama lost big time in the Deep South.  Now what is there so hard to deal with?

FM

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