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PPP/C needs to offload Jagdeo – Urling

By Staff Writer On June 1, 2015 @ 5:09 am In Local News

The PPP/C has to move on without former president Bharrat Jagdeo if it is to ever recapture its former political prestige, PPP/C candidate Clinton Urling says but former party stalwart Ralph Ramkarran says that Jagdeo is not one to sit on the sidelines and he has called on disaffected former and current members to form a new political party.

Jagdeo has been blamed for the PPP/C loss at the May 11 general elections which was won by the APNU+AFC coalition. In a letter published in yesterday’s Sunday Stabroek, Urling said that it will be a difficult task for the party to change if it continues on the current path with Jagdeo as de facto leader. Moreover, it would be difficult to attract, and in his case retain, the type of people who can help reinvent the party, Urling, who joined the party’s campaign several weeks before the elections, wrote.

“Plainly stated, the party has to move on without Jagdeo if it is to ever recapture its former political prestige,” he asserted.

Clinton UrlingClinton Urling

Ramkarran, in his Sunday Stabroek column, said that the PPP can now only be saved by external pressure. “There is, and unlikely to be, any internal movement for reform because of the stranglehold on the leadership described above,” he said referring to Jagdeo’s domination of the party.

“It is, therefore, now incumbent on the many members and former members of the PPP who have become disaffected or displaced, who have been forced into inactivity, but who disagree and agonize over the path taken by the PPP and wish to see reforms, to establish a new political party devoted to the ideals of Cheddi Jagan,” he wrote.

“Such a party will aim primarily at winning over supporters of the PPP and gaining seats in the National Assembly at the next elections. The objective is to deprive the PPP of the possibility of gaining an absolute majority. This will provide leverage for reforms to restore policies of ‘winner does not take all,’ shared governance by way of coalition arrangements, a political solution to Guyana’s problems and national unity,” Ramkarran asserted.

 Central figure

Urling, recalling his experience on the party’s campaign trail said that by the time he joined the campaign, it was obvious that Jagdeo was the party’s central figure and one easily got the sense that he was the man leading most, if not all, the party’s political and campaign strategies. “From this observation, I believed this election for the PPP/C was ‘Jagdeo’s’ to win or lose considering the central role he played in the campaign and in formulating its strategies,” he said.

Bharrat Jagdeo Bharrat Jagdeo

“After the party lost the elections, many in the party seemed to be at a loss about the party’s direction and the apparatus literally stopped functioning for a day or two after the elections, coupled with an information blackout. The Freedom House party headquarters was a ghost town and little was being told to any party candidate or supporter,” Urling wrote.

According to the businessman, during this time, many party members, junior or senior, reflected on why the party lost, ready to put the blame squarely on Jagdeo’s shoulders. “There was no place where I turned that I did not hear party members and supporters whisper and angrily criticize Jagdeo’s divisive campaign rhetoric. The general belief was that under his presidency the party lost its way from being a “wholesome” political organisation which attracted many friends and allies to becoming one where perceptions of impropriety and corruption had created ominous clouds over the party’s image,” he asserted.

Urling said that for many within the party, while the loss was disappointing it also presented an opportunity for rebirth, redemption and change in the way in which the party operates. “It justifiably should have been the start of a complete break from the politics of Jagdeo and his loyal circle within the

Ralph Ramkarran Ralph Ramkarran

PPP. The election loss engendered paradoxical feelings of being dejected but yet hopeful simultaneously,” he said.

“Unfortunately, this never happened. Instead, Jagdeo took charge of the party, insistent on shaping the post-elections narrative and was firmly back in command,” he wrote.

According to Urling, this did not – and still does not – go down well with many members. “Many whisper behind his back or choose their words carefully when addressing any forum where he has been included, but none would dare say to him directly how they felt. As I write this, the displeasure that he is still firmly in charge of the party does not sit well with many. However, for reasons I still cannot comprehend, many are reluctant to call him out and challenge him visibly or publicly,” Urling asserted.

He declared that the PPP/C has to move on without Jagdeo if it is to ever recapture its former political prestige.

 Traction

Meantime, Ramkarran highlighted Jagdeo’s domination of the PPP. He said that after the Jagdeo leadership gained traction, voting after discussions ceased and the former president summed up all discussions and the summing up, containing his views, was the decision. “He still does so. Elections at and after Congress began to be grossly manipulated. Both Donald Ramotar and Bharrat Jagdeo publicly opposed the 2011 presidential candidate being elected by secret ballot,” he wrote.

Ramkarran said that broad discussions continue to take place on matters of political strategy but members of the leadership instinctively know how far to go. “For example, no discussion has taken place on a coalition government because the leadership clique was opposed to it. Dissenting opinions on major issues in which Jagdeo has an interest were so frowned upon that there is a large dose of self-censorship. Anyone who attempted to raise a matter of consequence, such as corruption or the supply of drugs, risked incurring Jagdeo’s wrath. That was something to be feared, as he was their employer,” he said.

“All leaders of the PPP still defer to Bharrat Jagdeo. No one questions his analyses and none would dare raise his domineering role in government, in the party or in the election campaign.

His lead role in the campaign, which is privately criticized by most PPP leaders, as it was in 2011, signals his return to the hustings after a hiatus over the past three years during which he was busy assisting in the affairs of state and enjoying the perks of retirement and international travel,” Ramkarran said.

According to Ramkarran, Jagdeo’s current activism is also propelled by his compelling addiction to the limelight, his belief in his own genius and dissatisfaction with the performance of Ramotar.

The former Speaker of the National Assembly pointed out too that Ramotar has never made good on his private pre-2011 election promise to many who had raised concerns about Jagdeo’s attitude and behaviour that “things will change” after elections. Probably realizing subsequently that he needs Jagdeo’s help, he has allowed the latter’s power to remain intact, he observed.

Ramkarran said that Jagdeo is not one to sit on the sidelines. “If he returns to Parliament, even if he does not become Opposition Leader, it would be a signal that his political ascendancy in the PPP is assured. Thereafter it would only be a matter of time before he eases out Ramotar and (PPP General Secretary Clement) Rohee, who are both in their mid-60s, ‘old’ in Jagdeo’s eyes, while he is in his early 50s. Even if he is not in Parliament, his toxicity notwithstanding, his tenure will continue, being seen now as the main Indian ethnic leader of a party that has lost its political and moral compass,” Ramkarran said.

Ramkarran said that the PPP’s only hope is that the APNU+AFC coalition fails the people and loses its slim lead. “But with APNU+AFC’s knowledge of what not to do, constitutional reform, efforts to implement its other electoral promises and going after the Amerindian vote, the possibility of the PPP returning to political office in the near future, under a leadership and policies which have failed twice, looks bleak. Attrition of the same young people, who have livelihood and family responsibilities, and who will face the impotency of the PPP’s current postures, will also eventually take its toll,” he said.

 

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Originally Posted by Gupta:

If not Jagdeo (who is a big loser), who will now lead the PPP?

Frank Anthony or why not a woman.  Vindya Persaud.

 

But definitely not anti-man so Kawame OUT LIKE SOUTH

FM
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http://www.inewsguyana.com/ppp...-critique-of-jagdeo/

 

PPP disappointed in Urling’s critique of Jagdeo

June 1, 2015 10:53 am Category: latest news A+ / A-

By Fareeza Hanif

General Secretary of the PPP/C Clement Rohee [right) and Executive Secretary, Zulficar Mustapha during the press conference. [iNews' Photo]

General Secretary of the PPP/C Clement Rohee (right) and Executive Secretary, Zulficar Mustapha during the press conference. [iNews’ Photo]

 

 

[www.inewsguyana.com] – The main Opposition – the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPP/C) is not too happy with the criticisms leveled against one of its executive members, Bharrat Jagdeo by one of its own, Clinton Urling.

 

General Secretary, Clement Rohee told a news conference at Freedom House on Monday, June 01 that he is disappointed that Urling chose to air his views about the former President in the public domain as opposed to dealing with it internally.

The PPP/C candidate on Sunday, May 31 blamed Jagdeo for the Party’s defeat at the May 11 general and regional elections via a letter where he emphasized that the time has come for the former president to take a back seat if the PPP/C is to be rebuilt. He wrote that Jagdeo’s campaign strategies caused the Party to lose the elections.

Clinton Urling.

Clinton Urling.

When questioned about Urling’s analysis, Rohee said he was “taken back” by the letter, pointing out that Urling should have done the “proper thing” and wrote to him [Rohee].

“I haven’t seen any letter written to myself as General Secretary of the Party by Mr Urling. I would have thought that the proper thing to have been done was to write to the General Secretary to the Party expressing his own views,” Rohee told reporters.

He made it clear that the letter is solely Urling’s views and not that of the PPP/C. According to Rohee, Urling was invited to two meetings recently where candidates were given the opportunity to express their views on the outcome of the elections.

Former President, Bharrat Jagdeo. [iNews' Photo]

Former President, Bharrat Jagdeo. [iNews’ Photo]

“I thought he would have expressed his views but it appears as though he had a preference…I am disappointed as General Secretary for him to do that.”

 

The General Secretary pointed out that Urling’s analysis is based on his “perception”, noting that he has been a member of the PPP/C for a brief period.

Urling, he said, joined the Party in mid March, explaining that “it is his perception; he couldn’t have known all those things in such a short period of time…he is not in a position to pronounce authoritatively on this matter,” the General Secretary said.

Meanwhile, when told that former PPP/C Executive Member Ralph Ramkarran shared similar views about Jagdeo and his leadership, Rohee pointed out that Ramkarran never worked in the “belly of the Party” in order to understands its overall operation.

Mars
 

Meanwhile, when told that former PPP/C Executive Member Ralph Ramkarran shared similar views about Jagdeo and his leadership, Rohee pointed out that Ramkarran never worked in the “belly of the Party” in order to understands its overall operation.

WTF is this?  I guess a lot of shit in that belly

FM

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

R

The PPP will NOT be the largest party for too long if it continues to engage in this backwardness.  Urling made constructive criticisms, and will be punished.

 

Too bad as he might be the very type of person which the PPP needs to move them into the 21st century.

FM

Every time Goat Man opens his mouth you have to cringe.

 

Agree that Johnny come lately Urling has no authority to make those comments. He is hoping to get some Coalition soup.

 

Remember the Seinfeld show, we will put the soup nazi on him - no soup for you Urling.

 

Urling should have started 2 new brands of soup before he decided which party to join- PPP soup and Coalition soup.  Whichever was selling the most, that's the party he should have joined.

 

He should try that now.

FM

The PPP party is in total disarray. Who is the their leader Jagdeo, Rohee, Ramotar, Romel Roopnarine? All of them must be kicked out of leadership if the PPP is to stand any chance in the next election.

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

FM

Jagdeo will be their downfall.  They would not be able to shake him off and you have Goat Man there so PPP not going anywhere.  It's a parasitic relationship.  Jagdeo owns those people.

FM

RE: CLINTON URLING

 

* THE PPP SHOULD KICK HIM OUT OF THE PARTY--HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED

 

* Sure the former President has some flaws, but who the hell is Urling to publicly call for Jagdeo to take a hike.

 

* One of the biggest mistake Jagdeo and the PPP made was to bring in numerous black thugs from the PNC---their names are too many to call.

 

* CLINTON URLING HAS TO GO---THE PPP OUGHT TO EXPEL HIM---LET HIM JOIN GRANGER AND THE PNC.

 

Rev

FM
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Originally Posted by Rev:

RE: CLINTON URLING

 

* THE PPP SHOULD KICK HIM OUT OF THE PARTY--HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED

 

* Sure the former President has some flaws, but who the hell is Urling to publicly call for Jagdeo to take a hike.

 

* One of the biggest mistake Jagdeo and the PPP made was to bring in numerous black thugs from the PNC---their names are too many to call.

 

* CLINTON URLING HAS TO GO---THE PPP OUGHT TO EXPEL HIM---LET HIM JOIN GRANGER AND THE PNC.

 

Rev

So you're saying PPP must remain a cult?

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

So you're saying PPP must remain a cult?

 

* How many Indians did the PPP lose when Jagdeo started to absorb rejects from the PNC ? Thousands!

 

* THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE---ONLY 5600 BLACKS VOTED FOR THE PPP IN 2015.

 

* The party needs to coalesce around East Indians, Amerindians and Mixed.

 

* LET THE PNC KEEP THE BLACKS.

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

So you're saying PPP must remain a cult?

 

* How many Indians did the PPP lose when Jagdeo started to absorb rejects from the PNC ? Thousands!

 

* THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE---ONLY 5600 BLACKS VOTED FOR THE PPP IN 2015.

 

* The party needs to coalesce around East Indians, Amerindians and Mixed.

 

* LET THE PNC KEEP THE BLACKS.

 

Rev

HOW ABOUT YOUR BLACK HEART THAT COUNTS 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

Canada does not have a President. TK, you stupid or what?

FM
Originally Posted by Dondadda:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

Canada does not have a President. TK, you stupid or what?

Ok man... 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

You are a damn fool to thing so..   Save the party from what.  The party is stronger than any other in Guyana.  However, you should bother with the PPP.  Judas like you should be seen and not heard.  Go back to your minimum wage  teaching job

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

You are a damn fool to thing so..   Save the party from what.  The party is stronger than any other in Guyana.  However, you should bother with the PPP.  Judas like you should be seen and not heard.  Go back to your minimum wage  teaching job

PPP getting 40% next time...uncle Rama_can't .

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

You are a damn fool to thing so..   Save the party from what.  The party is stronger than any other in Guyana.  However, you should bother with the PPP.  Judas like you should be seen and not heard.  Go back to your minimum wage  teaching job

PPP getting 40% next time...uncle Rama_can't .

It doesn't matter what the PPP gets, they will have the largest slate of seats than any other party.  The PNC will 25%. 

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:

The PPP has to think this through.  They are the largest political party in Guyana.  They will also make some changes but will not get rid of their former President.

 

Ralph Ramkarran wants to be the Leader but he has blown it big time.  There is no hope for him to become Leader of the PPP.  He can only form a splinter party like the AFC with disgruntled former members.

In US and Canada former Presidents don't hijack the presidential campaigns of those coming after. No one is suggesting to throw Jagdeo under the bus. He needs to be a statesman and let others save the party, otherwise they are getting at most 40% in 2020.

You are a damn fool to thing so..   Save the party from what.  The party is stronger than any other in Guyana.  However, you should bother with the PPP.  Judas like you should be seen and not heard.  Go back to your minimum wage  teaching job

PPP getting 40% next time...uncle Rama_can't .

It doesn't matter what the PPP gets, they will have the largest slate of seats than any other party.  The PNC will 25%. 

So why are they so scared to announce their MPs.  They shame that all them immature pickneys will be picked infront of the stalwarts like Komal Chand?

FM
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Originally Posted by Georgie:

Will young Clinton Urling be given a PPP seat in the 11 Parliament?

Obviously not.  He shows capacity to believe that independent thought is valued in the PPP. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Georgie:

Will young Clinton Urling be given a PPP seat in the 11 Parliament?

Obviously not.  He shows capacity to believe that independent thought is valued in the PPP. 

What Horseshit you talking here now Carib.  Young Clinton was ready to suck the PPP soup.

 

Once he realise the soup dry up.  He switch.

 

He now back in Granger camp.

 

There is nothing independent about a political grasshopper.

FM
Originally Posted by Georgie:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Georgie:

Will young Clinton Urling be given a PPP seat in the 11 Parliament?

Obviously not.  He shows capacity to believe that independent thought is valued in the PPP. 

What Horseshit you talking here now Carib.  Young Clinton was ready to suck the PPP soup.

 

Once he realise the soup dry up.  He switch.

 

He now back in Granger camp.

 

There is nothing independent about a political grasshopper.

Grass hoppers are very independent people.  As soon as one soup bowl is empty they switch.

 

Urling is too intelligent and independent.  Had he stayed he would have become a less radical version of Benschop.  Those types don't stick around if its only soup drips that are offered.  They get very angry when it happens, hence his Jagdeo outburst.

FM

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