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Chief Election Officer's first calculation had given PPPC parliamentary majority
Written by Denis Scott Chabrol
Wednesday, 04 January 2012 15:59 DEMERARA WAVES


The Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) almost gave the Peoples Progressive Party Civic (PPPC) a 33-seat majority due to a miscalculation by the Chief Election Officer, Gocool Boodoo- a scenario he has denied.

“I have no knowledge of that. I am not aware of that,” Boodoo told Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com).

But official minutes of the commission meeting on election results day- November 30- tell another story that has been corroborated by a GECOM insider.

Noting that the Chief Election Officer is required by law to present the results to the commission before a final declaration is made, the source said Boodoo’s calculation was erroneous. Commissioner, Vincent Alexander unearthed the discrepancy and it was re-calculated based on the formula to reflect the PPPC getting 32 seats, A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) 26 and the Alliance For Change seven. All of the commissioners then accepted the results.

Demwaves.com was told that Alexander had objected to the first calculation that had given the PPPC 33 seats with 48.57 percent of the votes, the AFC six seats and APNU 26 seats.

Alexander has declined to comment on the issue.

The error was discovered even as Boodoo and the Chairman of the Elections Commission, Dr. Steve Surujbally were eager to go across to the Pegasus Hotel to declare the final results. If that had been done, the accuracy could have been challenged only by an elections petition that could have taken five years.

Demwaves.com further understands from another reliable source that the Chief Elections Officer’s calculation had excluded the 25 constituency seats and only taken the 40 seats into consideration. This source noted that 48.57 percent being equivalent to 33 seats or more than half of the 65 seats in the National Assembly “seemed to fly in the face of proportionality.”

One source insisted that Boodoo had already circulated certified copies of the results to the commissioners before the error was spotted. A number of commissioners are said to still be in possession of copies of the certified but inaccurate results.

When contacted, Commissioner Dr. Keshav Mangal, however, told Demwaves.com that “no results were certified that was changed.” He declined to comment on the statistical specifics when put to him but he emphasized that the commission ensured that accurate results were declared after “minor adjustments”, “cross-checking and verification.”

“The commission had all the steps taken to ensure that what came out was the true result.

I don’t know about those kinds of changes but I know that anything was finally put out would have had the final blessings of the full commission,” said Mangal, who was chosen by the governing party to be a commissioner.

Another Commissioner, Charles Corbin- the third person to have corroborated that the first set of results that was presented to the Commission for approval was wrong-told demwaves.com that all the commissioners present agreed that there was a mistake.

“What jumped out at the Commission was that the numbers, as presented by him, showing that the PPP had less than 50 percent was going to be allocated more than 50 percent of the seats,” he said.

The delay in the declaration of the results, Corbin recalled, was due to the fact the results for Region Four had not been made until after 12 O’clock on November 30- the day that the results had been announced.

Meanwhile, when military intelligence picked up that there was discrepancy in the results, they had expressed concern in certain quarters that the political violence could have erupted if nothing had been done to ensure that the results had been acceptable to all parties.

The tension was also diffused, according to political insiders, when the presidential and prime ministerial candidates of the three contesting parties agreed to hold talks on the way forward in light of the minority PPPC government.

APNU wants to verify the results by gaining access to the hard-copies of GECOM's Statements of Poll rather than the scanned versions which they say has already thrown up a number of undisclosed discrepancies.

APNU's unofficial youth-arm, Youth Coalition for Transformation (YCT), has been calling for the resignation of Boodoo and Surujbally and for GECOM to be reformed before the holding of local government or the next national and regional elections.

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quote:
Originally posted by albert:
It appears A.P.N.U wants to make a mountain out of a mold hill...
That's a molehill bro.

No mold on APNUs verification.

Let's see what the hard-copies reveal. GECOM will state that by law they don't have to release the hard-copies. You want to make a bet?
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by albert:
It appears A.P.N.U wants to make a mountain out of a mold hill...
That's a molehill bro.

No mold on APNUs verification.

Let's see what the hard-copies reveal. GECOM will state that by law they don't have to release the hard-copies. You want to make a bet?


And GECOM does not have to release its original copies to any party but the law courts. APNU should have secured its own copies from its polling agents. They can also print hard copies from the DVD or PDF format. Why APNU does not specify the ID# and variance of the statements that contain discrepancies. They are running out of excuses for their barefaced attempt to seize ballots.
Will Mr. Ramotar announce the date for the start of the new parliament? pleaseaa
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by albert:
It appears A.P.N.U wants to make a mountain out of a mold hill...
That's a molehill bro.

No mold on APNUs verification.

Let's see what the hard-copies reveal. GECOM will state that by law they don't have to release the hard-copies. You want to make a bet?

APNU/PNC running behind an accelerating car.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by albert:
It appears A.P.N.U wants to make a mountain out of a mold hill...
That's a molehill bro.

No mold on APNUs verification.

Let's see what the hard-copies reveal. GECOM will state that by law they don't have to release the hard-copies. You want to make a bet?


And GECOM does not have to release its original copies to any party but the law courts. APNU should have secured its own copies from its polling agents. They can also print hard copies from the DVD or PDF format. Why APNU does not specify the ID# and variance of the statements that contain discrepancies. They are running out of excuses for their barefaced attempt to seize ballots.
Will Mr. Ramotar announce the date for the start of the new parliament? pleaseaa
APNU wants to match their's with the originals. What's so difficult to understand about that?

It will be a public meeting a sitdown with APNU and GECOM since AFC are pussies and like to stay distant and play neutral. APNU wants to sit down with GECOM and go over the SOP's. It's not like APNU wants to walk away with the originals and doctor them.
FM
PPP crooks. They tried to steal the elctions. What a bunch of GECOM scamps ... GECOM is in bed with the PPP. No wonder Steve SuraBULLY is on vacation.

He needs to stay wherever he's at.
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Declaration of PPP/C majority was on the verge of being made until error pointed out –GECOM source
By Stabroek staff | 2 Comments | Local | Thursday, January 5, 2012

A source on the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) has confirmed that there was originally to be a declaration that the elections was won by the PPP/C with a majority in Parliament but this was scuppered after it was pointed out that there had been a miscalculation in the allocation of seats.

This charge first surfaced at an A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) press conference about two weeks ago. Had such a declaration been made there could have been serious difficulties in reversing it. In the 2006 election even though there was a recognition within GECOM that an error had been made in terms of the assigning of a Region 10 seat to the PPP/C instead of the AFC, the latter was left to challenge the matter in court as GECOM said the original declaration of results could not be modified. The challenge was later struck out on procedural grounds.

Speaking with Stabroek News yesterday, a commission source said that “it was in fact one of the Opposition commissioners who raised an objection,” and that “it was obvious” that something was not right with the results.

Pressed for a response on the accusation from APNU, a source close to the CEO of GECOM said that the calculation of seat allocation which was presented based on the number of votes garnered by the parties was found to be erroneous. “The error was observed upon checks of the CEO’s submission being perused by commissioners to which the calculations were submitted for ratification,” the source said.

The source said too that the error was shared with the CEO and every member of the Commission “and was accepted unanimously as an error.”

According to the source, the seat allocation was subsequently adjusted accordingly, “thereafter the Commissioners gave approval to the CEO to make the official declaration.” The final announcement of the results of the elections came on the afternoon of December 1, 2011.

Delay

Meanwhile, a Commissioner with whom this newspaper spoke hit out at critics of GECOM who felt the results took an inordinately long time to be announced.

He said that the media should have been more proactive in obtaining the results which he said would have been posted outside of the polling stations.

He said too that legally the declaration of results is done regionally by each Returning Officer for each of the ten electoral districts. The Commissioner said that if there is a challenge to be made to the elections this challenge is not made centrally. “It is the ten declarations that provide the results. The declaration for the National Assembly is what the Chief Election Officer does,” said the Commissioner with whom this newspaper spoke.

He said that the CEO makes his declaration on the basis of the declarations of the ten Returning Officers. “The CEO must wait on the ten Returning Officers. The CEO can do nothing until all ten regions or electoral districts,” the Commissioner told the Stabroek News yesterday.

Regarding the delays in the announcement of the results of the November 28, 2011 national and regional elections, he said that the Region 4 results came in until midday on November 29, 2011.

Further, Stabroek News has learnt that the final declaration of the November 28 national and regional elections has not yet been gazetted because of the yet to be submitted list of candidates for all the parties.

This is according to Vishnu Persaud, the Public Relations Officer at the GECOM. The reason for the delay is the tussle for the position of Speaker of the National Assembly among the three parties entering the Tenth Parliament. The choice for Speaker is bound to affect the shape of the list of MPs to be submitted by A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) and the Alliance For Change. APNU wants either Deborah Backer or PNCR Chairman Cammie Ramsaroop as Speaker; the PPP/C is proposing former Speaker Ralph Ramkarran while the AFC is proposing Moses Nagamootoo for the post.

Persaud said that all of the parties still have to indicate in writing who will be appointed as councilors on the RDCs and that these persons have to be drawn from the list submitted by each party contesting the elections.

This newspaper was informed that there has been no further word on a date for the meeting of the parties to discuss the issue of the Speaker for the Tenth Parliament.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
Nuff, stop the nonsense. Everybody knows that PNC NEVER WON ANY ELECTION IN GUYANA.

"Tiefman nah like see he mattie walk wid bag".
What's that got to do with the price of eggs.

The point here is APNU sees discrepencies. Maybe they think they deserve another seat in Parliament. I for one NEVER believed that the PPP got that many votes as GECOM climed in region 4. I think they stole an APNU seat.

Anyway, look how the PPP wanted to steal the elections with bad data, it wasn't until they were confronted that they delayed the eklection results. GECOM was ready to proclaim the PPP the winners of a majority gov't.

Something smells rotten in GT and it's the PPP.
FM
In Dem Waves report of the story yesterday, the source of the info of the miscalculation by Gecom is Commissioner Charles Corbin, brother of PNC Leader, Robert Corbin. He also said that fellow PNCR Commissioner Vincent Alexander discovered the error. The report further said that when Alexander was asked to confirm the story, he declined to comment.
It may be true, but at this juncture APNU appears to be trying to shore up its severely damaged credibility in its relentless pursuit for total power "by any means possible".
FM
quote:
Nuff: "The point here is APNU sees discrepencies. Maybe they think they deserve another seat in Parliament. I for one NEVER believed that the PPP got that many votes as GECOM climed in region 4. I think they stole an APNU seat."


For that matter, I am still trying to figure out how APNU was awarded one of the two geographic seats in Region One when the party got less than 1,000 votes while PPP got almost 4,000 and AFC just a little less than APNU.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
Nuff, stop the nonsense. Everybody knows that PNC NEVER WON ANY ELECTION IN GUYANA.

"Tiefman nah like see he mattie walk wid bag".
What's that got to do with the price of eggs.

The point here is APNU sees discrepencies. Maybe they think they deserve another seat in Parliament. I for one NEVER believed that the PPP got that many votes as GECOM climed in region 4. I think they stole an APNU seat.

Anyway, look how the PPP wanted to steal the elections with bad data, it wasn't until they were confronted that they delayed the eklection results. GECOM was ready to proclaim the PPP the winners of a majority gov't.

Something smells rotten in GT and it's the PPP.

Well, get used to the smell cazz it comin' from yuh own bucta. You can do yourself a favour and stay right up deh pon yu speed boat. Abie nah want or care fa you donk hey.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
quote:
Nuff: "The point here is APNU sees discrepencies. Maybe they think they deserve another seat in Parliament. I for one NEVER believed that the PPP got that many votes as GECOM climed in region 4. I think they stole an APNU seat."


For that matter, I am still trying to figure out how APNU was awarded one of the two geographic seats in Region One when the party got less than 1,000 votes while PPP got almost 4,000 and AFC just a little less than APNU.
It's based on a mathematical alogorithm, not a raw count.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
quote:
Nuff: "The point here is APNU sees discrepencies. Maybe they think they deserve another seat in Parliament. I for one NEVER believed that the PPP got that many votes as GECOM climed in region 4. I think they stole an APNU seat."


For that matter, I am still trying to figure out how APNU was awarded one of the two geographic seats in Region One when the party got less than 1,000 votes while PPP got almost 4,000 and AFC just a little less than APNU.
It's based on a mathematical alogorithm, not a raw count.


I was wondering the same thing, based on the votes in Region 1, it seems that PPP should have gotten both seats, which would have given them 33, APNU 25 and AFC 7.

It seems that they should be protesting and taking GECOM to court.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by The Blade Runner:
I was wondering the same thing, based on the votes in Region 1, it seems that PPP should have gotten both seats, which would have given them 33, APNU 25 and AFC 7.

It seems that they should be protesting and taking GECOM to court.
That's why the PPP lost one seat in parliament by 6 votes. It still has them crying today.

They were desperately trying to recoup that seat in another region when they got busted. Big Grin
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
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For that matter, I am still trying to figure out how APNU was awarded one of the two geographic seats in Region One when the party got less than 1,000 votes while PPP got almost 4,000 and AFC just a little less than APNU.


Spicegirl I know you voted PPP. If the PPP got 33 seats then AFC would have no relevance what so ever because the PPP would have total control.

So be glad that APNU got that region 1 seat so at least SOMETIMES APNU and the PPP might listen to them.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Spice Girl:
Nuff, stop the nonsense. Everybody knows that PNC NEVER WON ANY ELECTION IN GUYANA.

"Tiefman nah like see he mattie walk wid bag".



Do intelligent people in APNU think they won, or do they think maybe they got a few more seats? Indeed I have heard AFC supporters claim that they too were robbed by the PPP, but they are keeping quiet letting APNu fight that war.
FM

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