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Cuban hopes dashed as new and used cars go on sale

 

By Marc Frank | Reuters â€“ Fri, 3 Jan, 2014

 

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cubans awoke on Friday for the first time in half a century with the right to buy new and used vehicles from the state without special permission, but markups of 400 percent or more quickly dashed most people's expectations.

At the state-run Peugeot dealership in Havana on Friday morning, where prices ranged from $91,000 for a 2013 model 206 to $262,000 for a 508, people walked away shaking their heads in disgust.

"I earn 600 Cuban pesos per month (approximately $30). That means in my whole life I can't buy one of these. I am going to die before I can buy a new car," Roberto Gonzales, a state driver, said, walking back to his 1950s Plymouth.

The average monthly wage in Cuba, where four out of five of the 5 million-strong labor force work for the state, is $20.

A European diplomat quipped, "I am slightly flabbergasted. With these prices, the old-time U.S. cars will not disappear fast from the streets."

Under a reform two years ago, Cubans can now buy and sell used cars from each other, but until Friday had to request authorization from the government to purchase a new vehicle or second-hand one, usually a rental car, from state retailers.

Before September 2011, only automobiles that were in Cuba before the 1959 revolution could be freely bought and sold, which is why there are so many 1950s or older cars, most of them American-made, rumbling through Cuban streets.

Along with Cuba's famous rolling museum of vintage U.S. cars, there are also many Soviet-made cars, dating from the era when the Soviet Union was the island's biggest ally and benefactor.

Newer models are largely in government hands and were sold used before Friday at a relatively low price to select individuals, for example, Cuban diplomats, doctors and teachers who served abroad.

Across town from the Peugeot dealership, where more than a hundred used rent-a-cars went on sale for prices ranging as a rule from $25,000 on up, disgust turned to anger on Friday.

"These prices show a lack of respect for all Cubans. What is here are wrecks. I now have no hope of getting a car for my family," artist Cesar Perez said, looking at a 2005 Renault on sale for the equivalent of $25,000 and available outside the country on the Internet for $3,000.

A teacher looked at the price list and yelled "Are there any bicycles?" as she stomped away without giving her name.

STATE MONOPOLY

The Cuban state maintains a monopoly on the retail sale of cars. There are 650,000 autos on the island, half of them owned by the government.

The decades-old ban on importing cars and need for state permission to purchase from the state has left nine out of 10 Cuban households without a car or other vehicle such as a motorcycle and dependent on the decrepit public transportation system.

The cost of new and used cars sold by Cubans to each other is similar to those that went on sale on Friday because of limited availability.

The government said all profits would go into a special fund to upgrade public transportation.

Diplomats, foreign businesses and select Cubans will still need government permission to import a new or used car without the huge markup.

The liberalizing of car sales was one of more than 300 reforms put forth by President Raul Castro, who took over for his ailing brother Fidel in 2008, and approved in 2011 at a congress of the Communist Party, Cuba's only legal political party.

The proposed changes put a greater emphasis on private initiative, which had been largely stifled under Cuba's Soviet-style system, and less government control over the sale and purchase of personal property such as homes and cars.

"These prices will clearly be outside the purchasing capability of the vast majority of Cubans, even with the support from relatives abroad. In essence, they represent a luxury tax imposed by the government on the nouveau riches of Cuba," John Kirk, one of Canada's leading academic experts on Latin America and author of a number of books on Cuba, said by email.

There are now tens of thousands of small private businesses in Cuba, and thousands of farm, construction, transportation and other types of cooperatives, all of which in theory should benefit from the opening up of car sales.

Bert Hoffmann, a Cuba expert at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies in Hamburg said in an email that many businesses needed vehicles, but such high prices would make it difficult for most and cut into other business activity, stalling their overall development.

(Additional reporting by Nelson Acosta; Editing by Jonathan Oatis)

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Originally Posted by Mars:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/cuban...1038600--sector.html

 

Cuban hopes dashed as new and used cars go on sale

 

By Marc Frank | Reuters â€“ Fri, 3 Jan, 2014

 

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cubans awoke on Friday for the first time in half a century with the right to buy new and used vehicles from the state without special permission, but markups of 400 percent or more quickly dashed most people's expectations.

At the state-run Peugeot dealership in Havana on Friday morning, where prices ranged from $91,000 for a 2013 model 206 to $262,000 for a 508, people walked away shaking their heads in disgust.

"I earn 600 Cuban pesos per month (approximately $30). That means in my whole life I can't buy one of these. I am going to die before I can buy a new car," Roberto Gonzales, a state driver, said, walking back to his 1950s Plymouth.

The average monthly wage in Cuba, where four out of five of the 5 million-strong labor force work for the state, is $20.

A European diplomat quipped, "I am slightly flabbergasted. With these prices, the old-time U.S. cars will not disappear fast from the streets."

Under a reform two years ago, Cubans can now buy and sell used cars from each other, but until Friday had to request authorization from the government to purchase a new vehicle or second-hand one, usually a rental car, from state retailers.

Before September 2011, only automobiles that were in Cuba before the 1959 revolution could be freely bought and sold, which is why there are so many 1950s or older cars, most of them American-made, rumbling through Cuban streets.

Along with Cuba's famous rolling museum of vintage U.S. cars, there are also many Soviet-made cars, dating from the era when the Soviet Union was the island's biggest ally and benefactor.

Newer models are largely in government hands and were sold used before Friday at a relatively low price to select individuals, for example, Cuban diplomats, doctors and teachers who served abroad.

Across town from the Peugeot dealership, where more than a hundred used rent-a-cars went on sale for prices ranging as a rule from $25,000 on up, disgust turned to anger on Friday.

"These prices show a lack of respect for all Cubans. What is here are wrecks. I now have no hope of getting a car for my family," artist Cesar Perez said, looking at a 2005 Renault on sale for the equivalent of $25,000 and available outside the country on the Internet for $3,000.

A teacher looked at the price list and yelled "Are there any bicycles?" as she stomped away without giving her name.

STATE MONOPOLY

The Cuban state maintains a monopoly on the retail sale of cars. There are 650,000 autos on the island, half of them owned by the government.

The decades-old ban on importing cars and need for state permission to purchase from the state has left nine out of 10 Cuban households without a car or other vehicle such as a motorcycle and dependent on the decrepit public transportation system.

The cost of new and used cars sold by Cubans to each other is similar to those that went on sale on Friday because of limited availability.

The government said all profits would go into a special fund to upgrade public transportation.

Diplomats, foreign businesses and select Cubans will still need government permission to import a new or used car without the huge markup.

The liberalizing of car sales was one of more than 300 reforms put forth by President Raul Castro, who took over for his ailing brother Fidel in 2008, and approved in 2011 at a congress of the Communist Party, Cuba's only legal political party.

The proposed changes put a greater emphasis on private initiative, which had been largely stifled under Cuba's Soviet-style system, and less government control over the sale and purchase of personal property such as homes and cars.

"These prices will clearly be outside the purchasing capability of the vast majority of Cubans, even with the support from relatives abroad. In essence, they represent a luxury tax imposed by the government on the nouveau riches of Cuba," John Kirk, one of Canada's leading academic experts on Latin America and author of a number of books on Cuba, said by email.

There are now tens of thousands of small private businesses in Cuba, and thousands of farm, construction, transportation and other types of cooperatives, all of which in theory should benefit from the opening up of car sales.

Bert Hoffmann, a Cuba expert at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies in Hamburg said in an email that many businesses needed vehicles, but such high prices would make it difficult for most and cut into other business activity, stalling their overall development.

(Additional reporting by Nelson Acosta; Editing by Jonathan Oatis)

this is the country all the indian ppp should migrate to and all the low life collie in north america that still think cuba is the godfather for guyana should migrate there you have to wonder at the mentality of the indian ppp supporters that still praise the Cuban government 

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

When you hear stories like this you get a new appreciation for Guyana where this type of nonsense don't exist. 

i see your Honorable minister is preaching left wing 

By the end of the year druggie will be an AFC.  I told him that two years ago.  Now that the PPP is once again Marxist Leninist, and the party secretary is the one who said so, what will he say?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

When you hear stories like this you get a new appreciation for Guyana where this type of nonsense don't exist. 

i see your Honorable minister is preaching left wing 

By the end of the year druggie will be an AFC.  I told him that two years ago.  Now that the PPP is once again Marxist Leninist, and the party secretary is the one who said so, what will he say?

Should I decide to jump ship, I would support the PNC as they have a better chance of winning and despite all the rhetoric from Granger et al, they will work with the business community .  Also no one will scream when police kill the bandits as they do under the PPP. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Should I decide to jump ship, I would support the PNC as they have a better chance of winning and despite all the rhetoric from Granger et al, they will work with the business community .  Also no one will scream when police kill the bandits as they do under the PPP. 

as usual, the resident fool will post ANYTHING, no matter how incoherent, to attract attention

 

yaaaaaaawwwn . . . sumbady please light a feather and mek dat goadie roll

 

        drugabeer

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Should I decide to jump ship, I would support the PNC as they have a better chance of winning and despite all the rhetoric from Granger et al, they will work with the business community .  Also no one will scream when police kill the bandits as they do under the PPP. 

as usual, the resident fool will post ANYTHING, no matter how incoherent, to attract attention

 

yaaaaaaawwwn . . . sumady please light a feather and mek dat goadie roll

 

        drugabeer

under the pnc you will get a free specialist to cut your goadee

FM
riginally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

When you hear stories like this you get a new appreciation for Guyana where this type of nonsense don't exist. 

i see your Honorable minister is preaching left wing 

By the end of the year druggie will be an AFC.  I told him that two years ago.  Now that the PPP is once again Marxist Leninist, and the party secretary is the one who said so, what will he say?

Should I decide to jump ship, I would support the PNC as they have a better chance of winning and despite all the rhetoric from Granger et al, they will work with the business community .  Also no one will scream when police kill the bandits as they do under the PPP. 

 

 

Druggie you seem to see the writing on the wall and have already begun to let the PNC know that you will drink their soup if offered.

 

You seem to see what the PPP sees, and that is the African/mixed vote is galvanized against them.  Indians increasingly are disappointed with them, so increasingly not inclined to vote.  And the attitude of the Amerindians is that the Coastlanders should fight amongst themselves and leave them alone.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

 

Druggie you seem to see the writing on the wall and have already begun to let the PNC know that you will drink their soup if offered.

 

You seem to see what the PPP sees, and that is the African/mixed vote is galvanized against them.  Indians increasingly are disappointed with them, so increasingly not inclined to vote.  And the attitude of the Amerindians is that the Coastlanders should fight amongst themselves and leave them alone.

I drink no soup as I don't have any business interest in Guyana at the moment. My family made money under the PNC and the PPP, a testament that business people will survive, working with whoever is in power.  We are beholden to no party. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

Remember the days, without a PNC cyard, you got no car.  All was allocated to the PNC goon rulers and their circle.  Remember the cars, Galant/Lancer, Austin maxi, etc.  PNC had their hay-day.  Now it's power to the people, so stop complaining.

And yet when Castro does the same thing you blame the USA!

FM

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