Mitwah used to blame the PPP for floods. Guyana is cursed under the AFC/PNC, it now has mega floods.

Eh-eh, is that water or extremely new asphalt on the road.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Eh-eh, is that water or extremely new asphalt on the road.

DG, that's all the PNC can build, water asphalt.

Oh my, I never saw so much water in Guyana under the PPP. Perhaps I forget where my navel string juck. 

Prince posted:

Oh my, I never saw so much water in Guyana under the PPP. Perhaps I forget where my navel string juck.

GT 2005!  Prince, stop making a fool of yourself!

HaHaaaa Busted!

I have an archive of proof of flooding in Guyana from the PPP time into PNC time. But I don't have time to defend myself with proof for people to believe me. It's child's play to sing hooky ***** with big men and women. I am not gaining anything by telling lies. No government is without faults. So, why lie to yourself? 

Thanks, Baseman!

INCOMPETENT DUMMIES IN THE GOVT. AND THEIR GNI SUPPORTERS ARE WORST THAN DUMB REDNECKS!!

 Morning Django, Cain etal

Stupid sk&^%$ts. If yuh mek new housing scheme and cover up de canal dem yuh na go get flood? Irfan and dem should a know dis go happen. But is hustlers, pushers and hucksters runnin tings up to today. That Hope canal s^&*$nt Robert do with BK cyant solve de problem. Is simple mats. If yuh gat distance foh de wata run to hope and yuh get heavy rain yuh goh get flash floods. Me learn in August skool that time de wata tek foh run to Hope = distance/speed...hey hey hey..... Dey dey busy buyin online dactarates dat dem forget dem CXC mats. Sk&^% man wan Minista muss know foh calculate de valume of wan canal man. At least yuh need dat before yuh talk to yuh specialis engineers. It go require 100s of millions of Merika dallah foh fix dat. Hey hey hey...aile and wata doan mix. 

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Is he saying that Irfaan is now with the PNC and should take responsibility for the flood??  I lost him at that word after Stupid Sk.........!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Is he saying that Irfaan is now with the PNC and should take responsibility for the flood??  I lost him at that word after Stupid Sk.........!

Wait...wait...Ayoo doan blame Burnham? 

Labba posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Is he saying that Irfaan is now with the PNC and should take responsibility for the flood??  I lost him at that word after Stupid Sk.........!

Wait...wait...Ayoo doan blame Burnham? 

Yes.  We blaming you now.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Labba posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Is he saying that Irfaan is now with the PNC and should take responsibility for the flood??  I lost him at that word after Stupid Sk.........!

Wait...wait...Ayoo doan blame Burnham? 

Yes.  We blaming you now.

Good. Yuh lil honest at lease. 

Looks like broken promises by the apnu.  Now coalition supporters seek comfort in pointing out that the floods recede faster under the apnu.  They even dig up the 100 year flood in 2005 to make their point. 

The solution to the annual flooding starts at the origins of the water flow, the higher back lands.  Since the PNC days and into the PPP days, mismanagement of the natural water reserves and barriers have been destroyed.  Both the PPP and PNC are to blame, they applied a typical Indian and African development model, now they have a real shithole!

The Govt needs to create a few reservoirs and channel the water and contain it.  The water could then be released for farming and also let it seep slowly into the underground.

Reeper posted:

Looks like broken promises by the apnu.  Now coalition supporters seek comfort in pointing out that the floods recede faster under the apnu.  They even dig up the 100 year flood in 2005 to make their point. 

Listen, the flooding in Guyana is not an over night issue, it did not just happen.  Both the PNC and PPP have dirty hands here.  This will take a decade of sustained work to mitigate.  Simple BS and empty political talk ain't going to do it!

Labba posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Nehru posted:

HEHEHE Dem right to eat Labba Curry. Irfan in the Govt?? Am I back to the Future???

Is he saying that Irfaan is now with the PNC and should take responsibility for the flood??  I lost him at that word after Stupid Sk.........!

Wait...wait...Ayoo doan blame Burnham? 

The shithole started with him!

Below are excerpts of the comprehensive report issues by a Dutch team looking into causes and solutions to the Guyana flooding situation.  The full report (Jan 2016) is tagged at the end for those not suffering from ADHD.  I highlighted the last piece which indicates a positive attitude from the people on the ground.
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DRR-Team Mission Report - Guyana

Excerpts:

Considering the economic situation of Guyana and the relatively mild character of the flooding events under normal conditions, it is not recommended to consider new  large scale, expensive infrastructure. Instead, it is advised to take a large number of small steps over a period of several years that will increase the knowledge and the collective ownership of the drainage infrastructure among local experts, Guyanese governments, and the people of Guyana. By increasing trust, cooperation and local expertise Guyana can become a South-American example of effective and efficient water management...................

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Although the July-event was extreme, it was not an unusual situation for the low-lying areas of Guyana with typical topographic heights around Mean Sea Level (MSL). Floodings occurred many times in the past, as described in an article from Kandasammy (2006). For example, devastating floods occurred in 1934 when excessive rainfall flooded all low-lying coastal areas........................

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The city of Georgetown is drained by an interconnected network of open channels which discharge rainfall water into the ocean by a system of pumps or gravity-operated sluices (kokers). This system was originally developed to irrigate and drain the sugar plantations which occupied the land on which Georgetown now stands. Urbanization over the years had a large impact on the hydraulic functioning of the system as some channels were blocked and previously pervious surfaces were paved resulting in increased rates of runoff (less retention capacity)..........................

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Elements of the drainage system The current drainage system of Georgetown is based on the historic irrigation, transportation and drainage system, which was developed centuries ago for the sugar plantations..................................

Man-made and natural changes that influence conveyance capacity (m3/s)
In the last decades the basic drainage system has been modified as a result of the continuous urbanisation of Georgetown. Adjustments such as: - Filling in of drainage channels (artificial);
- Illegal construction;
- Concrete lining of drainage channels, leading to much less seepage of water into the soil (Figure 2.6);
- Tunnelling of drainage channels (especially along the Demerara River, so near the outfall structures as a result of industrial development along the riverside – Figures 2.7 and 2.8);
- Increased bridging of channels due to increased traffic, often reducing the flow with a culvert;
- Additional interconnection culverts between drainage areas; and
- Choking of water exits (mooring of ships in the outfall channel, sediment deposits)..............

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The original agricultural water management system is greatly influenced by residential development. Some former irrigation channels have been filled and changed into roads. Drainage channels get squeezed by housing that take more and more space; channels are narrowed, blocked or even filled (Figure 2.26 below). The team understands that the consequences of any of the developments on the water drainage systems have not been taken into account.........................

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In the Mahaica Mahaicony Abary conservancy area (Region 5) an infrastructure was created in the Eighties that could irrigate all rice fields with gravity flow. It is announced when the rainy season starts. If the announcement is there, farmers should secure their land, and if they don’t it gets flooded. If a farmer has finished his dry land preparation he will take in water to start wetland preparation. But if a neighbouring farmer is later and the early farmer opens the gate, then the land of the late farmer land is flooded too. Out of anger the late farmer may break the mechanism and gets out the water because he still needs to do the dry phase preparations. Then the wetland farmer is angry and he blocks it again. In this way, the farmers have destroyed most of the mechanisms and structures; of the 88 structures in that area, only 9 still have mechanisms to close and open the gates.  
 
With so many sluices destructed, a lot of water from the Mahaica Mahaicony Abary conservancy is lost because the water is flowing all the time. This compromises the resilience of the water conservancy seriously...............................
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There is no long term inspection and maintenance plan for existing drainage infrastructure and no overall future plan for the upgrading or reconstruction of watersheds. Instead there is a ‘wish list’ of smaller scale separate technical plans all over the country that NDIA has to approve and provide financial support for...................................
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Fortunately, no one complains that it is not in their job description to solve other organization’s problems. This cooperative attitude is something that should be preserved. However, a continuous crisis mode is exhausting and likely inefficient. A learning process should take place to reduce the number of crises over time....................................
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http://www.drrteam-dsswater.nl...n-_-rev2_1_final.pdf

FRAM MR BASEMAN POST:

The original agricultural water management system is greatly influenced by residential development. Some former irrigation channels have been filled and changed into roads. Drainage channels get squeezed by housing that take more and more space; channels are narrowed, blocked or even filled (Figure 2.26 below). The team understands that the consequences of any of the developments on the water drainage systems have not been taken into account.........................

Hey hey hey hey...de Labba was tellin dem dunce sk&^%ts dat foh dankey years. Yuh cyan mek housing scheme and full up de canal. But doh is what yuh get when coolie/black hustlers, pushers, huksters become Minista. Hey hey hey...

Mr Baseman right. Doh will tek a decade foh fix. Doh will tek nuff nuff nuff aile revenues foh fix. Hey hey hey...all because dem coolie/blackman hustlers, pushers, hucksters neglet am foh 40 years. Labba gat experience wid that dunce tug Hammie when he was Minista. Irfan dem and Robert dem continue de same. 

Hey hey hey...and Granger ge de dunce tug Hammie de highest national award...hey hey hey. 

Labba posted:

Mr Baseman right. Doh will tek a decade foh fix. Doh will tek nuff nuff nuff aile revenues foh fix. Hey hey hey...all because dem coolie/blackman hustlers, pushers, hucksters neglet am foh 40 years. Labba gat experience wid that dunce tug Hammie when he was Minista. Irfan dem and Robert dem continue de same. 

Start making houses with  sealed 55 gallon drums attached to them so they can float during the rainy season.

Guyanese are ingenious. 

ksazma posted:

Guyanese are ingenious. 

I saw this in use in Thailand with people living on floating houses!

Baseman posted:

Reeper posted:

Looks like broken promises by the apnu.  Now coalition supporters seek comfort in pointing out that the floods recede faster under the apnu.  They even dig up the 100 year flood in 2005 to make their point. 

Listen, the flooding in Guyana is not an over night issue, it did not just happen.  Both the PNC and PPP have dirty hands here.  This will take a decade of sustained work to mitigate.  Simple BS and empty political talk ain't going to do it!

When ppp was in power, it was considered an overnight issue by many for scoring political points. The many experts said that apnu would fix it so they must be held accountable. They even brought in a university team who gave advice after completing the study. Was the advice ever followed?

Reeper posted:

Baseman posted:

Reeper posted:

Looks like broken promises by the apnu.  Now coalition supporters seek comfort in pointing out that the floods recede faster under the apnu.  They even dig up the 100 year flood in 2005 to make their point. 

Listen, the flooding in Guyana is not an over night issue, it did not just happen.  Both the PNC and PPP have dirty hands here.  This will take a decade of sustained work to mitigate.  Simple BS and empty political talk ain't going to do it!

When ppp was in power, it was considered an overnight issue by many for scoring political points. The many experts said that apnu would fix it so they must be held accountable. They even brought in a university team who gave advice after completing the study. Was the advice ever followed?

Who considered it an overnight issue?  Flooding was increasingly for a long time.  And Guyana had always been flood prone.  The 2005 event was a watershed.  

I’ve always contended the flooding has origins in the Pnc development thrust of the early 70’s and continued under the PPP!

PNC and development are like ile and wata. 

ksazma posted:

PNC and development are like ile and wata. 

Wine down and sport up.

ksazma posted:

PNC and development are like ile and wata. 

Pnc had some good plans.  Racism, socialism and their active participation in interventions in Africa sent them upside down.  Today, the racism is still there!

Baseman posted:

Who considered it an overnight issue?  Flooding was increasingly for a long time.  And Guyana had always been flood prone.  The 2005 event was a watershed.  

I’ve always contended the flooding has origins in the Pnc development thrust of the early 70’s and continued under the PPP!

The guilty parties know who they are, their conscience will be their guide. 

The question again is what has the govt done with regard to the outcome of the Netherlands study?  Did they implement the recommendations from 2016?

RECOMMENDATIONS

After the extensive time that was spent in Georgetown for the execution of this project several recommendations were formulated. These focus mainly on the improvement of knowledge on the system and improving the capacity of knowledge based decision making. First some general recommendations will be given which apply to the whole drainage system

(9.1). Afterwards more in depth advices are formulated on the local drainage system

(9.2), primary drainage channels

(9.3) and outfall structures

(9.4). 9.1

General recommendations Some of the recommendations can be applied on all the three elements of the project. Therefore they are added separately below.

1. Upgrade modelling capacity in order to use model outcomes for knowledge based decision making to come up with the best measure to improve the drainage system.

2. Use the capacity at the University of Guyana to start building models of the city of Georgetown. Different catchment areas can easily be modelled during a graduation topic, and can subsequently be used in a larger model.

3. Assure that authorities take into account the effect on drainage whilst deciding on interventions in and around the drainage system to prevent negative effects of these interventions on the conveyance and discharge capacity.

4. Develop new mapping and information systems of Georgetown’s catchment areas. Make a sound analysis of interconnected areas between catchment areas. Identify culverts, siphons and channels between areas to get a complete overview. Map all these observations in one new general map of Georgetown and one map per catchment area.

5. Gather more information on the distribution of rainfall over space by using rainfall measurement stations spread around the city. The distribution of rainfall intensity over space can then be analysed and used in the modelling.

6. Most of the additional observations could be a direct consequence of a lack of awareness. This has already been treated extensively in the report written after the DRR mission of 2015 and was not a major subject of this project. However, it should be noted that whatever measure is taken, awareness of people for their drainage system is essential for successful implementation.

9.2 Local drainage system

A spreadsheet model was made of a specific catchment area in the local drainage system. Multiple

2. Since the current model assumes a flat system with no gradient, the influence of the natural slope of the wards is not taken into account. This should be done by measuring the surface elevations of the wards and implement it into the model.

3. The model should be improved by taking into account the overflow of banks in order to make the inundation predictions more accurately. The present model only works within the volume of the local channels. Once the water level reaches the maximum depth of the channels, the water level will keep on rising as it was contained by the initial channels.

4. Accurate rainfall data and storm cases are necessary. In this report a single design storm was determined. However it could be that other types of rain showers pose a higher load on the local drainage system. Therefore the rainfall analysis has to be evaluated with relevant stakeholders in order to find the most leading cases for local drainage systems.

5. Damages of floods need to be determined, both in terms of the economic and the social aspects. It is recommended that an additional socio-economical study is performed to investigate which damages are actually present.

6. The analysis with the developed model of catchment area 7 of the South-Ruimveldt area should be finished on short term. This can be done by including the costs for each measure into the model, and evaluate which measure to execute, taking into account costs, effectiveness and feasibility.

7. The analysis with the developed model should be extended to other zones of South-Ruimveldt. The following steps should be taken: - Make a full system analysis of each area to be included, including geometry (heights) and failure mechanisms - Determine the possible measures to improve drainage - Check the costs, feasibility and effectiveness of the possible measures with the calibrated spreadsheet model

9.3 Primary drainage channels

The analysis on the primary drainage channels mainly consisted of the development of a modelling approach for a catchment area in Georgetown. During the analysis the following recommendations were developed. They consist of recommendations for improving the example model of South-Ruimveldt (9.3.10) and of recommendations for implementing hydraulic modelling in other catchment areas (9.3.2). 9.3.1 Improve the existing model of South-Ruimveldt The model that was made on the catchment area South-Ruimveldt and consists of all steps needed to make a model which can be used to estimate the effect of different interventions. However, for further use or more accurate estimations the following recommendations are advised:

1. Expand geometric data of the most upstream part of the South-Ruimveldt channel. Furthermore, the geometric data (heights) of the connections between secondary and primary channels should be measured.

2. Implement the Liliendaal catchment area in the model. Currently, a basic assumption is made on the influence of the Liliendaal pump station on the South-Ruimveldt channel. This can be made more reliable by implementing the Liliendaal catchment area. 68

3. More calibration steps should be performed in order to make a more reliable model Especially calibration with measurements made during high discharge (4.3.4).

4. Execute sensitivity analyses after the model has been expanded. This can help verifying the strength of the basic assumptions that were made initially (4.3.3). 9.3.2 Implementation of model in other catchment areas The same approach that has been used in the catchment South-Ruimveldt can be used for other catchment areas as well.

The following recommendations are advised:

1. Set a clear goal for the model before the actual modelling starts. The making of a model is not a goal on itself. The goal can be to understand the system and find the weak spots. It can also be used to estimate the effect of possible interventions in the system.

2. Build the model in a structured manner. The first set up should be simple (steady flow) to get an idea of the system. After that a more complex model can be build (unsteady flow) and can be calibrated. More information can be found in the provided modelling manual with this report.

3. The user should be able to criticize the results. Exact data from the hydraulic models output might not be reliable and therefore the model might be more useful in comparing the effect of different interventions. In APPENDIX H a full plan was made for implementing the modelling approach in different catchment areas. In combination with the provided manual document this appendix can be used for the development of hydraulic models in other areas.

9.4 Outfall structures

During the project a structural assessment tool was made for the kokers in Georgetown along the Demerara river. Effective improvements on the structural design of the kokers should be the result of the use of the assessment tool. A couple of recommendations are given for improvement of this tool:

1. Gather data on the total lifespan of koker elements and implement these in the tool to improve the prediction of remaining lifespan.

2. Expand the tool by including missing elements like the wood works leading to the wing walls, steel beams and brick work elements.

3. Analyse the cost of replacements and maintenance and implement them in the current method to investigate the most cost effective improvements.

4. Consider the design of protective elements and cleaning of the koker door. This could result in an extended lifespan of the koker elements. This can be examined with the structural assessment tool.

5. Consider the tactically scheduling of maintenance in periods where the probability of failure is lowest (for instance during dry season). Take this into account while using the structural assessment tool.

ksazma posted:

Guyanese are ingenious. 

Calls for great balancing skills.

Reeper posted:

Baseman posted:

Who considered it an overnight issue?  Flooding was increasingly for a long time.  And Guyana had always been flood prone.  The 2005 event was a watershed.  

I’ve always contended the flooding has origins in the Pnc development thrust of the early 70’s and continued under the PPP!

The guilty parties know who they are, their conscience will be their guide. 

The question again is what has the govt done with regard to the outcome of the Netherlands study?  Did they implement the recommendations from 2016?

RECOMMENDATIONS

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And that's fair enough to ask the Coalition what have been done since the 2016 report.  They are accountable.  However, on the other hand, I have a question for you and the PPP.  Since the 2005 great floods, what studies have been initiated and actions taken to mitigate flooding between 2005 and 2015?