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Originally Posted by Kari:

Base, you must be told that the Iraq war was not a mistake i the heat of the 9/11 aftermath. It WAS decided before Bush took office in 2000 that the next Republican President will invade Iraq as the main plank in the "Defense of a new American Century". This is the seminal document of the Think Tank that will guide the Republicans in foreign affairs following the collapse of the Soviet Union and America as the lone standing super power with a huge gap with all other nations. Iraq was to be the domino in a region that the Republicans felt Clinton had made America weak. That's why you heard Obama in 2008 talking about showing the power of the American example rather than the example of American power.

 

What you must also know, Base, is that recovery from a financial crisis takes longer than other recoveries. The 2008 financial crisis also had the double whammy of the HOUSING crisis. Remember how the housing assets drove consumer spending and hence manufacturing and jobs? If yo examine the facts you will see that America is doing better than the curve in all previous financial crises - Japan in the 1990s and 2000s; Argentina in the last decade; and so on.

 

you also need to know Base, that jobs leaving American manufacturing is a phenomenon that started decades ago and accelerated under Bush.This is why you hear Obama talking about stuctural change in education and infrastructure and R & D. Remember that the biggest products in private industry came from the DoD and NASA

 

You also need to know, Base, that we have seen the entitlement society being larger than the productive society in recent years. Know too that unemployment insurance following the 2008 jobs destruction (a bipartisan effort) added to the federal deficit. And don't forget that public sector unemployment sucked some demand out of society and added to entitlement in the form of unemployment insurance.

 

 

Know also Base, that no American President faced a Congress that refuses to do business with it like the 2010 edition of the house of Representatives and the 2008 Senate.

 

Know also Base, that the tax policies and reduction in the entitlement have been tried before and failed. Know also Base, that the Clinton era tax rates - higher than under Obama - led to job growth and a booming economy (along with other factors like technology and peace time, of course).

 

So Base. tell me about moving the needle again?

As I said, Obama's spin Drs on overtime trying to fill in the empty chair.  Lots of analyses and excuses for the fact that there is little to show.  BTW, I do agree with a return to the Clinton era tax rates.  There are a couple of Obama's ideas and concepts which I actually agree with.

FM

Kari

 

I thought the Neocons strategy was called the "Project for the New American Century" and not "Defense of a new American Century".

 

Basenan

According to the Romney conception of the Bush tax break for the rich, that is the new normal. Taking it back to the Clinton era is a Tax increase!

 

Cain

The acceptance of ones ignorance is the beginning of understanding! Otherwise you simply celebrate it like Rev

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Kari:

You're just an Obama hater. You are itching to call him Uncle Tom, aren't you? You're a closet Romney admirer. Soon you'll be holding hands with the Rev Al

Say what you want Kari.  You my dear sir are to Obama what albert is to the PPP.  daily reprinting White House press releases.

 

 

 

And with blacks accounting for 13% of the vote in FL, 20% in VA and 23% in NC and Obama needing high black voter turnouts in all those states plus OH, continue to think that Obama doesnt need the black vote...and that you can insult this segment with your nonsensical Bill Cosby remark when Cosby was certainly NOT refering to that segment of the black population who own homes, work, or at least try to look for work, and who vote.  And especially when some of the pathologies that Bill complained about come close to the bone with him (drug addicted daughter and an out of wedlock child who he refused to help raise until embarrassed into doing so).

 


 

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
 Burnham let down blacks. 


So I take it that you think that Burnham was a great man who had love in his heart.

 

Hmmmmmm.    So why do you never say anything good about what he did for Guyana?

 

You support Romney so whats this about Obama?  If he has been ineffective in creating jobs, blacks who are the last hired and the first fired (even college educated blacks relative to their peers) will suffer most.

 

Please dont ry to pretend that Obama singled out blacks for special favor because I will ask you to prove it.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
 

Lastly, Obama does not need to do anything different during his second term. What he is doing now is moving us in the right direction.


Declining household incomes. Increasing poverty and food stamp dependency.  Declining labor force participation.  Increasing numbers of people who are in the long term unemployed and are fast becoming unemployable.  A reported 50% of the recent college graduates forced to take jobs that do not require college education, or are unemployed.

 

Excuse me but Obama in his second term will have to do things differently, and that includes figuring out how to get AROUND the uncooperative GOP in the House and Senate.

 

The USA cannot take another 4 years of this.

 

In his second debate Obama will have to articulate new ideas and will have to confront Romney's lies and silliness or else come election night he will be biting his finger nails hoping that blacks, Hispanics, college educated females, and young whites showed up to vote in the swing states.

 

Kari can say what he wants while he regurgitates White House press releases but Obama should have long put away a disgusting little fly like Romney who neither knows what to do, or even remembers what he said a few minutes ago.

 

Yet here we go again.  If a weak debate seems to have reduced his lead over Romney, as some polls indicate, then it shows how weak his support is.

 

And one must note that Obama is ESPECIALLY dependent on voter segments that have a history of being less interested in voting so motivating them is ESPECIALLY important.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:

 

 

 

Know also Base, that no American President faced a Congress that refuses to do business with it like the 2010 edition of the house of Representatives and the 2008 Senate.

 

 


Sorry Kari Clinton faced a very hostile GOP led by Newt Gringrich.

 

While Obama rolls over and whines Clinton actually did something about it.  So you forgot.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:

Now Miraver, Ksazma wrote things that are factual:

 

  • Romney's private firm movement of jobs overseas (nothing's wrong with this BTW and it is the way of the free market given the transparency that technology has brought)
  • Romney's money in foreign bank accounts to take advantage of the tax regime to not pay as much taxes as he would were the money repatriated to the America he so loves.
  • Being unable to understand that 47% of the American population who pay no Federal income tax (but pay payroll taxes and state taxes and house taxes, etc.) want work and are not interested in hand outs
  • Romney's etch-a-sketch trickery on the voters is well documented.

 

yes but Obama was asleep when 67 million Americans were listening to him and was not able to clearly articulate Romney's lies.

 

Example.  Ro0mney said that Obama will take $716B from Medicaid and that it will result in many health care providers refusing to accept more Medicare patients.   This being true by the way so toss your WH press release denying this fact.

 

BUT Obama did not tell the USA that Romney's party not only took the SAME AMOUNT from Medicare, but instead of re allocating it to the same providers to treat what will hopefully be currently uninsured patients, this reducing the costs of providing care,  it was going to go for TAX CUTS.

 

Wouldnt it have been fun to see Romney squirmn while trying to distance himself from what his buddy Ryan did, and then having to retrack this the next day.  No instead he was allowed to lie and then did a victory dance.

 

So Kari many of the undecided now think that Obama is as bad for Medicare as they suspect that Romney is....increasing the probability that they might not vote for either.

 

Kari you can print out all your WH press releases you wish but unless Obama  articulates some thing that will give the AMerican voters hope he risks a very narrow victory, or a loss.

 

Not only must the truth be actually true BUT people must be told this and if the only time Obama shows energy is when he is on the campaign trail preaching to the choir, who cares what is true or not.

 

Americans like boldness and those who project confidence.  Even if what pours out of their mouths is nonsense.  The change in polls, and SNL skits, should indicate that fact.

 


 

FM

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